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King Herod's ancient tomb 'found'

Archaeologist have searched for the tomb at Herodium for 30 years
An Israeli archaeologist says he has found the tomb of King Herod, the ruler of Judea while it was under Roman administration in the first century BC.
After a search of more than 30 years, Ehud Netzer of the Hebrew University says he has located the tomb at Herodium, a site south of Jerusalem.

Herod was noted in the New Testament for his Massacre of the Innocents.

Told of Jesus' birth, Herod ordered all children under two in Bethlehem to be killed, the Gospel of Matthew said.

According to the New Testament, Jesus' father Joseph was warned of the threat in a dream and fled with his wife and child to Egypt.

Major find

"When I realised it was the tomb there was great happiness," Prof Netzer told the BBC news website.

"Everyone has an interest in the Holy Land and Herod's tomb is part of that story."

Herod is remembered for his expansion of the Second Jewish Temple and the construction of the walls of the old city of Jerusalem.

He also built the fortress of Masada which became the last stand of Jewish rebels in 73 AD.

If it is confirmed, this will rank as a major archaeological discovery, BBC Jerusalem correspondent Tim Franks says.



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So, now is that going to be a great find? It makes me wonder how many people will be concerned if there are finds in the tomb that contradict other written records.
glorybebe
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He also built the fortress of Masada which became the last stand of Jewish rebels in 73 AD.
If it is confirmed, this will rank as a major archaeological discovery, BBC Jerusalem correspondent Tim Franks says.

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So, now is that going to be a great find? It makes me wonder how many people will be concerned if there are finds in the tomb that contradict other written records.


So, this is all over the news.

More info that I found on him for those who don't really know who he is:

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Herod is particularly known for his dramatic expansion of the Second Temple in Jerusalem which is sometimes referred to as Herod's Temple.
What if there was some sort of a hint as to what had been under his temple? There have been speculations for years as to whether he had a treasure under there.

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Timeline

30s BC

The taking of Jerusalem by Herod the Great, 36 BC, by Jean Fouquet39 BC–37 BC War against Antigonos. After the conquest of Jerusalem and victory over Antigonos, Mark Antony executes Antigonos.

36 BC Herod makes his 17-year-old brother-in-law Aristobulus III of Judea high priest, fearing that the Jews would appoint Aristobulus "king of the Jews" in his place.

35 BC Aristobulus drowns at a party. Historians claim there is insufficient evidence against Herod for his death.

32 BC Start of the war against Nabatea, with victory one year later.

31 BC Strong earthquake in Judea. Octavian defeats Mark Antony, so Herod switches allegiance to Octavian, later Augustus.

30 BC Herod was then shown great favour by Octavian who at Rhodes confirms him as King of Judaea.


20s BC
29 BC Josephus writes that Herod had great passion and also great jealousy concerning his wife Mariamne I. She learns of Herod's plans to murder her, and stops sleeping with him. Herod puts her on trial on a trumped-up charge of adultery. His sister Salome (not Herodias's daughter Salome) was chief witness against her.

Mariamne I's mother Alexandra made an appearance and incriminated her own daughter.

Historians say her mother was next on Herod's list to be executed and did this only to save her own life. Writings state that Mariamne was calm and serene at her execution at the age of 25 years, having given birth to 5 children in 7 years.

Alexandra then made a bid for power, declaring herself Queen and stating that Herod was mentally unfit to serve any longer. Josephus wrote that this was Alexandra's strategic mistake and Herod executed her without trial.

28 BC Herod executed his brother-in-law Kostobar (husband of Salome, father to Berenice) for conspiracy. Large festival in Jerusalem, as Herod had built a Theatre and an Amphitheatre.

27 BC An assassination attempt on Herod is discovered in time. To honour Gaius Julius Caesar Octavianus (Augustus) Herod rebuilds Samaria and renames it Sebaste.

25 BC After a great drought there is hunger and epidemics. Herod imports grain from Egypt and starts an exemplary aid programme. He also waives a third of the taxes.

23 BC Herod builds a palace in Jerusalem and the fortress Herodian in Judaea. Herod marries his third wife, Mariamne II, the daughter of high priest Simon.

22 BC Building starts on Caesarea Maritima and its harbour. From the Romans he obtains the regions Trachonitis, Batanaea and Auranitis under his rule.

Circa 20 BC Expansion starts on the Second Temple. (See Herod's Temple)


10s BC
Circa 18 BC Herod travels for the second time to Rome.

14 BC Herod supports the Jews in Anatolia and Cyrene. Owing to the prosperity in Judaea he waives a quarter of the taxes. He argues with his sons.

13 BC Herod makes his first-born son Antipater (his son with Doris) first heir in his will.

12 BC Because Herod suspects both his sons (from his marriage to Mariamne I) Alexandros and Aristobulos of threatening his life, he takes them to Aquileia to be tried; but Augustus is able to reconcile the three. Herod supports the financially strapped Olympic Games and ensures their future. Herod amends his will so that Alexander and Aristobulos rise in the royal succession, but Antipater would be higher in the succession.

Circa 10 BC The newly expanded temple in Jerusalem is inaugurated. War against the Nabateans.


0s BC
9 BC The inauguration of Caesarea Maritima is a marvellous spectacle with a festival. Owing to the course of the war against the Nabateans Herod falls into disgrace with Augustus. Herod again suspects Alexander intends to kill him.

8 BC Herod accuses his sons from Mariamne I of high treason. Herod is reconciled with Augustus, which also gives him the permission to proceed legally against his sons.

7 BC The court hearing takes place in Berytos (Beirut) before a Roman court. Mariamne I's sons are found guilty and executed. Now the succession is changed so that Antipater is the exclusive successor to the throne. In second place the succession incorporates Herod Philip, the son from Mariamne II.

6 BC Herod proceeds harshly against the Pharisees, who had announced that the birth of the Messiah would mean the end of his rule.

5 BC Antipater is brought before the court charged with the intended murder of Herod. The sentence must first be approved only by the Roman emperor. Herod makes his son Herod Antipas from his 4th marriage with Malthace as his successor. Herod is seriously ill.

4 BC Young Torah-students smash the golden eagle over the main entrance of the Temple of Jerusalem after the Pharisee teachers claim it is a Roman symbol. Herod arrests them, brings them to court, sentences and punishes them. The emperor Augustus approves the death penalty for Antipater. Herod executes his son.

As he has just executed his sole heir, Herod again changes his will: Archelaus (from the marriage with Malthace) will rule as king over Herod's entire kingdom, while Antipas (from Malthace) and Philip (from the fifth marriage with Cleopatra of Jerusalem) as Tetrarchs over Galilee and Peraea, also over Gaulanitis (Golan), Trachonitis (Hebrew: Argob), Batanaea (now Ard-el-Bathanyeh) and Panias. As Augustus does not confirm his will, no one gets the title of King; however, the three sons do get the stated territories.


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Josephus records that Herod's final illness was excruciating. From Josephus' descriptions, some medical experts propose that Herod had chronic kidney disease complicated by Fournier's gangrene.
I thought it was previously stated in the Bible that Herod died of intestinal worms, is that not correct?



Themis
Without a body its difficult to say how he died... I was talking to a site archaeologist today and he said he had been studying Medieval Death Registers where people had died of Spinga... please don't ask me what it is because I have never heard of it!

You can probably make an educated guess from the records, which is what the doctors sound like they have done...

Not sure if that helps at all...

Themis
glorybebe
QUOTE(Themis @ May 10 2007, 11:15 AM) [snapback]1668880[/snapback]
Without a body its difficult to say how he died... I was talking to a site archaeologist today and he said he had been studying Medieval Death Registers where people had died of Spinga... please don't ask me what it is because I have never heard of it!

You can probably make an educated guess from the records, which is what the doctors sound like they have done...

Not sure if that helps at all...

Themis


Couldn't find anything on 'Spinga', weird. Well, I thougth they would find a body there, once they had finished, isn't that what a tomb is for? I have to go back and read it again.
Themis
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No bones were found at the site. Prof Netzer said that they had likely been removed by Jewish rebels who fought against Rome between 66 and 72 AD.


I think the Tomb robbers got there first... sad.gif
Preservation conditions are generally quite good in that part of the world as it is dry and if the body is in a stone sarcophagus you would usually have some preservation... its amazing what they can tell from just the bones... diet, age, lifestyle, probable cause of death...
glorybebe
QUOTE(Themis @ May 10 2007, 11:49 AM) [snapback]1668925[/snapback]
I think the Tomb robbers got there first... sad.gif
Preservation conditions are generally quite good in that part of the world as it is dry and if the body is in a stone sarcophagus you would usually have some preservation... its amazing what they can tell from just the bones... diet, age, lifestyle, probable cause of death...


HMM...wll, you never know what else they will/have found. As long as it is let out. Sometimes things are hid so as not to 'stir the pot' in the previous belief system.
Celumnaz
where are the Palestinians?
Themis
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HMM...wll, you never know what else they will/have found. As long as it is let out. Sometimes things are hid so as not to 'stir the pot' in the previous belief system.


I think that depends on the team excavating. A lot of the time the money runs out before the excavation had finished - it takes years to record properly and publish on a big dig like this... grin2.gif

I don't think that they hide things anymore - I think that they just don't put them in the public eye - generally you can get hold of all modern excavation records, but it takes ages to wade through the huge amounts of data collected with modern archaeological techniques...

I think as archaeology moves into the digital world things will become a lot more transparent and easier to get hold of for everyone - after all, archaeology belongs to us all...

glorybebe
QUOTE(Themis @ May 10 2007, 12:18 PM) [snapback]1668955[/snapback]
I think that depends on the team excavating. A lot of the time the money runs out before the excavation had finished - it takes years to record properly and publish on a big dig like this... grin2.gif

I don't think that they hide things anymore - I think that they just don't put them in the public eye - generally you can get hold of all modern excavation records, but it takes ages to wade through the huge amounts of data collected with modern archaeological techniques...

I think as archaeology moves into the digital world things will become a lot more transparent and easier to get hold of for everyone - after all, archaeology belongs to us all...


Yes, but if it would negate something in the Bible, you can bet your boots, it would be suppressed or an attempt of suppression would happen.
glorybebe
QUOTE(Celumnaz @ May 10 2007, 12:00 PM) [snapback]1668937[/snapback]
where are the Palestinians?


kicked out of their country?
Celumnaz
didn't see them mentioned in your timeline
glorybebe
QUOTE(Celumnaz @ May 10 2007, 12:40 PM) [snapback]1668984[/snapback]
didn't see them mentioned in your timeline


I got that from Wiki. I will try to find some more info.
Themis
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Yes, but if it would negate something in the Bible, you can bet your boots, it would be suppressed or an attempt of suppression would happen.


Modern archaeologists are not usually concerned with religion... it is supposed to be the study of past material cultures grin2.gif

However some archaeology is still undertaken and financed by the church groups so it may still happen... I don't know about this as I have no interest in biblical archaeology. I can ask my tutors if you are interested?

draconic chronicler
I don't see what the big deal is. The ancient sources said he was buried at Herodium and he evidentally was. No one ever doubted the existence of Herod, unlike other Biblical characters, for he is a major part of secular history as well. If his grave was found intact, then yes, it would be a major discovery, but it seem that has been found is a broken up sarcophagus. There probably never was a treasure. These are not Egyptians we are talking about, who tried to "take it with them".
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