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PsiSeeker
This just hit me as an interesting question tongue.gif. In the bible Jesus said that he will return one day. Well if he does return, in the physical form, and came out and told evry1 that he was Jesus he'd be labled as a crackpot tongue.gif. I think there have actually been several incidents where people were convinced that they were the son of God, or in some case, God himself. I think they got sent to loony homes or commited suicide I'm not 100% sure. Seriously lol.. how do we know? When he turns water into wine infront of our eyes?

(note, I used "he" for jesus in the clasical way it was used in the bible, I'm not applying that if Jesus returned one day he'd be a male or female, tbh, I find the thought of Jesus being female rather comforting tongue.gif)
Devol
I think there's supposed to be an announcement followed by a laser show and a bunch of sky diving Elvis impersonators.
*shrugs*
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lil gremlin
QUOTE(PsiSeeker @ Apr 28 2007, 01:34 AM) [snapback]1649511[/snapback]
This just hit me as an interesting question tongue.gif. In the bible Jesus said that he will return one day. Well if he does return, in the physical form, and came out and told evry1 that he was Jesus he'd be labled as a crackpot tongue.gif. I think there have actually been several incidents where people were convinced that they were the son of God, or in some case, God himself. I think they got sent to loony homes or commited suicide I'm not 100% sure. Seriously lol.. how do we know? When he turns water into wine infront of our eyes?

(note, I used "he" for jesus in the clasical way it was used in the bible, I'm not applying that if Jesus returned one day he'd be a male or female, tbh, I find the thought of Jesus being female rather comforting tongue.gif)


if he did he'd better do the flying in on a thundercloud wielding the sword of truth trick, otherwise noone would take him seriously. grin2.gif
in psychiatry i believe the condition is relatively common. It usually goes away when they try to cruicify themselves...its a really negative way to commit suicide, no matter how hard you try you can never get the last nail in.
R3LOAD
I think if jesus came back he would come as an animal. humans blew their chance wink2.gif
Ghost Ship
Jesus will return in Hollywood and make a whole bunch of movies. Then he will move to L.A. and become a hotshot producer. How else can he convince the world of his power? If he levitated people and turned water into wine no one would believe it nowadays. Jesus will come back through the media somehow i believe.

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Shankpin
QUOTE(Dark_Ambient @ Apr 27 2007, 07:52 PM) [snapback]1649529[/snapback]
How else can he convince the world of his power? If he levitated people and turned water into wine no one would believe it nowadays. Jesus will come back through the media somehow i believe.

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Wonder how long Chris Angel will stay in power in the media-
glorybebe
QUOTE(Sunny98 @ Apr 27 2007, 05:56 PM) [snapback]1649536[/snapback]
Wonder how long Chris Angel will stay in power in the media-


That's who I thought of when I read
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If he levitated people and turned water into wine no one would believe it nowadays
lil gremlin
if he did come back he would have a hard time to outdo chris angel, he'd have to step up a gear.
bumblesue
QUOTE(PsiSeeker @ Apr 28 2007, 12:34 AM) [snapback]1649511[/snapback]
This just hit me as an interesting question tongue.gif. In the bible Jesus said that he will return one day. Well if he does return, in the physical form, and came out and told evry1 that he was Jesus he'd be labled as a crackpot tongue.gif. I think there have actually been several incidents where people were convinced that they were the son of God, or in some case, God himself. I think they got sent to loony homes or commited suicide I'm not 100% sure. Seriously lol.. how do we know? When he turns water into wine infront of our eyes?

(note, I used "he" for jesus in the clasical way it was used in the bible, I'm not applying that if Jesus returned one day he'd be a male or female, tbh, I find the thought of Jesus being female rather comforting tongue.gif)


the bible says that if someone tells you that jesus is around the corner don't go because it is not him. when jesus returns the whole world will see him. there will be no doubt about if its him. by the way some really interesting answers.lol
Shankpin
On a serious *note* I know some people (who right now) sincerely believe that Chris Angel is "the antichrist!" I mean considering the signs that the OP stated like levitating people, and media control etc. comparing it to Christ's return- I find it pretty EERy!!

Jesus did make it very clear he would appear from the clouds, and not walk on the earth again. :]
PsiSeeker
QUOTE(Sunny98 @ Apr 28 2007, 02:26 AM) [snapback]1649618[/snapback]
On a serious *note* I know some people (who right now) sincerely believe that Chris Angel is "the antichrist!" I mean considering the signs that the OP stated like levitating people, and media control etc. comparing it to Christ's return- I find it pretty EERy!!

Jesus did make it very clear he would appear from the clouds, and not walk on the earth again. :]


Lol Christ Angel the "antichrist" pfft, he only does what he does for publicity I recon tongue.gif. This 1 ep the guy was suspended from like this crane thing, he was scared sh**less up there, everything he does is trickery ( cool to watch but grin2.gif ), tbh I like David Blaine better neways tongue.gif grin2.gif

Lol interesting answers guys tongue.gif.. But yeah, if some random walked up to me in the street wielding a lightning bolt I'd instantly start to try and figure out the special effects behind it. I wouldn't immediatly think "Omg, its Jesus!" How would we identify him if he came back anyways?
m. Moe
QUOTE(R3LOAD @ Apr 27 2007, 06:49 PM) [snapback]1649528[/snapback]
I think if jesus came back he would come as an animal. humans blew their chance wink2.gif

rolleyes.gif Wow, you sure do seem to hate humans, and yet you are one.

He won't come. That statement and belief was just put there so people don't stop believing in God in hope of Jesus' return.
MUM24/7
QUOTE(devol @ Apr 28 2007, 10:46 AM) [snapback]1649525[/snapback]
I think there's supposed to be an announcement followed by a laser show and a bunch of sky diving Elvis impersonators.
*shrugs*
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Mr Walker
In a way, we all have the potential to be the sons of god.

When the world's population was divided into the followers of cain and of abel, the followers of cain were called the sons of man, while the followers of abel were known as the sons of god, because they maintained a faithful worship of him. Thus, when the bible talks about the sons of god taking the daughters of men, it just refers to the godly descendants of abel taking wives from the ungodly descendants of cain. This was considered unwise, because biblically it weakened the descendants of abel to the point where sin was so prevelant that only noah and his family could be saved.

This quote is often misinterpreted as angels or nephilim being the sons of god, but the new testament also refers to followers of god as "sons of god" and jesus says that we become his brothers and sisters, and that our father is in heaven. The bible also makes it clear that angels can not marry or take in marriage, ie have sexual relationships with humans.

So, biblically, if you are a follower of jesus you are a son of god.

Like jesus, we are created in god's image. Generally, we lack the spiritual connection and the ability to work miracles that his nature as a part of god gave him, but sometimes god confers partial abilities on people, which is only possible beause of their innate resemblance to god. Thus, an animal or inanimate object cannot have such powers transferred to them.

Modern miracles occur all the time and to many diverse people. They are not recognised as such by most people any more, and yes there is a danger that you will be categorised as crazy if you happen to be the recipient of such miracles, let alone claim to be able to work them.
None the less ,among many cultures, and even western people with religious faith, they are seen and recognised for what they have always been. The direct and tangible intervention of god into lives which are otherwise determined by forces we see as natural or scientifically acceptable.
The bible is quite clear. When jesus returns, all will recognise him. His followers will rise up to meet him, and the others will tremble and try to hide themselves, just as adam and eve did in the presence of god, and in the knowledge of their sin.
PsiSeeker
QUOTE(Mr Walker @ Apr 28 2007, 06:03 AM) [snapback]1649758[/snapback]
In a way, we all have the potential to be the sons of god.

When the world's population was divided into the followers of cain and of abel, the followers of cain were called the sons of man, while the followers of abel were known as the sons of god, because they maintained a faithful worship of him. Thus, when the bible talks about the sons of god taking the daughters of men, it just refers to the godly descendants of abel taking wives from the ungodly descendants of cain. This was considered unwise, because biblically it weakened the descendants of abel to the point where sin was so prevelant that only noah and his family could be saved.

This quote is often misinterpreted as angels or nephilim being the sons of god, but the new testament also refers to followers of god as "sons of god" and jesus says that we become his brothers and sisters, and that our father is in heaven. The bible also makes it clear that angels can not marry or take in marriage, ie have sexual relationships with humans.

So, biblically, if you are a follower of jesus you are a son of god.

Like jesus, we are created in god's image. Generally, we lack the spiritual connection and the ability to work miracles that his nature as a part of god gave him, but sometimes god confers partial abilities on people, which is only possible beause of their innate resemblance to god. Thus, an animal or inanimate object cannot have such powers transferred to them.

Modern miracles occur all the time and to many diverse people. They are not recognised as such by most people any more, and yes there is a danger that you will be categorised as crazy if you happen to be the recipient of such miracles, let alone claim to be able to work them.
None the less ,among many cultures, and even western people with religious faith, they are seen and recognised for what they have always been. The direct and tangible intervention of god into lives which are otherwise determined by forces we see as natural or scientifically acceptable.
The bible is quite clear. When jesus returns, all will recognise him. His followers will rise up to meet him, and the others will tremble and try to hide themselves, just as adam and eve did in the presence of god, and in the knowledge of their sin.


Maybe, but as soon as you claim to be you'd be labled as a crackpot tongue.gif.

Mr Walker
Fortunately, today people require proof of everything, even being a crackpot, so as long as I am certifiably sane, why should i care what i am labelled? One instance of serendipity I guess same level of evidence required to prove i am a crackpot as for people to believe in the existence of god devil.gif
PsiSeeker
QUOTE(Mr Walker @ Apr 28 2007, 07:05 AM) [snapback]1649789[/snapback]
Fortunately, today people require proof of everything, even being a crackpot, so as long as I am certifiably sane, why should i care what i am labelled? One instance of serendipity I guess same level of evidence required to prove i am a crackpot as for people to believe in the existence of god devil.gif


Man, just as soon as you IMPLY your Jesus or, in some of the most extreme cases, God u'd be certified as sane. Meh, this is all assuming that Jesus might actually be coming back in the physical form tongue.gif. Who knows :S
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(PsiSeeker @ Apr 28 2007, 01:34 AM) [snapback]1649511[/snapback]
This just hit me as an interesting question tongue.gif. In the bible Jesus said that he will return one day. Well if he does return, in the physical form, and came out and told evry1 that he was Jesus he'd be labled as a crackpot tongue.gif. I think there have actually been several incidents where people were convinced that they were the son of God, or in some case, God himself. I think they got sent to loony homes or commited suicide I'm not 100% sure. Seriously lol.. how do we know? When he turns water into wine infront of our eyes?

(note, I used "he" for jesus in the clasical way it was used in the bible, I'm not applying that if Jesus returned one day he'd be a male or female, tbh, I find the thought of Jesus being female rather comforting tongue.gif)



**** PLEASE PAY ATTENTION***

Ok im not a christian..but will try and give a christian responce to HOW I understand it all


The catholic church says -- Jesus will come again, to judge the living and the dead

So...If and when he does come, there wont be TIME for all this - Prove it Jesus..turn this into wine go on prove it.......<-----------no time for that nonsence.............. cuz if and when he comes, the Judging will begin, and you wont have a leg to stand on..................all you will know is...you time will come.................and when he gets to you, you WILL KNOW!!


thats what BM here thinks..if I where christian, thats what i would believe!! innocent.gif


*exits *
bumblesue
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Apr 28 2007, 05:01 PM) [snapback]1650245[/snapback]
**** PLEASE PAY ATTENTION***

Ok im not a christian..but will try and give a christian responce to HOW I understand it all
The catholic church says -- Jesus will come again, to judge the living and the dead

So...If and when he does come, there wont be TIME for all this - Prove it Jesus..turn this into wine go on prove it.......<-----------no time for that nonsence.............. cuz if and when he comes, the Judging will begin, and you wont have a leg to stand on..................all you will know is...you time will come.................and when he gets to you, you WILL KNOW!!
thats what BM here thinks..if I where christian, thats what i would believe!! innocent.gif
*exits *



you are so close. keep going girl
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(bumblesue @ Apr 28 2007, 06:08 PM) [snapback]1650251[/snapback]
you are so close. keep going girl

lol so close and yet so far away lol


I do try I guess....I just gave a responce, as if I were christain...cuz I remember my old catholic teachings..and thats what I have picked up from it!!

When he comes.....................you will know!! yes.gif even when you are dead and gone...............remember, he comes to judge the living and the dead!!!


Shadow_Hill
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Apr 28 2007, 06:21 PM) [snapback]1650265[/snapback]
When he comes.....................you will know!! yes.gif even when you are dead and gone...............remember, he comes to judge the living and the dead!!!


Now this has got me befuddled. How can he judge the dead... won't they already have been judged when they died?
PsiSeeker
QUOTE(Shadow_Hill @ Apr 28 2007, 10:45 PM) [snapback]1650659[/snapback]
Now this has got me befuddled. How can he judge the dead... won't they already have been judged when they died?


Lol, this might raise the question that "If Jesus comes wouldn't it be the end of the world?" or "If Jesus comes wouldn't the dead and the "lively" morph to become one?" And how exactly will he Judge someone? Like ":O u've been a naughty boy time for you to go to hell" original.gif Bm if what u say is true about the judging or, as i remember it, judgement day how would one be judged?
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(Shadow_Hill @ Apr 28 2007, 11:45 PM) [snapback]1650659[/snapback]
Now this has got me befuddled. How can he judge the dead... won't they already have been judged when they died?

Well from that quote I posted shadow, I think it must mean he will only judge when he comes, so those who are dead, are yet to be judged

But remember I only gave that from how I think a christian would look at it, that doesn't mean I look at it that way lol

Because, no one has come back to tell the tale, have they??...

Shadow_Hill
Well, this has started me googling like a mad person. It's fascinating, what some folks believe. I was just reading Wiki and got this:

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Wiki: The term resurrection of the dead is generally used to refer to the idea that the dead bodies of all or some of humanity will be reformed and rejoined with the soul at the end of the world.


I don't know quite how to take that. If we die and are judged then, does that mean that we'll be returned to our bodies and judged again? I shall feel like a yo-yo. wacko.gif

And imagine how these folks felt:
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William Miller and the Millerite Movement expected the second coming on October 22, 1844. The fact that this failed to happen the way people were expecting was later referred to as the Great Disappointment. Some Millerites continued to set dates; others founded the Seventh-day Adventist Church and the Advent Christian Church, which continued to expect the Second Coming but no longer set dates for it.


The Great Disappointment... bit of an understatement. blink.gif

I like this one:
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Televangelist Jack Van Impe has, over the years, predicted many specific years and dates for the second coming of Jesus, but has continued to move his prediction later. Many of these dates have already passed, and he recently pointed to 2012 as a possible date for the second coming. Van Impe no longer claims to know the exact date of the Second Coming, but quotes verses which imply that mankind should know when the second coming is near.


2012 isn't the date for Jesus' return... it's the year when aliens colonize the earth, as anyone who watches the X-Files will know. rolleyes.gif
Devol
QUOTE(Shadow_Hill @ Apr 29 2007, 08:52 AM) [snapback]1651297[/snapback]
2012 isn't the date for Jesus' return... it's the year when aliens colonize the earth, as anyone who watches the X-Files will know. rolleyes.gif


Dec. 21st, 2012 is the completion of twelfth B'ak'tun cycle of the Mayan calendar, a day of great spiritual importance. Some think it'll be Armageddon, some think it'll be the Apocalyspe. One way or another, with all the aliens hanging around, it'll be interesting. happy.gif

Poor E.T! He finally convinces his family to move to Earth, just in time for it to be destroyed! crying.gif
PsiSeeker
QUOTE(DeVoL @ Apr 29 2007, 02:45 PM) [snapback]1651385[/snapback]
Dec. 21st, 2012 is the completion of twelfth B'ak'tun cycle of the Mayan calendar, a day of great spiritual importance. Some think it'll be Armageddon, some think it'll be the Apocalyspe. One way or another, with all the aliens hanging around, it'll be interesting. happy.gif

Poor E.T! He finally convinces his family to move to Earth, just in time for it to be destroyed! crying.gif


Mhmm... May I ask just WHY Aliens would want to desotry Earth?
Shadow_Hill
QUOTE(PsiSeeker @ Apr 29 2007, 10:02 PM) [snapback]1651718[/snapback]
Mhmm... May I ask just WHY Aliens would want to desotry Earth?


They don't want to destroy it... they want to colonize it, and make us all slaves. But I have faith that Mulder and Scully will find some way to stop them. They'd have had a better chance if the Lone Gunmen were still alive though... oh my, I miss those guys.
PsiSeeker
QUOTE(Shadow_Hill @ Apr 29 2007, 09:14 PM) [snapback]1651729[/snapback]
They don't want to destroy it... they want to colonize it, and make us all slaves. But I have faith that Mulder and Scully will find some way to stop them. They'd have had a better chance if the Lone Gunmen were still alive though... oh my, I miss those guys.


Why but? I'm fairly certain that any alien force that has to capabilities of space travel isn't going to need us as slaves :\
bee
Well if Jesus DID exist....and if he IS going to come back.....I just wish he'd hurry up and DO it.

Direct appeal to Jesus...."Get a move on, mate....we could do with a bit of help RIGHT NOW!"
Shadow_Hill
QUOTE(PsiSeeker @ Apr 29 2007, 11:06 PM) [snapback]1651786[/snapback]
Why but? I'm fairly certain that any alien force that has to capabilities of space travel isn't going to need us as slaves :\


I'm not sure about that... I've seen the X-Files twice over and it gets so complicated I'll have to go back and watch it again.
Lotus Flower
QUOTE(Sunny98 @ Apr 28 2007, 03:26 AM) [snapback]1649618[/snapback]
Jesus did make it very clear he would appear from the clouds, and not walk on the earth again. :]

Maybe the "Return" is actually "Christ Consciousness" on Earth, hence why appearing from the clouds (which are above us) is quoted.

Isn't there also something in the Bible about "Many will come in my name....." etc, saying, not to believe those that say "I am He"?
PsiSeeker
QUOTE(bee @ Apr 29 2007, 10:22 PM) [snapback]1651802[/snapback]
Well if Jesus DID exist....and if he IS going to come back.....I just wish he'd hurry up and DO it.

Direct appeal to Jesus...."Get a move on, mate....we could do with a bit of help RIGHT NOW!"


Yeah lol... he can help us out with greenhouse gasses hunger in parts of africa and world wars and all this.. HOW tho is beyond me, Jesus had a fairly human personality in the bible, xcept for all those xtra "powaz", and there are some people that would probably feel just as sincerely about world wars and such but can't do anything about it neways.
PsiSeeker
QUOTE(Shadow_Hill @ Apr 29 2007, 11:59 PM) [snapback]1651938[/snapback]
I'm not sure about that... I've seen the X-Files twice over and it gets so complicated I'll have to go back and watch it again.


Isn't the x-files just science fiction?
Devol
QUOTE(PsiSeeker @ Apr 30 2007, 01:39 AM) [snapback]1652236[/snapback]
Isn't the x-files just science fiction?


That's what they WANT you to believe! lol

No, I have no idea what any extraterrestrial beings intentions are, I was playing off Shadow's post. Dec. 21st, the winter solstice, 2012 is the end of the Mayan calendar. Why it ends is beyond me, but it is supposed to be a big event for the world. If Josh were coming back, that'd be the day to do it!

The Mayans were vastly ahead of the time in their understanding of celestial arrangement. I believe Dec. 21st, 2012 is supposed to be the date of perfect celestial alignment. It's a pretty rare occurence, to say the least, so I'm sure something's going to happen, even if it's just Justin Timberlake admitting he's gay. wacko.gif

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