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Opinions are one thing, Kratos, contempt is another. You speak out against those religions' persecution with your own persecuation toward them. So are you the pot, or the kettle?

What is it about you? You are the only one I see who continually attacks relgions, Christianity in particular, as a retort to the prejudices of some believers. You don't like the actions of some who follow a faith, that's fine, but you go that extra step and attack all who have a Christian faith by saying "God is a terrorist! He's evil! The bible says so!" Get over it! Most Christians already have.

The only thing I want from you, Kratos, is civility to the members of this site that have faith in something greater than themselves. I ask the same from them concerning nonbelievers! So sorry if I can't get to every post made, I am just one man on one of the slowest ISP's known to man. You and I just happen to meet up in the threads I do look at. Odd, I know. I promise you this, I have never looked for a post from you!

If you want to PM me when you feel someone's being intolerant, I'll look into it. Again, I'm one man trying to appeal to a world's good sense. I've never suggested that anyone be victim to another's beliefs, quite the contrary. It's much easier to help enlighten someone if there's not a defense up around their sensibilities as there is after their beliefs have been attacked. If you want to change a person's beliefs, you have to do so subtly.

Take care of yourself, Kratos! Peace be with you., that's all I can hope for.

So you have a problem with me not being PC, well there you go... I wouldn't change. Curious to think you're argueing against my opinions in a thread that is stating atheists should speak up their opinions. Interesting to think believers can say whatever they want with little problem but an atheist speaks up and it's the worst thing ever and they need to respect others beliefs. It's a double standard that I will not keep up.

Here's a great idea... If you don't like my opinions, go into your control panel and put me on the ignore list instead of whining about it.



Honestly, I don't care what you do. That's your opinion as well.

I've never implied that believers should be allowed to say whatever they want, rather that everyone should be held to the higher standard of equality. However, I guess that's subjest to your theory of one being more equal than another. Still having trouble with that? Oh well, that's entirely your problem now. Hope you find what you're looking for in this life, Kratos. Take care of yourself!

Kratos is an island unto himself. I appreciate that very much. He doesn't follow, he may lead at times, but if he does one best have hiking boots, because he's likely to diverge into some unknown territory that shan't be accommodating to the weak of heart. He calls it like he sees it, and politically correct be damned. Bravo! We need more of that, in a society that's fast accommodating itself to fear of speaking at all, for fear of offending anyone with ears to hear.

I fully understand where he's coming from, when he says there are some that are entitled to speak, without suffering recriminations, or criticism. And usually those are the one's that follow the seeming status quo. As if implying, there are certain topics one is not permitted to freely speak about if they are not in accord with the tradition of faith and religion, that is often times, monotheism. And if they dare so, they may be lauded by any one of the faithful to those institutions, as they're called any number of slurs, are told hell looks forward to their arrival, etc... Nothing is more insufferable than someone that imagines there's only one way to think.


That's why I enjoy Kratos posts. He challenges that and even when someone thinks he's out of line, the challenge is still there. Life is not lived inside a box, why is it healthy to think inside one, erect barriers against anyone else offering an exit because one feels comfortable in what they think they know!? I haven't a clue, but it's not my choice to live like that. But I know that no matter how hard some try, (not speaking to you Devol=loved ), they'll never succeed in suppressing what must be said. Politically correct hammers that attempt to imply as much are an insult to intelligence, by imparting the notion that one isn't ready to hear , so it must be quashed so as not to offend. Imagine if PC held sway from our beginnings as a civilization. We'd still walk, because flight by some was considered un-natural. Argued, in part, if god wanted people to fly he'd have given them wings. Women would still be essentially barefoot and pregnant, in the kitchen, because at one time women weren't thought to be smart enough to be trusted to the vote, or their own independence. And the secular world would still be commanded by the church, because some imagined we are nothing without god , as a lamp unto our feet. This world has evolved to a level of personal freedom and independence, because of all those that have come before, that stemmed the tide of complacence and slave like obedience to what was even then, political correctness, a juggernaut of oppression, and boldly said, there is another way! And then they set about to lead it, by example, so that those so compelled might step out of the rut and blaze new ground to freedom and independence.

And I think if someone is not free to think and speak their mind, in the world at large, or a forum like this, they are not free at all. Besides, I think it speaks more to those that try to verbally harangue, so as to suppress that inclination, than anything else they could say, that clearly fails in it's mission to intimidate people to feel insecure in their point of view, and as such say nothing at all. For some of us, that ilk will never be allowed to win. For all of us, we should be grateful to the spirit that compels such determination. Because it's what freed us from the tyranny and oppression that sought to keep our minds, and our diverse communities, in that box.

You go Kratos! While you have the right to speak freely, people have the free right not to agree. What's unfortunate is when there is an attempt to insult, because some don't agree, in the hopes of shutting you up, so they don't have to read what they're not ready to understand. Life is choice. Especially in the matter of clicking a link, and opening ones self to new thoughts.

Man you are one paranoid little dude kratos face! (still can't read your posts GW, wish I could)......B






no tunes for you....

...but it's alright for those free thinkers/free speakers to spit out all the insults they want? Whatever gets you through your day. Keep on crying intolerance and dishing it out it the same breath. I expected a little more from "open minded" individuals.

Good point Kratos

Well said GW...and I say...why stick to the status quo

Speak freely!!!!!!!

I do..I speak freely on both sides..religious or non religious and I get called a butt kisser for speaking for one side..but the one calling me the butt kisser,,,is blind...doesnt care about the other side..lol


GO GW & KRATOS.....


f this makes BM a butt kisser...then *takes out chap stick...gets ready....and nahhhhh BM just realized...she aint no butt kisser...if a fool says she is..then why answer the fool*


Carry on

I've noticed that the people who like to shout out "butt kisser!" when an opposing opinion to theirs is voiced are usually equally willing to have you on "their team" when you voice an opinion they agree with. One minute you're the objective speaker of truth (because they agree with you) and the next you're a subjective brown noser (because you disagree with them). You're nobody's butt kisser BM... you're your own woman.

Exactly Kratos.........it's like walking on egg shells...I had one that classes himself christian, call me a butt kisser, all because I can see BOTH sides of the coin...but that wasn't good enough, according to him, the ignorant one, I MUST only kiss the butt of a christian.....................the childishness of it all stuns me!! ohh look BM has a talent, she can agree with BOTH sides..that butt kisser LMAO
If you speak your mind, telling it how it all looks to you..............some idiot will flame you...crying out IM BEING BASHED..SOMEONE SPOKE THEIR MIND...OHH MY GAWD...THE INSOLENCE OF IT ALL....I THINK I AM GOING TO FAINT *swoons* !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Aww TY Shadow...yes I am my OWN woman..I have a FREE MIND..to say what I think....but only a FOOL would class me as a butt kisser, only becausde I dont agree with THEIR ignorant posts!! LMAO

Do you often ask a question, project the answer and then assume a defensive posture to the answer you just provided yourself, because you take umbrage to the answer you provided yourself!? That's a little one sided, don't you think!? Maybe not representative of the whole picture.

People are free to speak. People are free to think. People are free think they object to what is said. People do not have the right to make that choice, for anyone else. It's simply a matter of discretion. If one doesn't like what is offered as conversation, they can simply choose not to participate. It's like life, these boards. Not every topic is going to resonate to everyone's sensibility. That's a given. What is not a given, is those that object because they do not find merit in a topic, and as such try to derail, flame or intimidate those that do find merit and engage in the discourse the subject illicit, just to shut it down so no one that is interested may participate, because someone that isn't makes the choice for them that the subject isn't worthy of respect or dialog.

And if you'll notice, no one here has any problem about speaking their mind, if they see fit. Some remain quiet because they know, one does not need to say anything at all, to know in themselves they know what they're talking about. Those that try to intimidate points of view they find objectionable, don't make a point that they are correct in assuming that attitude. They prove they're not mature enough to recognize that while they may not find interest in certain topics discussed, they do not have a right to make that personal decision, for anyone else that does. And they're not entitled to derail, flame or verbally assault participants in a discussion that they find objectionable, either. And I think that is what Kratos is addressing, when he objects to such tactics being played against topics he presents from a non-believer point of view. If one doesn't agree with Atheism (as an example and relative to Kratos posts, to keep this OT), that's not a problem. When it becomes a problem is when people that hold no respect for Atheism, attempt to disrespect the thread and the participants by making that point clear, from a personal and differing point of view.

It wouldn't be tolerated in real life, face to face. I don't know why it's a surprise there are objections, on-line.

You believe as you believe. I believe as I believe. That's never been the problem. I've stated my objections time and again and it's gotten me nowhere. I ask someone to respect another's religious choice, and I get kicked in the ass by the very people who rant and rave about everyone else failing to respect their choice. In the end, we're all as intolerant as those we speak out against. Disagree if you want, but it's true. I'm done with trying to appeal to anyone's sensibilities, because as a whole, we have none.

I have no problem with anyone's beliefs. The trouble is how people choose to exercise their beliefs in respect to the rest of the world. Our true natures are exposed by the choices we make everyday.

A better world is within our reach, we have only to embrace it.
Free speech is anything but free.

Take care of yourselves.

I enjoy Kratos threads. Tact, of course, is not requisite to holding an opinion and to that I say, to each their own. I don't have to agree with how someone voices their opinion, to appreciate the topic for which they seek a dialog and others opinion .


If it was a matter of respect for an individuals personal faith, or lack there of, I imagine you'd have a great number of threads to apply your complaints to. From the alleged christians that claim to be tolerant and prove they're anything but, as they verbally abuse membership. To those that post threads just to invite insults to a particular non-mainstream community of members on board, so that all those that play the victim card in other threads critical of Theism, can have their verbal revenge as one cohesive unit of hypocrites.
If it was a matter of respect, you could very well copy and paste your objection above, into any number of threads not posted by Kratos, on any given day, so that the issue that concerns you regarding respect for other peoples personal faith, might be an issue addressed fairly, instead of particularly, in this matter.

Reading through this thread (the type that I seldom look at), the above statement was the one that stood out to me. Most of the older members here know my story, I am a 3rd generation Deist, son of a Deist, Grandson of a Deist. I grew up in a small cotton-farming community deep in the "Bible Belt". As a child, I was taunted by the good Christian children of the town (the heretics and agnostics were my only friends) constantly. I have been called "Atheist", "Fool", "Idiot" and many unprintable names because I did not subscribe to their silly Asian superstition. If it had only been the kids, that would have been okay; their parents used to tell me that I was going to burn in Hell for all eternity and that they would be sitting in Heaven watching and laughing...quite the good loving thing to tell a grammar school kid! While I was a member of Military Intel, I had reason to accompany a unit in Bosnia. We found a village of Muslims that had been lined up and executed (Men, Women and CHILDREN) by Serbian Christian Militia. I held the still warm body of a two year old that had been shot in the head, her only sin, she was a Muslim! Christians cry about how they are presecuted, but my experience is that they are one of the main persecuters in the world! Kratos has a very valid point, religion kills and the sooner it disappears or is moderated to where it does not control the weak-minded to the point they do violence in the name of their god, the better. This is not an all out attack against Christians - in my 65+ years, I have found that the vast majority of Christians are good, moral, likeable and kind people. People who try to live as they think they should, that follow the universal (Jesus was just one of many that expounded it) Golden Rule. I am proud to call many of the Christians on this board as my friends (as, I am sure, does Kratos) and only have contempt for those that let religion benight their minds.