ok... i was thinking can we acualy see aliens???
can they actualy see us?

we as humans see things because of light what if alians lived in a place were there was none therefore they wouldnt see with there eyes they would have to "see" things with other senses...like snakes thier tongue they pick up vibrations in the air...

could there be alians walking around our planet right now ....i recently watched " What the Bleep do we know" and one exaple was that when columbus sailed to america the native indians couldnt see his ship...because they hadnt seen anything like it before, they didnt think it existed...therefore didnt see them....maybe we dont see aliens because we havent "seen" them

?? wat do you think ??

Maybe... Because we wouldn't now what they look like, your best friend gould be an alien!

That is a good point. Our brains really don't deal with "novel" information all that well. If an "alien" was so unlike anything our brain has ever experienced it might just shove that new information off to the side and not place it into our conscious awareness.

...groan.

Just because they can't see us, doesn't mean we can't see them.



I agree with this, but I don't think thats what the OP meant.



Ha ha. Yeah.

I like this way of thinking - in a philosophical sense.

This reminds me of when I used to play hide-and-seek as a child... I would cover my eyes, and hide behind a broomstick -- as long as I couldn't see them, they couldn't see me.

Good times...

yer thts wat i mean like they could be walking among us and we wouldnt know

In case you haven't noticed animals who don't use their eyes to see may not be able to see us, but we can still see them.

With the case of Columbus, I don't quite understand what you are saying, well that's a lie, I do but it seems far too irrational to consider and I'm hoping I misunderstood.

I'd think that the reasons we couldn't see them wouldn't be because we've never seen them before, but that we would be incapable of seeing them or incapable of distinguishing them from things we've already seen.

Hi Midnight Dusk:

Yes, I believe we can see aliens and aliens can see us. I think that maybe the Indians weren't able to see the the ship because they had never even imagined such a thing. Aliens are now a part of society. We read about them, hear about them on the radio. So I believe that society is familiar with the concept of aliens. Also, one idea is that aliens(specifically, Reptilians) are a human archetype, in which a "primordial image" resides in the collective imagination of a people, expressed in myths and in the figurative dimension of literature: exile, rebirth, earth goddess, etc.

I believe they are walking around our planet right now sometimes unnoticed. I also believe they have invisibility technology in which they can appear invisible and/or implement "selective invisibility" in which they appear visible to some people and not others.

The problem is your entire theory is based off of a movie that has been proven false.

The movie also relates a story about Native Americans being unable to see Christopher Columbus' ships. However, there is no mention of this in any of the journals of those voyages, and the oral traditions of the local population were lost in the following 150 years of Spanish rule. The story in the film may be a garbled and mis-interpreted version of an incident described in Carl Sagan's Cosmos. Episode XIII describes an oral retelling of how the Tlingit encountered the La Pérouse expedition in the 1780s. The Tlingit were afraid to look directly at the ships at first, because they imagined that the ship and its sails were manifestations of Raven, who might turn them to stone. One of their party was an old man who was nearly blind, who decided to take a canoe in closer, and eventually understood the vessels and their crew for what they were.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_the_Bleep_Do_We_Know

I hope you learned your lesson OP, don't believe everything you read on the internet...geez I can't believe people actually believe this...

See below link for detailed scientific fact on how vision works...and grow up people

http://health.howstuffworks.com/eye1.htm

People, you really should lose the entire "Native Indians are just one notch above cavemen" mentality. For crying out loud, UFOs and spirits appearing in full physical form have been an integral part of the entire South and North American Indian culture for many thousands of years. If my people reportedly consorted with spiritual beings, built the Mexican pyramids and temples, Saw UFOs, had visionquests where many of the things seen were highly unusual, then we were certainly capable of seeing a water craft of assembled wood with some cloth and rope attached to it.

Europeans did not invent boats for crissakes.

Don't you find it odd that "Native Indians" actually seem to De-Evolve over the years?

There is an Egyptian vase in the British Museum, believed to date to 6000 BC, with a picture of a ship with a mast and a square sail.

yer they are just a certain race of people who have different beleifs and should not be shunned.

I believe that if you haven't a belief towards something, you're less likely to experience it than you would if you believed in it. I think it's the power of believing that allows people to see extraterrestrial craft, while others can't.

So we dont know Aliens exists? So we dont see them? I hate this whole ide, what sh*th*ad came up with this nonsense. I can only understand it if i make myself think dumber. Sry, thinking about this makes my head spin

well its not as far fetched as it sounds... youd have to read up on it.

i still think its BS though ^^

.....i do see what you mean, although id say that applies more for something like god, with faith.
as opposed to ufos where they are an Actual thing/object/phenomenon that people experience and witness. even the people who dont believe in them will see it.

It's hard to explain. I guess it's a subconscious fear in seeing something that you cannot explain that keeps you from actually seeing it...

I'd say if they're there you will see them whether you like it or not. Like Donald Trump. Only wetter.

with the "native american's and seeing or not seeing" - could 'seeing' = understanding? In that they could not understand what they were seeing? These ships were beyond their current understanding? (If inddeed this is even true... which I have my doubts, that because they didn't understand - they didn't see it.)

But the thing I keep finding interesting is that some "believers" - have taken the stand of "Belief" - "Faith" - see it as one would see/understand "God". Why do we need to 'go here' - it seems IMO that this is an act of 'desperation' - that because the facts are simply not coming forward - it had to be moved into the realm of "religious faith".

The thing is that this step of "religious faith" is one more step into why it's not going to be taken seriously by the science community. This is being moved into the same "Focal Point" as Creation -vs- Evolution, in my opinion. We know what no small issues that has created!

Of course we would be able to see them.

They are living things right?

Unless even if they cast vote to pay us an official visit, we might get a real good chance of saying hi.

What do threadstarter means by "can we really see them anyway?"

Ever heard of the Reflectivity technique? The entities we call aliens are all around us. We don't 'see' them because their atoms are not reflected toward us. What we 'see' is the spectrum reflection. There is a visible light spectrum that is just a small width of the true spectrum. But, the story of the natives not 'seeing' the ships is wrong because the natives had ships too. They knew what ships looked like. The fathers of the natives came to this continent by ship from the tip of South America or that is where my ancestors came from and I am Cherokee.
I think the opposite is true. The native people did not like the sailors stealing their food they had stored for the winter without saying a word so they started killing the thieves and they were eliminated by the power of another people.

yer...thats wat i meant uve just put in technical terms

I just posted one of my word poems on the writers forum, and it seems appropos to paste this one here as well:

ALIENS

Aliens abduct you, and take you on their ship,
Lay you on a table, then insert a microchip,
In your nose a long cold rod,
Every orifice they will prod,
Natal implants, stealing younguns,
Screams can't save us from the aliens...

LOL!

lol thats gud...how long did it take u to come up with that?

Not very long. I write word poems, LOL. (need to get a life) See my fah-bulous poetry on the writers forum, LOL!

How 'bout a spaceman?

SPACEMAN

Solemnly his huge black eyes,
Peer down and gaze my way,
Antennas hum and start to rise,
Could be this ain't my day...
Exhaust fumes puff as he comes near,
Maybe I'll just do an about face, man!
As he comes close, I quake in fear!
Nuts and bolts?? Ha, what a screwy spaceman!!

Would you believe a starship?

STARSHIP

Silver fuselage, bright light,
Tiny portholes, too,
Ascending down on this cold night,
Right in front of you,
SETI needs to be informed!
Here on Earth, a Mars ship!
"Inquirer" and tabloids were warned, no
Photos of this starship!

No one has yet. Thus, if you're one of those who "believe" that aliens are visiting us, and have been, then logically, one would have to answer no, we cannot see them.
As to the latter question: who knows? We've never established their existence, so the question is a little premature.

I have no problem with the existance of UFOs, I just dont believe that they are ETI on a visit.

Let me put it like this, when the existance of extraterrestrials becomes science fact insted of science fiction, when accepted world wide by scientists and tought in schools all over the world, thats when Ill become a "true beliver".

Im sick of eye-witness testimony, they mean NOTHING in the world of hard scientific evidence of aliens on Earth, like I said before, there has been so many hoaxes and liers over the years so to be taken serious, about something of this importance, you need physical evidence that can be examined at leisure by skeptical scientists, a scraping of the whole object / alien spaceship, and the discovery that it contains isotopic ratios that arent present on earth, chemical elements form the so-called island of stability, very heavy elements that dont exist on earth. Or materials of absolutely bizarre properties that dont exist in this star system.

There are many things that would instantly give serious credence to an account.

So far I havent seen any.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_of_stability

Actually, scientist and engineers who were involved in the observation and tracking of their experimental assets have documented and stated for the record that the "flying saucers" they were observing and tracking were extraterrestrial vehicles, including "flying saucers" that were observed hovering some 200 miles above the earth's surface. Not only the scientist and engineers at White Sands, New Mexico, but scientist and engineers in Minnesota and at Wright-Patterson AFB as well.

What do you think the purpose of these Aliens are that are here? have they made contact with us? contact with the government? How did the government convince them to remain a secret if there intentions were good and they could communicate with us?

Since so many different "body styles" of UFOs are reported, and also so many varying physical attributes of aliens, sometimes I think it's possible that millions of different types of aliens have visited the planet Earth from millions of other planets. And perhaps their purpose(s) for visiting Earth are to observe/study/monitor an underdeveloped planet...

I suspect any contact with the government (which I doubt) was "unintentional," and undoubtedly left our government more baffled and confused than before the contact....

I highly doubt that our government communicates with aliens. Moreover, even if our government did communicate with aliens, I don't think our government COULD convince them to DO or NOT DO anything, much less "remain a secret"... Personally, I wonder if aliens' intentions are good...

I can't say why they are here nor can I say what goes on behind the closed doors of our government nor those of others around the globe.

Many folks in government, including those in the military, have already stated on the record that alien visitation is a reality and one can only look at the history of military encounters around the world to see that something is going on in our skies, not to mention UFO encounters involving commercial airliners and private aircraft. There have been cases where UFOs have shut down our nuclear missiles and they seem to have a special interest in our nuclear facilities.

I might add that J. Allen Hynek was once a UFO skeptic until he began his investigation into the UFO enigma to where he became a UFO skeptic no more. Apparently, he saw something within the framework of his UFO investigations to where he decided to shed his skeptism.

Here's how i see it: If the Aliens are more intelligent than us they are going to have cloaking technology as even humans have almost got this one sorted... so effectivly they could be all around us in our skies etc and we would never know... once infrared becomes more common on camera we may start to see some strange things happening.