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PsiSeeker
As the common saying goes, there is always someone better than you. Does this rule apply to God?

And what would God believe in? I mean everyone aspires towards SOMETHING or believes in SOMETHING so what would God believe in? Is God atheist? If God doesn't believe in himself is he unfaithful or does he just have a self-esteem problem? What're your views?
brave_new_world
QUOTE(PsiSeeker @ May 6 2007, 03:44 PM) [snapback]1662143[/snapback]
As the common saying goes, there is always someone better than you. Does this rule apply to God?

And what would God believe in? I mean everyone aspires towards SOMETHING or believes in SOMETHING so what would God believe in? Is God atheist? If God doesn't believe in himself is he unfaithful or does he just have a self-esteem problem? What're your views?


Here man is what i think is the best way to answer your question with an answer from a Hindu mystic called Vivekananda (1863-1902):

This metaphysics of nondualism generates a number of profound philosophical difficulties, of which the first is this : why did the one manifest itself as the many? WHy did the eternal become temporal, the infinite become finite, the immutable become mutable? Many thinkers in the orthodox Hindu tradition argue that the answer is delight (S: ananda): the universe is Brahman's expression of delight in creation. Vivekananda's reply is different:
..To ask this question we have to suppose that the Absolute also is bound by something, that it is dependent on something. Thus we see that the very question as to why the Infinite became the finite is an absurd one, for it is self-contradictory. (Vivekananda, Collinson, Plant and Wilkinson, 2000. p143)

And here is some clarification on the nature of God just incase you dont understand that answer:

Reality or Brahman(God) is a unity, oneness or absolute, changeless, eternal, and such that no predicates can apply to it: in the Absolute there is neither time, space nor causation. The idea of time cannot be there, seeing that there is no mind, no thought. The idea of space cannot be there, seeing that there is no eternal change. What you call motion and causation cannot exist where there is only one. (Vivekananda, Collinson, Plant, Wilkinson, 2000. p142)

PsiSeeker
QUOTE(brave_new_world @ May 6 2007, 08:18 AM) [snapback]1662159[/snapback]
Here man is what i think is the best way to answer your question with an answer from a Hindu mystic called Vivekananda (1863-1902):

This metaphysics of nondualism generates a number of profound philosophical difficulties, of which the first is this : why did the one manifest itself as the many? WHy did the eternal become temporal, the infinite become finite, the immutable become mutable? Many thinkers in the orthodox Hindu tradition argue that the answer is delight (S: ananda): the universe is Brahman's expression of delight in creation. Vivekananda's reply is different:
..To ask this question we have to suppose that the Absolute also is bound by something, that it is dependent on something. Thus we see that the very question as to why the Infinite became the finite is an absurd one, for it is self-contradictory. (Vivekananda, Collinson, Plant and Wilkinson, 2000. p143)

And here is some clarification on the nature of God just incase you dont understand that answer:

Reality or Brahman(God) is a unity, oneness or absolute, changeless, eternal, and such that no predicates can apply to it: in the Absolute there is neither time, space nor causation. The idea of time cannot be there, seeing that there is no mind, no thought. The idea of space cannot be there, seeing that there is no eternal change. What you call motion and causation cannot exist where there is only one. (Vivekananda, Collinson, Plant, Wilkinson, 2000. p142)


Man.. Them mystics are some pretty serious thinkers, allright then I ask this, why do we believe in God? Think it carefully over before you answer
Raptor
QUOTE(PsiSeeker @ May 6 2007, 01:51 PM) [snapback]1662289[/snapback]
Man.. Them mystics are some pretty serious thinkers, allright then I ask this, why do we believe in God? Think it carefully over before you answer


It began as a cop out; a simple answer to explain what was otherwise unexplainable. That was the foundation, since then it's developed along with society to become more complex. Not to mention, a vast amount of people are only religious because of indoctrination.
brave_new_world
QUOTE(PsiSeeker @ May 6 2007, 08:51 PM) [snapback]1662289[/snapback]
Man.. Them mystics are some pretty serious thinkers, allright then I ask this, why do we believe in God? Think it carefully over before you answer


Because belief or faith is the best thing we have until we actually become one with God ourselves.
auhsoj
QUOTE(PsiSeeker @ May 6 2007, 08:44 AM) [snapback]1662143[/snapback]
As the common saying goes, there is always someone better than you. Does this rule apply to God?

And what would God believe in? I mean everyone aspires towards SOMETHING or believes in SOMETHING so what would God believe in? Is God atheist? If God doesn't believe in himself is he unfaithful or does he just have a self-esteem problem? What're your views?


...ask god...!?!
Inner Space
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Man.. Them mystics are some pretty serious thinkers, allright then I ask this, why do we believe in God? Think it carefully over before you answer


QUOTE(brave_new_world @ May 6 2007, 09:28 AM) [snapback]1662325[/snapback]
Because belief or faith is the best thing we have until we actually become one with God ourselves.



Nicely written.
nn23
QUOTE(Raptor X7 @ May 6 2007, 02:11 PM) [snapback]1662310[/snapback]
It began as a cop out; a simple answer to explain what was otherwise unexplainable. That was the foundation, since then it's developed along with society to become more complex. Not to mention, a vast amount of people are only religious because of indoctrination.

religion is not the only belief system to which people become indoctrinated.

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nn23
PsiSeeker
QUOTE(nn23 @ May 6 2007, 02:56 PM) [snapback]1662409[/snapback]
religion is not the only belief system to which people become indoctrinated.

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nn23


This is true

I still think that if God was able to experience human emotions he'd be have to believe in something 2.. What would you do if you were God? What does God do now?
brave_new_world
QUOTE(PsiSeeker @ May 7 2007, 07:32 AM) [snapback]1662890[/snapback]
This is true

I still think that if God was able to experience human emotions he'd be have to believe in something 2.. What would you do if you were God? What does God do now?


God being infinity and everything doesnt need to do anything for the reason that, what could God do that God isnt or hasnt done already?
nn23
QUOTE(PsiSeeker @ May 7 2007, 12:32 AM) [snapback]1662890[/snapback]
This is true

I still think that if God was able to experience human emotions he'd be have to believe in something 2.. What would you do if you were God? What does God do now?

he heh e...i AM God he heh e and so are you, and i do experience human emotions. And God does not require to believe in him self because he is self evident.

God is the Primal Cause for everything...hang on i'll just get the quote brb

edit: here we are...Above the senses is the mind. Above the mind is the intellect. Above the intellect is the ego. Above the ego is the unmanifested seed, the Primal Cause... mmm, God thumbsup.gif
(Katha Upanishad)
PsiSeeker
Lol, God is like a never ending icecream on a hot sunny day kinda thing? tongue.gif
telirium
God is something that does not abide by our limits and customs. God would not aspire to be anything because God is everything.
PsiSeeker
QUOTE(telirium @ May 7 2007, 01:33 AM) [snapback]1663076[/snapback]
God is something that does not abide by our limits and customs. God would not aspire to be anything because God is everything.


Then why can't i shake his hand? original.gif
Ando
QUOTE(PsiSeeker @ May 6 2007, 02:51 PM) [snapback]1662289[/snapback]
Man.. Them mystics are some pretty serious thinkers, allright then I ask this, why do we believe in God? Think it carefully over before you answer


I got 2 guesses:

1) Very long time ago, two of the first humans were out fishing. One of them didn't get any fish. He were normally very greedy and said: "All this nature has to be created by someone, don't you think? Someone created this a long time ago. That someone is talking with me. He says if you let me eat all your fish, the fishing tommorow will be better." -He was lying of course. But he kept lying, he told everyone he were directly communicating with the 'someone' who created it all. Why? Because it gave him power.
And now it's tradition to serve some kind of 'creator'.

2) I belive many of us have thougt that it would be impossible for the universe to just 'be there' one day. And the most primitive and easiest answer to that is that someone or something created it.
PsiSeeker
QUOTE(Ando @ May 7 2007, 01:46 AM) [snapback]1663096[/snapback]
I got 2 guesses:

1) Very long time ago, two of the first humans were out fishing. One of them didn't get any fish. He were normally very greedy and said: "All this nature has to be created by someone, don't you think? Someone created this a long time ago. That someone is talking with me. He says if you let me eat all your fish, the fishing tommorow will be better." -He was lying of course. But he kept lying, he told everyone he were directly communicating with the 'someone' who created it all. Why? Because it gave him power.
And now it's tradition to serve some kind of 'creator'.

2) I belive many of us have thougt that it would be impossible for the universe to just 'be there' one day. And the most primitive and easiest answer to that is that someone or something created it.


Lol, true, God will exist as long as there is an unknown in my opinion. Since I don't think we are close to knowing everything God will keep on existing for a very long time original.gif
micklemas
QUOTE(Ando @ May 7 2007, 02:46 AM) [snapback]1663096[/snapback]
I got 2 guesses:

1) Very long time ago, two of the first humans were out fishing. One of them didn't get any fish. He were normally very greedy and said: "All this nature has to be created by someone, don't you think? Someone created this a long time ago. That someone is talking with me. He says if you let me eat all your fish, the fishing tommorow will be better." -He was lying of course. But he kept lying, he told everyone he were directly communicating with the 'someone' who created it all. Why? Because it gave him power.
And now it's tradition to serve some kind of 'creator'.

And so was born the t.v. evangelist innocent.gif
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2) I belive many of us have thougt that it would be impossible for the universe to just 'be there' one day. And the most primitive and easiest answer to that is that someone or something created it.

Is that the easiest answer????
To give up everything you've been led to believe, that you are the master of your own destiny, that you can make a difference. To hand your life to something else, purely by faith.
That seems harder to me.

It also creates a fools-logic scenario, in that, for the universe to exist then God had to create it and for God to exist then something had to create God and for the God creator to exist then something had to create that.... ad infinitum.
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