now that all doubt has been removed concerning the cia involvement in the assasination of JFK thanks to Howard Hunts deathbed confession which he did due to his belief that his wife had been mudered-- the bottom line was that he was one of the tramps arrested that day and was acting as a bench warmer assasin for the cia and that lbj and the cia were the guilty culprits that assasinated jfk-- anyway i feel it colaborates a theory i had concerning the "zapruder" film of the jfk assasination-- now i had discussed this a year or so ago here on the forum but didnt get much of a response-- apparently it has been discussed before on the net but this is the first thread dedicated to it-- DID WILLIAM GREER SHOOT JFK?? the driver of the limo in the zapruder film is clearly seen shooting jfk-- ill include links to view it below as well as outline what i see--

WARNING there is graphic footage of the assassination of jfk in the links below-- now taking it from the beggining the car emerges from behind a sign at which point i believe jfk has already been shot as he unusually raises his elbows and grabs his throat now at this point jacky is curious and appears to be examining the look in jfk's eyes aware of something being wrong while this is going on you can clearly see the passengers prepare for the incident by comletely turning their bodies 90 degrees in an effort to give space as well as block the vision of bystanders-- you may have to view the film a few times to view all the different actions and reactions-- watching the driver youll notice imediately after the post passes you can see him change steering hands from left to right at which point a faint "ping" from the sun on his revolver can be seen in his left hand at this point he turns his head once to aim and as he turns his head the second time watch jfk's head after which he turns around and slightly ducks his head at which point the extremely visible "ping" of the sun reflecting off the revoler can be seen very clearly andthey drive off as jacky obviously terrorfied tries to jump out the back of a moving vehicle-- youve heard my thoughts on the subject now im curous as to whether or not anyone else sees the same thing??
Zapruder - Real player
Zapruder - stabilized Quicktime
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Well I cant get any of those links to work but I have seen what you are talking about before and I believe its a real possibility that Greer fired the fatal shot. A lot of folks have tried to debunk this by saying that the "gun" is actually a reflection on the car door and that is true, there is a reflection that makes it look like he raises a gun to about shoulder/neck height. But if you look closely he is holding the "gun" much lower than that, and in front of him, right around his stomach/chest area, nowhere near the reflection which some skeptics try to use to debunk the theory.

SUNO, I JUST WATCHED THE VIDEO. AND ALL I CAN SAY IS .......MY GOD.............MY GOD. The mystery is solved! Dead serious. I watched it and that video is irrefutable. It clearly shows as broad as the light of day, the car is moving down the street and all of a sudden the driver turns to his right and looks back over his shoulder towards the back seat(as if to get the measure right), then right after that first turn, he switches his driving arm to his right arm, then turned his body and looks back over his right shoulder again towards Kennedy, then he points the gun over his right shoulder while turned towards the back, then all you can see clear as anything, a arm out-reached towards the back aimed at Kennedy, then BANG! Kennedy's head gets nailed dead on, then the gunner(the driver), ducks as if he was caught by surprize from a shooter afar somewhere. I cant believe it. Where did you find that video. It looks like raw unedited footage. Very easy to see. The driver killed Kennedy, case close.

I invite all to view the video, watch it specifically towards the middle, and replay it over and over again. I did, I can even see the driver's tie as he turns. Absolutely amazing. This should be put on the news or something; what a find.

Edit......

You are absolutely correct in what your seeing Sunofone. Before the car passes the sign, Kennedy is waving to the crowd, then after they pass the sign he grabs towards his throat sharply as if something hit him(it did). Then, if you pay more attention, right after Kennedy reaches for his throat ...like he is choking or something, then both the driver in the front seat and the passanger turn to look back at Kennedy, then the driver turns a second time and executes the shot then ducks. My god, its solved.

so if the driver turned around and shot jfk, how come jackie kennedy never said, the driver shot my husband, because she dident that means she is accesorie to murder.
i dont buy it.

Quit being so ignorant and naive. From the angle that the man was hit and how he was hit, anyone in the back see mostley wouldnt have knew where the shot came from. I cant stand debunkers who have one irrational objection then from that they start hypothetisizing what that objection means and from there they build a strawman argument; if you want to argue start with the video and think. Did you have yet to consider the possibility that the woman let alone the people in the back seat didnt know where the shot came from. You watch the video and tell us what you see and not what you wanna see. Kennedy appears to get wounded by something while passing the sign, then both men in the front seat(driver and passanger) both look back, then the second time the driver looks back he raises the gun slightly above the seat and blast Kennedy as he sits there leaned over, as if someone else made a setup-shot. You may not want to "buy it" or believe it because it may not sit well with you but thats whats in the video; there isnt even a possibility of denying this for christ sake.

Jackie Kennedy is not looking at the driver when the fatal shot occurs. She is focused on her husband, who has just been shot through the throat.
And if she did see it happen, maybe she would be too scared to say anything. I know I would be afraid of a group of men powerful enough to kill the president and get away with it.

they got away with it....they still walk the streets...the CIA scares me ..what do they "really"do?....

It took them 44 years to figure this out eh? Hundreds of bystanders and heaps of footage and only now a conspiracy nut with an axe to grind notices it?

The angle is all wrong for the driver to be the shooter. Even if he was shot in the front of the head (which he wasnt, go look for some unbiased sources), it looks more like someone lying on the floor of the car shot him.

one time a friend and i watched the film a thousand times..the driver finishes him off...

rofl..........Where are all of these new people coming from ;my god!

No. The only thing we can see is the vague figure of a gun besides the drivers head, at an impossible angle, appear and dissapear. If that was really a gun in order for the driver to aim it he would have to take his left arm off the steering wheel and rotate his entire body towards JFK, but we see neither of those things happen. Do you want to try to aim a gun backwards, over your right shoulder, using your right arm?

Not to mention that pretending it was the driver who shot him, he would have to be absolutely insane to think he could get away with shooting JFK at point blank in front of so many witnesses.

Dont just watch one of those vids, watch them all. It seems as if it shows from a slight different angle. Watch the quicktime vid, Im sorry, but I see Kennedy getting shot by the driver. He does rotate his body, though not fully, then aims over the seat and blasts him. He already turned around the first time to look at Kennedy and get his aim right. Sunofine, I believe it. Man, do I have to get out my video editing software so I can slow it down frame-by-frame. When this guy turns the second time, I practically can see his tie, thats how much he turned, and I see his arm cross over. I guess I will have to bring it out.....

AUL, please be civil with folks that may not see the same thing you do. I realize that this may be really big information, but that doesn't make it right to be rude to folks over it.

Fair enough. I thought I could see the drivers left arm still on the steering wheel, but it turned out to just be light from the side of the door.

Here's the video I'm watching: Click.

The driver did not shoot JFK. I am fairly certain that there was a conspiracy, but c'mon, you can't be serious. You are trying to tell me that with all of those witnesses, not a single person saw that? It obviously did not happen. I've watched the videos and they are completely unconvincing. I believe that there may have been a knol shooter or something else along those lines, but the driver? Yeah, that's brilliant: "Ok guys, so, here's the plan. While I'm driving through Dealey Plaza which will be filled with witnesses, I'm gonna like, turn around and pop a cap in him. No way anyone will catch that. We'll totally get away with it. Right???"


Don't get me wrong, I believe in a conspiracy, but there is no evidence (aside from these videos) to suggest that scenario. No ballistic evidence, no eyewtiness evidence, etc. Damn, Hunt even said that the gunman was French. Somehow, "Greer" does not sound French to me.

well he was shot more than once in the video-- why would jacky try to jump out the back of a moving vehicle? --until you realize the power drawn by this type of ritual you will never understand what you are perceiving-- it was a form of black magick or should i say a trauma induced hypnosis?? read the thread about "hell ranch" and maybe you will learn how to read between the lines

Yea. The wouldn't have heard a loud gundshot 3 feet from their head. Give me a break.

From the real world. Stop by sometime. You might like it.

How about this floyd, There is a shooter by the sign he pops Kennedy but its not fatal, the driver is the back-up so he pops Kennedy to be sure. Everyone is focused on Kennedy, like in a magic show. The driver could have been wearing an Inca ceremonial headdress and no one would have noticed anything. And they could get away with it they were the CIA. Ruby shot Oswald then kept qiute, they had somethin over him. I would pop anyone of they threatened to kill my family, and I would go to jail and keep silent too.

I gotta agree with the nay sayers on this one. I think its pretty obvious that there is a conspiracy around the JFK assasination but I don't think the driver did it (but I do think he was in on it). If it was the drivers job to deliver the fatal blow, couldn't they have waited untill they were out of public view? Why not have the guy next to the driver be the shooter since his hands were free?? Its just to obvious to think they could get away with. Behind the limo are cops on motorcycles, next to the limo is a line of spectators. It just seems like an ill concived plan to have the driver turn around and shoot at JFK, it didn't happen. You don't think people can tell the difference between the sound of a gun shot that is 100 feet away, to one that is 15 feet away?

There was a show on the History or Discovery Channel (not that you can trust them) that explored this theory. I thought it was much more interesting that before the fatal shot the driver actualy hits the breaks makling JFK a stationary target. I believe it was after the driver was shot, that he hit the gas. They also explained the "gun", I can't remember what they said it was but they had enhanced footage which didn't show a gun. Again, I don't trust Tv but I don't think having the driver do double duty as a shooter makes any sense.

Yes, everyone focuses on Kennedy during a moment like this, but I highly doubt that the plotters would count on that when deciding who would be responsible for shooting him (even if the driver was just the "back-up"). Why have none of the doctors, either at Parkland or Bethesda, come forward stating that Kennedy had wounds that came from a pistol (let's not forget that several Parkland doctors have maintained that the autopsy photographs do not reflect what they actually saw, more or less proving that these doctors were not intimidated by anyone, which would explain their refusal to tell the world that Kennedy had wounds that did not come from a rifle).

uhhh... the same doctors that lost the brain?

The would on the final shot looks to me like it is an exit wound from a bullet entering from behind. Entrance wounds do not explode like that; they are surprisingly non explosive...once a bullett begins to shred and tumble you can get some interesting exit wounds, but that didn't look like one; I have seen a lot of wounds from pistols, rifles and shotguns; what we see didn't come from the driver. I do think there was a shot before that though when he grabbed his throat, but it is so grainy it is hard to tell what is going on...

As for "the power of this type of ritual" I am not sure what you are talking about; a shooting is a pretty straightforward event.

No, the Parkland doctors had nothing to do with Kennedy's brain...save that they looked at the thing through the big hole in the back of his head.
One of the problems with this case is that the Coroner of Dallas County ( a qualified forensic pathologist) should have performed the autopsy, since he was the only one legally entitled and obligated to do so.

He of course did not...

Yeah the same doctor that lost the brain, which is the same guy that did the official autopsy, who had never done an autopsy involving gunshot wounds in his life.

No. The Parkland doctors did not lose the brain.

The notion that the driver shot JFK is silly. The video doesn't show that. He turns his head because JFK was shot in the neck. The driver turns his head to see what was going on. If you view this in QuickTime click on the video to pause it and then use your arrow buttons to move it back and forth. The driver didn't shoot JFK. But you are right about Hunt and LBJ and the rest. Hunt as much says who shot JFK and it is common knowledge now that he shot him from under the street. Fleeing afterward down the sewer and into a waiting car.

You guys are joking, right?

You will notice that, for whatever reason (the first bullet), Jackie looks and reaches for JFK... the driver and passenger both look back at JFK as well (turning inwards, towards each other). With the killing shot, both the driver and passenger duck and lean forward to cover themselves - with no evidence of any flavor of muzzle-flash from a pistol, or anything in the driver's hand - like a pistol, or anything.

It is amazing what people will see when they have a preconceived notion of what will be there.

William Cooper has been trying to get this theory out for years. Its a shame police surrounded his house and blew him away. Maybe he was onto something

1. Mary Moorman - school teacher standing next to Jean Hill. She said she saw Greer shooting back but thought he was shooting back at the assassin. SOURCE: Warren Commission and taped interview by Fred Newcomb.


2. Jean Hill - Jean Hill saw what happened too, but when she tried to bring up the subject of a gun being fired in the car, Senator Arlen Spector (a 33rd degree Mason) would change the subject or say "it's time for a cup of coffee."


3. Austin P. Miller - Texas Louisiana Freight Bureau, who stood on the railway overpass overlooking Elm Street was asked by Arlen Spector where the shots came from: His reply was "from right there in the car." Senator Spector just went on to the next question, never asking Miller any specifics. From: Warren Report, New York Times edition, p. 82.


4. Clinton J. Hill. Jacqueline Kennedy's bodyguard reports in Vol. II, pp 138-139 of the Warren Commission Volumes: "I jumped from the car, realizing that something was wrong, and ran to the presidential limousine. Just as I reached it, there was another sound. I think I described it in my statement as though someone was shooting a revolver into a hard object...it seemed to have some type of echo."


5. Hugh Betzner - Had picture published in Life magazine and was standing right next to the drivers side of the motorcade: He saw a gun in the hand of one of the secret service agents and heard a sound "like firecrackers going off in the car."Link to Betzner’s official statement: http://www.jfk-online.com/betzner.html Source: taped interview with Fred Newcomb.
6. Senator Ralph Yarborough - 3rd car back "Smelled gunpowder in the car." (statement made to press but not to Warren Commission) He was challenged by Newcomb on the phone and he then said "I must have smelled it coming down from the book depository"

you knwo my history teacher beleives the same exact thing that it was the driver who did it.

This stretches even the gaming imagination.
Bunny had it close.
I've been around guns all my life, from age 6. I loaded my own, usually over factory. I've had a lot of guns, killed a lot of animals, and killed people. Served in Nam, combat SAR.
I've seen the original films hundreds of times, not fixed up, since computers and Photoshop didn't exist then.
Issue pistols were .38 Special revolvers. I had one. Reliability, friends. In case you are not aware (as seems the case with most people), the .38 is not a particularly powerful weapon. So UNpowerful that the .357 was developed nearly a half century before JFK. The .44 mag came along much later, then only in Ruger form. The .357 was, for a long time, the most powerful handgun alive, and in fact has better penetration than the .44 because of bullet diameter and velocity combination. The .38 isn't even in the same class, even though the bullet diameter is the same, .357.
I loaded my own .357, using 125 gr over a fairly large charge, or 158 gr modified, also over a large charge. The 125 clocked out at just over 1650 fps muzzle, substantially more than a stock .38.
The loads I used barely got through an 85 pound dog, and sometimes didn't. A .38 won't splatter brains all over the place, no matter how close you are. If you include the 9mm Luger, also a .35 caliber (.355 bullet) which was designed for penetration, to wound rather than kill, it still won't splatter an exit from the skull. The bullet has two layers of skull to penetrate, friends.
The bullet that splattered JFK's skull needed to be a high power bullet from a rifle. Look at the cloud of fine blood/brains in the pictures (better if you can find an original). That spray was NOT from a handgun, whatever the computer games like to show. I shot people with my issue .38, and NEVER saw an exit, using military ball ammo. Ball ammo doesn't mushroom. If you don't know what that means, it means that the bullet is intended to pass through, not expending all its energy within the target (Geneva convention, you know). In simple terms, it is NOT meant to tear up the target, meaning it's got a better chance of through than a standard hunting or defense round, which is jacketed, with soft nose.
The only military gun I used that consistently passed through was the M60, which is a .308 high power rifle round, slightly below the 30-06 in ballistics. However, exit wounds from these are much tamer than the same round with hunting ammo using soft nose bullets. I've loaded those for years also.
No pistol killed JFK; rifles did. Therefore, the driver did not shoot JFK, since he didn't have a rifle.
Nor did Oswald shoot JFK in the head, since the spray comes out the back of the head, and the body reaction of the head moving back indicates the shot came from in front of the target. Since most of you seem to think that getting hit by a bullet in front lifts you up and throws you back, let's dispel that myth right now: the body reacts to being hit by a bullet, the bullet doesn't knock the body back. Don't believe? Then do this: take a 4x4x12 piece of wood out to the range, set it up at a hundred yards, and shoot it with a .308. If the bullet knocks the wood forty or fifty feet, that would be the equivalent of knocking a person over, but it doesn't. Think about it; look at police small arms testing body armor against pistol bullets. The bullet won't knock a person down if the recipient is prepared.
The head shot was a rifle shot that came from the front.

I'm trying to hunt down Vincent Bugliosi's new book, Reclaiming History, which supposedly destroys all of the conspiracy theories. I can't wait to read it. It's over 1,600 pages long, AND it has another 1,000+ pages of footnotes on a CD that's included with the book. I urge everyone interested in the assassination to read it with an open mind. I'm still skeptical that Oswald acted alone, but I'll read it and give it a shot.

Rabid,
That's a nice post, and a good analysis of what, to me, seems rather obvious. There is nothing in the Zapruder film that shows anything involving a pistol or revolver wound...and certainly no evidence of the driver shooting the man (???).

It is obviously a high powered rifle impact, and it sure enough seems it is from the front.

i cant say that i disagree with that theory HOWEVER your assuming that the driver was the "only" assassin-- its abvious he was caught on film shooting jfk-- now to assume that there were NOT other "benchwarmers"(as we know there were) much less first string is not very prudent-- imo he was probably shot from three different angles which would of included the first shot behind the sign and two more for good measure one being the driver and another probably from the knoll not including the back up bench warmers that im sure were anxious to get some had they been necessary-- its clear as day people -- we know the cia was involved and we all can see both passengers in front of jfk turn their bodies completely sideways in totally akward positions creating cover-- connally turned towards the crowd while the passenger in front of him turned all the opposite way completely facing the driver whose hand movement is plainly visible from switching steering hands to the double head turn and undeniable flash of the gun lit up by the sun after the shot-- wake up from your sleepless slumber people

It looks to me like the head shot was from the back, the way the (pardon the graphic description) front part of his head "explodes". Entry wounds = small, exit wounds = large, especially if a hollow point was used.

I don't think anyone seriously assumes that the driver (William Greer) was an assassin at all.
Nor is it obvious that he was caught doing anything on film but looking back to see what the hell was going on.

Incidentally, there is also no evidence suggesting a shot from the Grassy Knoll. That is a red herring that's been introduced into this case to confuse things. If you've ever been to Dallas, and looked at the place, it is obvious that the picket fence on the knoll was no place to take a shot, and it was almost directly abeam the President's position. The President was not struck from the side...

People like you really cloud the actual investigation into this case, which has been ongoing for decades by a few fairly adept people, by throwing in all of this silliness...

Here is a couple Links which cover this Theory.


William Cooper Assassanation theory


This is what happened to William Cooper who feared the government for bringing out this theory.

William Cooper Dead

I think, Mid, what you say is quite accurate.
Serious people trying (I say that because I doubt seriously we'll ever really know) have discounted many of the CT theories, along with MOST of the garbage that's been output by the gov.
What remains is that at the time, for those who might remember that far back, is that there were statements made by some people back then that the shooting of Kennedy was not an assassination, it was a coup. The facts are that Kennedy made a lot of enemies, even though history has shown his decisions were good ones. Making that statement, mind you, is adverse to my own feelings at the time: I didn't like JFK, for the most part, but dammit, he was the president, and there are constitutional ways to get rid of politicians you don't like. However, it was well known then that the conservative element (or should I say reactionary) was dead set against JFK. Their thoughts were that we needed Vietnam, we needed to maintain controls in the Banana Republics (Third World countries), and CIA fingers in all the associated pies. JFK wanted us out of Nam, had in his mind that we shouldn't influence the Third World, and so on. He also wanted to leash the FBI and the CIA, and put them both under more control. He knew that the CIA was, against its own constitution, playing in national policies at the time. He wanted J. Edgar to do what J. Edgar was supposed to do, not what J. Edgar wanted, such as take care of the internal policies regarding race discrimination, and Hoover really didn't like that. Robert was murdered for similar reasons, primarily because he was in support of the JFK policies, and most likely would have won the presidential, riding both on the emotion of the coup and his own popularity. But again, that we'll never know.
However, I'm personally convinced that the two assassinations are intimately intertwined. No one will ever convince me that Sirhan Sirhan was the only shooter in LA either. Nixon most likely didn't know (but sighed in relief) anything about RFK. But the hawks (ultra-conservatives) that saw Red around every corner, and wanted US influence to extend everywhere were the ones doing the controlling then.
You current people should thank us, that older generation, for the openness that now exists. Seriously, folks, back then the attitude among our own parents was that the gov could do no wrong and they were doing everything for the public. We thought then, we younger folks, the Vietnam generation, that the gov was full of s***, and we said so. While I was doing my military, NOT ONCE did I damn the "hippie" groups, or the college groups, or anyone else for protesting what was going on: had I not been in the service, I would have done likewise.
But Kennedy was in a position to do something about it; therefore, he needed to die.
Maybe someone, or some group, will eventually dig out the truth. Till then, we can only speculate. What we do know, though, is that JFK was shot with big guns, not little ones, because "they" wanted him DEAD, period, and a little gun is too uncertain (the statistics are that 90% of the people shot with a handgun survive, but 90% of the people shot with a rifle are dead; you can look that one up). So, give up on the driver, fans. He turned around because the president just got shot, not to shoot him. There were many others there awaiting their turns had JFK not been killed (I was told this by someone unnamed who was CIA). The statement was that there was no way JFK was going to live.
Have fun with that.

Seriously...youtube? William Cooper?
The man was nuts...

The so-called gun was the top of Roy Kellerman's head!
Really carefully looking at it reveals lots of already well known facts....

you got any proof?..or are you just libeling people?...

Wow, lots of good perspectives on this, but I'm sorry "seeing" is believing, and what I see in the videos is the driver turning back twice, the first time to get his measure of the shot and the second time to execute the fatal shot to Kennedy. That's exactly what Im seeing. I don't see anything otherwise. It's amazing to me, I actually see the driver's damn tie lol! Clearly visible, oh he turned around to get his measure on that shot alright. Here is something to think about, "What are the chances that the driver didnt do it considering Kennedy's head gets popped right after the driver turns around to reach in Kennedy's direction?" It's obvious the driver turned around twice, and DID outstretch his arm for some reason.....but why, and then why would Kennedy's head impact coincide with the driver turning? (He did it)

Well, Im not in this topic specifically to debate or argue, this is mainly because until I see something different in the video, I wont believe anything to the contrary. What I see is the driver nailing Kennedy after the first setup shot by some unknown person. Besides the point of who actually issued the fatal shot, I think there is something clear the we all can agree on, and that is that the Al-Ciada was behind this and there was a conspiracy. And if anyone in this topic has really done they're homework like me and Sunofone, they would know the CIA is one of the most evil organizations in government and have high-level occult members; they make the mafia look like sunday school. The Cia basically are the executioners for these high-level currupt politicans, they're the right hand, ....the writing arm, the Egor who follows orders for the evil scientist working in his lab. Kennedy's assasination was a public execution for all to see, and it happened as he was heading to the apex of the piramid designed into streets; once he reached the top of that pyramid he would be dead, and that he was. Just try learning about Occult Symbolizm and you will soon understand why Kennedy was killed in the spot he was killed in.

Note, Im not in this topic to argue, Im just expressing my view on the whole thing, a view which was constructed from evidence and information obtained, not brainstorming thoughts.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz............Im there dude.

1. Mary Moorman - school teacher standing next to Jean Hill. She said she saw Greer shooting back(so a gun was out in the open in his hand while in the car) but thought he was shooting back at the assassin. SOURCE: Warren Commission and taped interview by Fred Newcomb.


2. Jean Hill - Jean Hill saw what happened too, but when she tried to bring up the subject of a gun being fired in the car, Senator Arlen Spector (a 33rd degree Mason) would change the subject or say "it's time for a cup of coffee."


3. Austin P. Miller - Texas Louisiana Freight Bureau, who stood on the railway overpass overlooking Elm Street was asked by Arlen Spector where the shots came from: His reply was "from right there in the car." Senator Spector just went on to the next question, never asking Miller any specifics. From: Warren Report, New York Times edition, p. 82.

5. Hugh Betzner - Had picture published in Life magazine and was standing right next to the drivers side of the motorcade: He saw a gun in the hand of one of the secret service agents and heard a sound "like firecrackers going off in the car."Link to Betzner’s official statement: http://www.jfk-online.com/betzner.html Source: taped interview with Fred Newcomb.

6. Senator Ralph Yarborough - 3rd car back "Smelled gunpowder in the car." (statement made to press but not to Warren Commission) He was challenged by Newcomb on the phone and he then said "I must have smelled it coming down from the book depository"

What do you think of the theory that the shooter was below the street level shooting from the culvert? This theory was first introduced by a mathematician who said practically the same thing you just did...except he said it came from in front and below...he did the foot research and discovered at that point there was indeed a culvert there between the sidewalk and the street...you know, for water to drain off of the street. He actually went down in the sewer and followed it to that point and discovered it would have been quite easy for someone to do that and then simply 'vanish' down the sewer system and into a waiting car.

What do you think RabidCat?

[quote name='MID' date='May 24 2007, 11:31 AM' post='1691065']
Seriously...youtube? William Cooper?
The man was nuts..

The man is more credible than yourself. He was high ranked military and had access to top secret information.

"William Cooper's FBI file, promulgated by the investigation required by his security clearances while in military service, was one of those unlawfully in possession of the White House in what has become known as, "Filegate". Shortly after this discovery President Clinton ordered all federal agencies to begin investigation, persecution, and prosecution of Mr. Cooper to shut him up."

I think this is fundamentally correct.

I think the two killings were intimately intertwined as well, and it is impossible to convince me that Sirhan Sirhan was the assassin of Bob Kennedy...
Primarily because his autospy, performed by one of the most prominent forensic pathologists of the day (as opposed to that of his Brother...which was most certainly not), determined conclusively that Sirhan did not shoot him.

Bobby Kennedy was shot from the rear, at close range, 4 times. Sirhan, of course, was in front of him.

Of course, Sirhan, as an accesory, should be right where he is, but he was not the gunman who killed Bob Kennedy....

I guess you missed the point. The "gun" is obviously the top of Kellerman's head.
In a film that has never been "crystal clear", despite enhancement, one can see what one wants, if one looks hard enough...

As far as Cooper is concerned, you can tell an awful lot by listening to him and watching him. He fabricated a wild theory, made a film which is melodramatic, promises to show all sorts of clear and irrefutable facts, and shows nothing.

A fish toxin dart, fired from three feet away, which killed President Kennedy...despite the fact that his head was obviously blown apart by a high powered rifle bullet, blood was all over the back of that car, pieces of his skull were recovered in the street, and all the doctors at Parkland attested to the massive wound in his head...caused by a fish toxin dart which killed him....of course!

I agree, yet just like with 9/11 they disreguard these highly credible people who all had high government positions then turn around and claim "where are the whistle-blowers??! Why arent people inside the government who are in the know exposing this silly conspiracy??"

He said a few things could be fired from the gun not just a dart. Im sure he said an explosive pellet

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Fluffy already told me so I dont think I need another talking mouth piece to say the samething, so I suggest you go talk to yourself in a corner.