the bible says it =s not what goes into a body that defiles it, but what comes out. is smoking , drinking,smoking pot, drugs or over-eating a sin. the drugs, pot, and drinking would be because it changes you and you do thing you would not do if you had not taken, smoked, or drank the stuff. just wondering what your op is. thanks

I was always told that wasting food is a sin..........

now thats one i havent heard before. i will have to look into that. lol

bumble as a vegan what you eat, drink and how you care for your body will either add to its longevity or take from it..it depends on what iti is you are tryng to do as to how you treat it...the body can take alot of abuse but even then it has it limits... in our youth its very forgiving but this is not the case as we get older.....I am adamant of keepiing my vessel well cared for as it is how i am able to do the things i have chosen for myself to do......and as a model for my children i must practice what i preach and i am very serious when it comes to caring for the self......but i wouldn't call it a sin not to though ..you will reap what you sow anyways and often that is the best teacher........

my hat goes off to you sheri. you are alot stonger then me when it comes to that. i happen to be a beef eater. wish i wasnt. but there you go.lol

Drinking is a sin? Well I guess I'm in big trouble.

Defilement (imo) would be drugs/alc, overeating, undereating, anything considered not good for the body, even eating certain foods.. etc,.

Well I dont think drink and drugs would be so much because they are just substances.. which would come under things going into the body wouldnt it? So it would only be bad depending on how you were acting when on them? I mean they use wine dont they in some christian ceremonies? I'm not sure but if they drink alittle wine then I dont think its the actual substance that defiles the body, more like what can come from maybe over indulgence in the substance. I also wouldnt think pot would be because its a plant which was created by the same who created the rest. Some cultures use it to get closer to God I think so I guess it just depends on where you grew up and what culture you belong to on how its looked upon.

I think that quote just means it doesnt matter what happens to the body, it only matters what comes out of you... like in the words you speak which are either hurtful or not. And its the hurtful things inaway that come out of you that defiles you. So it doesnt matter on peoples body sizes or their health because of the body, because the body is not what is forever. It's the spirit that is, and its that which gets tainted when certain things are said or done which also somewhat stain the listener.

I have allways believed in moderation as the key to living a whole and healthy life. Sin has a major basis on personal ideals. Those who hate drinking or those who drink will judge that substance more harder than someone who is a gluton. I believe that it comes down to the level of use the person indulges in. The saying goes, treat your body like a temple. Subtance abuse in a way is self abuse. And sometimes it results in abuse towards others. The Lord did say drink wine and be merry, but that does not mean get completely **** faced and drown in your own vomit on a daily basis.

Hi bumblesue, this passage you quote, from Mark 8, was said by Jesus in relation to a question a Pharisee asked about how what he was doing was "unclean" (read the food laws in Leviticus 11 for more details). Jesus says that what you eat is not important, that just goes through the stomach and out the other side. It's what comes from within - sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malic, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance, folly - these are what defile a person.

As for smoking, drinking, drugs, etc, I think it's a little harder to answer than simply "yes" or "no". Paul says in his epistles somewhere that everything is permissable, but not everything is beneficial (not sure of the passage off the top of my head). There's no specific law about smoking or drinking (though the Bible does counsel against drinking to the point of drunkenness - something I've occassionally ignored ), or even illegal drugs. However, if a substance is illegal, regardless of the morality from a biblical point of view (an argument can be made for the medicinal benefits of marijuana, for example) the Bible also asks Christians to follow the laws of the authorities that are placed on earth. If a substance is illegal under earthly authorities then we as Christians should abide by that (see Romans 13 for more details).

So then a homosexual receiving a big hard penis up his clacker wouldnt be a sin? Because it only goes in and then comes out again because it is only physical? But if the homosexual receiving this big hard penis was very arrogant he would be sining because that comes from within and not only obstructs his spirituality but others?




I agree here. We are our own worst enemy.

There is no good, no bad, no crime and no sin.

If God is one, then what is bad?

Hi bnw, as I said in my previous post (it's been edited slightly, so what you quoted may not exactly match what is there now) the passage was in relation to a question a Pharisee asked about healthy eating laws found in Leviticus 11. It's not referring to anything else. What goes into the mouth goes into the stomach and then out the other side. I don't think it's referring in any way to homosexuality, though one could try arguing that homosexuality does indeed come from within a person's heart, considering the list of issues that Jesus presents as coming from the heart (see Mark 7:21-23)

Hunger you could say comes from within. I was refering to homsexuality because you mentioned physical and I used the term in a broad way.

Sin is not loving God, imo.

Allthough I am not sure I entirely aprove of your analogy brave-new-world, I think I should point out that you appear to be arguing semantics. (arguing semantics is not a crime at U.M. I am just stating a personal opinion on an interesting subject )
I think P.A's view on the particular Bible passage which is being discussed here can be equated with my own views on sin.

Put simply, a person only ever truly commits a sin when they view another person as just a thing.
ie: Murder, theft, adultry.



These acts come from within and can't be good for a body.

isnt it because what comes out comes from the heart and thats where the sin would come from?

Ok, so I just realized that there is no possible way for anybody to know what a true sin is. Things can get you arrested, like illegal drugs or not paying taxes, but are those counted as sinning or not?

a true sin = opp/hyp

now you know, back to math class you go!

UziStuNNa1 - I know you are still only fairly new around here, but there was a thread on this subject of yours that had been posted in as recently as yesterday. I've merged your thread with that one. Thank you.

Doc, I love your new avatar it makes me giggle I'll pm why...*giggles* i ownder if we are on the same wave length on this one...