And any comment to the contrary is taken personally I see.

Say a prayer for me, since I'm obviously such an unworthy person in your eyes.

Well, why would God limit the way He makes Himself known to man?

Might it be God cannot communicate directly with us as we cannot directly communicate with other animals?

Its very difficult to say , when talkinga bout God almost everything people say about Him are assumptions and opinions.

True, but can u enlighten me on just what exactly God's reality is?

If God IS real does He float around on cloud, does he exist in the hearts of every human being who loves him and loves eachother OR does he exist in a dimension/universe unknown to us? or some other concept? How can we hope to understand God?

I dont follow a faith..I have my own faith in God.............I dont pray for others..only myself and loved ones!!!!!!!

So in essence what you're saying is you invented your own God? Isn't that's analogous to praying to an imaginary friend?

Is the concept of God as an individual entity not just an imaginary friend that all people with faith believe in?

Is the concept of God as an individual entity not just an imaginary friend that all people with faith believe in?

Really? I heard He was dead....
I believe that there is a force in our physical world that we can tap into. I'm still researching

I think there could be credit in Eastern philosophy.

Becky
Instead of sitting there trying to defend yourself and putting others down can you please provide some insight for me just over how u view God and why? Im interested to read the response.

So in essence what you're saying is you invented your own God? Isn't that's analogous to praying to an imaginary friend?

To me............The God I follow is the God in heaven.............God is not how the christian bible or any other book protrays him. IMO God is all loving...all mighty...but not as other faiths see him. In the bible he is a mindless killer ...certain things that is said to be sin, ie gays are sinners...for an all loving God like that, he wouldnt say they are sinners. I follow God in heaven in my own way, not how some book tells me so, or how a religious faith says I MUST.................I follow God in my own way. Religion needs a satan to scare others into following god..............I on the other hand fail to believe in a Satan....I don't need it to follow God
If you want to bang on about how I put others down...go ahead ..I only get at those who seem too rude.............you got a problem with that...take it to me in PM!!!

But I answered your question.............if you have any other questions.............feel free to ask...

Not concerned at all, just find Christians to be so hilarious - bad mouth other religions as polytheistic and yet believe the same malarkey. It is different, because we believe it! You have to admit that it is humorous and a double standard to boot! Believe how you want but admit that your beliefs are no more valid than others beliefs, just because they are your beliefs!

Want me to pray for you?? don't hold your breath!!

I didn't get at any1 for saying they believe in God -.-

Yes, evry1 who follows God through faith DOES have an idea of him, is it wrong for me to question why or what?? Isnt that my right? My choice? Just because I dont see him in how yours/other faiths portrays him doesn't mean I'm right, it doesn't mean u are either none of it is a bad thing, they are opinionated views and I'm simply questioning them. I dont like how the bible portrays him either, and can u PLEASE stop patronising me coz im trying to express an opinion? If all you can do is sit here and try to insult me then go for gold. Like i said i apologise if the way i view God offends you. My problem is the whatever billion of people running around following their "senses." I'm simply trying to see the logic behind the idea -.-. If this is too hard for you to cope with then do what u want... seriously.

I g2g to school ill read any responses later

You got at ashley just for saying she believe in God and you where as foul as a bulldog chewing a wasp!!

Let me tell you something

EVERYONE..meaning those that follow God through a faith..have an idea of him.....................If they so wish to protray him in how a book describes him..................IS THEIR CHOICE..and they have that right
Just because you dont see him in how other faiths protray him...............why is this a bad thing??

I dont like how the bible protrays him...but for the love of posts...............I am NOT FOUL MOUTHED about it
your problem is......................what??

Well, why would God limit the way He makes Himself known to man? Might it be God cannot communicate directly with us as we cannot directly communicate with other animals? Its very difficult to say , when talkinga bout God almost everything people say about Him are assumptions and opinions.

True, but can u enlighten me on just what exactly God's reality is? If God IS real does He float around on cloud, does he exist in the hearts of every human being who loves him and loves eachother OR does he exist in a dimension/universe unknown to us? or some other concept? How can we hope to understand God?

So in essence what you're saying is you invented your own God? Isn't that's analogous to praying to an imaginary friend?

Is the concept of God as an individual entity not just an imaginary friend that all people with faith believe in?

Nah, u were defending ureself on people putting u down, i feel like a jerk for trying to contest, and i once again apologise if i offended you through being rude, foul mothed and such.

Thank-you for your view and i respect that as your view and your opinion, we are all entitled to our own after all.

A few questions of curiousity however, what would you define heaven as? A place where God rheins? Do you beliece that the time one would spend in heaven is infinite? And if so wouldn't u agree that over an infinite perioud of time such a state would become infinitely boring?

Nice view on Satan and i perfectly agree, imo Satan was just created to scare little kids.

Look I too believe that there is a figure "God", I'm was just trying to figure out WHAT exactly this God is and WHY. Ill be perfectly honest that I so far believe that all God is is a self-image of all that is good in humanity. I'm not trying to be opinionative when i seriouly say that i have no idea how something we feel is good and just is gunna save us from a state of death. Look I understand that evry1 needs a figure of love and God is the ultimate self-image of love. But i can't fully grasp how something like that, in all its goodness and well intent, is going to save me from w.e when i die.

Ill admit that this thought scares the hell out of me but in all logicality isn't death just the same state of before we were born? Mhmmm before we were born we were "nothing" when we die we become a memory, atleast on this physical plane on Earth. I guess it would only be logical to assume that it is possible to revert back to the state of conciousness since we allready did it once. Which raises the possibility of reincarnation. Ergh, this is an extremely difficult subject to try and explain.

Alrite, to start it off ill use christianity as my example. Before Jesus came along and told evry1 that God loves them christinity was still around. This makes me wonder just who exactly told evry1 before Jesus that God exists. In which case God could be confused with many different characters of wanting there to be something "More." For example the Egyptians and the Vikings had their own set of Gods aswell as evry1 else. There are many religions and most, if not all of them, state that if you worship any other than the God represented in the specific religion you will burn in hell for the rest of eternity. This sounds promising for a good compassionate God, eternity of burning... Neways, because we have more than 1 of these religions and followers believing that who/what they worship is true for experiences in their lives and will save them from death might it not be possible to assume that evry1 goes to hell? Who is to say just waht exactly is correct?

Others have suggested that all people are doing is looking at different versions of the same God. Many reflections of the same thing. This is probably credable, but then if its different versions of the same God doesn't it mean that people have manipulated each religion to fit their own desires? To be honest, i think this is all what mosts religions are, desires of what people want them to be, simliarly with God. Why do we, for example, lable God as Male? Its always He. Isn't this a direct implication that the once dominant sex of the human race, the male, fitted God to his liking? I believe the "modern" God to be a representation of what human beings want him to be. Some old man existing in the hearts of evry1 who loves and cherishes all. A natural human need is to be loved and wanted. God provides this. A natural human need is to be saved from peril. God provides this. A natural human need is to not burn for an eternity in hell. God provides a safe haven, heaven, from this. Doesn't it start to look that what we view God as is simply desires of our own deepest needs and wants?

I believe that how God is represented by religions and such of today is far far from the truth. Does God even exist? I think its safe to assume that God is a being with human emotions and thoughts and is represented through human form. How can God be any of these? A very primitive view of God is spending his time on cloud observing the workings of man. We have visited and revisisted just exactly what God is and what he does/has done again and again to compensate for current discovery. Assume God is real and there is a heaven and hell. If you went to EITHER heaven or hell its safe to assume, according to current religions, that u will spend an eternity in either. ... Does ne1 here realise just how unbelievably big eternity is? Lets lable time in the number of years. Average human being lives for lets say 80 years. Earth has been around for, correct me if im wrong, about 6 billion years. That is a BIG number. Now imagine googelplex (a googel to the power of a googel, a google having 100 zeros that follows it, so a googel plex is a 1 followed by a googel number of 0s) years. 1 googleplex years is not anywhere near nething how big infinity is, if a googleplex represented the electron in an atom, then that 1 electron compared to the entire universe is nothing compared to how big infinity is. Imagine infinity spent in either heaven or hell... That sounds like infinite torture to me... Either way.

I think its safe to assume that God is an entity which exists above us, assuming He/She/It/some other undefinable term is real. Now if God is an entity above us as human beings it would kind of be like comparing us to a less complex being in existance, like a dog for example. A dog cannot begin to understand how human beings think, operate or do what we do. If God is above us as human beings in complexity then how can we ever hope to understand him? If God supposedly talks to some of us in our dreams wouldn't it be a lot like us trying to communicate directly with a dog? "Here boy, FETCH!" Ffs? Similiarly, we treat dogs like our pets, best friends and in some cases we mistreat them. What is to stop God from mistreating us as human beings? Who is to say that he is "compassionate" and who is to say there arent more of God as an entity? Seriously tho, we cant even understand eachother (world wars and all this crap) so how do we have any hope in hell, ironic?, of understanding God?

I feel that the image created of God in today's society is very far off the mark. Do i believe there is a "God"? Yes, but not in the way represented. Please feel free to leave posts of cricism w.e, im willing to read other opinions or people that wish to challenge my views. Evry1 has to stay open minded, it pisses me off how closed minded some people are.

PLEASE I IMPLORE YOU Don't leave me comments like "Yes God exists" or "No definately not" can u please elaborate as to why? Yes and No answers dont achieve ANYTHING, infact all it creates is arguments. Express an opinion please, WITHOUT flaming ne1 else please. Keep it strictly as a debate.

I have no problem with that BM, since I don't believe in any form of God.

I won't trouble you with any more questions or observations, since your particular form of belief favors intolerance towards those who simply disagree with you.

I wish you and yours peace in your lives, and success in all your endeavors.

why do disbelieve ssooooo hard?....if you have the right to disbelieve whith so much energy, why do believers not have the same right to believe without you attacking them?....you posted this thread for opinions, but when someone's opinion doesn't match yours then you bust loose...why is that only your right?...why did you ask for opinions?...why didn't you say "i want to fight about other beliefs".....??

randomhit10

psi..................I onced asked christians..........who all went ot heaven BEFORE jesus came to earth??

If heaven is full of just christians...then heaven must be one empty place

I believe in the God BEFORE he got a tag put on him

You go on to ask...how come so many refer to God as a HE

I am guilty of that myself, for I was once a christian..and only placed God as a he..cuz I USED to believe God made us in his own image

I grew up a bit and realized it cant be..................no way can we look anything like God.................God is not in human form

To me God is just a spiritual being....neither male or female

If going by the bible, if God DID make man in human form, from his OWN image.............then why on earth did he only appear to Mosses as a burning bush?? I mean like come on, if he where in human form, then don't it make sense, he appears how MAN imagines him??

As man wrote the bible....................of course he is going to make you think, GOD IS MALE...thats a no brainer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I got some funny answers........one actually said -- His glowing eyes might scare man...................I then think -- REALLY?? so a glowing hot bush wont??..how many men would freak out more so at a sight of a burning bush..more so than the sight of a man in a godly like image???

dont add up to me

But you have to remember, the bible was written and made up by MANY men...and then tampered with

it contridicts one thing and says another

I belive in evolution of man......................but believe God is responcible for it

I believe that God created way more than earth from the beginning.......................the dinos roamed the earth millions of years before man...................so who's to say God is NOT in the form of a dragon like creature??

What about our planets??

God created such a BIG universe.......................so it would be ignorant to believe....he only put life on one of the smallest planets of our Milky Way...EARTH........
How do we know, that he didn't place a more advanced living creature on another much bigger planet??

WE DON'T!!! thats the thing

So what do we go by then??

What pops into our heads.............

If you wipe out all world religion..and we where to start again.............someone, somewhere will wonder -- Who made us...and what put us here.??...............if he is not smart enough to figure it out or at least TRY to.............he will say there must be a magical being..a God like being...................BINGO religon is born
The bible gives the easy answers...IMO

But when you look beyond it....................its amazing what you find

In my opinion not only does God exist but only God exists. Everything else is illusion.

I like it , except we view it as inverted . Lol for all we know God is busy wondering if we exist and postulating the possibilty right now with some of his mates around the pool table of the universe.
hehe

But if that was the case God wouldn't be God.

OHP good point meh, maybe he doesn't go by the rules

God also wouldnt be God if God wasnt restricted to rules. God is limitless and not even limited by the limitless. So God is infinite possibility.

However when directly observed he breaks down from waves of probability to definite definable results? LAWL God is the maker of the rules, and since he wasn't initially included in the rules he made he doesn't have to be a direct part of them ?

However when directly observed he breaks down from waves of probability to definite definable results? LAWL God is the maker of the rules, and since he wasn't initially included in the rules he made he doesn't have to be a direct part of them ?

Well God is limited to his rules but he also isnt at the same time. How can there be any concrete law in infinite possibility? If God is all then he is and he isnt.

God does not create rules the mind does. Rules are just thoughts.

Would it be correct to then assume that God is what people make of God? Whether true in existance or not? I think that it ultimately just comes down to how you feel about the entire notion.

i dont think Satan would have me....it would be more like

God - I dont want her YOU take her

Satan - I had her in hell last week, and had my fill of it..YOU TAKE HER

God - Nooooooo YOU TAKE HER

Satan - Make me??

God - Grrr don't make me come down there !!!

Satan - ohhh look im so scared, what are you gonna do?? send me back UP to heaven again?? ha haha, she is too bossy so....... NO YOU HAVE HER!!!!!!!!!!

Lovely...well said...

And to add - what you said about not knowing where we go when we die.........................is 100% correct psi.....................no one really knows, we just have beliefs, thats it

I know one thing for a fact though, ...no onehas come back to tell the tale of what happens LOL

I know if I die, I wont pop on to UM and tell'yall LMAO I'd keep y'all guessing lol

or maybe not!!! *evil laugh into herself*

Would Ghost BM have fun with the christians?? or have fun woth the NB's??????????? muaawwhaw haw haw

I don know one thing..................ive been told im going o HELL a lot LMAO...................i dont think Satan would have me....it would be more like

God - I dont want her YOU take her

Satan - I had her in hell last week, and had my fill of it..YOU TAKE HER

God - Nooooooo YOU TAKE HER

Satan - Make me??

God - Grrr don't make me come down there !!!

Satan - ohhh look im so scared, what are you gonna do?? send me back UP to heaven again?? ha haha, she is too bossy so....... NO YOU HAVE HER!!!!!!!!!!

ROFL i like it! well said and good point

You'll be passing me on the way up and down between the two then.

So God exists but in the same sense he doesn't?

Exactly so.

LMAFO but seriously though, who has come back to say ---- "Well you will never guess where I was??"
ha ha ha Shadow..you and me going up..and down like a pair of yoyo's

maybe they will create a LIMBO just for our sake..and keep us there lol

Do you have any idea how difficult it is for me to wrap my mind around a concept like that? Allright, ill try neways. And ill use this permanent marker infront of me as an example. The pen exists infront of me, I can see it, I can touch it, its there because my senses are telling me it is. It is there because it is a part of the infinite conciousness of "things" so to speak. However, this pen has the potential of existing on my kitchen table. I can see my kitchen table and I can imagine the pen being there. In essence the pen is in existance on the kitchen table but at the same time it isn't. Before I was born I had the potential of existance. I was in the infinite state of conciousness however I wasn't at any particular point at any particular time in any particular way of thinking about it. In essence, I was in, what im understanding to be, the form of God, in existance but at the same time not. The potential to exist is most probably just as plausable to exist (in the form that I am now of my existance, the, what I im believing at the moment, concentrated form of conciousness with the handy tool (my brain). Is this what you mean when you say God exists but in the same sense he doesn't?

Yes. In effect I think you are getting it. God is all possibility Literally. This includes it's non-existence. In fact existence cannot exist without non-existence. God or whatever you wish to call is all. So there is nothing it isnt and nothing it is.

Would I be safe to say that emotions cannot exist before I was born and after I am dead? Would it be safe to say that the state I'm going to assume when dieing is the state I was in before I was born?

Emotions exist because of consciousness. Awareness/consciousness is the fundamental principle. What happens when you die I dont know though I have faith. But I'd say you will always exist in some form of consciousness. Consciousness is eternal hence it has no beginning or end.

Okay, but down to a more serious question (for me neways). Is the state before I was born and the state after I will die the same?

How do you feel about reincarnation?

You are always the same. You are always consciousness.............I be best quoting Gandhi here for you: Life and death are no two different states but different aspects of the same state.

That same state being eternal consciousness bliss. It is your natural being.

I wanna come back as a billionaire

Seriously though..........I do and I don't belive in it.......I would read the odd story, and think, WOW could be!!! then I read a few others and think LMAO yea right!!!
two minds about it!!

agreed and disagreed.

the real state is you never existed in the first place, and thus don't exist now, and never will exist.