A man accused of killing, dissecting and eating another man has gone on trial in central Germany. The court heard how horror films had fuelled Arwan Meiwes's childhood fantasies of eating school friends. The 41-year-old computer technician is charged with murder, even though the victim allegedly volunteered for his fate by replying to an internet advert.

The gruesome incident was all captured on camcorder and the footage is expected to form part of the evidence.

"I had the fantasy, and in the end I fulfilled it," he said. The fantasy first developed between the ages of eight and 12, he added.

Mr Meiwes spoke of how he felt ignored by his father, and longed for a good-looking younger brother - whom he would bind to himself forever by consuming.

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...some people should really just be regarded in the same light as rabid dogs, and put down...honestly

"I had the fantasy, and in the end I fulfilled it,"

no wonder he is smiling

well to be honest if the guy was willing i dont see much wrong here....soz but thats how i feel, i mean its not like the guy attacked the guy and murdered him against his on will

Thats weird, eating other people. Deet!!!

Wow! Eating other people, that's just sick!

The scary thing is he could only get 5 years if convicted, even though they are pushing for a life sentence. Sad thing is, you know someone will be sick enough to publish his memoirs.

Is that a bit of flesh stuck between his front teeth, lol… Sorry couldn’t resist.

Just shows it takes all sorts to make this spinning ball of dust go round!

Seraphina , in all honesty you can't go putting them down . but if you could put them in a petrie dish and study them that would be cool ...


Tell me who's worse ? the psycho or the psycho studier . Personally I would love to disect someone like this ......... with a glass of chiante

Wrong forum Phantom, this should be in the "World Of The Bizarre"


















Joking
BTW your old avtar was much, much better

maybe the guy had a death wish and wanted to help this guy fulfil his fantasy

anyway i read this article Here

what i dont get is why he stabbed him to death, why not something a bit more humane

well that clears that up

So you're saying that the guy on the menu didn't plan on being killed? That the cannibal didn't plan on killing him? What was he planning on doing without his penis and legs? That would be an interesting story to hear in the emergency room.

If the guy did know that he would die, I don't understand the part of it being a fantasy. I thought the idea of a fantasy was for something desirable to be thought about, and to be enjoyed while it happened and to be thought of fondly after it was over. It just seems strange to me for a fantasy to be of a bizarre way to die.

Babyforrest, no the victim wanted to be killed allright, and he even preferred to be killed in the most pain inflicting way possible.

The killer / cannibal actually didn't want to hurt his victim too much. He only wanted to eat him. However, the victim convinced the killer to vigorously stab him to death.

Like I said... strange, strange people.

This is definitely the stuff of horror movies, but if these seriously messed up people want to eat each other, let 'em! Good riddance for the rest of the world! At least this guy isn't eating innocent people.

Way deep down inside some people, there are dark things, and if the conditions are right (or wrong, I guess I should say) those things get brought to the surface. For example, someone who was abused as a child might grow up to be a psycho killer. Like it or not, there is a dark side to human nature, one that isn't exposed too often, thank God, but is there all the same. This is a case where it was brought to the surface for the world to see.

yeah i know what you mean AdrielKelsick i like to taste my own blood

Gah!!!! C'mon for God's sake!!! This guy is mentally unbalanced, how can anyone argue that this was euthanasia?!?!? That idiot should burn in hell. Five years of a sentence? That can't be for real, I mean look at the guy! He's going to smile all the way to the bank if he get's such a reduced sentence. He's more than likely to appear as a guest on some twisted radio show as "the man who ate another man". The problem with these people is that they shouldn't be allowed to walk the streets, becuse let's face it, anyone with the desire of eating another human being has got to have some deeper darker trauma and inclinations (don't ask me what is darker than eating someone 'coz I don't know). This has been a complete disrespect of the law and society, and comparing it to a religious ceremony, especially communion makes me want to smash the teeth out of his mouth with my bare hands. I hope he rots in a cell for the rest of his days as a little 'girlfriend' to some fat German called Bubba (or equivalent). Then again he might not last the week in there...

Again I think killing him is not the best option , this guy can teach us alot about this bizzare behavior .


Check out this story that was linked on the same page...

Armin Meiwes, the German who is standing trial for eating an acquaintance, has advised others not to follow his example. Cannibalism: A modern taboo

Kismit, I generally do not understand what this individual may 'teach' us in any shape or form. These individuals have a sick pathos. There is no need to 'understand' them at all. This was a sick fantasy shared by two equal psychopaths where one drew the short straw per se. The only thing that we need to know is how long is this man's sentence is going to last. Let us remind everybody that the fact that this act was consensual does not imply that it was right. These men both broke laws to achieve a fantasy, God knows what other sort of criminal acts the survivor may actually perfrom. In summary... starve the idiot in the cell and see if he'd cut his own sexual organ and eat it... unlikely.

so vox just because he is "differant" it means he should starve in jail?

no wonder tha won't visit for tea

Vox, there is much we could learn from these individuals. For one, look at schizophrenic's. We have learned how to control their behaiver to a certain degree... if we simply locked them all up, we would be in the wrong, not the schizophrenic. we do need to try and understand these people, so we can stop this sort of thing from happening in the future

I do agree that neither party really should have done what they did... but and this situation is not an easy one... did the victom want to die originally? or just have sections of himself eaten? either way is very strange!

I dont feel one should be allowed to kill another, regardless if they do want to die or not... If you want to die, do it yourself.

i'm having a hard time trying to figure out which is sicker... wanting to eat someone, or wanting to have someone eat you!!!

Vox , in my line of work I quite often have to deal with things that go wrong , so I have learnt that when something bad happens you must take the problem apart to be able to trully fix it and stop it from happening again .
Here is my humble and rather uneducated opinion , this man is not quite the full quid (was worth it wasn't it ). I would also like more proof on the fact that the victim was a volunteer, I haven't followed anywhere near enough of it to be able to say for sure .
The actuall crime appears to be an act of power and a sexuall one at that . Starting with the consumption of the penis and having the victim eat it also and ending in the violent multiple stabbing which is most certainly a sexuall act . I would in no way be suprised if Mr Miewes has not only been sexually molested as a child but even lent out to friends by someone who was supposed to be taking care of him and was supposed to be in a postion of trust .
If we can find out enough about why someone becomes like this we can hopefully stop it from re-accuring .and in turn break a cycle that creates these things

UPDATE:

Cannibal: "I had other volunteers"

Meiwes testified that he had at least five other respondents to his Internet ads at his home but let them go - including a teacher who offered himself as a "devoted pig for slaughter."

Full article | Source: CBS News

Not much else I can add here, that hasn't been said OR thought.

I swear I'll still prefer four footed critters over those with two feet.
Gadz.........

I do realise the point you guys are trying to make, but my counter argument is that paedophilia, rape and all other forms of violent acts have been around ever from the first crack of dawn, and no matter how much we would like to study them (and indeed we do) paedophilia, rape, etc are still around, and unfortuanately will never dissipate. There is no difference between studying a person with Guillan Bare syndrome and a cannibal if the intention is trying to understand the pathology and prevent it, however the difference between these two distinct scenarios is that the person with Guillan Bare will be able to be treated wheras the cannibal will not. Apart from the fact (using the same scenario) you can only diagnose someone with Guillan Bare syndrome when they actually have been afflicted with the condition, the same as you can only diagnose someone of cannibalism when they have eat someone, which of course seems to be irrelevant at that stage since they already have eat that person. Another problem may arise if we ever 'discover' the symptoms to cannibalism, since we really can't convict (and subsequently treat) a person for cannibalism before the act has occured 'a la Minority Report' style. Hence the idea of trying to understand this gentleman (oxymoron?) is beyond pragmatic reasoning, since there is plenty of evidence that rapists for example will repeat offend after they have been 'rehabilitated' (for lack of a better word), therefore the investigation of this madness would be an innecessary use of Govermental funds (taxes). Solution? Lock him up and throw away the key, which would be a detriment to all but the most insane of people.

Ok... now to answer other UM members statements...

Hmm. Why eat people when youve got plenty of cows to go around? Moe wants steak and hamburgers. mmmm.

I love bacon . Bacon is awesome .

I wonder what causes someone to resort to cannibalism ... maybe they have some alien gene ... or they are just crazy

Even if cannibalism isn't illegal in Germany, I think that suicide is. I could be wrong, though. I'm not sure who's sicker, the person that has the fanasy to eat someone else, or the one that has the fantasy to be eaten and partakes on the meal before he dies by eating his own penis (which I'm still not sure how that can be a fantasy).

I prefer chicken myself....

Vox I underdstand your point , however I disagree that we can't learn anything form or about pedaphiles , rapists and cannibals .
We have learnt that pedophilia is a cycle that is passed on , we have learnt many ways for women to defend themselves against an attacker and so on and so .

As for your genenral phsycopath , one of the most important things we need to learn is how to spot one before the problems are caused . Diagnosable phsycopaths have generally spent a life time learning behaviors that don't come naturally to them . How to pretend affection and caring or sympathy however they do not actually poses the skills to experience these things . This makes them very hard to spot and the reason why we quite often here neighbours of a serial killer saying things like "he seemed like such a nice man a pillar of the comunity " .
For example ,Geoffrey Dahmar did comunity work at the local hospital , dressing up as a clown for the kids .
I believe there are things we can learn from studying it's just that there is an awfull lot of study to do ..

This isn't Seraphina, Kismit. This is your good friend baby. And I did say before that I couldn't understand how this could be a fantasy of somebody's. I thought a fantasy was something gratifying that a person enjoyed thinking about, enjoyed it while it occurred, and enjoyed thinking about it after it was over. How can a fantasy be about a bizarre way to die? It doesn't make sense to me, but I was assured that it was true, that he was a willing participant.

I agree with you that if there is something to be learned from these individuals that they should be studied. But if there isn't then they should be locked away until it can be assured that they will never harm another person again. Capital punishment is another argument altogether.

Oops!! Sorry Baby I sometimes suffer from bouts of spontaneus dislexia . At least the local widows group ended up with a window seat the other day because of it ..

And The post was meant to show my agreement with you .. So that's not all bad then