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Lilly
Holy Cow! Yep, they finally found one.

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WASHINGTON - For the first time astronomers have discovered a planet outside our solar system that is potentially habitable, with Earth-like temperatures, a find researchers described Tuesday as a big step in the search for "life in the universe."


The Mule
Here's another link about the same planet

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18293978/
EmpressStarXVII
Wooohoo!!! When is the next flight out!
Cryptoman
First Habitable Earthlike Planet Found, Experts Say
James Owen
for National Geographic News

April 24, 2007

The first known planet beyond the solar system that could harbor life as we know it has been discovered, scientists report.

The most Earthlike planet yet found, it orbits a red dwarf star and likely contains liquid water, said the European astronomers who made the discovery.

The planet is estimated to be only 50 percent larger than Earth, making it the smallest planet yet found outside the solar system, according to a team led by Stephane Udry of the Geneva Observatory in Switzerland.

Known as Gliese 581 c, the newfound world is located in the constellation Libra, some 20.5 light-years away.

The planet is named after the red dwarf star it orbits, Gliese 581, which is among the hundred closest stars to Earth.

Because the planet is 14 times nearer to its star than Earth is to the sun, a year there lasts just 13 days. Gravity on the planet's surface, though, may be twice as strong as Earth's gravity.

Despite the close proximity to its parent star, however, Gliese 581 c lies within the relatively cool habitable zone of its solar system. That's because red dwarfs are relatively small and dim, and are cooler than our sun, the team explained.

The scientists estimated the planet's surface temperature at between 32 and 104 degrees Fahrenheit (0 and 40 degrees Celsius).

"This means water can exist in liquid form," Udry said. "If you want life like our own, then you need water."

The team reports its findings in the journal Astronomy and Astrophysics.

Rock or Oceans

The new world could feature familiar, rocky terrains or be completely covered with oceans, the researchers said.

In either case, Gliese 581 c will likely become a target for missions in search of extraterrestrial life, they added.

"We still have a long way to go before reaching that point. But for sure it's the best candidate we know of right now," Udry commented.

"The planet is really close to us," he said. Still, it would take 20 years to get there if traveling at the speed of light, and another 20 to return.

Gliese 581 c is better suited to life than larger planets like Jupiter, which tend to be dense masses of gas, Udry explained.

(See an interactive map of the solar system.)

"You need a rocky planet to find life—the big giants are not the best places for that," he said.

More precise instruments have recently enabled astronomers to detect small "exoplanets"—worlds found outside our solar system.

"We started to find them two or three years ago," Udry said. Thirteen exoplanets that have less than 20 times the weight of Earth have been discovered so far, he noted.

"We found them very easily, so it looks like they are much more numerous than the giant planets we were finding before," the astronomer said.

Planet Hunter

The new planet was detected using an instrument called a spectrograph at the European Southern Observatory at La Silla, Chile.

Known as the High Accuracy Radial Velocity Planetary Searcher (HARPS), the device is described by the team as a "unique planet-hunting machine."

It works by detecting the pull of an unseen exoplanet on the star it orbits. An orbiting planet causes its star to wobble slightly, and this effect can be measured by instruments such as HARPS.

Advanced spectrographs are enabling astronomers to detect ever smaller planets, said Michael Perryman of the European Space Agency's Astrophysics Missions Division in the Netherlands.

"The wobble for these planets that they are detecting now is very, very tiny—about three meters [nine feet] per second, which is about the speed you run at," Perryman said.

"New planets are being discovered every few weeks or so," he added. "The interesting development is when you start getting these lower-mass planets closer to [the weight] of the Earth."

The newfound planet is especially noteworthy, Perryman said.

"As soon as you find a planet at the right distance [from its star] such that liquid water might exist, then you're saying this is the kind of environment in which one might start looking for life," he added.

Udry, of the Geneva Observatory, said the goal of future programs is to find a planet and star pairing to match that of Earth and the sun.

"We are now developing instruments which will allow us to find those," Udry said

"We hope, and even expect, to have these habitable planets all over the place."

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Leonardo
Very exciting discovery, yet I feel the disquieting urge to "Harrumph" and mention that the presence of water has not yet been detected. Also would be interested to find out if they have recognised the signature of any atmosphere on said planet.

A question, if anyone knows. How is the mean surface temperature determined? Is it simply a calculation of distance from star vs stars' luminosity across the em spectrum?

Anyway, great find Lilly!!! thumbsup.gif
louie
New 'super-Earth' found in space

The new planet is not much bigger than the Earth



Astronomers have found the most Earth-like planet outside our Solar System to date, a world which could have water running on its surface.
The planet orbits the faint star Gliese 581, which is 20.5 light-years away in the constellation Libra.

Scientists made the discovery using the Eso 3.6m Telescope in Chile.

They say the benign temperatures on the planet mean any water there could exist in liquid form, and this raises the chances it could also harbour life.

"We have estimated that the mean temperature of this 'super-Earth' lies between 0 and 40 degrees Celsius, and water would thus be liquid," explained Stephane Udry of the Geneva Observatory, lead author of the scientific paper reporting the result.

For full story see: bbc news
Super Pancake
Packing my bags later guys
Devendra
QUOTE(Super Pancake @ Apr 25 2007, 07:09 PM) [snapback]1645996[/snapback]
Packing my bags later guys

So you could have a birthday party every 13 days?
Legatus Legionis
other planets that may contain life. or life is plausible. makes me excited. i wish we could somehow get to that planet and live there. dwarf stars live longer than our sun. alien.gif cool.gif
odas

Hm, so work 5 days, have a two day weekend and then 6 days on vacation. Superb, where do I sign up?

ROGER
I thought Red Dwarf stars were at the end of thier life cycle. The RED color meaning its fuel is running out.
or am I totaly wrong!
Pax Unum
QUOTE(ROGER @ Apr 25 2007, 02:23 PM) [snapback]1646015[/snapback]
I thought Red Dwarf stars were at the end of thier life cycle. The RED color meaning its fuel is running out.
or am I totaly wrong!

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Red dwarfs fuse hydrogen to helium via the proton-proton (PP) chain. Due to the low temperatures in the core, fusion proceeds slowly. Consequently they emit little light, sometimes as little as 1/10,000th that of the sun. In general red dwarfs transport energy from the core to the surface via convection. As red dwarfs are fully convective, they can burn a larger proportion of their hydrogen before leaving the main sequence than larger stars, such as the Sun. Thus red dwarfs have an enormous estimated lifespan; from tens of billions up to trillions of years depending upon mass; the lower the mass, the longer the lifespan.


LINK-> Red dwarf
MoonPrincess
That's pretty awsome. I wonder if the planet itself supports life already. ^^
chemical-licker
i built my space ship just needed a destination, yipee!! final got my target, well see you earth people, ill send you a postcard.
money=power
imagine getting there and its full of liberals ohmy.gif
Bill Hill

laugh.gif yeah, liberals and muslims...bah humbug..
ere where's me spaceship..sniff..
MoonPrincess
You know what. If this planet is "Earth" like. When/if the planet changes & it won't support life anymore. This planet is where we are headed. The thing just popped up in my head.
IronGhost
QUOTE(money=power @ Apr 25 2007, 09:40 PM) [snapback]1646218[/snapback]
imagine getting there and its full of liberals ohmy.gif



I've been to this planet using the process of Astral Travel.

I am glad to report there are A LOT OF LIBERALS on the planet, and thus is is free of industrial pollution, and global warming is not a problem. The environment is clean and green. There are also no guns, everyone is safe, and 90 percent of the wealth is not owned by 1 percent of the population. On this planet filled with Liberals, science is taught in the classrooms, and fairy tails about floods and magic talking snakes are not allowed to be taught as science in the schools. There are no illegal wars based on false intelligence. Some of the creatures who have a slightly different sexual orientation from the majority are not perscuted and threatened with constant eternal damnation. On this liberal planet, female creatures earn the same amount of money as male creatures.

Now I will report on the physical aspects of the planet:

There are tangerine trees

There are marmalade skies

The females creatures on the planet have kaleidoscope eyes.

There are many flowers on the planet -- they look like cellophane are yellow and green, and tower over your head. When you drift past these flowers, everyone smiles at you.

There is another race on the planet that are called rocking horse people. Their favorite food is marshmellow pie.

The creatures of the planet travel around in newspaper taxis, which may appear on the shore at any time. When you climb in, you'll be off and your head will soon be in the clouds.

In short, this is a wonderful amazing planet, filled with happy liberals. Living in a clean evironmment, with no global warming, no poverty, no demand that every one carry a gun, and when someone earns a billion dollars, the government does not give them extra tax breaks to make them even richer, just for the hell of it.

Lord Umbarger
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I am glad to report there are A LOT OF LIBERALS on the planet
Oh, so none of the people there will fight against highly developed cultures and technicalogically advanced aliens for their own survival? Sounds like they are ripe for the plucking! Did it ever occur to you that they COULD be like Klingons or Chiggs? Load up boys and fix bayonnets, all that target practice just might pay off!

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The females creatures on the planet have kaleidoscope eyes.
There are many flowers on the planet -- they look like cellophane are yellow and green, and tower over your head. When you drift past these flowers, everyone smiles at you.
There is another race on the planet that are called rocking horse people. Their favorite food is marshmellow pie.
The creatures of the planet travel around in newspaper taxis, which may appear on the shore at any time. When you climb in, you'll be off and your head will soon be in the clouds.
So, you are saying that they are drugged-out hippies then? Are these your run of the mill hippies or the Manson type hippies? Just wondering if I need to pack twenty bullets or twenty one.

From what I gather, the star system is far older than ours. In all likelihood, any thing that we would recognise as "life" has probably either evolved past our level of understanding or has killed itself out. (Google: "Drake Equation"). It's probably either so full of radiation that you could cook microwave popcorn on the ground at night or populated by something so advanced that they would view us as ants.

Kind of a moot point actually though. 20 light years? If we could move at the exact speed of light, and I left today, when I got there I'd be fifty-three years, and 22 days old. Not your average age for planetary colonization, huh?

Last edit to this post. I promise!

The planet is 193 trillion Kilometres from Earth. It would take our fastest probe, (Voyagers I & II, fastest to date anyway), around two million years to get there, right?

Look on the bright side, maybe it's a world full of gun nuts and hence, have the same crime rate as Kennisaw, Georgia! Maybe even a few hunters!
sede-x-teh-bomb
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6589157.stm?ls

finally.. we can start again..

this time without that ***SNIP*** religion around to stuff everything up

now just gotta figure out how to get there
Solitaia
Ah, i saw this on the news. very exciting info!

Too bad its 20 light years away.... -_-

Very interesting, thou!


-Solitaia.
Jjbreen
QUOTE(Zombie Jesus @ Apr 25 2007, 09:31 PM) [snapback]1646701[/snapback]
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6589157.stm?ls

finally.. we can start again..

this time without that ***SNIP*** religion around to stuff everything up

now just gotta figure out how to get there

Umm - Not going to happen, sorry dude. We know next to nothing about this planet. We know it's aprox. size, mass and rotation period. One year there = 13 days. Other than that - we are not even sure if it has life, plants or anything else. We only know that it exists.

So wouldn't just pack the bags yet. Remember the Old Star Trek Episode about Looking for "Eden" - they found it but everything on the planet was acid based and killed the people seeking it. They didn't take the time to 'check it out' first. They just JUMPED to their deaths.
Razer
It is really nice that we finally know there is an Earth like planet out there. Of course we can't actually travel there in our lifetimes, but the fact that is there is just amazing to me. I always felt Earth like planets were out so this news just made my day.
Bulldog1974
check my post on the Main Page, please... yes.gif
Lord Umbarger
It's a shame that we have to wait until 2020 before they put the new deep space telescope into orbit. It wouldn't answer all the questions but, it might answer a few of them. What I'd really like to know is rather the surface temperture is regulated by moving winds and oceans or if it's only habitable around the terminator zone. I know the one big question is "Is there life there?" but, I seriously doubt that an orbiting telescope here around Earth would ever be able to tell us that.
Owlscrying
May 17

For the first time, astronomers have discovered a planet far, far away that might be similar to Earth. This distant world, which pirouettes around a dim bulb of a star with the unglamorous name Gliese 581, may possibly sport a landscape that would be vaguely familiar to us — a panorama of liquid oceans and drifting continents. If so, there's the chance that it's a home to life — perhaps even advanced life.

It's different mostly because it's small. Nearly all the earlier discoveries were of massive worlds, lumbering giants comparable to Jupiter or Saturn. Such behemoths are likely to be buried in thick and toxic atmospheres, and seem ill-suited for supporting life.

However, by measuring the motions of bantam stars, such as the red dwarf Gliese 581, it's possible to uncover lighter-weight worlds, since detectability depends on the ratio of stellar to planetary mass. Gliese 581c, as the new find is called, is the smallest yet discovered around a normal star, a mere 50 percent larger across than Earth. This diminutive size suggests (but does not prove) that it's a rocky world, like Venus, Earth or Mars.

In another stroke of luck, it turns out that this planet is likely to be - at just the right temperature. Unlike Earth, it hugs Gliese 581 with a tight grip. It's five times closer to its runty star than Mercury is to our Sun. On the other hand, Gliese 581 is only a few percent as luminous as the Sun. These two factors roughly cancel, and a simple calculation suggests an average temperature similar to the temperate zones of Earth.

A planet this close to its stellar master will most likely be tidally locked, with one side always facing its sun, and the other side perpetually turned toward the cold darkness of space. But computer models have suggested that if such a world has an atmosphere, strong winds will distribute the heat of the sunny hemisphere around the planet. There should be a belt of moderate temperatures somewhere near the twilight ring between light and dark. This idea has received a bit of confirmation from recent infrared measures of another newly discovered planet, a tidally locked world named HD 189733b. This gas giant seems to show a moderating of the temperature difference between its light and dark sides due to high-speed winds.

The bottom line is exciting. Out of the hundreds of planets so far uncovered around other stars, Gliese 581c is the best candidate for habitation. It could conceivably boast such terrestrial amenities as liquid oceans, a benign atmosphere, and plate tectonics to churn metal ore close to the surface, useful for any advanced beings with a penchant for technology.

Gliese 581 is, as astronomical distances go, relatively close: only 20 light-years away. It's one of the few star systems which, if inhabited, might provoke conversation. A simple exchange, along the lines of "how are you?" followed by "fine, and you?" would require a mere four decades. Tedious, but not unthinkable.

However, irrespective of whether the world orbiting Gliese 581 is host to chatty beings or not, its discovery is highly suggestive. In the mid-twentieth century, astronomers debated whether planets were extraordinarily rare or as common as crickets. We now know the latter is true, and the number of planets in our own galaxy could easily tally in the hundreds of billions.

go
Waspie_Dwarf
Above post merged into existing thread.
Erikl
Actually, 20 ly is right around the corner... think about it... if we manage to build a probe that can travel at say 50% of the speed of light, it'll reach there in 40 years... not that long IMO (about one generation waiting period). Problem would be to get the information from it... it'll take 20 years for every broadcast to reach earth.

*sigh*... we must find a way to at least communicate faster than the speed of light... or hope that a planet like this would be discovered in circling Alpha Centauri tongue.gif....
Waspie_Dwarf
QUOTE(Erikl @ May 26 2007, 09:23 AM) [snapback]1694731[/snapback]
if we manage to build a probe that can travel at say 50% of the speed of light, it'll reach there in 40 years...

That is a huge if. With current technology we haven't even managed 0.01% light speed. It would take us 100,000 years to get their. We have a lot to discover before we can think of 20ly as "right around the corner".

QUOTE(Erikl @ May 26 2007, 09:23 AM) [snapback]1694731[/snapback]
*sigh*... we must find a way to at least communicate faster than the speed of light...


An even bigger if. It would involve a whole new set of discoveries in physics to replace Relativity. If Relativity is correct then such communication will remain impossible no matter how much we want it.
Bulldog1974
20 light years is nothing based on cosmic terms. Kinda like walking out to your neighbors back yard...

I still think man has some basic knowledge of star drive, however, the cost is what keeps governments from funding it.

If man does posses alien craft as claimed by writers in the United States, Russia and China, then that technology is here...this comment is based on several articles on here and other websites. Area 51????

What is mind boggling is the fact of the technological advances in the last 40 years...vaccuum tubes to a little pin sized computer chip that does it all...man is intellegent(?) but where did the basis of the technology come from?

Ok, I am ready to take the beating from you... blink.gif
Waspie_Dwarf
QUOTE(Bulldog1974 @ May 26 2007, 11:04 PM) [snapback]1695291[/snapback]
Ok, I am ready to take the beating from you... blink.gif


No beating just pointing out there is a whole forum for the UFO stuff and another for the conspiracy stuff. This section is for the science stuff.
Bulldog1974
QUOTE(Waspie_Dwarf @ May 26 2007, 11:47 PM) [snapback]1695378[/snapback]
No beating just pointing out there is a whole forum for the UFO stuff and another for the conspiracy stuff. This section is for the science stuff.


Did it again, didn't I? angry.gif

rice
how come i juss heard about this article now? oh wells...still good news...although if we ever make it to that planet...id bring a bowflex during the flight....work out my knees and legs for 20 years...since the gravity is twice as strong there lol.
Waspie_Dwarf
QUOTE(rice @ May 30 2007, 05:04 PM) [snapback]1700871[/snapback]
although if we ever make it to that planet...id bring a bowflex during the flight....work out my knees and legs for 20 years...since the gravity is twice as strong there lol.


You'll have a bit longer than that. With current technology the flight time would be closer to 150,000 years.
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