A true christian - true Christian is a person who has put his or her faith and trust in the person of Jesus Christ and fact that He died on the cross as payment for sins and rose again on the third day to obtain victory over death and to give eternal life to all who believe in Him. John 1:12 tells us: “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name.” A true Christian is indeed a child of God, a part of God’s true family, and one who has been given new life in Christ. The mark of a true Christian is love for others and obedience to God’s Word (1 John 2:4; 1 John 2:10).
Follower of Christ
Do you believe you actually follow in the footsteps of Jesus??
Do you sin..but realize it was wrong and pray for forgiveness..and make sure you dont do it again??
OR
Do you sin and think...lookie at me..im saved..all I have to do is ask Jesus to forgive and the deed is done...offI go to sin again
Do you show hate towards ie gays??
Do you show hate towards other faiths??
Do you hate it when someone is with you does not believe in the same path as you?
OR Do you accept people for who they are, and respect them...IE - treating others how you wish to be treated
If on a forum chat site...do you...
Make threads so you can have a pop at other non Christians..and shove your beliefs in their face?
OR
Make threads to talk about your beliefs...and take in what others have to say, to try and come to some sort of understanding..share thoughts ???
How much do you think you follow in the footsteps of the all loving peacful and forviving Jesus??
Are you really aware of what Jesus was all about??
Do you ever look down your nose at other Christian..that don’t read a bible??
Do you look down at another Christian who doesn’t go to church??
What do you call a true follower of Christ??
Please note this is not aimed at anyone in particular....just wondered what some would say a true follower of Christ is..
Full Version: Are you a TRUE Christian?
Good post, BM, I would only add that being a follower of Christ does not make one perfect, so even those of us who truly seek a personal walk with God will get angry, and will do and say things we're not supposed to. You are right we should be loving and accepting of others just as Jesus did, but unlike Jesus who is perfect, we are not and often allow our human weaknesses to guide us instead of the Holy Spirit.
QUOTE(IamsSon @ Apr 19 2007, 12:10 AM) [snapback]1635943[/snapback]
Good post, BM, I would only add that being a follower of Christ does not make one perfect, so even those of us who truly seek a personal walk with God will get angry, and will do and say things we're not supposed to. You are right we should be loving and accepting of others just as Jesus did, but unlike Jesus who is perfect, we are not and often allow our human weaknesses to guide us instead of the Holy Spirit.
PERFFECT...you are a PERFECT example IAMS
I made a bm report on you in another thread..LMAO
IAMS...
IAMS knows how to follow Jesus
He never shows hate
He tries his best to explain himself and belief
He knows the bible is about love
He knows what Jesus was REALLY about
He shows compassion for his family and friends
If he comes accross a lil insulting....he will appologize..out of decency
He will practice his teachings from the bible, to the best of his ability
He will look forward to the coming of Jesus
He will NEVER bash anyone...
He believes in respect
He never makes threads to trap others
And he understand my beliefs...he may not agree with them...but he understands how compassionate I am with them...just like he is with his
HE is IAMS...the true christian..a true follower of christ
im not a christian but jesus forgave me
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Apr 18 2007, 02:17 PM) [snapback]1635778[/snapback]
A true christian - true Christian is a person who has put his or her faith and trust in the person of Jesus Christ and fact that He died on the cross as payment for sins and rose again on the third day to obtain victory over death and to give eternal life to all who believe in Him. John 1:12 tells us: “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name.” A true Christian is indeed a child of God, a part of God’s true family, and one who has been given new life in Christ. The mark of a true Christian is love for others and obedience to God’s Word (1 John 2:4; 1 John 2:10).
Follower of Christ
Follower of Christ
hmmmm.....I try to do the right thing as best I can, I try not to do the wrong things as best I can. But, I don't think actions are one of God's primary concerns. Heck it's almost as low as doctrine on God's priority list (IMO).
QUOTE(chemical-licker @ Apr 19 2007, 12:20 AM) [snapback]1635966[/snapback]
im not a christian but jesus forgave me
How do you know??
QUOTE(Jack-O-Lantern @ Apr 19 2007, 12:26 AM) [snapback]1635980[/snapback]
hmmmm.....I try to do the right thing as best I can, I try not to do the wrong things as best I can. But, I don't think actions are one of God's primary concerns. Heck it's almost as low as doctrine on God's priority list (IMO).
Well, when you stand at the gates of heaven....at least you can hold your head up and say - I tried lord..I gave it all I got
thats better than NOT trying at all
My dad always said to me...if you take a stab at something and in the end fail..at least you can say - hey look I tried.............no one can slam you for it
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Are you a TRUE Christian?
Not for about five years. I was born as a Catholic and brought up as one until I was around eleven, although I never felt like I truly believed any of it I still conformed to it. I appreciate the ideals it tries to teach, but it's not for me, I'm not going to live my life by something I can't believe.
...or was this thread for Christians only?
QUOTE(chemical-licker @ Apr 18 2007, 04:20 PM) [snapback]1635966[/snapback]
im not a christian but jesus forgave me
I am not a christian but i forgive jesus.
QUOTE(Raptor X7 @ Apr 19 2007, 12:29 AM) [snapback]1635986[/snapback]
Not for about five years. I was born as a Catholic and brought up as one until I was around eleven, although I never felt like I truly believed any of it I still conformed to it. I appreciate the ideals it tries to teach, but it's not for me, I'm not going to live my life by something I can't believe.
...or was this thread for Christians only?
...or was this thread for Christians only?
Yes christians only LMAO
Cuz only christian can truly answer
*kicks hyper out of thread*
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Apr 19 2007, 12:31 AM) [snapback]1635989[/snapback]
Cuz only christian can truly answer
Heh, well to be fair I can truly say I'm not a follower.
Though I do think it's impossible to define what a 'real' christian is, really just down to the sheer amount of different ways the bible can be interpreted.
QUOTE(hyperactive @ Apr 18 2007, 11:30 PM) [snapback]1635988[/snapback]
I am not a christian but i forgive jesus.
Forgave him for......
I don't consider myself a Christian or any Religion at all, however:
I think Jesus Christ was sent here to show us the way, in that I mean, he showed by example and some of the things that he said are easier said than done, hence why the Path is not an easy one - turning the other cheek can be difficult - it all depends what the other person has done for instance. Love thy neighbour is another - that can be really hard especially if they continually play their music so loud you can't sleep at 3am! lol
I sin as much as anyone else that's for sure, each time I feel remorse, try not to do it again, but of course, I fail. I learned a few years back never to bargain with God, I do something wrong, pray for forgiveness, promise I will never do that again and then end up breaking that promise - not good!
I don't hate gays, nor do I hate other religions - I DO, however, hate it when other religions are so dogmatic and rigid they try to impose themselves on me - that gets my goat!
I couldn't care less if someone believed the way I do, it makes for damned good conversation if they are different anyway lol.
I don't look down on anyone that doesn't read the Bible - strewth I don't read it myself!
I don't look down on anyone that doesn't go to Church - if I did I would be looking down at myself! LOL
As far as I am aware I haven't made threads to snipe at others or have a go at their beliefs.
Phew! I need a cuppa now!
I think Jesus Christ was sent here to show us the way, in that I mean, he showed by example and some of the things that he said are easier said than done, hence why the Path is not an easy one - turning the other cheek can be difficult - it all depends what the other person has done for instance. Love thy neighbour is another - that can be really hard especially if they continually play their music so loud you can't sleep at 3am! lol
I sin as much as anyone else that's for sure, each time I feel remorse, try not to do it again, but of course, I fail. I learned a few years back never to bargain with God, I do something wrong, pray for forgiveness, promise I will never do that again and then end up breaking that promise - not good!
I don't hate gays, nor do I hate other religions - I DO, however, hate it when other religions are so dogmatic and rigid they try to impose themselves on me - that gets my goat!
I couldn't care less if someone believed the way I do, it makes for damned good conversation if they are different anyway lol.
I don't look down on anyone that doesn't read the Bible - strewth I don't read it myself!
I don't look down on anyone that doesn't go to Church - if I did I would be looking down at myself! LOL
As far as I am aware I haven't made threads to snipe at others or have a go at their beliefs.
Phew! I need a cuppa now!
QUOTE(Raptor X7 @ Apr 19 2007, 12:39 AM) [snapback]1635998[/snapback]
Heh, well to be fair I can truly say I'm not a follower.
Though I do think it's impossible to define what a 'real' christian is, really just down to the sheer amount of different ways the bible can be interpreted.
Though I do think it's impossible to define what a 'real' christian is, really just down to the sheer amount of different ways the bible can be interpreted.
Every christian has their own ideas on what makes them a true christian
*kicks raptor out of thread lol*
QUOTE(Lotus Flower @ Apr 19 2007, 12:47 AM) [snapback]1636008[/snapback]
I don't hate gays, nor do I hate other religions - I DO, however, hate it when other religions are so dogmatic and rigid they try to impose themselves on me - that gets my goat!
I agree with you...I hate it when they try and impose themselves on me too....
at least with bugs there are pest sprays LMAO...
But IMO a true christian isnt going to impose themselves on to you
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There is that old saying "what would Jesus do?" I keep that in mind. When it comes down to being tested that is always my motto. Do what Jesus would have done! Would Jesus have done that? would he have said that? would he have hurt that person like that? Would he have lost his cool with that person? Would he have rejected that person b/c of that? These are the things I keep reminding myself of. He said To Love the Sinner, and not the Sin.
Unfortunately--We all fall short in the glory of God. Like I struggle with a temper, and anger-short fuse. It is our responsibility to control/ deal with our (own) problems. Criticize ourselves, not others. We can teach/talk about Jesus without condemning, preaching, pouncing, knocking folks in head, without criticizing, & we can do this with the same love, forgiveness that Jesus stood for.
For a Christian to TRULY represent, they must represent Jesus, and what he stood for. This starts off/ends in the heart, not in the bible, not in the church, in the heart, the spirit, the true (being.)
-Unconditional love for your brothers and sisters- Love them despite their problems, their beliefs, their ways, lifestyles, addictions, love them as Christ does. Love them regardless of their issues. We are humans, far from perfect, love them in the light of the holy spirit. It's there you have to look for it.
-I'm not gay, but my sister is gay, and I love her and accept HER all the same. I may not (Like) her lifestyle. But I love my sister. *& So be it. This should be our atttitude toward those we may not agree with or differ with. Love them as your brother and sister, truly.
-Who am I to say the Buddhist is wrong, or muslim? Am I special even more priviledged above even the angels in heaven to say such a thing to another person, to judge God's own creation? For the Angels do not even have the AUTHORITY to judge and ridicule! Who am I do such a thing?
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* I need to add too, it is a huge responsibility given to a person once they say they are Christian. To say this means you have given yourself up in Christ, stepped up to plate to represent him, & should be expected as a Christian to do just that, REPRESENT. This is a great responsibility. It is not easy, but a very difficult path to follow. *
There is that old saying "what would Jesus do?" I keep that in mind. When it comes down to being tested that is always my motto. Do what Jesus would have done! Would Jesus have done that? would he have said that? would he have hurt that person like that? Would he have lost his cool with that person? Would he have rejected that person b/c of that? These are the things I keep reminding myself of. He said To Love the Sinner, and not the Sin.
Unfortunately--We all fall short in the glory of God. Like I struggle with a temper, and anger-short fuse. It is our responsibility to control/ deal with our (own) problems. Criticize ourselves, not others. We can teach/talk about Jesus without condemning, preaching, pouncing, knocking folks in head, without criticizing, & we can do this with the same love, forgiveness that Jesus stood for.
For a Christian to TRULY represent, they must represent Jesus, and what he stood for. This starts off/ends in the heart, not in the bible, not in the church, in the heart, the spirit, the true (being.)
-Unconditional love for your brothers and sisters- Love them despite their problems, their beliefs, their ways, lifestyles, addictions, love them as Christ does. Love them regardless of their issues. We are humans, far from perfect, love them in the light of the holy spirit. It's there you have to look for it.
-I'm not gay, but my sister is gay, and I love her and accept HER all the same. I may not (Like) her lifestyle. But I love my sister. *& So be it. This should be our atttitude toward those we may not agree with or differ with. Love them as your brother and sister, truly.
-Who am I to say the Buddhist is wrong, or muslim? Am I special even more priviledged above even the angels in heaven to say such a thing to another person, to judge God's own creation? For the Angels do not even have the AUTHORITY to judge and ridicule! Who am I do such a thing?
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* I need to add too, it is a huge responsibility given to a person once they say they are Christian. To say this means you have given yourself up in Christ, stepped up to plate to represent him, & should be expected as a Christian to do just that, REPRESENT. This is a great responsibility. It is not easy, but a very difficult path to follow. *
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Apr 18 2007, 09:17 PM) [snapback]1635778[/snapback]
A true christian - true Christian is a person who has put his or her faith and trust in the person of Jesus Christ and fact that He died on the cross as payment for sins and rose again on the third day to obtain victory over death and to give eternal life to all who believe in Him. John 1:12 tells us: “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name.” A true Christian is indeed a child of God, a part of God’s true family, and one who has been given new life in Christ. The mark of a true Christian is love for others and obedience to God’s Word (1 John 2:4; 1 John 2:10).
Follower of Christ
Do you believe you actually follow in the footsteps of Jesus??
Do you sin..but realize it was wrong and pray for forgiveness..and make sure you dont do it again??
OR
Do you sin and think...lookie at me..im saved..all I have to do is ask Jesus to forgive and the deed is done...offI go to sin again
Do you show hate towards ie gays??
Do you show hate towards other faiths??
Do you hate it when someone is with you does not believe in the same path as you?
OR Do you accept people for who they are, and respect them...IE - treating others how you wish to be treated
If on a forum chat site...do you...
Make threads so you can have a pop at other non Christians..and shove your beliefs in their face?
OR
Make threads to talk about your beliefs...and take in what others have to say, to try and come to some sort of understanding..share thoughts ???
How much do you think you follow in the footsteps of the all loving peacful and forviving Jesus??
Are you really aware of what Jesus was all about??
Do you ever look down your nose at other Christian..that don’t read a bible??
Do you look down at another Christian who doesn’t go to church??
What do you call a true follower of Christ??
Please note this is not aimed at anyone in particular....just wondered what some would say a true follower of Christ is..
Follower of Christ
Do you believe you actually follow in the footsteps of Jesus??
Do you sin..but realize it was wrong and pray for forgiveness..and make sure you dont do it again??
OR
Do you sin and think...lookie at me..im saved..all I have to do is ask Jesus to forgive and the deed is done...offI go to sin again
Do you show hate towards ie gays??
Do you show hate towards other faiths??
Do you hate it when someone is with you does not believe in the same path as you?
OR Do you accept people for who they are, and respect them...IE - treating others how you wish to be treated
If on a forum chat site...do you...
Make threads so you can have a pop at other non Christians..and shove your beliefs in their face?
OR
Make threads to talk about your beliefs...and take in what others have to say, to try and come to some sort of understanding..share thoughts ???
How much do you think you follow in the footsteps of the all loving peacful and forviving Jesus??
Are you really aware of what Jesus was all about??
Do you ever look down your nose at other Christian..that don’t read a bible??
Do you look down at another Christian who doesn’t go to church??
What do you call a true follower of Christ??
Please note this is not aimed at anyone in particular....just wondered what some would say a true follower of Christ is..
Jesus said he didn't change one letter of the law. So to be a true Christian they have to believe all the rules in the Bible apply to them also.
Yeah, I agree with Mr. Jim up there ^, also would like to throw in the fruits of the Holy Spirit which are generally apparent, although not all the time, because the fruits showing themselves are dependent on how closely the person is choosing to walk next to Jesus at the time, and a lot of people go through rebellious phases where they walk further away and the fruits are less evident. The fruits of the Holy Spirit being, in part: Gentleness, unwillingness to be provoked to anger, love, patience, a desire to connect with people, concern for others, and an all-encompassing desire to show Jesus to the world.
Being a "true" Christian, well I could fill 20 pages with my opinion about that, but a big part of it is also submission to Christ, in order for Jesus to override the human strong will and be able to come through and shine for Himself.
Being concerned with the turmoil that a soul is in, but unwilling to change the message to soothe the ego of that person, is also a good sign, to me.
A desire to show everyone love, (even if you don't always succeed because you're human and flub stuff up sometimes)is a pretty good indicator.
Gotta go check my london broil in the oven but I am confident I will be coming back and editing.
Being a "true" Christian, well I could fill 20 pages with my opinion about that, but a big part of it is also submission to Christ, in order for Jesus to override the human strong will and be able to come through and shine for Himself.
Being concerned with the turmoil that a soul is in, but unwilling to change the message to soothe the ego of that person, is also a good sign, to me.
A desire to show everyone love, (even if you don't always succeed because you're human and flub stuff up sometimes)is a pretty good indicator.
Gotta go check my london broil in the oven but I am confident I will be coming back and editing.
QUOTE(LONELY_1 @ Apr 18 2007, 04:42 PM) [snapback]1636001[/snapback]
Forgave him for......
Only a person who deems a man a perfect god would need to ask!
i find it interesting that a non Christian is trying to give the definition of what a true Christian is...
it's almost as absurd as when women try to tell people what a real man is...
it's almost as absurd as when women try to tell people what a real man is...
why so phantum? a human may define a cow or a lion even though he/she is neither.
as far as i have experienced, many christians differ on how to define what a christian is or should be.
as far as i have experienced, many christians differ on how to define what a christian is or should be.
QUOTE(thaphantum @ Apr 19 2007, 02:10 AM) [snapback]1636114[/snapback]
i find it interesting that a non Christian is trying to give the definition of what a true Christian is...
it's almost as absurd as when women try to tell people what a real man is...
it's almost as absurd as when women try to tell people what a real man is...
I always thought men only care about what women think a real man is... on account of them trying to prove they're one primarily to impress women.
QUOTE(Shadow_Hill @ Apr 18 2007, 06:15 PM) [snapback]1636119[/snapback]
I always thought men only care about what women think a real man is... on account of them trying to prove they're one primarily to impress women.
lol... that may indeed be true... but i don't know any that really care... lol...
i'm just me... if girls like it fine... if they don't... i still don't care for the most part...
i've come to the conclusion that SOME women are rediculous... they stay with men that are a**holes and men who are abusive... but they pass up nice guys... lol..
what goes on in those types of women's minds?
all women have different definitions of what they think a real man is... so i just be me...
QUOTE(lil gremlin @ Apr 18 2007, 06:15 PM) [snapback]1636118[/snapback]
why so phantum? a human may define a cow or a lion even though he/she is neither.
as far as i have experienced, many christians differ on how to define what a christian is or should be.
as far as i have experienced, many christians differ on how to define what a christian is or should be.
that is 100% true... and at the same time 100% irrelevant to my statement...
a lion isn't defined by a set of beliefs... Christianity on the other hand is...
you are a Christian based on your beliefs... you can't be born that way...
a lion on the other hand, is born that way...
QUOTE(thaphantum @ Apr 19 2007, 02:24 AM) [snapback]1636138[/snapback]
that is 100% true... and at the same time 100% irrelevant to my statement...
a lion isn't defined by a set of beliefs... Christianity on the other hand is...
you are a Christian based on your beliefs... you can't be born that way...
a lion on the other hand, is born that way...
a lion isn't defined by a set of beliefs... Christianity on the other hand is...
you are a Christian based on your beliefs... you can't be born that way...
a lion on the other hand, is born that way...
the point was that we humans try to define what surrounds us, whether you think they are entitled to or not.
what about my second statement?
My hair dresser might know 
Jesus knows!
The rest of you will have to guess based on my words and actions.
Jesus knows!
The rest of you will have to guess based on my words and actions.
LOL
I dont think ill get in, i been bad fathur
I dont think ill get in, i been bad fathur
QUOTE(lil gremlin @ Apr 18 2007, 07:58 PM) [snapback]1636182[/snapback]
LOL
I dont think ill get in, i been bad fathur
I dont think ill get in, i been bad fathur
Its alright Dugan JR was a jerk, thats ya one freebee
Irish, you crack me up...... 
My baptism certificate states I'm an Orthodox Christian......
I only go to church Easter & Christmas (well I try to anyway) and have never read the bible.....
But I'm a law-abiding citizen who cares about people and always try and do my best to help out whenever I can......Probably I'm not defined as a true Christian but that's okay with me.....
I'll answer to whomever when my time comes.......
My baptism certificate states I'm an Orthodox Christian......
I only go to church Easter & Christmas (well I try to anyway) and have never read the bible.....
But I'm a law-abiding citizen who cares about people and always try and do my best to help out whenever I can......Probably I'm not defined as a true Christian but that's okay with me.....
I'll answer to whomever when my time comes.......
LOL 
Irish, that was the picture you had specially taken just for me, when I inducted you into the TOP SPOT on my sacred list of hot men. I even put you ahead of ERIK ESTRADA, for the love of pete. And now... you're just showing it to everyone... it makes me feel so cheap... and unspecial... lol you violated a special bond.
I need a big hug now. haha
But don't worry, you're still #1 on my list anyway.
How could you not be?
Irish, that was the picture you had specially taken just for me, when I inducted you into the TOP SPOT on my sacred list of hot men. I even put you ahead of ERIK ESTRADA, for the love of pete. And now... you're just showing it to everyone... it makes me feel so cheap... and unspecial... lol you violated a special bond. I need a big hug now. hahaBut don't worry, you're still #1 on my list anyway.
How could you not be?
QUOTE(thaphantum @ Apr 18 2007, 06:10 PM) [snapback]1636114[/snapback]
i find it interesting that a non Christian is trying to give the definition of what a true Christian is...
it's almost as absurd as when women try to tell people what a real man is...
it's almost as absurd as when women try to tell people what a real man is...
phantum many were christians and out grew the dogma for whatever reasons.... that qualifies one of expertise on the subject the best understanding comes from personal awareness....we are talking of something that is open to anyone ..the Nb's on here with the exceptioon of a very few have all been you imagine that Phantum...we have walked in your shoes..
QUOTE(Irish @ Apr 19 2007, 03:02 AM) [snapback]1636186[/snapback]
Its alright Dugan JR was a jerk, thats ya one freebee
cheers fathur, ill be a good boy *picks up axe* honest
QUOTE(texasgirlheather @ Apr 18 2007, 08:11 PM) [snapback]1636194[/snapback]
LOL Irish, that was the picture you had specially taken just for me, when I inducted you into the TOP SPOT on my sacred list of hot men. I even put you ahead of ERIK ESTRADA, for the love of pete. And now... you're just showing it to everyone... it makes me feel so cheap... and unspecial... lol you violated a special bond.
I need a big hug now. haha
But don't worry, you're still #1 on my list anyway. How could you not be?
Irish, that was the picture you had specially taken just for me, when I inducted you into the TOP SPOT on my sacred list of hot men. I even put you ahead of ERIK ESTRADA, for the love of pete. And now... you're just showing it to everyone... it makes me feel so cheap... and unspecial... lol you violated a special bond. I need a big hug now. hahaBut don't worry, you're still #1 on my list anyway.
How could you not be?Forgive me Heather; or I’ll have to turn to the DRINK, Ah! I think I’ll have a drink anyway.
God Bless ya all! even the one's that don't want it
Irish
Not only do I forgive you, I love ya more than I did before and I'll even buy you a drink... Ack it's that darn winsome charm of yours... I couldn't be mad if I wanted to.. 
*slides Irish a brew*
*slides Irish a brew*
QUOTE(Supra Sheri @ Apr 19 2007, 02:15 AM) [snapback]1636196[/snapback]
phantum many were christians and out grew the dogma for whatever reasons.... that qualifies one of expertise on the subject the best understanding comes from personal awareness....we are talking of something that is open to anyone ..the Nb's on here with the exceptioon of a very few have all been you imagine that Phantum...we have walked in your shoes..
i feel like i am walking into the lions den but here goes. i do not call myself a christian but many around me seem to think i am. i was very close to god at one time but i let the devil in just a bit and found myself not as close. so until i find myself back where i belong i just use the term believer. i love all people . i dont care if you are black or white, gay or straight. it makes no difference to me how you live. i think that all that is between you and your maker. i can take all the insults that are slung at the christins on here and laugh but there is one thing that i think should not be done because it makes me cringe when i see it. that is when someone calls god or jesus names.i have not been here long but i have not one time seen a christian call anyones figuehead names if you have one. you want us to have respect for how you believe and that is fine. i just feel like we should get the same in return and not be baited. if i am wrong i'm sorry. just my op
QUOTE(bumblesue @ Apr 19 2007, 03:35 AM) [snapback]1636217[/snapback]
i feel like i am walking into the lions den but here goes. i do not call myself a christian but many around me seem to think i am. i was very close to god at one time but i let the devil in just a bit and found myself not as close. so until i find myself back where i belong i just use the term believer. i love all people . i dont care if you are black or white, gay or straight. it makes no difference to me how you live. i think that all that is between you and your maker. i can take all the insults that are slung at the christins on here and laugh but there is one thing that i think should not be done because it makes me cringe when i see it. that is when someone calls god or jesus names.i have not been here long but i have not one time seen a christian call anyones figuehead names if you have one. you want us to have respect for how you believe and that is fine. i just feel like we should get the same in return and not be baited. if i am wrong i'm sorry. just my op
sorry bumblesue, i may be reading things wrong, but i dont think supra sheri called any deity names
her post seemed quite reasonable and sensitive. 
QUOTE(bumblesue @ Apr 18 2007, 07:35 PM) [snapback]1636217[/snapback]
i feel like i am walking into the lions den but here goes. i do not call myself a christian but many around me seem to think i am. i was very close to god at one time but i let the devil in just a bit and found myself not as close. so until i find myself back where i belong i just use the term believer. i love all people . i dont care if you are black or white, gay or straight. it makes no difference to me how you live. i think that all that is between you and your maker. i can take all the insults that are slung at the christins on here and laugh but there is one thing that i think should not be done because it makes me cringe when i see it. that is when someone calls god or jesus names.i have not been here long but i have not one time seen a christian call anyones figuehead names if you have one. you want us to have respect for how you believe and that is fine. i just feel like we should get the same in return and not be baited. if i am wrong i'm sorry. just my op
bumble, I was jsut letting phantum know that we come here to disuss and debate all of us are a family at the end of the day and i have the utmost respect for all peoples all walks of life...i don't beleive in gods or even jesus for that matter nor am i offended that you do..i allow you the freedom to express youself as i would want the same...i am never intending insults..you are a very sweet person no matter what you belive you have my respeect just for being human and breathing I require nothing of you except too be who you are,i will find my way.and I'm not easily offended......Bumble maybe adn not a command jsut a suggestion don't take things personal.. and I don't bite i hug (((HUGS)))
QUOTE(MUM24/7 @ Apr 19 2007, 02:07 AM) [snapback]1636191[/snapback]
Irish, you crack me up......
My baptism certificate states I'm an Orthodox Christian......
I only go to church Easter & Christmas (well I try to anyway) and have never read the bible.....
But I'm a law-abiding citizen who cares about people and always try and do my best to help out whenever I can......Probably I'm not defined as a true Christian but that's okay with me.....
I'll answer to whomever when my time comes.......
My baptism certificate states I'm an Orthodox Christian......
I only go to church Easter & Christmas (well I try to anyway) and have never read the bible.....
But I'm a law-abiding citizen who cares about people and always try and do my best to help out whenever I can......Probably I'm not defined as a true Christian but that's okay with me.....
I'll answer to whomever when my time comes.......
Once again Mum, i find myself agreeing with you! I only go to church at Christmas- as thats why we have Christmas, and it annoys me that children are taught about "santa" but not the reason why we have Christmas. I dont mean children should be preached and made to believe in God, but i think they should know why, not just because a man in a red suit comes. Same goes for easter. buts thats only my opinion.
I dont think i need to go to church to talk to God- i can do it anywhere.
I believe no one is "perfect" so no one can true classifiy themselves as a "true Chirstian" IMO because who hasnt made a mistake??
QUOTE(bumblesue @ Apr 19 2007, 02:35 AM) [snapback]1636217[/snapback]
i just use the term believer. i love all people . i dont care if you are black or white, gay or straight. it makes no difference to me how you live. i think that all that is between you and your maker.
Same...kinda!!!!
And phatom, i dont think beaky's mum was "defining" a "True Christian" she just asked everyone opinions of what it is and how they feel!
On the otherhand, i work with a girl who goes to the seven day advetist church, and she came in to work the other day telling me about these "extremists" who go to her church. They are very straight and narrow to put it, and one of their belifs is about the Cross. I know many Chirstians/ catholics/ belivers who wear the cross on a chain around their neck - i am one! But they say why would want to wear the muder weapon of Jesus Christ around your neck??
My response: so i can feel my connection and be remined every day why he died and what he went through....
Any other opinions???
QUOTE(Supra Sheri @ Apr 19 2007, 02:48 AM) [snapback]1636227[/snapback]
bumble, I was jsut letting phantum know that we come here to disuss and debate all of us are a family at the end of the day and i have the utmost respect for all peoples all walks of life...i don't beleive in gods or even jesus for that matter nor am i offended that you do..i allow you the freedom to express youself as i would want the same...i am never intending insults..you are a very sweet person no matter what you belive you have my respeect just for being human and breathing I require nothing of you except too be who you are,i will find my way.and I'm not easily offended......Bumble maybe adn not a command jsut a suggestion don't take things personal.. and I don't bite i hug (((HUGS)))
i am so sorry i didnt mean that for you. i just sent my reply to the wrong one. it was suppose to be by its self.lolol i 'm sorry sheri it was just in general
the late great bill hicks did some skit about the very same thing, if jesus returned do you think he would like to see another cross???
its like showing your love for kennedy by wearing a sniper's rifle trinket around your neck...
LOL
i personally have no feelings on the subject either way...i hear that for some christians the cross has other symbolic significance, and have even heard that it is a pre christian symbol.
did jesus adopt a fish symbol? or did that come later? would it be more appropriate? it seems yet another point of contention between denominations.
its like showing your love for kennedy by wearing a sniper's rifle trinket around your neck...
LOL
i personally have no feelings on the subject either way...i hear that for some christians the cross has other symbolic significance, and have even heard that it is a pre christian symbol.
did jesus adopt a fish symbol? or did that come later? would it be more appropriate? it seems yet another point of contention between denominations.
QUOTE(bumblesue @ Apr 18 2007, 07:58 PM) [snapback]1636240[/snapback]
i am so sorry i didnt mean that for you. i just sent my reply to the wrong one. it was suppose to be by its self.lolol i 'm sorry sheri it was just in general
((HUGS)) no worries my freind, i ddnt' take it personal amyways...
Do you believe you actually follow in the footsteps of Jesus?? I dont know enough about the teachings in the bible to know. But I do know I make my own path and dont try to follow foot steps which are long gone in the sand. Like all roads lead to rome.
Do you sin..but realize it was wrong and pray for forgiveness..and make sure you dont do it again?? I dont believe in sin really, only the perception of it which is the error. So to take out the wood means to not percieve the sin so much.
OR
Do you sin and think...lookie at me..im saved..all I have to do is ask Jesus to forgive and the deed is done...offI go to sin again I have never understood this thing about being saved. We are divine, so to think that needs saving is not putting faith into what you are. Holy and forever.
Do you show hate towards ie gays?? No
Do you show hate towards other faiths?? No
Do you hate it when someone is with you does not believe in the same path as you? No
OR Do you accept people for who they are, and respect them...IE - treating others how you wish to be treated Mostly yes but we all have our moments.
If on a forum chat site...do you...
Make threads so you can have a pop at other non Christians..and shove your beliefs in their face? No. And if my beliefs offend some christians thats not really my fault. My beliefs just are.
OR
Make threads to talk about your beliefs...and take in what others have to say, to try and come to some sort of understanding..share thoughts ???[/quote] I rarely make threads..
How much do you think you follow in the footsteps of the all loving peacful and forviving Jesus?? Well to be honest I have never met Jesus or read the bible so I dont know, but I am quite forgiving especially of the peope who mostly need it. Anotherwords I can forgive the ones who everyone else just wishes death upon so imo I think I am quite forgiving and loving in that way. Anotherwords you wont see me ever being pro capital punishment where I seem to see quite alot of 'christians' who are. Which makes me wonder. Like if Jesus was all about forgivness and love thy neighbor then what do you do when the neighbor for 20yrs kills his wife and children in a moment of anger and sin. I mean do we then give him the death penatly because of that moment in time or do we stick to the main rules of His teachings?
Are you really aware of what Jesus was all about?? Maybe... I'm not sure what you mean by this... maybe you could tell us what Jesus was really about?
Do you ever look down your nose at other Christian..that don’t read a bible?? Well I've never read it so I cant. I read A Course In Miracles instead which is apart of why I dont believe in capital punishement for example.
Do you look down at another Christian who doesn’t go to church?? I have never really been to church so again I cant.
What do you call a true follower of Christ?? I dont know.
Please note this is not aimed at anyone in particular....just wondered what some would say a true follower of Christ is.. Of course..
Sorry to answer it all like that.. it was just easier for me. Anyway can I ask... does a true Christian believe and support the death penalty?
Do you sin..but realize it was wrong and pray for forgiveness..and make sure you dont do it again?? I dont believe in sin really, only the perception of it which is the error. So to take out the wood means to not percieve the sin so much.
OR
Do you sin and think...lookie at me..im saved..all I have to do is ask Jesus to forgive and the deed is done...offI go to sin again I have never understood this thing about being saved. We are divine, so to think that needs saving is not putting faith into what you are. Holy and forever.
Do you show hate towards ie gays?? No
Do you show hate towards other faiths?? No
Do you hate it when someone is with you does not believe in the same path as you? No
OR Do you accept people for who they are, and respect them...IE - treating others how you wish to be treated Mostly yes but we all have our moments.
If on a forum chat site...do you...
Make threads so you can have a pop at other non Christians..and shove your beliefs in their face? No. And if my beliefs offend some christians thats not really my fault. My beliefs just are.
OR
Make threads to talk about your beliefs...and take in what others have to say, to try and come to some sort of understanding..share thoughts ???[/quote] I rarely make threads..
How much do you think you follow in the footsteps of the all loving peacful and forviving Jesus?? Well to be honest I have never met Jesus or read the bible so I dont know, but I am quite forgiving especially of the peope who mostly need it. Anotherwords I can forgive the ones who everyone else just wishes death upon so imo I think I am quite forgiving and loving in that way. Anotherwords you wont see me ever being pro capital punishment where I seem to see quite alot of 'christians' who are. Which makes me wonder. Like if Jesus was all about forgivness and love thy neighbor then what do you do when the neighbor for 20yrs kills his wife and children in a moment of anger and sin. I mean do we then give him the death penatly because of that moment in time or do we stick to the main rules of His teachings?
Are you really aware of what Jesus was all about?? Maybe... I'm not sure what you mean by this... maybe you could tell us what Jesus was really about?
Do you ever look down your nose at other Christian..that don’t read a bible?? Well I've never read it so I cant. I read A Course In Miracles instead which is apart of why I dont believe in capital punishement for example.
Do you look down at another Christian who doesn’t go to church?? I have never really been to church so again I cant.
What do you call a true follower of Christ?? I dont know.
Please note this is not aimed at anyone in particular....just wondered what some would say a true follower of Christ is.. Of course..
Sorry to answer it all like that.. it was just easier for me. Anyway can I ask... does a true Christian believe and support the death penalty?
QUOTE(aussiemermaid @ Apr 19 2007, 12:48 PM) [snapback]1636230[/snapback]
Once again Mum, i find myself agreeing with you! I know many Chirstians/ catholics/ belivers who wear the cross on a chain around their neck - i am one! But they say why would want to wear the muder weapon of Jesus Christ around your neck??
My response: so i can feel my connection and be remined every day why he died and what he went through....
Any other opinions???
My response: so i can feel my connection and be remined every day why he died and what he went through....
Any other opinions???
Thanks matey
As far as the cross goes, when we Orthodox Christians are baptised, our godfather/mother gives us one at the church ceremony and it symbolises our inclusion in the Christian faith......Some people wear it, some don't......I don't see it as a symbol of Jesus' murder but rather as you said, a reminder of his love for us through his sacrifice......
I'll tell you what aussiemermaid, some people are so uptight and rigid in their thinking......
QUOTE(thaphantum @ Apr 19 2007, 01:10 AM) [snapback]1636114[/snapback]
i find it interesting that a non Christian is trying to give the definition of what a true Christian is...
it's almost as absurd as when women try to tell people what a real man is...
it's almost as absurd as when women try to tell people what a real man is...
Usually when women are saying what a real man is, they are defining it as what they would want a man to be in relation to them, and their limited understanding of what is involved in being a man. IOW, they are picturing a real man as something that is beneficial to them, only seeing the man in those terms, and not really appreciating what is involved in being a man. Failure to appreciate the big picture, or at least account for the fact that there are aspects of the big picture that aren't all about her.
A lot (not all but a lot) of women will say that a real man is someone who has a job, doesn't run around on her, takes care of the bills and the kids, and takes care of all of her needs. That is what she wants the man to be, that is most likely all she cares about the man being, and it's not really taking into consideration the nature of manhood, and other things that are involved that don't all directly relate to her and how she benefits. Her vision is not neccesarily the sum total of everything involved in being a real man, it's just what she thinks he should be because she is really just thinking about his "function" as to how it relates to her. All of those things are part of being a good man, but not the whole enchilada. There is more, I am sure, but she stops seeing at the point where it stops being about her. Most women think a man should check in with her before he does anything to make sure she approves first. If what he is planning on doing doesn't make sense to her because she does not immediately see the benefit of it, she will often become hostile and withdrawn and remove herself from the relationship in some small (hmmm... or large) way emotionally.
Make of that metaphor what you will ^.
QUOTE(Kazahel @ Apr 18 2007, 08:10 PM) [snapback]1636252[/snapback]
Do you believe you actually follow in the footsteps of Jesus?? I dont know enough about the teachings in the bible to know. But I do know I make my own path and dont try to follow foot steps which are long gone in the sand. Like all roads lead to rome.
Do you sin..but realize it was wrong and pray for forgiveness..and make sure you dont do it again?? I dont believe in sin really, only the perception of it which is the error. So to take out the wood means to not percieve the sin so much.
OR
Do you sin and think...lookie at me..im saved..all I have to do is ask Jesus to forgive and the deed is done...offI go to sin again I have never understood this thing about being saved. We are divine, so to think that needs saving is not putting faith into what you are. Holy and forever.
Do you show hate towards ie gays?? No
Do you show hate towards other faiths?? No
Do you hate it when someone is with you does not believe in the same path as you? No
OR Do you accept people for who they are, and respect them...IE - treating others how you wish to be treated Mostly yes but we all have our moments.
If on a forum chat site...do you...
Make threads so you can have a pop at other non Christians..and shove your beliefs in their face? No. And if my beliefs offend some christians thats not really my fault. My beliefs just are.
OR
Make threads to talk about your beliefs...and take in what others have to say, to try and come to some sort of understanding..share thoughts ??? I rarely make threads..
How much do you think you follow in the footsteps of the all loving peacful and forviving Jesus?? Well to be honest I have never met Jesus or read the bible so I dont know, but I am quite forgiving especially of the peope who mostly need it. Anotherwords I can forgive the ones who everyone else just wishes death upon so imo I think I am quite forgiving and loving in that way. Anotherwords you wont see me ever being pro capital punishment where I seem to see quite alot of 'christians' who are. Which makes me wonder. Like if Jesus was all about forgivness and love thy neighbor then what do you do when the neighbor for 20yrs kills his wife and children in a moment of anger and sin. I mean do we then give him the death penatly because of that moment in time or do we stick to the main rules of His teachings?
Are you really aware of what Jesus was all about?? Maybe... I'm not sure what you mean by this... maybe you could tell us what Jesus was really about?
Do you ever look down your nose at other Christian..that don’t read a bible?? Well I've never read it so I cant. I read A Course In Miracles instead which is apart of why I dont believe in capital punishement for example.
Do you look down at another Christian who doesn’t go to church?? I have never really been to church so again I cant.
What do you call a true follower of Christ?? I dont know.
Please note this is not aimed at anyone in particular....just wondered what some would say a true follower of Christ is.. Of course..
Sorry to answer it all like that.. it was just easier for me. Anyway can I ask... does a true Christian believe and support the death penalty?
Do you sin..but realize it was wrong and pray for forgiveness..and make sure you dont do it again?? I dont believe in sin really, only the perception of it which is the error. So to take out the wood means to not percieve the sin so much.
OR
Do you sin and think...lookie at me..im saved..all I have to do is ask Jesus to forgive and the deed is done...offI go to sin again I have never understood this thing about being saved. We are divine, so to think that needs saving is not putting faith into what you are. Holy and forever.
Do you show hate towards ie gays?? No
Do you show hate towards other faiths?? No
Do you hate it when someone is with you does not believe in the same path as you? No
OR Do you accept people for who they are, and respect them...IE - treating others how you wish to be treated Mostly yes but we all have our moments.
If on a forum chat site...do you...
Make threads so you can have a pop at other non Christians..and shove your beliefs in their face? No. And if my beliefs offend some christians thats not really my fault. My beliefs just are.
OR
Make threads to talk about your beliefs...and take in what others have to say, to try and come to some sort of understanding..share thoughts ??? I rarely make threads..
How much do you think you follow in the footsteps of the all loving peacful and forviving Jesus?? Well to be honest I have never met Jesus or read the bible so I dont know, but I am quite forgiving especially of the peope who mostly need it. Anotherwords I can forgive the ones who everyone else just wishes death upon so imo I think I am quite forgiving and loving in that way. Anotherwords you wont see me ever being pro capital punishment where I seem to see quite alot of 'christians' who are. Which makes me wonder. Like if Jesus was all about forgivness and love thy neighbor then what do you do when the neighbor for 20yrs kills his wife and children in a moment of anger and sin. I mean do we then give him the death penatly because of that moment in time or do we stick to the main rules of His teachings?
Are you really aware of what Jesus was all about?? Maybe... I'm not sure what you mean by this... maybe you could tell us what Jesus was really about?
Do you ever look down your nose at other Christian..that don’t read a bible?? Well I've never read it so I cant. I read A Course In Miracles instead which is apart of why I dont believe in capital punishement for example.
Do you look down at another Christian who doesn’t go to church?? I have never really been to church so again I cant.
What do you call a true follower of Christ?? I dont know.
Please note this is not aimed at anyone in particular....just wondered what some would say a true follower of Christ is.. Of course..
Sorry to answer it all like that.. it was just easier for me. Anyway can I ask... does a true Christian believe and support the death penalty?
K. i also read a course in miracles...great read....
QUOTE(texasgirlheather @ Apr 19 2007, 04:37 AM) [snapback]1636280[/snapback]
Usually when women are saying what a real man is, they are defining it as what they would want a man to be in relation to them, and their limited understanding of what is involved in being a man. IOW, they are picturing a real man as something that is beneficial to them, only seeing the man in those terms, and not really appreciating what is involved in being a man. Failure to appreciate the big picture, or at least account for the fact that there are aspects of the big picture that aren't all about her.
A lot (not all but a lot) of women will say that a real man is someone who has a job, doesn't run around on her, takes care of the bills and the kids, and takes care of all of her needs. That is what she wants the man to be, that is most likely all she cares about the man being, and it's not really taking into consideration the nature of manhood, and other things that are involved that don't all directly relate to her and how she benefits. Her vision is not neccesarily the sum total of everything involved in being a real man, it's just what she thinks he should be because she is really just thinking about his "function" as to how it relates to her. All of those things are part of being a good man, but not the whole enchilada. There is more, I am sure, but she stops seeing at the point where it stops being about her. Most women think a man should check in with her before he does anything to make sure she approves first. If what he is planning on doing doesn't make sense to her because she does not immediately see the benefit of it, she will often become hostile and withdrawn and remove herself from the relationship in some small (hmmm... or large) way emotionally.
Make of that metaphor what you will ^.
A lot (not all but a lot) of women will say that a real man is someone who has a job, doesn't run around on her, takes care of the bills and the kids, and takes care of all of her needs. That is what she wants the man to be, that is most likely all she cares about the man being, and it's not really taking into consideration the nature of manhood, and other things that are involved that don't all directly relate to her and how she benefits. Her vision is not neccesarily the sum total of everything involved in being a real man, it's just what she thinks he should be because she is really just thinking about his "function" as to how it relates to her. All of those things are part of being a good man, but not the whole enchilada. There is more, I am sure, but she stops seeing at the point where it stops being about her. Most women think a man should check in with her before he does anything to make sure she approves first. If what he is planning on doing doesn't make sense to her because she does not immediately see the benefit of it, she will often become hostile and withdrawn and remove herself from the relationship in some small (hmmm... or large) way emotionally.
Make of that metaphor what you will ^.
omg heather you are truely THE most enlightened female around.
for you, texas heather,
as shania twain put it:
This is what a woman wants...
Any man of mine better be proud of me
Even when I'm ugly he still better love me
And I can be late for a date that's fine
But he better be on time
Any man of mine'll say it fits just right
When last year's dress is just a little too tight
And anything I do or say better be okay
When I have a bad hair day
And if I change my mind
A million times
I wanna hear him say
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah I like that way
Chorus:
Any man of mine better walk the line
Better show me a teasin' squeezin' pleasin' kinda time
I need a man who knows, how the story goes
He's gotta be a heartbeatin' fine treatin'
Breathtakin' earthquakin' kind
Any man of mine
Well any man of mine better disagree
When I say another woman's lookin' better than me
And when I cook him dinner and I burn it black
He better say, mmm, I like it like that yeah
And if I change my mind
A million times
I wanna hear him say
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I like it that way
as shania twain put it:
This is what a woman wants...
Any man of mine better be proud of me
Even when I'm ugly he still better love me
And I can be late for a date that's fine
But he better be on time
Any man of mine'll say it fits just right
When last year's dress is just a little too tight
And anything I do or say better be okay
When I have a bad hair day
And if I change my mind
A million times
I wanna hear him say
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah I like that way
Chorus:
Any man of mine better walk the line
Better show me a teasin' squeezin' pleasin' kinda time
I need a man who knows, how the story goes
He's gotta be a heartbeatin' fine treatin'
Breathtakin' earthquakin' kind
Any man of mine
Well any man of mine better disagree
When I say another woman's lookin' better than me
And when I cook him dinner and I burn it black
He better say, mmm, I like it like that yeah
And if I change my mind
A million times
I wanna hear him say
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I like it that way
QUOTE(texasgirlheather @ Apr 19 2007, 04:37 AM) [snapback]1636280[/snapback]
Usually when women are saying what a real man is, they are defining it as what they would want a man to be in relation to them, and their limited understanding of what is involved in being a man. IOW, they are picturing a real man as something that is beneficial to them, only seeing the man in those terms, and not really appreciating what is involved in being a man. Failure to appreciate the big picture, or at least account for the fact that there are aspects of the big picture that aren't all about her.
A lot (not all but a lot) of women will say that a real man is someone who has a job, doesn't run around on her, takes care of the bills and the kids, and takes care of all of her needs. That is what she wants the man to be, that is most likely all she cares about the man being, and it's not really taking into consideration the nature of manhood, and other things that are involved that don't all directly relate to her and how she benefits. Her vision is not neccesarily the sum total of everything involved in being a real man, it's just what she thinks he should be because she is really just thinking about his "function" as to how it relates to her. All of those things are part of being a good man, but not the whole enchilada. There is more, I am sure, but she stops seeing at the point where it stops being about her. Most women think a man should check in with her before he does anything to make sure she approves first. If what he is planning on doing doesn't make sense to her because she does not immediately see the benefit of it, she will often become hostile and withdrawn and remove herself from the relationship in some small (hmmm... or large) way emotionally.
Make of that metaphor what you will ^.
A lot (not all but a lot) of women will say that a real man is someone who has a job, doesn't run around on her, takes care of the bills and the kids, and takes care of all of her needs. That is what she wants the man to be, that is most likely all she cares about the man being, and it's not really taking into consideration the nature of manhood, and other things that are involved that don't all directly relate to her and how she benefits. Her vision is not neccesarily the sum total of everything involved in being a real man, it's just what she thinks he should be because she is really just thinking about his "function" as to how it relates to her. All of those things are part of being a good man, but not the whole enchilada. There is more, I am sure, but she stops seeing at the point where it stops being about her. Most women think a man should check in with her before he does anything to make sure she approves first. If what he is planning on doing doesn't make sense to her because she does not immediately see the benefit of it, she will often become hostile and withdrawn and remove herself from the relationship in some small (hmmm... or large) way emotionally.
Make of that metaphor what you will ^.
Blimey... all I want in a man is a cute bum.
Am I a true Christian?
I want to be. I really do. I think that the example Jesus set is just too worthy to ignore it, for me at least, and... dude, this is hard for me to express it in just words that a complete stranger will read, but... I wanna be like him. There, I said it. Maybe it's one of the reasons I do what I do to help others. Things can't just be just words and blablabla. With the mouth I can be the best dude in the whole word, but it's in the actions where you really show who you are.
Do I manage to be it the whole time? Nope, I f*** up all the time. I can be pretty rude when I want to, very mean especially to those closest around me (something you can't see here because, like this isn't my home-tongue -is that how it's said-, I gotta think my words a bit more, which doesn't stop me from being owned by BM), without counting the fact that I've got a VERY short-fuse temper and be very stubborn (not all the time, but most of it). And whiny- specially when I'm studying and repeating to myself how I hate Engineering- which I do- and feeling sorry for myself.
Obviously my whole person is not only reduced to bad points, there are some very good things about me too- just like everyone else here - but the whole point is that even when I try to be the best I can, I do mistakes. But that won't stop me from trying, and trying, and trying, and then some more
I want to be. I really do. I think that the example Jesus set is just too worthy to ignore it, for me at least, and... dude, this is hard for me to express it in just words that a complete stranger will read, but... I wanna be like him. There, I said it. Maybe it's one of the reasons I do what I do to help others. Things can't just be just words and blablabla. With the mouth I can be the best dude in the whole word, but it's in the actions where you really show who you are.
Do I manage to be it the whole time? Nope, I f*** up all the time. I can be pretty rude when I want to, very mean especially to those closest around me (something you can't see here because, like this isn't my home-tongue -is that how it's said-, I gotta think my words a bit more, which doesn't stop me from being owned by BM
), without counting the fact that I've got a VERY short-fuse temper and be very stubborn (not all the time, but most of it). And whiny- specially when I'm studying and repeating to myself how I hate Engineering- which I do- and feeling sorry for myself.Obviously my whole person is not only reduced to bad points, there are some very good things about me too- just like everyone else here
- but the whole point is that even when I try to be the best I can, I do mistakes. But that won't stop me from trying, and trying, and trying, and then some more
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Do you believe you actually follow in the footsteps of Jesus?? I believe that I make the best effort, most of the time, that I can, to FOLLOW HIS EXAMPLE TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY. I will never walk in His footsteps any more than a toddler can walk in an adult's footsteps, but I can see Him ahead as the light at the end of the tunnel and I just try to keep my eye on the light.
Do you sin..but realize it was wrong and pray for forgiveness..and make sure you dont do it again?? When I realize that I have sinned; and sometimes it takes a minute for me to catch on lol because I can be blinded by my own human conditions, like anger, envy, pride, and lust, and get caught up in a pattern of justifying my behavior by human reasoning patterns instead of giving it to Him to forgive and bless; I do pray for forgiveness. I ask for guidance on how to stay out of that situation again, I ask for the strength to follow that guidance, I ask for Jesus to light my way and show me how to avoid it. Following that guidance is up to me. I will have a sinful, rebellious nature until the day that I die, and despite my best intentions, I will never stop sinning. Not because I don't have a heart to stop sinning, but because it is impossible given my human nature.
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Do you sin and think...lookie at me..im saved..all I have to do is ask Jesus to forgive and the deed is done...offI go to sin again No because my relationship with Him is more intimate than that. When I try to lie to Him, it only is self-defeating, because it creates more distance. An unconfessed sin is the last thing I want hanging in the air between me and Him. If I had a husband, and I knew he knew I did something (lol like spent too much money on shoes), but I was sitting at the table with him eating dinner trying to talk about a newspaper article or something, playing it like I thought he didn't know, I would just be making the situation worse by the minute. He would lose his trust in me if I did stuff like that and tried to hide it from him, and it would ruin some of the joy in our relationship. The situation would snowball into something worse. God kind of already knows that I'm an idiot sometimes, and the one thing He expects is for me to be straight with Him and get His help in correcting it. I have far too much personal respect for my Father to not confess sin. It is a vital part of my relationship with Him, being straight-up about everything. I say all this because asking fake forgiveness is the same as saying you didn't do anything wrong, to me. Why bother if it's fake? God knows it's fake. If I'm faking asking forgiveness, and He knows it (and He always knows it) then it's the same unresolved issue it was before I asked for my fake forgiveness. In fact, it is now a worse issue between me and Him because I am working on the assumption that the sin is forgiven, but it is still there doing damage in my life! And He saw me lie to Him after all He's done for me!
Do you show hate towards ie gays?? I do not show hate to the person, ever, nor do I even have hate to show to anyone, but if asked I will share my beliefs about it. Hate and disagreement are different.
Do you show hate towards other faiths?? Same answer as last one.
Do you hate it when someone is with you does not believe in the same path as you? No. I don't need to be surrounded by people who are just like me. I am entirely comfortable having friends who are not like-minded, and most of my friends actually, do not believe what I believe. I can find common ground and talk to anyone. And I don't talk about my faith all day long. lol I can find other things to talk about.
OR Do you accept people for who they are, and respect them...IE - treating others how you wish to be treated
This is a loaded question, because I do not feel that I have to accept their beliefs, but I will listen to them talk about them without being hostile or "preachy," I will ask questions about them, etc... I am willing to explore other peoples' beliefs with them, not because I intend to agree with them or accept those beliefs myself, but to learn more about the person, and help them organize their thoughts, if that's what they are looking for. Everyone wants to discuss things, I know that part of being human is to talk about what other people believe. So, yes, I treat people with respect, when I am disagreeing with them. God tells me in the Bible that He made each one of us personally, and that tells me that everyone is cherished and He expects me to treat His other children with respect. I would expect to have to answer to Him if I didn't. When one of my children is rude to the other one, they are accountable to me for it, and I don't tolerate it out of either one of them.
If on a forum chat site...do you...
Make threads so you can have a pop at other non Christians..and shove your beliefs in their face? lol no I really don't make threads. But I participate in conversation so that I can find out what others are thinking/believing, participate in debate, clear up misunderstandings about my belief, and make friends. This is actually the first discussion/forum whatever I have ever belonged to or participated in, except for Allure magazine, and I only go there for tips about beauty treatments and new products. But as far as taking pops at people, no that is really not my intention or my starting out point. That is not my goal.
OR
Make threads to talk about your beliefs...and take in what others have to say, to try and come to some sort of understanding..share thoughts ??? Yes sharing thoughts is what I would call it, also satisfying curiosity about what is going on with other beliefs.
How much do you think you follow in the footsteps of the all loving peacful and forviving Jesus?? I think I follow fairly well in the type of following that He left for me to do, which should not be confused with living up to or copying His perfection. He asks us to live in a way that reflects Him and lets Him work through us, He wants us to put our ego aside seek His plan for us every day. He's got a mission for us every single day, and He needs our acceptance of His leadership. He does not ask us to BE Him or be perfect all on our own, in some kind of human imitation. If people think that we think we are just like Him, I can see why people are always trying to point out our imperfections as if to say, "Nanee nanee you're not perfect after all." lol It was never intended that just out of desire to be like Him we could ever simply put on His perfection; rather, the goal is to put our human shortcomings aside and allow Him to lead. I don't understand if you are trying to ask if I think I am as all loving, peaceful and forgiving as He is, because the anser is definitely no. A major misconception and cause for bitterness among NBs, is that we think we are as good as He is. All the time, people make snide comments, "Do you think you are really as good as He is?" and such. I don't understand the point, but it is based on a misunderstanding of Christianity. We do not think that we are as good as He is, we just strive to emulate Him as much as we can by submitting to His leadership. Human nature will always be running interference, so we never have a hope of being perfect.
Are you really aware of what Jesus was all about?? lol the tone of that question implies that the asker knows better. This is one of those things that non-believers ask to try to trip us up, because they are lying in wait to say, "NU-UH, it's not that, it's THIS (insert popular misconception)!!!!!!! I know that He was all about many things. And I look for His final say on all issues in my life. I have Him to tell me what He's all about.
Do you ever look down your nose at other Christian..that don’t read a bible?? I don't look down my nose at anyone, but if someone chooses to take my correction of their misunderstanding of a Biblical verse, as looking down my nose, I've really got no control over that.
Do you look down at another Christian who doesn’t go to church?? No. People are not accountable to me, but to God. I do not expect my family to be perfect. We all are going to be having shortcomings at some point and in some area of our lives. No one is going to have it all going on perfectly at the same time. lol I would probably get more annoyed if they did. Perfect people are annoying... and not fun.
What do you call a true follower of Christ?? Someone who makes it a point to seek the will of God for their daily life, makes sacrifice an ingrained part of their life (time spent in prayer is sacrifice because we could be doing funner things, money donated to missionaries/charities is sacrifice, putting aside ego to follow what God would have him do in a situation is a sacrifice), someone who makes Jesus a member of their life not just a guy in a story, someone who puts His principles to work in his life, someone who gives Christ dominion over him and submits to God's plan for his finances, love/marriage life, raising of children, etc... all major things, and someone who prays and seeks God's will for their daily activities. In other words, lives each day to see where God would have him go, and doing the work that God gives him, fearlessly and cheerfully. Someone who listens for God's voice keeps his ears sharp. Your ears get duller when you stop seeking Him and start acting on your own desires and driving forces.
Do you sin..but realize it was wrong and pray for forgiveness..and make sure you dont do it again?? When I realize that I have sinned; and sometimes it takes a minute for me to catch on lol because I can be blinded by my own human conditions, like anger, envy, pride, and lust, and get caught up in a pattern of justifying my behavior by human reasoning patterns instead of giving it to Him to forgive and bless; I do pray for forgiveness. I ask for guidance on how to stay out of that situation again, I ask for the strength to follow that guidance, I ask for Jesus to light my way and show me how to avoid it. Following that guidance is up to me. I will have a sinful, rebellious nature until the day that I die, and despite my best intentions, I will never stop sinning. Not because I don't have a heart to stop sinning, but because it is impossible given my human nature.
OR
Do you sin and think...lookie at me..im saved..all I have to do is ask Jesus to forgive and the deed is done...offI go to sin again No because my relationship with Him is more intimate than that. When I try to lie to Him, it only is self-defeating, because it creates more distance. An unconfessed sin is the last thing I want hanging in the air between me and Him. If I had a husband, and I knew he knew I did something (lol like spent too much money on shoes), but I was sitting at the table with him eating dinner trying to talk about a newspaper article or something, playing it like I thought he didn't know, I would just be making the situation worse by the minute. He would lose his trust in me if I did stuff like that and tried to hide it from him, and it would ruin some of the joy in our relationship. The situation would snowball into something worse. God kind of already knows that I'm an idiot
sometimes, and the one thing He expects is for me to be straight with Him and get His help in correcting it. I have far too much personal respect for my Father to not confess sin. It is a vital part of my relationship with Him, being straight-up about everything. I say all this because asking fake forgiveness is the same as saying you didn't do anything wrong, to me. Why bother if it's fake? God knows it's fake. If I'm faking asking forgiveness, and He knows it (and He always knows it) then it's the same unresolved issue it was before I asked for my fake forgiveness. In fact, it is now a worse issue between me and Him because I am working on the assumption that the sin is forgiven, but it is still there doing damage in my life! And He saw me lie to Him after all He's done for me!Do you show hate towards ie gays?? I do not show hate to the person, ever, nor do I even have hate to show to anyone, but if asked I will share my beliefs about it. Hate and disagreement are different.
Do you show hate towards other faiths?? Same answer as last one.
Do you hate it when someone is with you does not believe in the same path as you? No. I don't need to be surrounded by people who are just like me. I am entirely comfortable having friends who are not like-minded, and most of my friends actually, do not believe what I believe. I can find common ground and talk to anyone. And I don't talk about my faith all day long. lol I can find other things to talk about.
OR Do you accept people for who they are, and respect them...IE - treating others how you wish to be treated
This is a loaded question, because I do not feel that I have to accept their beliefs, but I will listen to them talk about them without being hostile or "preachy," I will ask questions about them, etc... I am willing to explore other peoples' beliefs with them, not because I intend to agree with them or accept those beliefs myself, but to learn more about the person, and help them organize their thoughts, if that's what they are looking for. Everyone wants to discuss things, I know that part of being human is to talk about what other people believe. So, yes, I treat people with respect, when I am disagreeing with them. God tells me in the Bible that He made each one of us personally, and that tells me that everyone is cherished and He expects me to treat His other children with respect. I would expect to have to answer to Him if I didn't. When one of my children is rude to the other one, they are accountable to me for it, and I don't tolerate it out of either one of them.
If on a forum chat site...do you...
Make threads so you can have a pop at other non Christians..and shove your beliefs in their face? lol no I really don't make threads. But I participate in conversation so that I can find out what others are thinking/believing, participate in debate, clear up misunderstandings about my belief, and make friends. This is actually the first discussion/forum whatever I have ever belonged to or participated in, except for Allure magazine, and I only go there for tips about beauty treatments and new products. But as far as taking pops at people, no that is really not my intention or my starting out point. That is not my goal.
OR
Make threads to talk about your beliefs...and take in what others have to say, to try and come to some sort of understanding..share thoughts ??? Yes sharing thoughts is what I would call it, also satisfying curiosity about what is going on with other beliefs.
How much do you think you follow in the footsteps of the all loving peacful and forviving Jesus?? I think I follow fairly well in the type of following that He left for me to do, which should not be confused with living up to or copying His perfection. He asks us to live in a way that reflects Him and lets Him work through us, He wants us to put our ego aside seek His plan for us every day. He's got a mission for us every single day, and He needs our acceptance of His leadership. He does not ask us to BE Him or be perfect all on our own, in some kind of human imitation. If people think that we think we are just like Him, I can see why people are always trying to point out our imperfections as if to say, "Nanee nanee you're not perfect after all." lol It was never intended that just out of desire to be like Him we could ever simply put on His perfection; rather, the goal is to put our human shortcomings aside and allow Him to lead. I don't understand if you are trying to ask if I think I am as all loving, peaceful and forgiving as He is, because the anser is definitely no. A major misconception and cause for bitterness among NBs, is that we think we are as good as He is. All the time, people make snide comments, "Do you think you are really as good as He is?" and such. I don't understand the point, but it is based on a misunderstanding of Christianity. We do not think that we are as good as He is, we just strive to emulate Him as much as we can by submitting to His leadership. Human nature will always be running interference, so we never have a hope of being perfect.
Are you really aware of what Jesus was all about?? lol the tone of that question implies that the asker knows better. This is one of those things that non-believers ask to try to trip us up, because they are lying in wait to say, "NU-UH, it's not that, it's THIS (insert popular misconception)!!!!!!! I know that He was all about many things. And I look for His final say on all issues in my life. I have Him to tell me what He's all about.
Do you ever look down your nose at other Christian..that don’t read a bible?? I don't look down my nose at anyone, but if someone chooses to take my correction of their misunderstanding of a Biblical verse, as looking down my nose, I've really got no control over that.
Do you look down at another Christian who doesn’t go to church?? No. People are not accountable to me, but to God. I do not expect my family to be perfect. We all are going to be having shortcomings at some point and in some area of our lives. No one is going to have it all going on perfectly at the same time. lol I would probably get more annoyed if they did. Perfect people are annoying... and not fun.
What do you call a true follower of Christ?? Someone who makes it a point to seek the will of God for their daily life, makes sacrifice an ingrained part of their life (time spent in prayer is sacrifice because we could be doing funner things, money donated to missionaries/charities is sacrifice, putting aside ego to follow what God would have him do in a situation is a sacrifice), someone who makes Jesus a member of their life not just a guy in a story, someone who puts His principles to work in his life, someone who gives Christ dominion over him and submits to God's plan for his finances, love/marriage life, raising of children, etc... all major things, and someone who prays and seeks God's will for their daily activities. In other words, lives each day to see where God would have him go, and doing the work that God gives him, fearlessly and cheerfully. Someone who listens for God's voice keeps his ears sharp. Your ears get duller when you stop seeking Him and start acting on your own desires and driving forces.
OK, that's me in bold above, tried to answer everything honestly for you.
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