Opus Magnus
May 14 2007, 05:50 PM
3/3 does not equal 1. It equals .99999999999999999999999.... No trinity is a true unity. Father, son and holy ghost; id, ego and superego; past, present and future; above, middle and below; heaven hell and earth.
crtDzyn
May 14 2007, 06:23 PM
QUOTE(Opus Magnus @ May 14 2007, 01:50 PM) [snapback]1674718[/snapback]
3/3 does not equal 1. It equals .99999999999999999999999.... No trinity is a true unity. Father, son and holy ghost; id, ego and superego; past, present and future; above, middle and below; heaven hell and earth.

lay off the drugs man....
GoddessWhispers
May 14 2007, 06:24 PM
QUOTE
3/3 does not equal 1. It equals .99999999999999999999999.... No trinity is a true unity. Father, son and holy ghost; id, ego and superego; past, present and future; above, middle and below; heaven hell and earth.
.....All one and the same.
What if 666 were really 999!? Three dimensions, three stages of life. birth death rebirth. All is energy, moving constantly to a rhythm, nothing is as it appears to be, reality is perception, perception is reality, all time is now, no time exists outside this solar system, nothing solid is truly solid, everything appears as it's thought to be. Imagine for a moment the creator you believe, is your self holding to the truth there is something larger than yourself, because it is there already and this is but an experience of what amounts to be, in particle physics particularly what says well enough for even the religious to believe. We are all cells in the body of god.
Opus Magnus
May 14 2007, 06:27 PM
QUOTE(crtbud420 @ May 14 2007, 02:23 PM) [snapback]1674758[/snapback]

lay off the drugs man....
Ummm... Do the math yourself? 1/3=.333333333333....; 2/3=.666666666666666.....; 3/3=.999999999999...
The reason that 3/3 is considered to equal one is because there is no space for digits between .999999999... and 1. It is the closest possible number to 1, but it is not 1.
(1/3)+(2/3)=3/3
.333333333333333...+.6666666666666...=.999999999999999...
crtDzyn
May 14 2007, 06:28 PM
ok, i'm kinda lost... am i alone here?
crtDzyn
May 14 2007, 06:30 PM
QUOTE(Opus Magnus @ May 14 2007, 02:27 PM) [snapback]1674763[/snapback]
Ummm... Do the math yourself? 1/3=.333333333333....; 2/3=.666666666666666.....; 3/3=.999999999999...
The reason that 3/3 is considered to equal one is because there is no space for digits between .999999999... and 1. It is the closest possible number to 1, but it is not 1.
(1/3)+(2/3)=3/3
.333333333333333...+.6666666666666...=.999999999999999...
3 / 3 = 1
1/ 3 = .33333333333333 because it's representing 1 third, a number divided by that same number is 1, so what makes 3 different?
Opus Magnus
May 14 2007, 06:35 PM
QUOTE(crtbud420 @ May 14 2007, 02:30 PM) [snapback]1674768[/snapback]
3 / 3 = 1
1/ 3 = .33333333333333 because it's representing 1 third, a number divided by that same number is 1, so what makes 3 different?
3 isn't different, if 3/3=1 then 3 would be different. 3/3 does not equal 1.
crtDzyn
May 14 2007, 06:35 PM
QUOTE(Opus Magnus @ May 14 2007, 02:35 PM) [snapback]1674773[/snapback]
3 isn't different, if 3/3=1 then 3 would be different. 3/3 does not equal 1.
WHAT???
so by that reasoning 7/7 = .999999999999999999999999
3/7 = .428571428571428571428571
4/7 = .571428571428571428571428
therefore 7/7 = .99999999999999999999
but that makes no sense.
if you take 3/3*3 then you get 3, obviously! if this was not the case, your calculator would say 2.999999999999997 or whatever
Opus Magnus
May 14 2007, 06:38 PM
QUOTE(crtbud420 @ May 14 2007, 02:35 PM) [snapback]1674775[/snapback]
WHAT???
so by that reasoning 7/7 = .999999999999999999999999
No, but 7 is another weird one.
crtDzyn
May 14 2007, 06:42 PM
QUOTE(Opus Magnus @ May 14 2007, 02:38 PM) [snapback]1674779[/snapback]
No, but 7 is another weird one.
what do you mean no? i am using the EXACT same logic that you used to illustrate that 3/3 does not = 1
BurnSide
May 14 2007, 06:43 PM
I know what you're saying, although i'm not sure why.
You're stating that 3/3 = .9 infinity, and that is technically true. Just like there is no possible way to divide 100 by 3, because you get 33.333333 and so on. Again, technically true.
So, what of it? because of this math equation are you saying that Religious values such as Father, Son, Holy Ghost cannot actually be, and Psychology decriptive terms such as Id, Ego and Superego are incorrect, and time as in Past, Present and Future do not exist, etc etc. Simply because of a mathmatical impossibility?
Can you elaborate more on why you think this, or is it just because these things come in 3s?
Opus Magnus
May 14 2007, 06:43 PM
QUOTE(crtbud420 @ May 14 2007, 02:42 PM) [snapback]1674787[/snapback]
what do you mean no? i am using the EXACT same logic that you used to illustrate that 3/3 does not = 1
Ok, sorry you're right. lol, I didn't actually do all the calculations for 7, I just assumed.
Opus Magnus
May 14 2007, 06:45 PM
QUOTE(BurnSide @ May 14 2007, 02:43 PM) [snapback]1674791[/snapback]
I know what you're saying, although i'm not sure why.
You're stating that 3/3 = .9 infinity, and that is technically true. Just like there is no possible way to divide 100 by 3, because you get 33.333333 and so on. Again, technically true.
So, what of it? because of this math equation are you saying that Religious values such as Father, Son, Holy Ghost cannot actually be, and Psychology decriptive terms such as Id, Ego and Superego are incorrect, and time as in Past, Present and Future do not exist, etc etc. Simply because of a mathmatical impossibility?
Can you elaborate more on why you think this, or is it just because these things come in 3s?
Anything that falls into the world of 3 has this problem. The three things do not equal up to one. They are incomplete, missing a infinitesimal part, a number that doesn't exist, to become whole.
crtDzyn
May 14 2007, 06:51 PM
QUOTE(Opus Magnus @ May 14 2007, 02:45 PM) [snapback]1674795[/snapback]
Anything that falls into the world of 3 has this problem. The three things do not equal up to one. They are incomplete, missing a infinitesimal part, a number that doesn't exist, to become whole.
1/3 = .33333333333 because a number system based on 10 has no way to truely express a clean third besides writing 1/3. if you cut a circle of paper into 3 equal pieces, you are implying that they will not fit back together perfectly to form the full circle, when infact they do. This is a flawed reasoning and sounds to me like a stoned theory.
BurnSide
May 14 2007, 06:53 PM
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Anything that falls into the world of 3 has this problem. The three things do not equal up to one. They are incomplete, missing a infinitesimal part, a number that doesn't exist, to become whole.
But that is obviously incorrect, since there is no problem with religious beliefs such as Father, Son, Holy Ghost. And there is no problem at all with time being split into three, Past Present and Future. And there is no problem with my family being Myself, My Mother, My Father. And how is there a problem with Id, Ego, Superego, they are only terms used to explain the three categories of human behavioural traits if I remember my Psychology correctly. There cannot really be an issue with them. And going back, Earth Heaven and Hell co-exist in a perfect balance, if you're into the religious belief.
So for these things, we must simply assume that 3/3=1.
Good things happen in threes.
Never heard the term 'third time is the charm?'

It has always interested me that in Mathematics are are sometimes impossible equations, such as 3/3 which creates an Infinity. But I cannot see any way to realistically apply the equation to anything outside of Mathematics, it simply doesn't compute.
crtDzyn
May 14 2007, 06:58 PM
QUOTE(BurnSide @ May 14 2007, 02:53 PM) [snapback]1674816[/snapback]
But that is obviously incorrect, since there is no problem with religious beliefs such as Father, Son, Holy Ghost. And there is no problem at all with time being split into three, Past Present and Future. And there is no problem with my family being Myself, My Mother, My Father. And how is there a problem with Id, Ego, Superego, they are only terms used to explain the three categories of human behavioural traits if I remember my Psychology correctly. There cannot really be an issue with them. And going back, Earth Heaven and Hell co-exist in a perfect balance, if you're into the religious belief.
So for these things, we must simply assume that 3/3=1.
Good things happen in threes.
Never heard the term 'third time is the charm?'

It has always interested me that in Mathematics are are sometimes impossible equations, such as 3/3 which creates an Infinity. But I cannot see any way to realistically apply the equation to anything outside of Mathematics, it simply doesn't compute.
3 can be cleanly divided by 3 simply because THERE ARE THREE PARTS. 100 can't, 10 can't, 1 can't, etc. this is the base of our number system, the number 3, along with SEVERAL other odd numbers don't fit into it neatly. but that does not mean in any way that 3/3 does not equal 1.
BurnSide
May 14 2007, 07:02 PM
That's right! My goodness, I was thinking of 100/3 all along. Hows THAT for a brain fart.
100/3 does equal 33.3333333..., simarly 100/30=3.333333... That is the equation i was refering to when I said it always interested me that it's only possible to get an infinity when dividing by 3.
You are absolutely correct, 3/3 does ALWAYS equal 1.
I do apologise, I feel like a complete fool.
Opus Magnus
May 14 2007, 07:03 PM
QUOTE(BurnSide @ May 14 2007, 02:53 PM) [snapback]1674816[/snapback]
But that is obviously incorrect, since there is no problem with religious beliefs such as Father, Son, Holy Ghost. And there is no problem at all with time being split into three, Past Present and Future. And there is no problem with my family being Myself, My Mother, My Father. And how is there a problem with Id, Ego, Superego, they are only terms used to explain the three categories of human behavioural traits if I remember my Psychology correctly. There cannot really be an issue with them. And going back, Earth Heaven and Hell co-exist in a perfect balance, if you're into the religious belief.
So for these things, we must simply assume that 3/3=1.
Good things happen in threes.
Never heard the term 'third time is the charm?'

It has always interested me that in Mathematics are are sometimes impossible equations, such as 3/3 which creates an Infinity. But I cannot see any way to realistically apply the equation to anything outside of Mathematics, it simply doesn't compute.
The problem is that they are incomplete theories. There are numerous flaws in the Freud's id ego and super ego. It may not say it in the textbooks, but just by living you should be able to tell that it doesn't really work that way.
Are earth heaven and hell really in perfect balance? To maintain a balance there needs to be homeostasis if things are changing. That homeostasis is the infinitesimal number between .9999999... and 1. That number which doesn't seem to exist.
Opus Magnus
May 14 2007, 07:05 PM
QUOTE(crtbud420 @ May 14 2007, 02:51 PM) [snapback]1674813[/snapback]
1/3 = .33333333333 because a number system based on 10 has no way to truely express a clean third besides writing 1/3. if you cut a circle of paper into 3 equal pieces, you are implying that they will not fit back together perfectly to form the full circle, when infact they do. This is a flawed reasoning and sounds to me like a stoned theory.
How do you know the universe is a circle? Science is telling us that at the very simplest it is an oval. An oval in 3 or 4 dimensions, or even up to 11.
crtDzyn
May 14 2007, 07:12 PM
QUOTE(Opus Magnus @ May 14 2007, 03:05 PM) [snapback]1674831[/snapback]
How do you know the universe is a circle? Science is telling us that at the very simplest it is an oval. An oval in 3 or 4 dimensions, or even up to 11.
i didn't say the universe was a circle, i simply used a sheet of paper in the shape of a circle as an example. if you cut a triangle into 3 equal pieces you get the same triangle when you put them back together. take 3 rubber ducks, line them up. divide this row of ducks by 3 and you get
ONE rubber ducky. not .999999999999999999999999999 of a rubber ducky. i know it's silly that i'm talking about rubber ducks to try and explain this, but really think it's silly that this conversation is getting nowhere.
Opus Magnus
May 14 2007, 07:15 PM
The problem again is that niether a circle or a rubber ducky is a model of the entire universe, which I am applying this to. Either in a religious sense, the holy trinity and Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva on the other side of the planet. In a sense of our psyche, or in a sense of on earth, off earth and inside earth.
crtDzyn
May 14 2007, 07:23 PM
QUOTE(Opus Magnus @ May 14 2007, 03:15 PM) [snapback]1674842[/snapback]
The problem again is that niether a circle or a rubber ducky is a model of the entire universe, which I am applying this to. Either in a religious sense, the holy trinity and Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva on the other side of the planet. In a sense of our psyche, or in a sense of on earth, off earth and inside earth.
Is the number 1 a model of the entire universe? so if you divide 1 by 3 you get .3333333333repeating which multiplied by 3 is .9999999999999999999 according to you but actually .333333333333 is just our way of representing 1 perfect third because it does not fit well into our number system. how does this affect the universe??
Opus Magnus
May 14 2007, 07:34 PM
QUOTE(crtbud420 @ May 14 2007, 03:23 PM) [snapback]1674859[/snapback]
Is the number 1 a model of the entire universe? so if you divide 1 by 3 you get .3333333333repeating which multiplied by 3 is .9999999999999999999 according to you but actually .333333333333 is just our way of representing 1 perfect third because it does not fit well into our number system. how does this affect the universe??
It affects the universe because it's what we base our perspectives on it with. If this universe isn't 1, then what is it? If it was over 1.5 it'd be a universe and a half, it was .5 it'd be half a universe.
It does fit perfectly well into our number system. If we find a way to describe it, then we can expand on it.
cloud0729
May 14 2007, 07:46 PM
Something Like Laughter
May 14 2007, 08:11 PM
You need to use double instead of float.
[/bad programming joke]
Change your number system. Base 12 works well. Or base 60. Or any base with 3 as a factor.
MissMelsWell
May 14 2007, 08:14 PM
Holy cow batman, The Binary God.
I have a headache now.
mako
May 14 2007, 08:17 PM
Base 12 is my favorite...been a long time since I played with it though...not since some of my programming classes.
crtDzyn
May 14 2007, 08:25 PM
QUOTE(Something Like Laughter @ May 14 2007, 04:11 PM) [snapback]1674968[/snapback]
You need to use double instead of float.
[/bad programming joke]
Change your number system. Base 12 works well. Or base 60. Or any base with 3 as a factor.
QUOTE(mako @ May 14 2007, 04:17 PM) [snapback]1674981[/snapback]
Base 12 is my favorite...been a long time since I played with it though...not since some of my programming classes.

Opus Magnus
May 14 2007, 08:49 PM
QUOTE(Something Like Laughter @ May 14 2007, 04:11 PM) [snapback]1674968[/snapback]
You need to use double instead of float.
[/bad programming joke]
Change your number system. Base 12 works well. Or base 60. Or any base with 3 as a factor.
I know the same error will occur in each number system. I'll be back later to do the math and prove it, but for now I have to do other stuff so I don't fail my classes.
IamsSon
May 15 2007, 01:20 AM
QUOTE(Opus Magnus @ May 14 2007, 12:50 PM) [snapback]1674718[/snapback]
3/3 does not equal 1. It equals .99999999999999999999999.... No trinity is a true unity. Father, son and holy ghost; id, ego and superego; past, present and future; above, middle and below; heaven hell and earth.
So, you're using bad math to prove the Holy Trinity is not real? That is what you're trying to do, right?
Lord Umbarger
May 15 2007, 01:36 AM
If myself and two other guys own a business, don't we own the whole thing? If not, who is the fraction of an owner? If there is no other "fraction" owner, then it is safe to say that "WE" are the owners. "WE" each own a third. Is it possible to cut a pie into thirds? I guess St. Patrick explained it best with his three leaf clover analagy.
Let's look at it another way, 0.33333333..... those threes would technically go on forever, right? Doesn't G-d say that he is infinite? Ta-DUHHH!!!!! And this from a Jew no less! You X-tians are seriously slacking. This should have been a piece of cake for one of you! Instead, you allow a Jew to come in here and save your...uh...bacon(?)
Andy: Son, in our county, two and a half boys go hungry every night.
Opie: That's kind of hard to believe, Pa.
Andy: What is?
Opie: That there is a half of a boy living in our county.
Andy: Now, just forget about that.
Opie: About what, Pa?
Andy: Forget about that half of a boy!
Opie: I don't know, Pa. It's kind of hard to forget about half of a boy living in the same county as I do.
longhair
May 29 2007, 03:48 AM
QUOTE(Opus Magnus @ May 14 2007, 11:50 AM) [snapback]1674718[/snapback]
3/3 does not equal 1. It equals .99999999999999999999999.... No trinity is a true unity. Father, son and holy ghost; id, ego and superego; past, present and future; above, middle and below; heaven hell and earth.
You don't understand the trinity. Three pieces of a pie, equally cut. All are part of the same pie yet they are separate and yet the same. The sun in the sky, you see it you get light from it and you feel it's heat. Sun the Father, Light the Son, and the Heat the Holy spirit. All part of the same Sun but coming at you in three different ways. Snow, Ice, and Water. All three are the same thing but come to you in different ways. This is the trinity. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, Three separate entities but of the same essence.
Longhair
MichaelS
Jun 5 2007, 04:50 AM
Okay... let's look at the math here 3/3 is the same as saying 3 divided by 3... 3 goes into 3 once... thus 3/3 = 1.
If you have three out of three sections of a pie- you have a whole pie... or one pie... thus 3/3 = 1
You're trying to twist mathematics around using fuzzy semantic.
hyperactive
Jun 5 2007, 05:21 AM
did we enter into the twilight zone?
if we are going to play math tricks (as if this would even qualify as that), here is one of my favs:
Here's an example of the "imaginary number" version of the 1=2 "proof."
Step 1: -1/1 = 1/-1
Step 2: Taking the square root of both sides gives (-1/1)^1/2 = (1/-1)^1/2
Step 3: Simplifying this gives (-1)^1/2 * (1)^1/2 = (1)^1/2 * (-1)^1/2
Step 4: In other words, i/1 = 1/i (i being the square root of -1)
Step 5: Therefore, i / 2 = 1 / (2i)
Step 6: i/2 + 3/(2i) = 1/(2i) + 3/(2i)
Step 7: i*(i/2 + 3/(2i)) = i*(1/(2i) + 3/(2i))
Step 8: (i^2)/2 + (3i)/(2i) = i/(2i) + (3i)/(2i)
Step 9: (-1)/2 + 3/2 = 1/2 + 3/2
Step 10: and this shows that 1=2
MichaelS
Jun 5 2007, 06:51 AM
I think the fellow is just using Mathematical Rhetoric to try and convince us that the Christian Belief in the Holy Trinity is a Mathematical Impossibility. I guess we could call it Politcal Mathematics or Mathematical Theology.
fullywired
Jun 7 2007, 10:55 AM
This is Thomas Jefferson's view on the subject of the the Trinity
"No historical fact is better established, than that the doctrine of one God, pure and uncompounded, was that of the early ages of Christianity . . . Nor was the unity of the Supreme Being ousted from the Christian creed by the force of reason, but by the sword of civil government, wielded at the will of the Athanasius. The hocus-pocus phantasm of a God like another Cerberus, with one body and three heads, had its birth and growth in the blood of thousands of martyrs . . . The Athanasian paradox that one is three, and three but one, is so incomprehensible to the human mind, that no candid man can say he has any idea of it, and how can he believe what presents no idea? He who thinks he does, only deceives himself. He proves, also, that man, once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without rudder, is the sport of every wind. With such person, gullibility which they call faith, takes the helm from the hand of reason, and the mind becomes a wreck." -- Thomas Jefferson: Letter to James Smith, Dec. 8, 1822
GIDEON MAGE
Jun 7 2007, 12:14 PM
QUOTE(fullywired @ Jun 7 2007, 06:55 AM) [snapback]1713018[/snapback]
This is Thomas Jefferson's view on the subject of the the Trinity
"No historical fact is better established, than that the doctrine of one God, pure and uncompounded, was that of the early ages of Christianity . . . Nor was the unity of the Supreme Being ousted from the Christian creed by the force of reason, but by the sword of civil government, wielded at the will of the Athanasius. The hocus-pocus phantasm of a God like another Cerberus, with one body and three heads, had its birth and growth in the blood of thousands of martyrs . . . The Athanasian paradox that one is three, and three but one, is so incomprehensible to the human mind, that no candid man can say he has any idea of it, and how can he believe what presents no idea? He who thinks he does, only deceives himself. He proves, also, that man, once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without rudder, is the sport of every wind. With such person, gullibility which they call faith, takes the helm from the hand of reason, and the mind becomes a wreck." -- Thomas Jefferson: Letter to James Smith, Dec. 8, 1822
THIS IS A GREAT QUOTE. Of course, 100% of the contents of the n.t. was determined by legislation. It always amazes me that they didn't bother to sneak the trinity into it.
IamsSon
Jun 7 2007, 12:54 PM
What do you know, Thomas Jefferson didn't know everything... but had an opinion about all of it. He was only human, after all.
fullywired
Jun 7 2007, 02:21 PM
QUOTE(IamsSon @ Jun 7 2007, 01:54 PM) [snapback]1713117[/snapback]
What do you know, Thomas Jefferson didn't know everything... but had an opinion about all of it. He was only human, after all.

Surely it must make you wonder ,when you know how and when it was decided
fullywired
mako
Jun 7 2007, 03:37 PM
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Thomas Jefferson didn't know everything... but had an opinion about all of it.
True, Tom was human but a very enlightened human, one that observed what was recorded in history (recorded by Christians) and saw the illogic...kinda like he was the kid that cried, "the emperor has no clothes on!" in the old fairy tale.
Her Royal I-ness
Jun 7 2007, 07:59 PM
To someone who is at peace with God, united with the self, enlightened, whatever you wanna call it, what purpose does breaking down the infinity of this state into a trinity serve? Is it not a little backwards?
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