"Shadow people" are the result of the mind and nothing more. There not real and they cant harm you. When you see them when you wake up its a waking dream. If youre one of these people who claim to see shadow people all the time then please send in a picture because untill you do me and many other people will not beilive you. Remember amazing claims need amazing proof. If anyone wants to prove me wrong i triple dare you to tell me to do things that will make me see them (i wont go out of my way to do it, but i will defo in my spare time) If youre absolutely convinced that you see them or that they are real im sorry to burst youre bubble but you just have mental health problems or sleeping disorders.

This already starts off as a childish debate. There's no proof showing they exist, but there's no proof that they DON'T exist either.

Show me some proof they don't exist instead of just saying that they don't. And don't insult people by saying they're crazy, either

Im not trying to insult people, just saying they dont exist. Plus the best evidence they dont exist is that theres no evidence they do.

Well what you said above sounds pretty insulting to me.
OK, maybe i'm taking it out of context, but try to look at it this way. Regardless of whether shadow entities exist or not, there are people out there who are seeing these things and are genuinely frightened. I think to say that they are having mental health problems only heightens their distress, wouldn't you agree?

Yes i would but i would also be nice to know that these things arent gonna kill me, so being told its in the head would put me at ease a bit. Im not denying people see them but i am denying their existence.

There have been plenty of reports from eyewitnesses saying that they don't harm people. Ghosts don't usually cause any physical harm or indeed any intentional psychological harm. It's malevolant spirits etc. that do, which IMO aren't quite the same thing. We all have different opinions though.

In all sincerity, may I ask if you do believe in actual ghosts or not?

...lol..if he says yes, that's funny !

Yes and No.

Meaning what exactly?

sorry to burst your bubble, but why do millions of people see the same thing?.... the same (hat) hooded or cloaked figure?.... do we ALL externalize our tormentors in this exact SAME fashion? ...do these SAME reports that roll in day after day conform to classic Jungian archetypes? or is this mass hysteria?...hardly.......(do get your links prepared ) I have had this discussion before...... lets see him burst bareks' bubble! ......and if I don't reply right away keep in mind I have several battles raging at once(I can mult-task)......B

(will be nice)

halfhandshuffle:dethklok
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdcmSpS5CYQ

Do they call you Dr. Goody, being that you know so much about mental health and sleeping disorders....Opinions of all the posts vary, but are basically respected by all that read and post to them....Your remark is definitely not respected....As far as bursting my bubble, I don't think so.....

I have mental health problems and sleep disorders and I wasnt offended by his post. What offends me is stupidity. Perhaps once he has had his own experience with these shadows and he goes around telling everyone that they are real he will get a taste of his own medicine when he is confronted with people sporting his current attitude towards them....perhaps

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During states of extreme stress your senses are heightened, a survival mechanism. Sleeping disorders cause a lot of stress over time.

So you're saying that these shadow entities DO exist, although we can't see them if we're in a psychologically "normal" state?

I've seen them in abnormal and normal states










halfhandshuffle:CC-loco
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7apHpHCV6s

That is lulz

It means im open minded and make my own opinions about things and dont place myself into a "skeptic or beliver" category

Fair enough.

You wouldn't have happened to have done any research to prove your point would you?

Some

Shadow people are real.

To come off like you're the all wise, all knowing super sage of the century is very arrogant foolish and combative since you make presumptions borne of ignorance.
If you wanted to debate the issue utilizing some sort of proof you thought you might have acquired, that would make sense.

The man who thinks he knows it all, knows nothing.

He who asks many questions seeks the truth.

I have summoned my army of shadow beings and ordered them to infest your home for six months.



disclaimer: The single sentence above was a joke, don't do anything rash.

Mind sharing it with the rest of us?

It's good to see some people are willing to debate this while others are loonatics after a few minutes of fame or maybe even to become a best selling author.

If your offended by someone over the internet who lives 10,000 miles away then get a life.

I just looked at sleeping disorders on wikipedia.

Describes everything to a T

It would be nice if you shared YOUR evidence that they do exist.

we have another band name candidate: "Super Sage of the Century".....B









halfhandshuffle:sab/dio neon nights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPoMTiecRdY

Let's calm this down here guys.

First and foremost of all, i'd argue that wikipedia is a fairly inaccurate source since it can be modified by anyone. Therefore there's no way of being completely certain whether or not your information is accurate or not.

You say that sleep disorders are to blame for seeing shadow people. I would argue that the witnessing of said entities have been observed by people who have never been diagnosed with a sleep problem and/or psychological problems. They are perfectly sane, healthy and normal people who are experiencing something that isn't normal. To limit yourself to those with psychological problems and sleeping disorders makes sense, although it can be easily disproven.

Thanks for bringing that up i never knew normal people seen them.
Yes i just admited i was wrong which is something nobody really does... how ever i still think there are people saying they seen a shadow person and didnt to get attention.

Flaming each other will not be tolerated guys. So keep it civil, there's no need for it.

Oh, there i'd definately have to agree with you

As with anything, a lot of people out there say they've experienced things they haven't just because it's the hip and cool thing to do. It gets kind of annoying because it significantly impedes research

I'm sorry Sir,
but you have abdicated every bit of credibility you may have had here(minute)....good day

edit:sorry didnt see Mod advisory!

Maybe if he stopped sending me stupid messages calling me a loser i would ignore him but those things are hard to ignore.

and if you dont beilive me i could get a screen shot of it

That occurred with the opening post Mr. Halfhand. Rawk on!!

Hey guys, he said he'd been convinced otherwise... He admitted he was wrong for what he said before.

Let's keep it civil, eh?

it dosent matter lol i meet annoying people everyday... i just try my best to ignore them

Don't get me wrong, i'm not siding with anyone here. Barek and Thozz are both cool guys

Just trying to keep the peace

sorry all
didn't see Mod advisory.... guilty of skimming!.....B

My husband and I saw a shadow person together once. I don't think we were both hallucinating. It was right in front of our car. Like 2 feet in front of our bumper. We both yelled out at the same time "what is that?!?!" (well with a few more sentence enhancers, of course). The weirdest thing. I didn't have time to grab the camera and snap a picture. And I don't own a cell phone with a fancy camera on it either.

That's a perfect example of a shadow entity sighting. I haven't heard of two people seeing one at the same time though. Very strange

Not trying to stir up more issues here, but next time you're posting something take into consideration that what you're posting is your opinion alone. Just because others don't adhere to your standards doesn't make them automatically wrong in their claims. Not meaning to be mean, but some people can feel heavily insulted by it and it will almost guarantee negative responses to you personally, rather than the topic you created. Just try to be considerate of other people as well and stay a bit in the grey area, it helps!

With that said, I do believe a lot of sightings are the result of mental or physical instability, causing a hallucination. However, unless you were there and have seen for yourself there's nothing at all, it's unwise to immediately draw your conclusion without solid backup.

Generalizing isn't a good idea with this kind of topic either, since it's REALLY hard to get a conclusive 'yes' or 'no' on the issue. Issues are best dealt with on an individual basis to make sure you have the proper evidence to be even only capable of drawing the conclusion.


Just my two cents.

What impedes research would me be writing down all the paranormal events I've personally experienced, then have somebody who knows all the secrets of the known and unknown ubiverse tell me I'm a nutcase and a lunatic.
As long as people hold the conviction in their hearts that this stuff is all nonsense and the imaginations of psychotic "lunatics",
any further research is moot for them and they should persue only material and earthly pleasures.

It's funny how someone can know the truth through personal experience and be eager to share it, only to be called names and such.
Pathetic.

Unfortunately, people just are like that and there's next to nothing we can do about it.

I've never seen a shadowperson, if we are talking about a black hooded solid figure walking about.
I'm certainly not saying that they don't exist, I'm just saying I've never seen one.
I have seen shadows of people on walls or passing in the hall when noone else was in the house, but I don't think that's the same thing.

fylgja or anyone else here who has seen one would you please describe it for me?
Was it solid or transparent? Was it just a figure or were there details, like clothes?
I would appreciate any answers.

I've seen three shadow people in my life. Each tme they all looked like blacker than black almost carboard cutouts of people. I guess that's the best way to describe it. Sort of tall, thin, no features at all. Just blackness, and 2-dimensional.
Some people have seen them as a guy with a hat on before. I've never seen anything like that.
2 I saw on the Hopi reservation and both times were with my husband (he saw it too). The other time I saw one was when I was a kid. I was with my sister, and my two cousins and they all saw it too.
One time I saw something that looked like a shadow person but it was made out of white light like static instead of black. I was by myself. it was the first time I tried meditating. I was sitting and felt like someone was watching me. I opened my eyes and right in front of my face it was leaning down staring directly at me. It jumped up and ran out of the room. I've tried meditating since than, but I can not relax! Very frustrating. I've heard of shadow people but never of light people.

I was saying when certain senses are heightened we can sense things we wouldn't at a lower sensory perception.

The shadow entities is a large genre of things, not very specific. A lot of these things look like shadows moving about, or shadows that are there when they shouldn't be. When I was about 14 I saw a shadow of a human upper torso on my ceiling that waved to me and then crept back into the shadows.

Thank you fylgja! That's exactly what I was hoping for.
When you say the light one, which I've never heard of either, was like static. Do you mean like electricity inside of the figure?


I can see how that would be a problem.

What I mean by static is that it sort of looked like it was made out of white noise, like the static on a channel that doesn't come in right on your tv. Almost like that, but not quite. Lighter than light. Just like the black is blacker than black.
Wow, I feel sort of crazy just talking about this stuff, but I can not deny waht happened!

Yup shadow people don't exist. They're fake. It's nothing more than people who get a charge out of painting themselves black and sneaking around. You've never heard of this group before? I can't believe that.

right on lol fight the power!

but seriously i do agree that you have to have proof to say something exists and get other people to bleive you

but you also need to prove it doesnt if you dont beleive in something

technically you should consider everything possible at anytime

There's nothing that directly proves that they don't exist, as there is nothing to prove that they do - it's all a mere matter of opinion. Nothing logical or illogical about anything in-terms of this particular subject. You shouldn't state an opinion like it's a fact.

How can you catch something on camera if it doesnt want to be caught or only appears when you least expect it and then wont stand still for you to point a camera at it. If they do exist (which I think they do as I have seen a few in my life and one of those light thingies too (when I was young)) they are prety intelligent and know what a camera is, so you wont get one to pose for a camera shot. Maybe they are just inquisitive Ninjas The ones I have seen heve been jet black shadows of people so dark they look 2 dimensional but have 3d characteristics as thier profile changes when they turn etc. Maybe they are 2nd dimensional beings that can manifest in our 3d universe same as we would look to someone in a 4 dimensional universe....just a thought. There is deffinately something there just not sure what but you can usualy feel thier presence before you see them. The last one I saw I was alone in a very large building and I suddenly felt a presence then woosh it ran past the door of the room I was in just as I turned round to look.....I was not looking for one and was minding my own business tinkering with computers and stuff with some loud music on.

I've seen shadow people myself, but they never tempted to harm me. At the moment they would be there and then gone, nothing more. Good point Lord, maybe they are 2 dimensional beings or from a different plane or dimension that can come to our dimension. Maybe they don't do it on purpose? Maybe its just like people on Earth that are never seen again, maybe they slip into a different dimension or plane and can't get back maybe the same for shadow people.