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user posted image rAnthony North: Premonition, precognition, second sight – three labels often applied to the ability to see into the future. This is, infact, one of the most troublesome areas of paranormal research. This is so for two reasons.The first is the sheer volume of supposed cases – everyone, it seems, has hints of the ability some time in their lives. And second, the apparent impossibility of being able to see the future before it happens. The Theories: Many exotic theories have been attempted to explain the ability to see the future. Typical is the ‘bow wave’ effect. Here it is argued that, just as a boat leaves a wake from its bow, so, too, with time, sending ripples of a future event back into the past.Consciousness has often been used to explain premonition. Typical is the idea that we have several states of consciousness, some bigger than others, and witnessing events ahead of the consciousness we already experience.The problem with such theories is not simply the fact that there is no real science to back them up. Unfortunately, experience of being human places immense stumbling blocks upon accepting the ability as credible.

Problems, problems everywhere: The first major stumbling block to accepting an ability to see into the future is ‘free will.’ It is self-evident that we seem to have it. But free will can only be true if the future is an unknown country. If it was mapped out, free will would become an irrelevance.A similar problem arises with the law of causality. Stated simply, a cause must come before an event. If premonition is to be accepted, then it has also to be accepted that knowledge of an event can come before the cause.So it seems, at our present level of knowledge, there is nothing in science or experience that allows us to see into the future. But this is not to deny that ‘premonitions’ occur. It simply suggests that whatever is going on has to be tied to the present.

Laws of chance: We can, perhaps, answer the problem on many different levels. The first is to understand an important point about paranormal phenomena. We have a habit of tying phenomena to the individual. But often an explanation can come from a wider society.Consider, in a country such as the United States, chance dictates that there could be upwards of a million nightmares on a particular night. Of these, it is inevitable that some would hold imagery of, say, a particular type of disaster.If such a disaster happened in the days following such a nightmare, it would be tagged as a premonition, when, in reality, it is nothing more than an inevitability of chance. In a society, such coincidences are bound to happen.

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ShaunZero
I think as humans we have a hard time understanding the concept. I hear everyone saying that if we could see into the future, it would negate free-will. How? We would simply be seeing what we are going to CHOOSE(Via Free-will) later in the future. I do not understand how this will force you to make that decision, instead of just simply displaying what you will choose. It's not your choice being based on the vision, it is the vision that is based on what you have done in the future(As if it already happened, in which case "based on what you have done").
Aaron Whisman
A week before one of my best friends, Jeff, died in a car wreck I had a dream that he died the exact same way. I kind of kept it to myself until about a month had passed and then told another one of my friends. They just thought it was kinda freaky..

I don't really know where I stand on the belief of premonitions and being to see future events. Everything you stated is basically true, but there just might be some greater force preparing us for a situation.

But it is a very interesting topic to discuss..Nice find.
ships-cat
We've already had this conversation next week. We're just pre-peating ourselves here tongue.gif

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keenu
Until we understand that "scientifically proven" is not the ultimate say we will remain as we are.
Another thing we need to understand is that all time is simultaneous. The past and future are the same as now.
Change of focus = change of time
So, yes we can "see" the future...and that future can be changed from the now.
Daluni
QUOTE(keenu @ May 21 2007, 06:22 PM) [snapback]1686425[/snapback]
Until we understand that "scientifically proven" is not the ultimate say we will remain as we are.
Another thing we need to understand is that all time is simultaneous. The past and future are the same as now.
Change of focus = change of time
So, yes we can "see" the future...and that future can be changed from the now.


Well keenu, you're heading in the right direction. Before science, nothing was scientifically proven. We know a lot more these days but there's so much more to know. Even something as basic as gravity isn't fully understood. Come on you science guys, but you're back into it and explore some more stuff original.gif

Seeing the future is something you don't do with a microscope, it's something you do with you're mind. If done it a few times over the last couple of years (mostly spontaneously) and it's the same experience as sensing/seeing something in the now. Like you mentioned it's got to do with changing your focus. If the object/subject of your focus is in the now or past it doesn't matter. Even things in the future. The distance to the object or subject doesn't seem to matter. These observations are of course totally personal, came to me at random and I can't prove them here. From my experience I do have got the strong conviction that the rules of time and space that are binding for matter don't count for the human mind (to begin with).

So, does the human mind travel through time and space to sense things or is the information picked up with a sort of mental antenna from a infinite sea of knowledge that crosses the boundaries of time and space? I don't know, in my experience it wasn't like I travelled through time or space but went straight to what I focussed on. It's much like a big library (google for Akashic records).

I've seen a few things in the future (by now it's the past) that was quite strange. A couple of times I saw two possibilities at once, blurring the image or mixing it in a funny way. Once I saw a situation and tried to evade it but it happened anyway. These things and more made me think that the future isn't always predestined but sometimes inevitable.


keenu
QUOTE(Daluni @ May 21 2007, 08:58 PM) [snapback]1687282[/snapback]
Well keenu, you're heading in the right direction. Before science, nothing was scientifically proven. We know a lot more these days but there's so much more to know. Even something as basic as gravity isn't fully understood. Come on you science guys, but you're back into it and explore some more stuff original.gif

Seeing the future is something you don't do with a microscope, it's something you do with you're mind. If done it a few times over the last couple of years (mostly spontaneously) and it's the same experience as sensing/seeing something in the now. Like you mentioned it's got to do with changing your focus. If the object/subject of your focus is in the now or past it doesn't matter. Even things in the future. The distance to the object or subject doesn't seem to matter. These observations are of course totally personal, came to me at random and I can't prove them here. From my experience I do have got the strong conviction that the rules of time and space that are binding for matter don't count for the human mind (to begin with).

So, does the human mind travel through time and space to sense things or is the information picked up with a sort of mental antenna from a infinite sea of knowledge that crosses the boundaries of time and space? I don't know, in my experience it wasn't like I travelled through time or space but went straight to what I focussed on. It's much like a big library (google for Akashic records).

I've seen a few things in the future (by now it's the past) that was quite strange. A couple of times I saw two possibilities at once, blurring the image or mixing it in a funny way. Once I saw a situation and tried to evade it but it happened anyway. These things and more made me think that the future isn't always predestined but sometimes inevitable.


I don't think that the human mind travels through space and time because they only exist here in physical reality. Our consciousness/mind functions in a reality where all is here and all is now, so no need to travel. As for the picking up of information, yes, all information is right there for the picking-up-on. That is a part of how it works. Change the focus - change the time- change the where. I don't think that any future is inevitable until it is manifest. Even then it can be changed by ones outlook and belief.
I guess if I threw myself under a bus that action would become inevitable at the throwing...but my death might not be. I could survive...even if death had been my intent at the time.
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