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PsiSeeker
What exactly are shock waves? or waves of energy? Just think about it for a second coz im not exactly sure. Like electricity is a the fast movement of electrons what is FORCE. Would this fall under the category of gravity as a force? I'm not even sure if this is a stupid question, can som1 please enlighten me?
Raptor
I assume you mean electromagnetic radiation, like light and radiowaves? The waves are made up of oscillations of electric and magnetic fields.

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Jim88
QUOTE(PsiSeeker @ Apr 22 2007, 11:38 AM) [snapback]1641080[/snapback]
What exactly are shock waves? or waves of energy? Just think about it for a second coz im not exactly sure. Like electricity is a the fast movement of electrons what is FORCE. Would this fall under the category of gravity as a force? I'm not even sure if this is a stupid question, can som1 please enlighten me?


Shockwaves are basically sound waves produced by an explosion or a supersonic aircraft. In sound waves air is compressed and decompressed forming waves. A shockwave is a sound wave that comes from a explosion or super sonic aircraft. There is only one wave in a shock wave. So you can think of a shockwave as a wall of compressed air that comes from an explosion or super sonic aircraft.

Here is what wikipedia says about shock waves.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_wave
PsiSeeker
QUOTE(Jim88 @ Apr 22 2007, 02:16 PM) [snapback]1641211[/snapback]
Shockwaves are basically sound waves produced by an explosion or a supersonic aircraft. In sound waves air is compressed and decompressed forming waves. A shockwave is a sound wave that comes from a explosion or super sonic aircraft. There is only one wave in a shock wave. So you can think of a shockwave as a wall of compressed air that comes from an explosion or super sonic aircraft.

Here is what wikipedia says about shock waves.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_wave


Lol tongue.gif i answered my question last night as going to bed tongue.gif i went to bed at 1:20 am so i wasnt thinking very coherently
Wookietim
How about this:

What is magnetism? Think about that - how can one set of atoms that lack electrons attract another that have electrons - without communication between them?

If you actually consider it, you'll start to notice that there are a lot of strange things about magnetism - and I've done a search and there isn't a real good explanation of it by scientists yet...
Wombat
QUOTE(Wookietim @ Apr 23 2007, 12:42 PM) [snapback]1642241[/snapback]
How about this:

What is magnetism? Think about that - how can one set of atoms that lack electrons attract another that have electrons - without communication between them?

If you actually consider it, you'll start to notice that there are a lot of strange things about magnetism - and I've done a search and there isn't a real good explanation of it by scientists yet...

Read wikipedia, it's really reliable. Don't ever google weird sites which claim natural phenomenon to be supernatural.

Magnetism isn't caused by one set of atoms not having electrons. Actually, without electrons it's not even an atom. The fact that you thought that was magnetism just shows how unreliable stuff there is on the web. And that communication thing: what are you on about? Atoms aren't people.

Here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetism
Wookietim
QUOTE(Wombat @ Apr 23 2007, 11:38 AM) [snapback]1642467[/snapback]
Read wikipedia, it's really reliable. Don't ever google weird sites which claim natural phenomenon to be supernatural.

Magnetism isn't caused by one set of atoms not having electrons. Actually, without electrons it's not even an atom. The fact that you thought that was magnetism just shows how unreliable stuff there is on the web. And that communication thing: what are you on about? Atoms aren't people.

Here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetism


No - I did not think that magnetism is about one atom not having atoms. I was trying to be simplistic. I know it is a different in charge. But it still doesn't fully explain how it happens - think about it this way: Two set's of atoms are communicating at a distance. If there is nothing between atoms, how do the various forces come into play?

I know that scientists have applied names to this subject. But giving a name to it does not mean we understand it.

And yes, there is nothing spiritual about it. It's a natural phenomenon. I was just mentioning it to show that there are many things in the natural world that we don't completely understand as of yet...
PsiSeeker
Mhmmm *thinks* what ive i changed the question slightly and asked you FORCE is. Lets use the state of inirtia as an example. If you throw something out in space and it keeps going due to the lack of gravity what can we call that "force." Another example, a bullet passing through something, moments after the effects take place. Like i know the bullet proppeled everything it passed through but WHAT is the thing that causes this to continue occuring. Ergh, im finding it difficult to explain myself. Basically i think what im trying to get at is why does inertia work and what causes it to work?
Raptor
QUOTE(Wookietim @ Apr 24 2007, 12:54 PM) [snapback]1643742[/snapback]
No - I did not think that magnetism is about one atom not having atoms. I was trying to be simplistic. I know it is a different in charge. But it still doesn't fully explain how it happens - think about it this way: Two set's of atoms are communicating at a distance. If there is nothing between atoms, how do the various forces come into play?

I know that scientists have applied names to this subject. But giving a name to it does not mean we understand it.

I've done a search and there isn't a real good explanation of it by scientists yet...


We have the Standard Model to explain this very subject, if you search 'Fundamental forces' on google you'll get a massive amount of information.

Basically there are four forces: Strong Nuclear, Weak Nuclear, Gravity, Electromagnetism. These are what govern how matter behaves and interacts; they all have their own unique properties (different strengths, ranges, which particles they apply to etc.). The force is mediated between distant particles using force carrying particles, known as gauge bosons. For the electromagnetic force, this is the photon.

I drew an analogy to show how it works, two people standing in an ice rink, if they throw a ball (force carrying particle) to one another they'll move apart. If the people were charged particles, the ball would be a photon.

If they pass a boomerang (force carrying particle) to one another they'll move towards each other.


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Wookietim
QUOTE(Raptor X7 @ Apr 24 2007, 11:13 AM) [snapback]1643997[/snapback]
We have the Standard Model to explain this very subject, if you search 'Fundamental forces' on google you'll get a massive amount of information.

Basically there are four forces: Strong Nuclear, Weak Nuclear, Gravity, Electromagnetism. These are what govern how matter behaves and interacts; they all have their own unique properties (different strengths, ranges, which particles they apply to etc.). The force is mediated between distant particles using force carrying particles, known as gauge bosons. For the electromagnetic force, this is the photon.

I drew an analogy to show how it works, two people standing in an ice rink, if they throw a ball (force carrying particle) to one another they'll move apart. If the people were charged particles, the ball would be a photon.

If they pass a boomerang (force carrying particle) to one another they'll move towards each other.
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Thank you very much. Now, let me explain again - we don't know WHY these forces work. We have applied names to them and realize that they work. We don't know HOW they work on the quantum level. If you can explain that, that means that you are better than every other physicist alive.
PsiSeeker
QUOTE(Wookietim @ Apr 25 2007, 08:58 PM) [snapback]1646164[/snapback]
Thank you very much. Now, let me explain again - we don't know WHY these forces work. We have applied names to them and realize that they work. We don't know HOW they work on the quantum level. If you can explain that, that means that you are better than every other physicist alive.


Well said... And thats exactly my point too however i also want to know WHAT it is thats causing it to work.
Startraveler
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Basically i think what im trying to get at is why does inertia work and what causes it to work?


For a fairly in depth look at one possibility, try this thread.
PsiSeeker
QUOTE(Startraveler @ Apr 26 2007, 10:14 AM) [snapback]1646895[/snapback]
For a fairly in depth look at one possibility, try this thread.


Mhmm. Thanx. This topic is pretty much dead so feel free NOT to post original.gif
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