NO MATTER HOW MUCH WE STRIVE FOR IT, PEACE
AND LOVE COULD NOT BE ESTABLISHED IN THE WORLD BECAUSE
THE WORLD IS DIVIDED INTO (RELIGIOUS)
GROUPS.

However, Allah, the One and Only Creator of the
universe and of mankind, whom He loves the most and
wants to be happy, ordains “DO NOT BE DIVIDED INTO (RELIGIOUS)
GROUPS.”
Unfortunately, today the world is entangled in
conflicts and misery. This environment originates from
the people being divided into religious groups. The only
institution that can bring happiness to mankind is the
religion of God. On the other hand, the goal of Satan,
who lures people away from religion, or at least tries
to divide them into groups, is to make sure that each
group is the enemy of all other groups. As a matter of
fact, he has succeeded in achieving his goal throughout
human history, sponsoring atrocities among people.
According to an investigation, there are 72 different
faiths in the world. Today the followers of every
religion believe that it is his or her religion which is
genuine and that other religions are false. Beyond
treating other religions as false, some people in every
religion try to promote this atrocity. Even further,
some extremists, unfortunately, go as far as terrorism,
and they spill the blood of innocent people.

THERE IS NO RELIGION EXCEPT HANIF
RELIGION.

The fact that cruelties are threatening world peace
today shows that the hanif religion, which is ordered by
Allah to enable people to live in happiness and
friendship, has been disregarded.
God, who created all people and gave them
intelligence, also determined the laws to satisfy their
minds and maintain order. The best way to uphold human
rights is to obey the rules of Allah.
God created all people so that everybody inherently
can live according to the rules of hanif religion. This
is because it is God who created both religion and
people.


30/RUM-30: Fe ekim vecheke lid dîni
hanîfâ (hanîfen), fıtratallâhilletî fataran nâse aleyhâ,
lâ tebdîle li halkıllâh (halkıllâhi), zâliked dînul
kayyimu ve lâkinne ekseren nâsi lâ ya’lemûn
(ya’lemûne).

30 / AR RÛM - 30: You set yourself as
HANIF to the religion, with the HANIF Nature of Allah,
as Allah has created mankind with a HANIF nature. This
is the religion, which will be forever, but most people
do not know.
The order of Allah is crystal clear: “Live the hanif
religion of Abraham. Do not be divided into religious
groups.”


6/EN’AM-161: Kul innenî hedânî rabbî ilâ
sırâtın mustekîm (mustekîmin) dînen kıyamen millete
ibrâhîme hanîfâ (hanîfen), ve mâ kâne minel muşrikîn
(muşrikîne).

6 / AL AN’ÂM – 16: Say: “Truly, my Lord
has guided me to a Straight Path, a lasting religion,
the religion of İbrahîm Hanîfâ (Abraham) and he was not
of the polytheists.

34/SEBE-20: Ve lekad saddaka aleyhim
iblîsu zannehu fettebeûhu illâ ferîkan minel mu'minîn
(mu'minîne).

34 / SABA` - 20: And Satan proved true
his thought about people. All depended on (followed)
Satan, except for a party of MUMIN (those among the
believers of Allah who wish to reach Him).
Yes, there is no religion except the hanif religion
of Abraham.


The only solution to achieve the alliance of
civilizations and peace in the world IS
TO UNITE UNDER THE HANIF
RELIGION.
Islam is no different than the hanif
religion!Christianity is no different than the hanif
religion!Judaism is no different than the hanif
religion!
No other group besides the above can have a religion
other than the hanif religion. In short, there are not
various religions; there is only one religion. It is the
hanif religion of Abraham. It is the religion of Adam,
Noah, Moses, and Jesus. It is the religion of Mohammed.
It is the religion of all humanity today.
The Torah, Bible and Koran only instruct us in the
Hanif Religion and its requisites, namely 7 stages with
4 surrenders.

This religion consists of 3 essentials:

Believing in one God. (Oneness)

To unite in one group made up of people wishing to
reach Allah. (Unity)

To surrender the spirit, the physical body, the
soul and the free will to Allah.

Unification of all the religions is not only a must
but also God’s command. It must be our token to unite as
the friends of Allah, to embrace each other and embrace
the future together with the peace and serenity that the
hanif religion orders. Each of us must be the
representative of peace, friendship and love.

I'd rather be apart of a faith older then that of the Abrahamic ones.

*shrugs* Being forced to worship someone elses' religion is just not my style.

everyone has freewill for a reason. it is respected.
since sincerety matters to Allah (CC), no one should force anyone.

And people shouldn't go about whitewashing things like this. You are free to worship whoever you wish... but don't assume that because you have your nice packaged up faith.. that whatever it involves, inclueding whatever gods that there might be for you, encompuses everything. Allah/Jehova/Whyhw(canneverspellit) the Abrahamic god... has no hold over me. *shrugs* Simple truth...

i dont think that everybody in the world will become part of the same one religion, nor do i think that this will solve all the worlds problems.
a basic tolerance for each other's beliefs would do better, whether polytheistic, monotheistic, athiest, agnostic...etc.

Im not sure that anyone can presume to know God's will, or claim to speak His Word. I think if we just decide to live well with thoughtfulness for others and mindfulness of our own actions it will be enough to satisfy the unknowable God.

it is me speaking, so i can't really say things i do not have faith in.
just like anyone else, i offer mine.
i do not have any problem with peoples' beliefs.
i actually find being different fascinating
we are like flowers in many different colours and shapes that grow from one land.
and how poetic is that?

I don't agree that Allah is the one and only. I thought he was an ancient moon god? Don't mind me, I'm a barely-christianized pagan, a hermetic magician and practitioner of Gnostic Christianity. However, the Sufis have discovered transcendence and still teach that truth.

Peace,

RadicalGnostic

Good post lava . Very well put .

Sama

Great...I agree! Tell it the friggin' terrorists!

I agree 100%! I hope religious tolerance is something that will be achieved in my lifetime. It sounds like such a beautiful thing, doesn't it? And besides, the world would be sooooooooo boring with just one religion. Diversity is essential to the imagination .

unfortunately dictators do not think we are intelligence enough to use our free wills.
but we still do, don't we?

peace and frienship and love are a religion in them self and need no other name.
These are the way of life in the spirit world , which is eternal life and this is the way of the creator.

There is no religion in Heaven, only the way of love unconditional.

This is the secret to creation, everything else steals from what this love has created.

Love Omnaka

Its not love or of God if it is forced.
Love Omnaka

We are all one.
We don't need no division!
One people with different religions...
One aim and one mission, one destination!
LOVE and UNITY!
ONE JAH FOR US ALL!!

If no-one should force anyone - indeed, if "there is no compulsion in religion" (Koran, 2:256), then why did Mohammed spread the 'word' by the sword, being involved in around 27 battles, most of which where territorial expansion or subjugation ? The spread of Mohammedism has been historicaly associated with imperialistic military subjugation of territories, both during Mohammeds lifetime, and beyond.

As for sincerity - perhaps you could explain the doctrine of Taqiyya ?

Meow Purr.

How do you know what it is like in heaven?



Christians believe the same thing, but they don't agree on everything so they divide into groups.

I don't agree that Islam is the true religion. I don't believe any of the Abrahamic religions are true.

I think this link may add to the conversation immensely.

It is where My eternal spirit was born, I have visited Heaven in this life, where I was introduced to my Wife 15 years before actually meeting her here in the physical.

I sawall kinds of sad spirits on the out skirts of what many call Heaven, and I knnda laughed at a Blue elephant who was crying, Then from out of nowhere, Fathyer said "We do not have room up here for that ." and I felt soo bad for laughing at anothers Pain, I put myself in a sort of remorseful bubble, not able to enjoy the love which heaven had to offer, untill a bright pink spirit came and Melded, and danced with me, letting me know I was still loved . THis spirit was my Future wife who was brought there also for the introduction.

15 years later, in another State, I was recounting what I saw in heaven to a woman who was managing a Hotel I was staying at, and she stoped me short, and finished the story, letting Me know she was the pink spirit , and My intended.

I also Have conversations with God (Father and Mother) They are the most loving Parents a Boy could ever hope to have.

Love Omnaka

Good post lava
"And further (thus): set thy face towards Religion with being Haneef(true piety), and never in any wise be of the Unbelievers;" (10/95)

Your on some strong sh1t there man.

So you believe in a God mother and a God father? What religion is that?

It is the religion of Unconditional love, The same religionb or way of life we have in our heaven.

Mother, who is the Holy Spirit, and Father, Togeather make one God. this is their world.

Love Omnaka

It was not the sword that spread the word, it was the word that spread the sword.
The Moslem movements back then led to rebellions against tyrants and dictactors. Most of the wars The Great Prophet fought was to liberate those who suffer under tyrants, and amazed by the mercy and equality in Islam, those 'subjugated' lands gave themself to Islam. Later Middle Eastern wars were the results of the thirst of power from the so-called "moslems". I believe in what the Holy Quran and Prophet Muhammad taught me, but never take anything seriously from anyone after him.

Islam teaches hatred. No good human being can believe Islam unless he/she is confused and stuck with it.

9:73, "O Prophet! Struggle against the unbelievers and hypocrites and be harsh with them"

9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free.

Simply read context,

You cannot find any verses in Kur’an that says kill or fight anyone who did nothing to you. The verse(9/5) that you show evidence is the result of being attacked, thus its self defence. If you can find any evidence to the contrary from Kur’an, please present the specific verses(but before and after with context).

You referenced these verses but dont know or dont want to present what is said before and after these. Do you know what is this surah talking about?.The aim of this surah is repentance and its name is also repentance. The verses you mentioned about this surah is talking about a treatment between believers and unbelievers which infringed by unbelievers via attacking and killing believers. Lets see what Kur’an says before 9/5;

9/4 “Except for those with whom you had a treaty from among those who have set up partners if they did not reduce anything from it nor did they plan to attack you; you shall continue the treaty with them until its expiry. God loves the righteous.”

9/5 “So when the restricted months have passed, then you may kill those who have set up partners wherever you find them, and take them, and surround them, and stand against them at every point. If they repent, and honor the connection, and contribute towards betterment, then you shall leave them alone. God is Forgiving, Merciful.”

And in 9/73 Kur’an points out the unbelivers and hypocrites (who acts like believer but actually not a believer). What is wrong with this? Says “strive against the rejecters and the hypocrites and be firm against them.” This does not mean kill them without any reason. Actually you cannot kill hypocrites because they act like a believer so you should declare some evidences, some documents against them to show their hypocracy who were giving harm to the believers at that time by working as a spy of idolworshippers. Also here context is also important one must try to interprete verses according to whole context. So Kur’an do not teach hatred but you try to make people hatred here with your limited knowledge or intentionally. So then you are good human being trying to teach(falsely as how you want to see, because you are full of hate) people how to hate muslims.

Any proof that Allah is the one and only creator? Other than an antique book of mythology? Come talk to me when you do.

I forgive muslims for all the problems they have been causing lately.

My limited knowledge of Koran doesn't change what is written in Koran. Here are a few verses from the Koran. I have posted verse 9:28 and 9:31 to make the context clear. Read the verse 9:29 and 9: 30 carefully.

[9.28] O you who believe! the idolaters are nothing but unclean, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year; and if you fear poverty then Allah will enrich you out of His grace if He please; surely Allah is Knowing Wise.

9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

[9.31] They have taken their doctors of law and their monks for lords besides Allah, and (also) the Messiah son of Marium and they were enjoined that they should serve one God only, there is no god but He; far from His glory be what they set up (with Him).

Not only does this verse encourage muslims to fight innocent non belivers, this verse also prohibits muslims to follow the religion of TRUTH?

Which is the religion of TRUTH according to Mohammed?

If muslims are prohibited from following the religion of TRUTH what religion are they following? Are they follwoing the religion of FALSE WOOD?

Telling believers to fight non believers is enough reason to conclude ISLAM teaches hatred.

Selam
Let me begin, firstly sorry for my English(i wrote and translate quickly from my other writings) and then i must confess i am bored about people who try to basterdize the context and use them to insult Kuran intentionally(i hope you do not take this an insult to you). Because i do not know how many times i answered the same question, so you can also find satisfying answers when you do search the sites using only Kuran as a source. Anyway, let me explain Kuranic concept of war and peace. The statements in the verses are separated from the main stream(telling), context and interpreted differently as extreme fundamentalists(they are not muslim but call themselves as muslim) use them to brainwash the illiterate people as well as unbelievers. However if these verses are read and interpreted in the logic of the complete Kuran according to the main teaching, we can enlighten the subject easily.

9/28 “O you who believe, those who have set up partners are impure, so let them not approach the Restricted Temple after this year of theirs; and if you fear poverty, then God will enrich you from His blessings if He wills. God is Knowledgeable, Wise.”

According to Kuran idolworshippers are impure because they do not believe in Allah, they insult to the words of Allah, they are also lacking moral according to Kuran so Kuran call them impure, and forbid them to approach Restricted Temple(Kaba), for instance at the time of prophet the kafiroon used to do tawaf while totally naked around the Restricted Temple(according to history), so is there anything wrong here?

9/29 Fight those who do not believe in God or the Last Day, and they do not forbid what God and His messenger have forbidden, and they do not uphold the system of truth; from among the people who have been given the Scripture; until they pay the fine, willingly or unwillingly.

When you look at and checkover the statements in this verse, the people who should be fought were not all of the People of Book but a group among them who were also fighting against believers. Believers fought against them because they were fighting against believers, this is the reason. As i mentioned in my previous post while i tried to explain 9/5. If one read the surah 9 from beginning to end, the subject and purpose can be understood clearly. You can see the behaviours of people who are fighting against believers from 2/6 to20 and n the other hand you can also see the People of Book described in 2/121.

The verses about war should be commented related to the completeness of Kur’an. On the contrary of your claims, war should be done with the aim of self defence . War being made due to harm people and conquer is strictly forbidden by Kuran. Political wars are forbidden by Allah according to Kuran. When the believers are attacked, they are given permission to defend, but it has been emphatically made clear that justice should not be a casualty even while fighting. As soon as the attackers pledge to keep away from sedition, the believers are ordered to stop fighting. In verses 2/190-193 of surah Bakara Allah says;

2/190-193 “And fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not transgress, God does not like the aggressors. And kill them wherever you find them, and expel them from where they expelled you, and know that persecution is worse than being killed. And do not fight them at the Restricted Temple unless they fight you in it; if they fight you then kill them, thus is the reward of the disbelievers. And if they cease, then God is Forgiving, Merciful. And fight them so there is no more persecution, and so that the system is God's. If they cease, then there will be no aggression except against the wicked.”

Anyone can understand from the above verses, fight can be made only againgst people who fight you and for the case of self defence. In its every above mentioned phrase, there is a check. ?...Do not transgress... Allah does not love the transgressors... Do not fight them near the Mosque unless they attack you... If they desist, know that Allah is forgiving, Merciful... But if they desist, fight not except the oppressors...?. Anyone has taken out the sentences from in-between to prove the cruelty of the teachings of Kuran. Similar is the case of other verses that are quoted out of context. Please consider that these instructions are not the instruction for normal peace times. These are the war time instructions when war is imposed upon the believers. Kuran instructs that the war is not declared on every unbeliever. Even during the war with the unbelievers, distinction has to be made in case of those who have treaties with the believers. Treaties have to be honoured. Even with those who impose war upon the believers, instructions are given for a respite from war in the four sacred months.

Apart from these God want from believers to fight with all power against people who attack you and try to invade you(your country) as stated in 9/13-15;

9/13-15 “Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths and intended to expel the messenger, especially while they were the ones who attacked you first? Do you fear them? It is God who is more worthy to be feared if you are believers. Fight them; perhaps God will punish them by your hands and humiliate them and grant you victory over them and heal the chests of the believing people. And to remove the anger from their hearts; God pardons whom he pleases. God is Knowledgeable, Wise.”

Again here Kuran talking about the people who infringed the agreement and attack believers first as i mentioned in my previous post while i tried to explain 9/5. and again these are the war time instructions when war is imposed upon the believers. Being strong-minded and powerful in war cause to war cease quickly, and also this will be a dissuasive example to the people who will try to attack you again.

Again apart from above the second situation is when Islam orders an attack instead of a defensive war. When a group of believer(people) are oppressed in a country and they are crying for help, Islam orders its followers to go out to fight the oppressor. Allah allows to fight in order to protect believers who are weakened, are being tortured, are poor. To save them and protect them.Kuran says these in surah 4 verse 75.

4/75 “And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from Thee one who will protect; and raise for us from Thee one who will help!”
This kind of war is not made cause of violence but mercy.

The Kuran speaks of lifting arms in strictly two situations. In the first situation, the permission is granted to defend themselves when in a Muslim state, they are attacked by those who had already driven Muslims out of their country for the specific reason that they professed and worshipped one God. Remember, it does not allow a Muslim majority province of a non-Muslim majority country to revolt and demand a separate Muslim state. If Muslims are oppressed in a non-Muslim majority country for their religion (not for social or political conflicts), they are advised to migrate to a Muslim state, instead of taking to arms. But if an independent Muslim state is attacked by an enemy of Islam for their religion, then Kuran permits them to defend. See the following order of the Kuran.
22/39-40 “Permission (to take up arms) is hereby given to those who are attacked because they have been wronged. Allah has power to grant them victory: those who have been unjustly driven from their homes, only because they said: “Our Lord is Allah..””

Remember again, the above verses are relevant only when there is war imposed upon the believers.

In peace Allah wants from believers to be fair, righteous and good to others to protect the peace:

60/8 “God does not forbid you from those who have not fought you because of your system, nor drove you out of your homes, that you deal kindly and equitably with them. For God loves the equitable.”

So according to Kuran any people from any religion who wants to live in peace, can live with believers in peace. Anyway ill not quote anymore verses about peace, i think it is clear.

Besides about the verse 9/30 that you bolded, nothing contains violence, Allah says that He willl punish them not believers (if they do not attack believers), in that verse Allah says these are wrong beliefs only so no need the explain deeply it is clear from the verse below;

9/30 “The Jews said: "Ezra is God's son," and the Nazarenes said: "The Messiah is God's son." Such is their utterances with their mouths, they imitate the sayings of those who rejected before them. God will fight them. They are deluded from the truth!”

So you see they are not innocent unbelievers as you mentioned, so these verses nothing to do with prohibition of muslims to follow religion of truth which is the religion of Allah. Religion belongs to Allah not Muhammed, he is the messenger of Allah, Muhammed’s mission was to spread the message thus Kuran is the words of Allah according to a believer.

As a conclusion Kuran does not tell the believers to attack innocent unbelievers till they attack the believers so they become attacker not innocent. So Kuran does not teach hatred but yes the people especially fundamentalists who are far away from Kuran, use religion(interpret the verses falsely and twisted them) to take political advantage, lost in false hadiths teach hatred i think you try to mention them by saying Islam and "all the problems they have been causing lately".

Did you actually add some of these verses, or is this the true verses that you know? This is kinda strange coz we also interpret the Quran and adapt it to the current lifestyle in every ages.

Okay, so you think that ALL moslems are terrorist? Is that being told by your religion, or by oil craved leaders? It's just like saying this "ALL Americans are terrorists!", because I want to tkae over McDonalds and other fast food industries

Actually, those violent Moslems you've seen everywhere on media, are not truly moslems per se. For example:
In the past, those who attacked and subjugated other lands are actually warring tribesmen, and Middle East in those era has alot of them. And they happened to be Moslems. No I don't defend, this is a fact. Most of them fought in the name of the tribes' glory, not in religion. The religion came after the war. And one more thing: not all of them being forcibly converted to moslems, when the moslems went south to Africa, so many of these African people asked to be converted, some even joined the army, got high ranks and being extremely richer then before. The reason is because this is a very safe way to avoid slavery, since Islam kinda banished slavery.

hay navigator.

you gave two verses from the surah At-Tauba. this surah has 129 verses that related to eachother.

QUOTE

9:12 But if they violate their oaths after their covenant, and taunt you for your Faith,- fight ye the chiefs of Unfaith: for their oaths are nothing to them: that thus they may be restrained.

QUOTE

9:13 Will ye not fight people who violated their oaths, plotted to expel the Messenger, and took the aggressive by being the first (to assault) you? Do ye fear them? Nay, it is Allah Whom ye should more justly fear, if ye believe!

only if you like to ignore then you would not understand.

--BY BEING THE FIRST TO ASSAULT--

Muslims didnot attack anyone. people who did not have faith in Allah did attack Muslims. Muslims defended themselves. later, disbelievers and Muslims made a deal, an oath to stop war. Muslims did believe their word. but unfortunately they were liars, they did lie in ambush and killed unarmed Muslims. so these verses were given.

the name of the surah means Repentance and it is about repentance. which means, even if they killed your children, your mothers and your fathers, in case they ask for repentance, accept them as your brothers. and that's what Muslims did.
yet, disbelievers were not sincere about the promise they gave. so they kept on killing Muslims who took them as brothers.

that might be wrong attitude my friend

Finally people are talking sense.

but watch kratos come along and try to denounce islam.