Alrite, to start it off ill use christianity as my example. Before Jesus came along and told evry1 that God loves them christinity was still around. This makes me wonder just who exactly told evry1 before Jesus that God exists. In which case God could be confused with many different characters of wanting there to be something "More." For example the Egyptians and the Vikings had their own set of Gods aswell as evry1 else. There are many religions and most, if not all of them, state that if you worship any other than the God represented in the specific religion you will burn in hell for the rest of eternity. This sounds promising for a good compassionate God, eternity of burning... Neways, because we have more than 1 of these religions and followers believing that who/what they worship is true for experiences in their lives and will save them from death might it not be possible to assume that evry1 goes to hell? Who is to say just waht exactly is correct?

Others have suggested that all people are doing is looking at different versions of the same God. Many reflections of the same thing. This is probably credable, but then if its different versions of the same God doesn't it mean that people have manipulated each religion to fit their own desires? To be honest, i think this is all what mosts religions are, desires of what people want them to be, simliarly with God. Why do we, for example, lable God as Male? Its always He. Isn't this a direct implication that the once dominant sex of the human race, the male, fitted God to his liking? I believe the "modern" God to be a representation of what human beings want him to be. Some old man existing in the hearts of evry1 who loves and cherishes all. A natural human need is to be loved and wanted. God provides this. A natural human need is to be saved from peril. God provides this. A natural human need is to not burn for an eternity in hell. God provides a safe haven, heaven, from this. Doesn't it start to look that what we view God as is simply desires of our own deepest needs and wants?

I believe that how God is represented by religions and such of today is far far from the truth. Does God even exist? I think its safe to assume that God is a being with human emotions and thoughts and is represented through human form. How can God be any of these? A very primitive view of God is spending his time on cloud observing the workings of man. We have visited and revisisted just exactly what God is and what he does/has done again and again to compensate for current discovery. Assume God is real and there is a heaven and hell. If you went to EITHER heaven or hell its safe to assume, according to current religions, that u will spend an eternity in either. ... Does ne1 here realise just how unbelievably big eternity is? Lets lable time in the number of years. Average human being lives for lets say 80 years. Earth has been around for, correct me if im wrong, about 6 billion years. That is a BIG number. Now imagine googelplex (a googel to the power of a googel, a google having 100 zeros that follows it, so a googel plex is a 1 followed by a googel number of 0s) years. 1 googleplex years is not anywhere near nething how big infinity is, if a googleplex represented the electron in an atom, then that 1 electron compared to the entire universe is nothing compared to how big infinity is. Imagine infinity spent in either heaven or hell... That sounds like infinite torture to me... Either way.

I think its safe to assume that God is an entity which exists above us, assuming He/She/It/some other undefinable term is real. Now if God is an entity above us as human beings it would kind of be like comparing us to a less complex being in existance, like a dog for example. A dog cannot begin to understand how human beings think, operate or do what we do. If God is above us as human beings in complexity then how can we ever hope to understand him? If God supposedly talks to some of us in our dreams wouldn't it be a lot like us trying to communicate directly with a dog? "Here boy, FETCH!" Ffs? Similiarly, we treat dogs like our pets, best friends and in some cases we mistreat them. What is to stop God from mistreating us as human beings? Who is to say that he is "compassionate" and who is to say there arent more of God as an entity? Seriously tho, we cant even understand eachother (world wars and all this crap) so how do we have any hope in hell, ironic?, of understanding God?

I feel that the image created of God in today's society is very far off the mark. Do i believe there is a "God"? Yes, but not in the way represented. Please feel free to leave posts of cricism w.e, im willing to read other opinions or people that wish to challenge my views. Evry1 has to stay open minded, it pisses me off how closed minded some people are.

PLEASE I IMPLORE YOU Don't leave me comments like "Yes God exists" or "No definately not" can u please elaborate as to why? Yes and No answers dont achieve ANYTHING, infact all it creates is arguments. Express an opinion please, WITHOUT flaming ne1 else please. Keep it strictly as a debate.

I believe there is a Creator. I call the Creator a "he" for the same reason I say "man" when I mean men and women... it's a cover all, because you get tired of writing he/she/it/them all the time. For me the Creator isn't male.

I think that, when we look at the religions which involve a personal god, each different interpretation of what the Creator is has been moulded by man to fit an agenda, to be attractive to a certain people, or threatening to them, and to force man to follow by means of promises of a reward or a threat of punishment.

I believe that the Creator has never intervened in mankind's affairs, that he does not communicate with us, and that every claim that is made about his personality/character/nature has been conjured up by the minds of men.

I believe god is real as a construct of faith. A personal subjective alliance, between believer and object (god), imparting a mutual affinity, by proxy of faith, to something imagined and beneficent.

I do not believe there is a god. I believe nature, power, energy, all the stuff of physics, and any appellation wherein it is imagined something cares, is one and the same descriptor, for the essence inside everything, but I do not believe that is anything defined by mortals, and refined into what some call god, is invested in our being. I don't believe it is possessed of the egotistical judgments and petty grievances, which humans are disposed to. I don't believe it cares if we're good or bad or indifferent. We're not special because we can think. We just think we're special because we can. Trying to figure out everything going on. Laying out rules, dogma, and theory , for the why of it all and the assertion that it also has a moral code. A rule book wherein worship is necessary, fear is implied and ego is exampled, is that power of man. While nature doesn't care about us at all. We're just another organic organism that will exist until it does not. And then , when it's invigoration ceases, it shall serve another way. In the rot of it. In the decay. Just like leaves laying on the grounds in autumn. Dying by particle decay until what it use to be, now serves the whole, as that what remains in the essence of a leaf. But for me, thinking all that is the art of something called god, makes it seem trivial. That I somehow have the capacity to understand and define it to be, just like me. And I don't think anything that can create all that empowers all we see, is particularly concerned about how we arrive at our destiny. I think that's the work of us. And so we make god in our image and in our likeness for control, so that we/I might understand myself to be, control. But I don't think that's ever able to say it knows god. I think , rather, it's the ability to think our ego can possibly believe god is just like us, that makes everything else including us, that lives not possessed of dogma and discriminations. But rather live to fullest bursting potential, because thats how it's made. We're the only creatures on earth that think first, we need a rule book to keep us moral, and second, that we can not only create a being that watches over that structure, but imparts the rule book in words we can understand. That then begins to tell us our intuition may be of the devil, if we don't follow the rule book something not the devil handed down.

It's all very strange, when we seek to create our damnation and salvation, on faith. Thinking that's how we live, because that's what we're worth and the only thing that proves that, is having faith in the words.

Well without reading your post I can give you an answer with one word. Yes.

Yes, God is real,alive, and well.

randomhit10

IMO god is just a generic label applied to a transference of an imaginary sort, for many reasons depending on the person/s.. As defined by 'man' I am fully confident and conclude there is no such thing.....which should be a happy thing...LOL

Really? I heard He was dead....


I believe that there is a force in our physical world that we can tap into. I'm still researching

I think there could be credit in Eastern philosophy.

We just don't know who he/she/it might really be...the various organized revealed religions fight over which is the real god. I believe the Creator finds this simultaneously funny and sad.

i am God

No sweetheart you are a Goddess lol



Anyhooo I believe God is real............as for being alive and WELL LMAO I dunno if he is well.............he didnt tell me so LMAO

I think proof of higher power is the knowledge to make swiss chocolate. This alone tells me goddess of any type can not exist as a resemblance to ourselves. Else, she'd have hips! Poor dear. And having created swiss chocolate, that would be a very big problem of gigantic proportions. So instead, that higher power exists in our taste buds. The awareness centers of our being, so that higher power chocolate fiend, can experience vicariously the sensation of the mighty cocoa bean.


Dip me in chocolate and throw me to Willie Wonka!

no. that was His Son but He gave Him back His life also...and yes there is an awesome force in this universe that you can tap into...i can help you with the researching if you would like it...please pm if i can help...

randomhit10

Last I heard, he and his son were supposed to be the same person...I take it you are not a Trinitarian? That must mean that you are a Polytheist - for that matter Trinitarians are too, just won't admit it...LMFAO

the God concept as dipicted by the bible is a tool which man manipulated to give him some security yes.

and to exert power and dominance...HA HA at the end of the day its all about getting layed LMAO!

Actually, potheists believe in more than one God. We "Trinitarians" believe that God, who is an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent being reveals Himself to mankind in three ways, but is still one single being, therefore, we are not polytheists.

Yet you consider Hindus to be polytheists even though they believed in a Trinity centuries before Judaism, much less Christianity, existed. If they are polytheists, then you all are polytheists!

God is the alpha and omega the beggining and the end of all things in the universe he is all knowing he even knows how many hairs there are on your body.
He does exist because many have experienced his miracles and his wrath

guess again....i'm not any 'arian...sorry to disappoint you...

randomhit10

That must mean that Ahura Mazda, Shiva, etc must exist too...since many have experienced their miracles and their wrath (at least to hear their followers tell it)

Oh, then you must be polytheistic...since you view the Father and Son as seperate individuals.

i knew where you were headed earlier....i believe in God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and His Holy Bible....put what ever label you feel comfortable with...Hindus are what they are...they believe in hundreds of gods/goddesses which is hardly close to what i believe so your comparison is a little stretched, like comparing baloney to sirloin steak...(no i did not say Hinduism is baloney before you get on that one)...

randomhit10

why are you so concerned?

randomhit10

how can a diety be omni this and that and limit then limit the 'ways'' he reveals himself...the facts are really ther is just not enough actual evidence to stand on its own, but this diety does seem to possess human atributes hmmmm.....IMO something viable can somehow prove itself....gladly....

Not concerned at all, just find Christians to be so hilarious - bad mouth other religions as polytheistic and yet believe the same malarkey. It is different, because we believe it! You have to admit that it is humorous and a double standard to boot! Believe how you want but admit that your beliefs are no more valid than others beliefs, just because they are your beliefs!

My understanding is that Hindus believe in several separate beings, not that one single being is revealing itself in several different ways.


Sheri, I believe God limits the way He makes Himself known to man, because man is a limited being who would be incapable of understanding the whole reality of God, not because God is limited. The human attributes you perceive are there because of your perception, not because of god's reality.

The Hindu doctrine call Tri-murti (Three-forms) describes the divine trinity as consisting of Brahma, Vishnu, and Siva: Brahma being the Father or supreme God, Vishnu being the incarnate Word and Creator, and Siva, the Spirit of God/Holy Ghost. It is an inseparable unity though three in form. Worshipers are told to worship them as one deity.
And how is this different than your Trinity? It has been around at least as long as Judaism and according to Hindu tradition, thousands of years longer! Again, nothing about Christianity is original.

why do you beleive that ???? Just curious???

What do you base this belief on? I'm just curious.



For me, the human attributes of the christian god are there because the bible says they are. Without the bible I would have no idea what attributes to assign to the christian god. It's not a matter of perception for me... it's what the bible tells me.

exactly its a hear say pass me down construct....most relgions are and one is generally told in childhood this is god IMO few actaully test run this idea....

according to daniel c dennett in "breaking the spell", humans have a HADD(hyperactive agent detection device) which is how we assign intent to actions. However, we also falsely assign intent to objects, which gave way first to poytheism and then monotheism. Basically, gods are false positives of our HADD.

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Very well said... NO1 has been able to proof God exists with direct logical proof through science or w/e otherwise there wont be this massive debate. All im trying to pinpoint is the fact that God is a messed up representation of every religion out there today. How can there be 3000 versions of the same thing?

Do you need to be so freaking FOUL??


now prove to me he dont exist??

If I see this question one more time I'm going to insert my RAM into my eyes.

Well, why would God limit the way He makes Himself known to man? Might it be God cannot communicate directly with us as we cannot directly communicate with other animals? Its very difficult to say , when talkinga bout God almost everything people say about Him are assumptions and opinions.

True, but can u enlighten me on just what exactly God's reality is? If God IS real does He float around on cloud, does he exist in the hearts of every human being who loves him and loves eachother OR does he exist in a dimension/universe unknown to us? or some other concept? How can we hope to understand God?

You got at ashley just for saying she believe in God and you where as foul as a bulldog chewing a wasp!!

Let me tell you something

EVERYONE..meaning those that follow God through a faith..have an idea of him.....................If they so wish to protray him in how a book describes him..................IS THEIR CHOICE..and they have that right


Just because you dont see him in how other faiths protray him...............why is this a bad thing??

I dont like how the bible protrays him...but for the love of posts...............I am NOT FOUL MOUTHED about it


your problem is......................what??

Sorry, but you can't prove a negative.

Coincidentally, no one can prove God exists either.

Hmmm, now there's an interesting thought....

Prove to ME..that he dont exist??










Start ramming!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go for it

Dont patronize me because ur incapable of doing nething else, I'm not here to prove God exists, I'm here to prove the God we "know" and "understand" is very far from it. Or atleast question it with input from others. If i offended you with my being "FOUL" then I apologise -.-

a negative eh??

How the feeeck is God a negative??

Tell me how on earth can you think its OK to sit and make claims he dont exist..........???

how does this work exactly??

Havent you heard of the word FAITH??

what does FAITH mean to you??

Have you heard of - ones own personal experience??

You have been foul through out the thread

Patronize?? thats a joke....you jumped on Ashley..and you cry dont patronize you lol


what do you know about what I am capable of?? just curious??

To close your eyes, plug your ears and go "la la la la".

I didn't get at any1 for saying they believe in God -.-

Yes, evry1 who follows God through faith DOES have an idea of him, is it wrong for me to question why or what?? Isnt that my right? My choice? Just because I dont see him in how yours/other faiths portrays him doesn't mean I'm right, it doesn't mean u are either none of it is a bad thing, they are opinionated views and I'm simply questioning them. I dont like how the bible portrays him either, and can u PLEASE stop patronising me coz im trying to express an opinion? If all you can do is sit here and try to insult me then go for gold. Like i said i apologise if the way i view God offends you. My problem is the whatever billion of people running around following their "senses." I'm simply trying to see the logic behind the idea -.-. If this is too hard for you to cope with then do what u want... seriously.

I g2g to school ill read any responses later

Deep breath BM. Don't let these guys get to you. They are just hung up on thinking that their world-view is somehow superior to yours. No sense fighting a battle of cerebral attrition.

Before this thread ends in a ..................

Keep in on track and refrain from personal attacks.
We now resume your regularly scheduled bickering

Ergh... I apologise, this is a delicate subject dealing with :\. I just felt angry that all most people do in most instances is falling back directly on what they believe in and don't look at any other view points on the subject. If i offended you in any way Ashley i apologise. Just please stay a bit more open minded on the subject.

Beckys_Mom
You have your valid points, and I'll read them later, ill try to eaze off a little bit coz i have been pretty full on . The discussion of God brings forth a lot of strong human emotions and opinions...

rev r
Dude.... GRRR!@!! I don't think my view is any superior to ne1 elses, coz thats all it is MY VIEW. Im simply asking people to help me along MY path of trying to understand just who and what exactly God is, if i question people on their faiths and religions don't gun me down because of that.

All in all, please guys don't turn this into a flame war, i'd really like to read comments later on and it would not be cool if this thread got shutted down . Neways thanx for all the input guys, ill reply later on.

You (meaning anybody) cannot prove that something doesn't exist. It's a fallacy in logic.

As to proving God exists, again all you have to offer is your personal belief. It is your personal faith, but it is hardly an argument to support your contention that (any) God exists.

I dont like how it protrays him either...but I try and understand as to why people follow it...ive been doing it for so long now


I now put myself in their shoes, and try and imagine ...what is it like to see things how a christian see things??


the role playing thread helps me

in there I AM THE CHRISTIAN..proud of it too


but if you took the time...read some of these threads..........listened to a few..................ask as many questions as you like...........

then you will KNOW

when you understand why people follow anything you will see why people follow it. :wink:

*takes a long deep breath*.................................................... sigh sorry rev...I just hate foulness but he appologized..so meh!!


Well DUHHHH of course its a PERSONAL experince...............its all about PERSONAL beliefs............its called a FAITH for a reason................never stated as fact!!!!



*lights up ciggy*


*takes another deep breath*

this ones for you rev

And any comment to the contrary is taken personally I see.

Say a prayer for me, since I'm obviously such an unworthy person in your eyes.