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Aticus
I came across a website that seems to have put everything together and solved many questions about why humans are such an insane and weird race of beings and also deals with the reincrnation of souls for many cycles until a person realizes this and works to achieve full consciousness in order to break that cycle that began in the Garden of Eden in the so-called "Fall from Grace" and it also shows how this is a very recent event that did not happen before the fall from grace. Before then, humans were not chaotic and their soul and spirit were one. It's a very fascinating website with a tremendous amount of information and uses many sources from many old religions and schools of thought.

http://www.divisiontheory.com/

Some material may be difficult to understand. I'll point out some highlights.

For the last five or six thousand years, then, our minds have basically been getting ripped to shreds every time we die. The conscious portion of the mind has been disengaging from its unconscious half, and each crippled portion has then gone on separately into the "next world". What actually happens is that the conscious loses its memory and eventually reincarnates, while the unconscious becomes trapped in its memories and feelings from the past, and unwittingly creates an imaginary heaven or hell dreamworld for itself out of those feelings and memories, a perpetual dream (or nightmare) it can never awaken from on its own. In the next world, these two cursed, crippled disembodied fragments of what was once a whole human being each experience a cruelly distorted reality, and they seem to be responsible for most of the reports we hear about ghosts and poltergeists, and maybe mankind's legends of zombies and vampires as well. In recent years, reports of near-death experiences and past-life regressions have documented numerous cases in which subjects reported experiencing their minds dividing in two during the death transition. Numerous modern psychics and mystics like Edgar Cayce, Immanuel Swedenborg, and Rudolf Steiner have reported this soul-division, and dozens of ancient religions all around the world once based their entire theological systems around this same premise.

The Binary Soul Doctrine is probably as close as the human race has ever come to having a single world religion. Thousands of years ago, people all across the globe believed much the same thing about what happened after death - that human beings possess not one, but two souls, which were in danger of dividing apart from one another when a person died. After leaving the physical body, one of these souls was often expected to reincarnate, while the other was believed to become trapped in a dreamlike netherworld. Some of these cultures believed that the afterdeath division of these two souls could be prevented or reversed, while others saw the division as being inevitable and permanent.

For millennia, mankind essentially seemed trapped, doomed to remain stuck in this repeating cycle of self-destruction with no practical way out. Lifetime after lifetime, most of us would divide again and again, repeatedly losing everything we work so hard for in each life (the reincarantion process). While most new generations contained a rare few individuals who pursued a life of enough authenticity, integrity, and psychological health to enable them to "keep it together" during the death transition, the vast majority of humanity's masses were just going through the same futile motions lifetime after lifetime, never making any progress towards resolving our dilemma. In effect, we were trapped, and needed a hero to rescue us.

Dozens of recently unearthed lost early Christian scriptures (such as the Gospel of Thomas) suggest that this may have been the true problem Jesus Christ came to address and resolve. But if so, His solution won't be fully effected until the arrival of the prophesied Judgment Day events.

Now I don't know about you, but this brings a whole new meaning to the term "being saved"

This is powerful information because I belive it explains the very reason why humans are so defunct and schizophrenic.

Judgement Day, then, is the "Great and Terrible Day of the Lord". "Great" because our dead will rise and we will regain everything we thought we'd lost forever, including full knowledge of all our past identities, memories, histories, talents, skills, and wisdom. "Terrible" for the very same reason : because our dead will rise, and we will finally have to confront and acknowledge the fruit of our own actions. We will recall with our own minds, and feel with our own hearts, the karma that played continually and torturously out from one life to the next over thousands of years, inflicting payment of each life's sins on the incarnations that followed. "Terrible" too because many of our reawakened dead will be re-awakening from (their dreams of) hell, and will not be unaffected by the experience. And as the separate minds of all our past-life incarnations slowly integrate together, their experience in hell will become our own.
Caana
That explains a great deal, though the focus is wrong. The repeated cycles of pain are from the relgoius, and their own belief system. Someone is already here taking care of that. It will end when he is successful.

It fits with my own realizations, you are body, mind and voice. They are real, just not what is here, as you've descibed in your post.
Those in this world are fragmented awareness's of their real selve's, which bears no resemblance to those in this world, only that if you were to see them, you would see a human that is very beautiful. Unlike the ape like creatures that call themselves human here.

The first and second souls that you speak of don't exist, and as long as religious people keep pushing that, the cycles of pain won't stop. The more you build a belief system, the further away you are from the truth. Which is you. Those hells{which includes heavens} were made into being from those who chose to believe that people needed and are controlled from a source they can't define.

They are, it's just that their own interpitations{and they are} destroy them. In much the way you have written. They must realize that the original them, is the one who monitors all the probability's you's. The fragments, or secondary souls as you've called them.
They don't exist, only knowledge gleaned from their experiance's.

And it is the fragments feelings of individuality{that it's real} which has caused most of the damage here. Along with the nonsense that enslaves and murders them. Shut down is emminate, can't you yourself feel it?

They never like the truth, so they build elabrate religious horror fantasy's of origion and control. Bringing the experiances that could be enjoyed down to a level of inhuman subsistance, because they believe their own horror fantasy's and push it through sanctioned murder and law.

The dead are dead, just not their consiousness and who they were, it's already in your mind, as they shared it briefly{what you call a lifetime, or not} That is what will happen, the dead coming to life. It will happen in two parts, much as you said, they will remember those experiances called past lives first, more and more of them. Things like the V.A. shooting will be common place across the world, as more of them wake up and see what has been done.

I know, i've been through it already, and still am, only now i have a purpose, to help end it. Along with the other fragments that don't spaz and shoot others, and then are killed again. What you must realize is that many from all the so called factions have already woke up, and have been directing what will happen, or trying to anyway, all of them will soon realize that their empty cycles of pain will end at last, the last run.

What they may do is still up in the air, but it could still go very badly because of them.

The second thing that will happen, all the probability lines which make up this insidious religious controlled world, and the other probability's that co-exist with it, and their populations, will appear in what will be call spatial distortions of time line's. There not really, but that is what it will be thought of at first.

Different reality's co-existing as the've always done, but with the difference that it will all be at once. As it is in your mind. It will happen right before shutdown. You were also right in that.

All those fragments that are a part of this, will cease to exist, along with all the scenario's that are infected with the religious virus, why do you think they've been closed off? To lance the boil that threatened what you call creation. To see if anything could be salvaged from the monsters that control you here. It has been played seemingly endlessly, to try and heal the probability's that comprise the populations.

Most have been charted, and found wanting, because of the infection, however many variants have been played. It is with great grief and happiness, that it will be shutdown. So the rest of us can move on.
GoddessWhispers
As an Atheist I do not accept there to be any such thing as the notions of man made god/desses. I believe we are nothing less than everything else the sciences say are made of energetic chemicals, moving to a rhythm, forming what is the illusion of matter as self. I'm nothing special, nor am I destined for any end unique to that of anything else that dies.

If I were a believer, in god, I'd take it's word for it when it is believed that unknowable power is omnipotent, omnipresent and as such omniscient. And that being the case, I'd follow my instincts, knowing myself a good person, and as such wanting only the best for me, would seek it out and make my world that place where I would feel right at home, honoring that what makes me happy here. And in the process that would help others, to be happy too. If I believed in god, I'd know myself to be it's temple. Proof it creates perfection, as I learn about myself that can be the essence of nothing less than all that is, that some call god. So I don't believe one can be fragmented at death as if that's a bad thing. I think the human mind that believes it must always possess a sense of control, thinks it's necessary even after life, to hold while living it, some sense that when this is over, they'll still know what they're doing. This life has enough to keep me occupied, I don't worry about what may come after I no longer am alive to care.
Caana
And that lack of caring is what created all the monsters, good or bad, within these probability lines. That, and their memory's being shielded by those who can affect your present percieved reality, as they did when they changed it. The one's who must fall, or you will keep re-experiancing your percepted reality in all the probability's that spring from it.

And their are people who can do it, why do you think the mayans really disapeared. By the science of the unexplainable today. Most of what they knew was in their minds, and they really knew what i'm talking about now. It's all the age's cycling over and over, each age was a probability, as this one was, but they are gone for a reason, that calander of theirs was left so others would find out. And now that they have, they don't believe it, because of those who changed the probability's to the current madness{current cycle}

My own point is that whatever belief structure is built, because it is manufactered, it will fall. They meddled and lost, destroying their own probability's. Their existance. All that remains of them the ruins. Their structure was closer to what i write, yet their arrogance failed them to notice there was much more to what they knew. They no longer trouble what you call the universe.

Those who abused and changed the probability's of this place, it's existance, no longer themselves exist. As will happen to those who are the result of the meddling. Fairness does'nt come into it, it's played out, finished. All thats left is the experiance's as to the outcome. As you would put to sleep an animal in pain, gently, and with care and love, but put to sleep regardless.

RadicalGnostic
Sounds like the Gnostic teaching of the Celestial Twin. The Prophet Mani knew his, and the Cathars had a sacrament of the Bride Chamber in which the Divine Spark is reunitied with its Celestial Twin.

A story which explains this is called The Hymn of the Pearl, taken from the Acts of Thomas.

Peace,

RadicalGnostic
Aticus
Thank you for your input Caana, you are a wise one.
Caana
QUOTE(Aticus @ May 22 2007, 10:28 PM) [snapback]1688931[/snapback]
Thank you for your input Caana, you are a wise one.


Well, not that wise, just a youngling that will never ever forgive the scum who have made things as they are today, it is good they have been deleted themselves. Except for the ending, which won't follow the garbage of the religious. All their fortellings are of probability's that will not happen now. The extinction of religion will be a relief to uncounted trillions of humans from all the probability's that are infected with R.V.I.

It will be good to be in touch with those me's that managed to stay outside of the quarentine zone.

If your making good natured fun, that is o.k. to.
Caana
QUOTE(RadicalGnostic @ May 22 2007, 10:10 PM) [snapback]1688884[/snapback]
Sounds like the Gnostic teaching of the Celestial Twin. The Prophet Mani knew his, and the Cathars had a sacrament of the Bride Chamber in which the Divine Spark is reunitied with its Celestial Twin.

A story which explains this is called The Hymn of the Pearl, taken from the Acts of Thomas.

Peace,

RadicalGnostic


I don't study religion here. all i know of it was studied by other probabilty me's. So i know it without being tainted by it, just as i had to meet all the requirements to avoid the other layers that trap so many here. To break free, so i could be independant, and remain unharmed from those creatures who are part of the religious horror fantasy. I had to enter one of their lairs for a time, to reafirm that it was still nonsense. Those where the scariest times i have had here this go round.

I see all the stuff they profess to believe in, i know better.

Peace to you as well, i only war when i must.
Caana
This may help, Boorite.
Jim88
QUOTE(Caana @ May 23 2007, 03:56 AM) [snapback]1689488[/snapback]
Well, not that wise, just a youngling that will never ever forgive the scum who have made things as they are today, it is good they have been deleted themselves. Except for the ending, which won't follow the garbage of the religious. All their fortellings are of probability's that will not happen now. The extinction of religion will be a relief to uncounted trillions of humans from all the probability's that are infected with R.V.I.

It will be good to be in touch with those me's that managed to stay outside of the quarentine zone.

If your making good natured fun, that is o.k. to.


What you're talking about sounds an awful lot like a religion.
Caana
QUOTE(Jim88 @ May 24 2007, 07:54 PM) [snapback]1692383[/snapback]
What you're talking about sounds an awful lot like a religion.


It's not religion, it's as close to the truth as it can be here. Since i started writing here, i have posted that i reguire no belief. One kid tried to get me to teach him, i refused, as all anyone can learn is up to the individual. Which has been a major point throughout my own writing.

It sounds like it because all those belief systems have a touch of what is there{except the rest of their interpitations}
dlv
QUOTE(Caana @ May 24 2007, 08:15 PM) [snapback]1692417[/snapback]
Since i started writing here, i have posted that i reguire no belief. One kid tried to get me to teach him, i refused, as all anyone can learn is up to the individual. Which has been a major point throughout my own writing.

Right on.
dlv
QUOTE(Caana @ May 23 2007, 04:09 AM) [snapback]1689502[/snapback]
I don't study religion here. all i know of it was studied by other probabilty me's. So i know it without being tainted by it, just as i had to meet all the requirements to avoid the other layers that trap so many here. To break free, so i could be independant, and remain unharmed from those creatures who are part of the religious horror fantasy. I had to enter one of their lairs for a time, to reafirm that it was still nonsense.

I see all the stuff they profess to believe in, i know better.

It's not religion, it's as close to the truth as it can be here.

As the line goes...

"I don't think you should pay too much attention to servants' gossip." -- DANGEROUS LIAISONS
Caana
It does really suck here though{the world} because of those who don't believe in the individual.
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