Here is a video documentary showing some of these skills that can be learned through similar techniques I am teaching here on these pages:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aos0hnwiHt8

Its related to the same thing, your inner energy, just different ways of using it. This guy use it to put paper on fire and to give people electrical shocks, and he use it for healing etc.

its many ways to apply this energy.

Looks like he had a hard time 'curing' the narrator's eye. Not to mention the death of the brother. Yeah, he sure uses that chi to heal people

And what the hell, your not allowed to film me doing this? It's the same crap I hear in the 2000's!!!! So at least we know the hoaxers wouldn't prove themselves, back in the 80's. There is a $200 dollar challange available to anyone who can produce these skills so they can be documented, and SHARED with the PUBLIC.

Most of these illusionists preach that they do it for the good of man. But they will never provide PROOF on how it is done. Other than smoke filled mirrors, and double talk. The video would have been more believible if I had seen a skeptic get 'shocked'. And I can make paper ignite too! (Its called FLASH paper) Look inside that rolled up paper he lights, see that orange flash (key word FLASH)

Smoke and mirrors just leaves us with mirrors that need washing.

I understand that you are a 'new kid on the block'. This video has already made the 'rounds' here more than a few times and it's 'crediblity' has been challenged. Even to the point that I asked a friend that is from Japan and is trained in Eastern Medicine and has his license to practice. I asked him about this video and there is NO "psi" ablity in this video at all. It's all related to "Power of Suggestion" - "accupreasure" and "accupunture" practices and a little 'drama acting', which is also a part of this practice.

The video is also NOT objective at all. It is also EDITED and given POST PRODUCTION work - taking out all the things we are NOT suppose to see that would debunk this video more than it already has been.

It has also been stated that it is funny that teacher and believers like, well you - go to "No Name YouTube Videos" to "prove your claims - yet avoid doing this yourself. Funny how that is a very consistant practice here. AVOID first hand accountablity.

Check these two videos documenting what I just mentioned. And I'm using the videos as example to show the different powers we possess and can learn to handle.

Only reason I know it is real is because I practise similar things myself, and I have used my chi to create a psi ball to throw a friend of mind away with when he didnt expect it among other things. But I focus more on internal work than external, these things were fun at younger age. As I stated over and over and over again, the ONLY way to know if its real is to start practising it yourself and you will see. Thats how true skeptics find out the truth - by experimenting. Anything else is just being a lazy ass waiting for nothing and getting no where. I used to be a nonbeliever of all supernatural and paranormal and spiritual etc, until I started trying it out and saw that it was indeed real.

Moving and crushing objects with mindpower:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JYGqVA9xc4...ted&search=

Affecting people and throwing them away with chi:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu99GRUUN6Y...ted&search=

And another one where infrared cameras are also used to see the energy emitting from the hands:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6UTGkC73GE...ted&search=

Look for other videos about Chi and Qi gong at Youtube for more.

I was waaaay dissapointed with all 3!

Video 1 (WHAT WAS UNDER THE TABLE?) until this is done on a CLEAR surface, there could have been a magnet in the water dish, and someone under the table with another magnet. HIYAH! (move bucket que)

Video 2 Yeah, my 'master' touches me and I jump. Didn't see the documentor jumping to the touch. Said the guy was trembiling, sounds like nervousness to me.

Video 3 Ripley's Believe it or Not, I choose NOT, that is a TV show. They EDIT the outcomes to suit THEIR needs. The same with the documentary one (#2) but they let slip some truth with the shaking hands.

I give these video's 2 thumbs down.

OH good grief - UM has a wonder SEARCH feature. ALL and I repeat ALL of this have been posted and rationally and logically debunked. Even the IR/Thermal Camera. The device he rolls w/his hand likely has herbs or ointment in it that creates heat just like BEN GAY will do and has ALSO been shown on Thermal Camera to heat up the skin.

DarkBreed:
Take the $200.00 challenge on the Pin/Psi Wheel and make your own video - prove this YOURSELF! After all this is what you preach - to pracitce what you preach. You preach videos of this - so MAKE ONE... under the guidelines set in the challenge.

PRACITCE WHAT YOU PREACH, DUDE! I dare you to!!

^^ Does no use to post videos of people practicing psi. When you do, people will say that it is fake and give a reason why.

Yeah, who would want to have the opposite side to a story? Who wouldn't want proof of something?

World without sceptics...

ME: Yeah I can fly like superman!
STRANGER: Really, thats awesome!
NEWS: Man can fly like superman! More at 11.

World with sceptics... (the real one)

ME: Yeah I can fly like superman!
STRANGER: Prove it!
ME: Uhhhhh, I don't do 'proof'.
NEWS: Weather, tonight at 11.

You want people to believe these outragous claims, then be prepared to offer the 'Proof'. Since no one will take up the challenge, I will be doing it. I can use THERMODYNAMICS to move a PSI WHEEL, this will be filmed, as well as what happens when I remove the SCIENCE from the equation. Then we will have our PROOF that it is NOT real. The ball will be in your court shortly, please prepare to hit it, or be hit by it.

Hahaha!

ben gay can heat up to 202°F ? LMAO

As I allready said , a true skeptic is one who search out the source himself, and experiments himself, and tries to see if it is real. He doesnt sit on his ass to watch videos of people claiming to doing the real thing. How can this prove anything?

Seek up some of the masters who claim they can do such things, and ask them to demonstrate to you in person. That might prove something.

Better is to learn it yourself though, practise it and experiment with it for some months, daily, and you should see that its real. If not, well then you're doing something wrong or aint getting too into it.

Peace

THIS is WHY we DEMAND PROOF this is what YOU said when WE asked YOU a TEACHER to SHOW US.



EVERY 'MASTER' I have EVER talked to and asked for PROOF has said this SAME thing. PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH Teach.


**EDIT**

BY the way the quote is from his own fingers, from this thread http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...95201&st=30

I call shenanigans!

so how many masters have you talked to and who were they? I would like to do my own research about them and contact them myself. I cant just take your word for it. I need proof too

202 Degrees?
Based on what? The video that's been edited for our entertainment....

Here is a challenge - find out what happens to skin exposed to 202 Degrees of heat.... any kind of heat.

ALSO NOTE:
We are not given his real name or address so that NO - ZERO validation of any kind can be followed up with. This is rather important to note - there is NO way to follow up or even validate that this person actually exists and we are not being scammed by an actor pulling off a 'mystic show'.

do you have proof of this video being edited?

it is easy to discredit something because it hasnt happened to you but that doesnt mean that its not real. the whole ben gay thing I just thought was funny. of course it heats up...duh

let me know how your challenge goes

Umm - yes - Just look/watch the Video.

the cuts/splices all through the video. Called "Post Production Editing. If I remember the term correctly.

Was this a 'trick question'??

so the video was edited. last time I check most all videos have cuts and splices. Im sorry if it was not edited to your specifications or liking but it is not proof that what happened in the video is not real.

and yes it would be called post production.

no trick. let me know how your challange goes

He asked - I didn't claim it was done 'to my specification' - it was actually done to the "editor's specifications" and producers specificationis. Which I totally understand.

Now we have to ask:

A. Was there bias in the editing and post production?
B. Was there honest OBJECTIVITY?
IF So: Why no name? Why no location? We have ZERO evidence to even come close to validating the claims of the producers. It would seem effort was taken to avoid any way to validate the claim.

Plus most of what was done is nothing more then Accupucnture or accupreasure point.

Jj -

You make it sound like I'm saying being skeptic is a bad thing -_-. I'm not saying being skeptic is a bad thing, its good just not to be closed minded. I'm not saying I can move a house with a flick of a finger or anything like that, just saying that based on my experience here in UM, the majority if not all of the videos posted with a person doing psi has been replied with "its fake", or "if you believe this, your a noob".

Btw by "You want people to believe", did you mean me specifically, or you as in people who believe in psi?

"Plus most of what was done is nothing more then Accupucnture or accupreasure point"

really? you are sure of this? do you have some proof to back up your claim?

I was not there for the making of the video or the editing so I can not validate or discredit anything. this is my last reply to this thread. its been fun...sorta

D

Actually if you read page one where one of my posts are:


Now you want proof - do EXACTLY what I did. Show the video to a licensed Eastern Medicine Dr. of Accupuncture/Preasure and see that he will also tell you the same thing as in the above quote; - best evidence there is, go out and do like wise. That way you hear it for yourself w/your own ears and will find that I've not mis-quoted or represented anything.

I apologize for not clarifying my point, I meant the people who spew this filth as "psience" and not "Science". Honestly, if it were a real feat of magic, these 'fakers' ruin it for the people who can truely do this stuff. Of course the challenge still has a full pot, so I doubt this stuff is real. At least the PSI WHEEL.

As for the Masters I have talked to, all were 'Local' bafoons. I would see them in our 'spiritual' places, ie TAROT card readers and the like. All could NOT prove what they preached, heh even a bonus if they practiced it. I lived (at the time of the masters of the universe) in Kokomo Indiana, its a podunk town, in the middle of Indiana, go on up there to validate my claims, Im sure they would love to talk to a semi-beliver.

**EDIT**
Everyone should check out Teach's other thread, his lesson #2, in there he tells us that videos are edited and etc. BUT WAIT!!! Here videos are okay to use! Wow double standards rock! (well sink like one anyways)

theres a 200 challenge if i make a video of using psi/chi (i prefer chi) i get 200 dollars pm me with details

The $300.00 Challenge.
Read it all carefully.

The first video i watch, they actually brought scientist to do some testing, and the second guy of the video actually agreed no problem, Did you guys watch it? Does that give any credibility I wonder since he agreed to let the scientist test him in somewhat of a controlled environment?

If something as amazing as psi were real and can be proven among this community I really doubt 200-300 dollars is worth it. Someone should make it 10k

For the believers, you do have to realize that the skeptics are very hard into believing things out of the norm, If you honestly want to prove things to them make sure what you have is very very usable, Put yourself in the skeptics mind and imagine what would they say.

If you could prove it, be aware of being tested in a controlled environment, and if you successfully proved it, be also aware that this will become public, and if you cannot handle the publicity don't attempt to prove anything.

I would imagine if this psi thing can be proven, this will be extremely high profile through out the world, and i imagine the person that wanted a normal life will no longer have a normal life.
Just my theory...

for the challenge
whats a pinwhell?

Hey if you want there is a $1,000,000.00 challenge by a very bitter man: James Randi.

I think the $300.00 is a reasonable award for spinning a pin-wheel w/"TK". I know for 100% certainity it will never be taken for the simple reason - the teachers, like the recent postings of Darkbreed, they KNOW they cannot do this - it is 100% talk, nothing more and a whole LOT less.

The thing is - I've put my money where my mouth is - as did Anthony. Now what has become clearly obvious - the 'believers' simply cannot 'walk their talk' - they just give lame ass excuse after excuse.


Well that is a very big IF 'they could prove it'. Because they know they cannot. In acts of desperation they go to YouTube and Google Videos to find "NO NAME VIDEOS" - that are easily challenged and debunked. The big question is - why do they go to other videos IF this is so "real". Take the $300.00 challenge and supply YOUR OWN DANG VIDEO! OOps, they can't - because they cannot do what they talk about here on UM.
Talk is C H E A P - really cheap. Actions speaks volume.

There is not one Teacher - Preacher - Believer that will take this challenge - because they KNOW they will fail and thus cause all the believers to "loose hope" in something that has no hope in the first place.

It's just that simple. Failure is 100% assured.

Well there are a few types of people in the world.
1 Those who do not believe anything without seeing it.
2 Those who do have psychic abilities but do not publicly display the due to being feared or isolated.
3 Those who are fake and just seek attention.
4 Those who use their abilities and face the gauntlet.

I'm a skeptical believer. I know we humans are capable of more than we realize ,but I will search for the truth to such psychic powers.
It takes a great deal of will-power, concentration, and mental training to do even the smallest form of TK. I can make a candle flame bend to the left or right when Im in a deeply relaxed state however It always ends with a "ice cream" headache. We generate a bio electric field so chi or psi is the manipulation of said field.

Actually I've come to see that for all of the Psi Believers:
It is easier to 'talk the talk' - being accountable to ones words and claims simply is not even a remote requirement. In fact it's become quite clear that no one even cares at all to be accountable for their words and claims.

Just "talk" important - "sound" important and accountablity - RUN LIKE HELL or give lame ass excuses -- which is exactly what is the case. Then they wonder why they are not taken seriously? Until they come to a point to actually be accountable they are nothing more then the average Con-Artist, It's just that simple.