I was thinking about this statement too..


Ok so I'm guessing you would discard any 'evidence' of psi from more than really 1-200 years ago (many people have claimed to have evidence, but science was hardly as rigorous or existant). Also from an evolutionary point of view I don't know if I would claim having some psi ability would improve your odds of survival given the number of times people go on witch burning rampages .

Wombat you also mention psi powers would violate the laws physics.. I'm curious what laws of physics they would violate?

WRONG. WRONG. The believers back then believed in the flat world. The skepticsl(scientists, etc) questioned the nonsense. Just like here with fantastical claims.

He is not here to amuse you. He is here to counter your beliefs and temper them with logic.

Thats called faith. The paranormal has replaced religion for some. It proves nothing.

LMAOYou didn't! you said they weren't! They ARE! sheesh *facepalms*

Depends on what kind of power we are talking about, but mainly there has to be energy in order for anything to happen. Lifting a pencil requires energy, and the only way a human can use energy to lift up a pencil is by using their muscles.

And that's the most basic, elementary stuff.

It's true it doesn't prove anything - but Wombat was stating we have no evidence of Psi over 200k years of human history. I was just pointing out he can't really look for evidence over 200k years, because only evidence found in the last 100-200 years would be considered reliable at all by todays standards.



Well the human body isn't really limited to mechanical energy. We take chemical energy (stored at the cellular level), some of the chemical energy is used to create electrical energy (for neurons firing), some of the chemical energy is used to fuel mechanical energy (muscles movement) and to feed other chemical reactions. And of course if we go back to the neurons firing, since we are generating moving electric fields, we of course have to be making the complimentary moving magnetic fields.

So while the easiest way of our body interacting with the world is through mechanical energy means, we do generate lots of other energy - some of it influencing our exterior environment. Do any of these necessarily imply psi? No, but we don't know all influencing forces (or we could explain gravity) and without knowing them we can't explain what influence they have on our body, or our body has on them.

Anyway, I guess this was pretty long to just point out, using muscles aren't the only way the human body uses energy to affect it's environment - so I wouldn't say that in that aspect laws of physics limit the existence of psi.

Partially true, in a sense me and Wombat was referring to Christopher Columbus's time, and he was NOT a scientist

I am aware of that, but who are you to tell me I can't throw in some humor (which he has returned so i know he is a pretty cool person) regardless of what we are talking about is serious?

Oh and by the way, I am not expert or anything but, isn't it better to post replies once? Instead of pressing reply 3 times?I'm Not being a smart ass i am just curious


Wow ok, I was referring to Wombat in what he was saying, if you cared to read.

@ Eric the Raven The Skeptic and Deinychus_rulz I am a skeptic myself, but i leave my mind open to possibilities I am no greater or lesser then you both, but you guys seem even more ignorant and less mature then Wombat. Wombat may seem a annoying at times but at least he backs up his arguments with wisdom and knowledge and he is respectable in a sense. Sorry I cannot say the same for you two.

I understand what skeptics want, they want the believers to prove the abnormal using the the laws of science, so until then it will always be a on going debate.

No your not. Not in any sense of the word. Skeptic does not apply to you. All it takes is to read your posts to know this. Good day.

Alright, from now on we won't believe in common knowledge and we'll believe in the likes of you with 10 kinds of kinesis, astral travels, psiwheels and stuff. Grow up and get real!