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NatalieK
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Natalie

There's an enlarged version of the picture in my post.......up a bit


Thanks, I didn't see that tongue.gif But see, now it's too blurry... so still hard to determine anything really imo
Please Explain
Please Explain the pixels of this image.
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Jjbreen
QUOTE(Please Explain @ May 17 2007, 05:29 PM) [snapback]1680499[/snapback]
Please Explain the pixels of this image.
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R U saying these RED pixels are on your copy of the picture. Because they are not on any of the ones that I downloaded and have on the PDF file that I have??
eqgumby
QUOTE(Jjbreen @ May 17 2007, 07:45 PM) [snapback]1680516[/snapback]
R U saying these RED pixels are on your copy of the picture. Because they are not on any of the ones that I downloaded and have on the PDF file that I have??

I think he means the pixels are of varying sizes.
Please Explain
QUOTE(eqgumby @ May 18 2007, 12:47 AM) [snapback]1680518[/snapback]
I think he means the pixels are of varying sizes.
Exactly !
Jjbreen
QUOTE(Please Explain @ May 17 2007, 05:53 PM) [snapback]1680522[/snapback]
Exactly !

That is why I posted other pictures in the above post from Motorola Razr phones at the 160*120 resolution. I even croped on in an akward size and resized it to the 160*120 and still could NOT get the pixelation issues of the OP's Picture. Yes, I actually did some research - basic as it might be. But this does create some questions and thus why I suggested that they go back to the place of orgin and take three photos - Normal, Close UP and Zoom - so that we can
A. See the place in question.
B. See if the pixelation accures again.
Please Explain
QUOTE(Jjbreen @ May 18 2007, 12:57 AM) [snapback]1680528[/snapback]
That is why I posted other pictures in the above post from Motorola Razr phones at the 160*120 resolution. I even croped on in an akward size and resized it to the 160*120 and still could NOT get the pixelation issues of the OP's Picture. Yes, I actually did some research - basic as it might be. But this does create some questions and thus why I suggested that they go back to the place of orgin and take three photos - Normal, Close UP and Zoom - so that we can
A. See the place in question.
B. See if the pixelation accures again.

Ye, i read your post after i posted that image.
The background as you see has small pixels and the pixels surrounding the entity has big pixels.
That means it was pasted on the background.

The image wasn't painted, otherwise it will have the same pixels upon scanning.



missbeliever
If it was photoshopped it was a horrible job.Honestly ,if I think anyone were to go to the effort to make a fake entity they would have tried to make it look real.It looks too much like a photoshop job to actually be a photoshop job.Weird.Could be something.Looks like an alien chamaeleon.Maybe it has the power to not only camouflage itself but also some of it surroundings.
Please Explain
QUOTE(missbeliever @ May 18 2007, 01:25 AM) [snapback]1680563[/snapback]
If it was photoshopped it was a horrible job.
It was surely edited 100 percent.
If you want to do fake, make it the same resolution or scan it.
believer7
You can say what you want. You can believe what you want. But I'm telling you they do exist. I've seen them myself. They come in different colors, and can camaflouge to grey,blue,white, black and green. They can also dissapear. It is true. They have technology that is truly out of this world. You don't have to believe me, but if you don't, it's because you have not experienced a sighting. Once you do, you will never be the same again. For skeptics no proof is good enough, for believers, none is necessary.
Episteme
QUOTE(Please Explain @ May 17 2007, 08:29 PM) [snapback]1680499[/snapback]
Please Explain the pixels of this image.

Agreed, big blocks of pixels. Almost like the quality was intentionally reduced in areas. JPEG does have compression issues, but this isn't normal pixelation.

QUOTE(Jjbreen @ May 17 2007, 08:57 PM) [snapback]1680528[/snapback]
That is why I posted other pictures in the above post from Motorola Razr phones at the 160*120 resolution. I even croped on in an akward size and resized it to the 160*120 and still could NOT get the pixelation issues of the OP's Picture. Yes, I actually did some research - basic as it might be. But this does create some questions and thus why I suggested that they go back to the place of orgin and take three photos - Normal, Close UP and Zoom - so that we can
A. See the place in question.
B. See if the pixelation accures again.

Another good point. Zooming in with a camera shouldn't reduce quality, or size of image - it just... zooms in.

Another issue I don't think anybody has brought up, why is there dark shading all around the "creature"? There is a black shadow around it, not consistant with a normal shadow or shading. These are almost perfectly 2-3 darkened pixels outward from the form.

Only the OP knows if it's fake or real. But from the outside going off of looks alone, it does appear to be just a bad fake. No offense intended, of course, I could imagine how frustrating this could be if it wasn't a hoax. I couldn't guess what kind of camera malfunction would cause something like this.
Please Explain
QUOTE(believer7 @ May 18 2007, 02:10 AM) [snapback]1680609[/snapback]
You can say what you want. You can believe what you want. But I'm telling you they do exist.

Hah.ha.ha. you don't know who am i, i almost believed everything.
Please Explain
QUOTE(believer7 @ May 18 2007, 02:10 AM) [snapback]1680609[/snapback]
They come in different colors, and can camaflouge to grey,blue,white, black and green. They can also dissapear.

You are talking about goblins and gnomes. See ? you only seen 1 percent of reality.
lucidlou
I suggest that all you arm chair photo analysis experts contact some people with real credibility,such as the editor russ at www.ufodata.co.uk and ask him about his research and analysis findings,he is a professional camera man for tv,also an image and photo analysis expert,sorry but most of you people here dont know what you are talking about,i also suggest you contact ufo magazine in the usa who carried out extensive state of the art computer analysis of the photo,they said that the experts said it is a genuine untouched photo and almost impossible to fake such images using a camera phone,ongoing analysis is also taking place by highly trained experts in russia,i am waiting results but the feedback i have had suggests that everything in the photo is consistent with other parts of the photo such as shadows,lighting etc,once again you have to remember that it is such a cheap camera,i hope that this happens to some of you and you are subject to ridicule,sorry but in my opinion they are here and are walking among us,like some have said,no proof is good enough for some people,i also have experts in mexico looking at the image who say they are excited about it.
NatalieK
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I suggest that all you arm chair photo analysis experts contact some people with real credibility,such as the editor russ at www.ufodata.co.uk and ask him about his research and analysis findings


I actually already have emailed them in regards to the pic. I was curious as to what their take was on it, just waiting for a reply now...
lucidlou
Great piece of computer imaging work rapid 7,and great words from believer 7,i couldent agree with you more.
Feanor
QUOTE(lucidlou @ May 18 2007, 05:58 AM) [snapback]1680991[/snapback]
I suggest that all you arm chair photo analysis experts contact some people with real credibility,such as the editor russ at www.ufodata.co.uk and ask him about his research and analysis findings,he is a professional camera man for tv,also an image and photo analysis expert,sorry but most of you people here dont know what you are talking about,i also suggest you contact ufo magazine in the usa who carried out extensive state of the art computer analysis of the photo,they said that the experts said it is a genuine untouched photo and almost impossible to fake such images using a camera phone,ongoing analysis is also taking place by highly trained experts in russia,i am waiting results but the feedback i have had suggests that everything in the photo is consistent with other parts of the photo such as shadows,lighting etc,once again you have to remember that it is such a cheap camera,i hope that this happens to some of you and you are subject to ridicule,sorry but in my opinion they are here and are walking among us,like some have said,no proof is good enough for some people,i also have experts in mexico looking at the image who say they are excited about it.



Well, I am happy for you. I hope your experts find something. But never say ppl here knows don't know nothing. Among us I am sure there are ppl that work with images, science, biology and all subjects this forum can put forward to discussion.
I work with imagery. But for more I say this image is real, or this image is fake, there will be ALWAYS someone who wont give credit. THIS IS THE NET. Anyboy can say anything on the net, there are no barrier, so don't demand ppl believe every crapy image that are throw on their face.

YOU know nothing about the ppl on the other side, as we for sure know nothing about you.
For me you can be a genious or just a nut crack, but who cares?

mutationman
I dont really believe that the OP is serious. Experts in both UK, US and Russia looking at this photo? And the ones in UK and US already said its real. My guess is, its all a joke, he just wants to see if he can make people believe he is serious. And also if he can make a few believe the photo is real, not to hoax them, but to make fun of them.
eqgumby
This reminds me of the thread on the chunk of metal a guy got from some one that claimed they found on a road in New Mexico.
Please Explain
QUOTE(lucidlou @ May 18 2007, 08:58 AM) [snapback]1680991[/snapback]
I suggest that all you arm chair photo analysis experts contact some people with real credibility,such as the editor russ at www.ufodata.co.uk and ask him about his research and analysis findings,he is a professional camera man for tv,also an image and photo analysis expert,sorry but most of you people here dont know what you are talking about,i also suggest you contact ufo magazine in the usa who carried out extensive state of the art computer analysis of the photo,they said that the experts said it is a genuine untouched photo and almost impossible to fake such images using a camera phone,ongoing analysis is also taking place by highly trained experts in russia,i am waiting results but the feedback i have had suggests that everything in the photo is consistent with other parts of the photo such as shadows,lighting etc,once again you have to remember that it is such a cheap camera,i hope that this happens to some of you and you are subject to ridicule,sorry but in my opinion they are here and are walking among us,like some have said,no proof is good enough for some people,i also have experts in mexico looking at the image who say they are excited about it.
I'm gonna bet a milllion dollar, no expert is going to believe that picture.
Any expert will ask you to give them the original photo, where is it? can you post it? otherwise i will truly call you a liar.
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sorry but in my opinion they are here and are walking among us

Oh ! in your opinion ! In my words one of them is my friend.
They've been here for ages. But don't fool us with a fake photo.
morrison1976
LUCIDLOU. You still need to answer some questions.

1- did you see the creature, or did you take the photo then notice the creature.
2- did the creature see you, and if yes, what was the creatures reation?

Jjbreen
QUOTE(eqgumby @ May 18 2007, 07:36 AM) [snapback]1681372[/snapback]
This reminds me of the thread on the chunk of metal a guy got from some one that claimed they found on a road in New Mexico.

Funny I was thinking the same exact thing..... sigh ......

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Jjbreen
QUOTE(lucidlou @ May 18 2007, 01:58 AM) [snapback]1680991[/snapback]
I suggest that all you arm chair photo analysis experts contact some people with real credibility,such as the editor russ at www.ufodata.co.uk and ask him about his research and analysis findings,he is a professional camera man for tv,also an image and photo analysis expert,sorry but most of you people here dont know what you are talking about,i also suggest you contact ufo magazine in the usa who carried out extensive state of the art computer analysis of the photo,they said that the experts said it is a genuine untouched photo and almost impossible to fake such images using a camera phone,ongoing analysis is also taking place by highly trained experts in russia,i am waiting results but the feedback i have had suggests that everything in the photo is consistent with other parts of the photo such as shadows,lighting etc,once again you have to remember that it is such a cheap camera,i hope that this happens to some of you and you are subject to ridicule,sorry but in my opinion they are here and are walking among us,like some have said,no proof is good enough for some people,i also have experts in mexico looking at the image who say they are excited about it.

I did notice you did not address the FACT that I have pictures taken at 160 * 120 w/a Motorola Razr. Funny how they do not look as bad as yours - and these were not "touched up" just point, shoot and put on the computer. This was done for comparison to your picture. I even croped one out of size and then had it re-sized to the 160*120 and I still could NOT get the pixelation you did!

But I also do investigation, analysis and such for a living. I have done so for just under 30 years now.

So I would love the explination how it is your Razr is so pixelated when this poor resolution just isn't found in any other Razr? I even took a picture w/my Palm T3 - which is worse then a cell phone and still could NOT get this bad a pixelation. So I'm at a loss ....
morrison1976
Why wont you answer the question that i put across. In fact, people have raised many questions about this photo, but you have not answerd them. All you keep saying is that ufo data have looked at it and its not fake. I really dont know how they can come to this conclusion, as it is such a bad photo, that, to me, just shows a painting or drawing.
rapid7

QUOTE(morrison1976 @ May 19 2007, 04:24 PM) [snapback]1683046[/snapback]
Why wont you answer the question that i put across. In fact, people have raised many questions about this photo, but you have not answerd them.


The questions have already been answered-I know you live in China so maybe you didn’t read the original account- (maybe censorship issues?)

linked-image

I don't see what the big deal is- there isn't a claim-

linked-image

Big deal, she left out the word 'possible' entity caught on camera in the original thread.

Is it possible entities /aliens are casually walking around the UK country side? Sure.. of course it would take more evidence than this pic..
Another point conceeded. Wow.
Anyway If you ever get verification... I meet you in the pub.. you'll gonna need a strong drink.
Lt_Ripley
it looks like Gumby. where's Pokey?
Lt_Ripley
QUOTE(Pandora2173 @ May 16 2007, 07:45 AM) [snapback]1677632[/snapback]
I agree with most people here. Actually looks like some kind of painting or drawing. I call BS.


I agree. actually it looks like an amateurish pastel. if this is from an art student my advice would be to not give up your day job. (and no I'm not a skeptic and I have a FA degree )

added - after viewing the enlarged pic on page 3 I believe , you can see where parts of the tree limbs disappear. would a cell phone camera do this ? why would you zoom at all and why not on the tree? if you didn't see the 'alien ' there what exactly was your point of intrest in the photo? clearly it wasn't the tree unless the photo is cropped.
morrison1976
Had to change this post after i went back and saw what rapid wrote. Still, the photo looks like a painting
Lt_Ripley
QUOTE(morrison1976 @ May 19 2007, 02:18 PM) [snapback]1683322[/snapback]
Thats what i am confused about. He said that these beings are invisible to the naked eye, so does that mean he did not see the creature. If that is the case, what made him take a zoomed in photo of basicly nothing. Hope he comes back on and clears that up.


what is sad is it is stuff and stories like this that give a legitimate area of study a bad name and make it unbelievable. Not to mention crack pot 'researchers' out there who believe and print every thing that comes across their desk. it's a disservice. like I stated I'm not a skeptic , but I'm not a rube either.
Jjbreen
QUOTE(Lt_Ripley @ May 19 2007, 11:23 AM) [snapback]1683334[/snapback]
what is sad is it is stuff and stories like this that give a legitimate area of study a bad name and make it unbelievable. Not to mention crack pot 'researchers' out there who believe and print every thing that comes across their desk. it's a disservice. like I stated I'm not a skeptic , but I'm not a rube either.

Ditto - I think this as many other recent posts have done this a no small dis-service.
Credibility has lost so much ground that I'm not surprised that it's not taken seriously anymore. As long as the believers keep allowing stuff like this to take to the 'air waves' and you do NOTHING about it - you are the cause of the loss of ground. NOT the Skeptics.... but "you" who believe.
See Edited post below....
skyeagle409
QUOTE(Jjbreen @ May 19 2007, 06:42 PM) [snapback]1683360[/snapback]
Dittio - I think this as many other recent posts have done this a no smal discervice. Crediblity has lost so much ground that I'm not surprised that it's not taken seriously anymore. As long as the believers keep allowing stuff like this to take to the 'air waves' and you do NOTHING about it - you are the cause of the loss of ground. NOT the Skeptics.... but "you" who believe.


Perhaps, they are skeptics who've disguised themselves as believers.
Unlimited
QUOTE(Jjbreen @ May 19 2007, 06:42 PM) [snapback]1683360[/snapback]
Dittio - I think this as many other recent posts have done this a no smal discervice. Crediblity has lost so much ground that I'm not surprised that it's not taken seriously anymore. As long as the believers keep allowing stuff like this to take to the 'air waves' and you do NOTHING about it - you are the cause of the loss of ground. NOT the Skeptics.... but "you" who believe.


who's giving this thread legs..skeptics...jj you really need to work on the spelling....
missbeliever
QUOTE(skyeagle409 @ May 19 2007, 03:23 PM) [snapback]1683403[/snapback]
Perhaps, they are skeptics who've disguised themselves as believers.


Or...they could be ..believers,who diguise themselves as Skeptics disguised as believers.
Jjbreen
QUOTE(Jjbreen @ May 19 2007, 11:42 AM) [snapback]1683360[/snapback]
Ditto - I think this as many other recent posts have done this a no small dis-service.
Credibility has lost so much ground that I'm not surprised that it's not taken seriously anymore. As long as the believers keep allowing stuff like this to take to the 'air waves' and you do NOTHING about it - you are the cause of the loss of ground. NOT the Skeptics.... but "you" who believe.


EDITED:
Ok - try typing w/a 16 month old g'daughter in your lap. Good grief... People typo's happen, ESPECIALLY w/g'child in lap. You know what, I can and will live w/that... happily....

But I suppose that is the best you can do, huh? Pick on typos - wow, such wisdom, insight and well - showing us what you are really all about... thumbsup.gif That's the best you got, is to point out typos - well that speaks volumes....
Ann_Hedonia
QUOTE(Frootloop @ May 16 2007, 11:33 AM) [snapback]1677618[/snapback]
ive noticed the pic a few times before, each with a different story to back it up. im happy to be proved wrong though.


The thing is, any "humanoid" would bend at the knees, not at a point just above the ankles like that, right?
Jjbreen
Well at this point:
I've tried to create the pixelation of the orginal "Entity" Photo:

Few friends that have Razrs - Nada cannot do it. They are all clear, clean and crisp.
I've even went one lower: Palm T3 w/Veo camera. Nada it's even surprisingly clear.
I've used my Nokia 6102i - Nope clear and clean. Even doing the video is and frame freeze, nope.
Even did a super low rez on my Nikio CP995 - video and freeze frame.

I cannot for the life of me create the pixelation that is this bad - cannot be done.

This would >>appear<< to have been pixelated or distorted on PURPOSE - for I've yet to see a Razr just do this. As I would tell a math prof on one of his challenges: "The math doesn't work..." (In that specific case, I was right - it didn't.)
lucidlou
Click to view attachment With regards to people asking questions,all the information is avaiable in the article on the www.ufodata.co.uk website which i posted a link to in my original post,i have just recieved an email from them saying the analysis results are inconclusive and the photo at present remains a genuine mystery,some people where asking for the original photo and here it is.
NatalieK
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i have just recieved an email from them saying the analysis results are inconclusive and the photo at present remains a genuine mystery


Least they emailed you, they haven't responded to my enquiry as of yet disgust.gif I was extremely polite too. But it is your picture afterall, not mine so I can't expect much.
lucidlou
Click to view attachment Today i recieved yet another email in support for my story,a lady who wishes to remain anonymous contacted me and told me she had read my story,she also sent me a small photograph which she claims she took on her mobile phone at full zoom,she claims not to have seen anything at the time and when later looking at the image on her pc she saw what could be a flying saucer,this backs up and is proof that other people take photos just as small and blury as the one i took,so thats that cleared up,this is also proof that invisible crafts and entities are here on earth without us been able to see them,and for some reason they are caught on digital cameras,if you look through the internet you will find many examples of such experiences,i cant proove if her photo is real or not,but i tend to believe her after what happened to me,and again she was laughed at by people,i will let the readers decide.
Feanor
QUOTE(lucidlou @ May 21 2007, 09:31 AM) [snapback]1686136[/snapback]
Click to view attachment Today i recieved yet another email in support for my story,a lady who wishes to remain anonymous contacted me and told me she had read my story,she also sent me a small photograph which she claims she took on her mobile phone at full zoom,she claims not to have seen anything at the time and when later looking at the image on her pc she saw what could be a flying saucer,this backs up and is proof that other people take photos just as small and blury as the one i took,so thats that cleared up,this is also proof that invisible crafts and entities are here on earth without us been able to see them,and for some reason they are caught on digital cameras,if you look through the internet you will find many examples of such experiences,i cant proove if her photo is real or not,but i tend to believe her after what happened to me,and again she was laughed at by people,i will let the readers decide.



Well, for me this image is worse than the other already presented to us.
Look at the image below, Will you say me that you believe this thing is real??!?!

linked-image
Unlimited
these pics are all so fake...whats the purpose of this thread....
rapid7

QUOTE(Unlimited @ May 21 2007, 02:04 PM) [snapback]1686172[/snapback]
these pics are all so fake...whats the purpose of this thread....


That's the problem with photographic evidence. It's either fake or...etc.. you can't say for certain. The pixel can be the results of compression- lighting conditions etc.
Some are grouped together in blocks (giving the impression of larger pixels, but the size of the pixels are the same.)

You always need additional info... until it meets the requirements of the ever elusive 'extraordinary evidence' required for an extraordinary claim.
My point is only that the real McCoy will also be dismissed as a fake; the alien looks too like science fiction. laugh.gif

A_Soul's_Dream
the picture looks like a painting done in rough colors. the yellow tree contrast is different from the rest of the surrounding. also, if you were to take a camera phone and zoom it x4, you will get a very blurry picture. not something as clear and as crispt as the one posted here. my guess is that someone took the phone and took a picture of a painting without the ower of the phone knowing.
hippi
I don't see any evidence of anything having been pasted on to this picture; the grid lines for the pixels all show consistent continuity both horizontally and vertically throughout the picture. One thing is clear, however: This picture is far too fuzzy to draw any conclusions about what might be in this picture. It might be nothing more than a dead tree with some twisted branches.

disgust.gif mellow.gif wacko.gif angry.gif unsure.gif
lucidlou
I dont think its a dead tree as im sure i would have noticed it at the time,i think it is a living creature,if you look at the enlarged photo on the ufodata link the creature looks very startled and looks as if it is looking around,it almost looks worried,just a thought.
snuffypuffer
QUOTE(Thozzman @ May 16 2007, 06:18 AM) [snapback]1677599[/snapback]
The trick is not to be fooled. Just take them for what they are and draw no conclusions.


Isn't that method kind of, yanno, retarded?
Ann_Hedonia
QUOTE(Feanor @ May 21 2007, 12:52 PM) [snapback]1686157[/snapback]
Well, for me this image is worse than the other already presented to us.
Look at the image below, Will you say me that you believe this thing is real??!?!

linked-image


To me that looks like one of those scenes from a video game. Natalie, where can I find your story? I would very much like to read it.--Denise
lucidlou
Have any of you stopped to think that if the photo shows an extraterrestrial lifeform how important this is,i think it could be one of if not the most important story in history??
Please Explain
QUOTE(lucidlou @ May 21 2007, 11:36 AM) [snapback]1686094[/snapback]
,some people where asking for the original photo and here it is.

That's not original ! why keep fooling us ? I don't care if you're promoting a website or
you believe in Aliens.
Feanor
QUOTE(Ann_Hedonia @ May 22 2007, 11:48 PM) [snapback]1689372[/snapback]
To me that looks like one of those scenes from a video game. Natalie, where can I find your story? I would very much like to read it.--Denise


Its a real image with a fake saucer I stuck there with photoshop. But I bet, If I had posted it here, arguing it was a pic a friend of the friend of my friend took with his cell phone ultra sharp cam. Many ppl would be arguing if the pic took by a friend of the friend of my friend was real or not....

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