im in my evolutionism class, and this girl asks randomly... God created the world in 7 days and rested on the 6th day... and the question was.... was their to no that the day was a 24hr period.. what if a day back then was a week... or even longer... i remeeber that some guy clamined it being 24hr a long time ago.. but it ust got me thinkin.. maybe the days back then werent the same as now.

i always wonderd if god was powerful enough to creat the universe,,how come it took him 6days and why did he need rest...when he created the universe there wasnt a clock yet and by wich planets rotation did he use to mark a day?

that is a good question...the day of rest was created for man and God made the example...He wanted to make sure that we understand that rest is an important part of life....as for the clock, you are right...there was not our clock as we know it but i am sure that God has one that He uses...it would be interesting to know how He times things.

randomhit10

Thats all horror fantasy, an artificial monalith created to replace the truth of origion. Which did'nt suit those who changed it to what your writing here.

God's do not need rest.

Not sure if this is quite relating to the question.
But I don't believe that the seven days, is actually seven 24 hour periods. I believe it was much much longer than that. The earth would be much younger if that was the case, and it is not.

i have read many different thoughts about the length of days...i lean toward a 24 hr day simply because that is what i know a day to be now...but then i think about how in certain areas of the world, day light is 6 months and night is 6 months...one more idea, our planet is loaded with all kinds of plant life...when the world was created and the plant life was created then the days had to be close to what they are now or the plant life would not survive, either too hot or too cold, too dark, etc....

randomhit10

time is relative

The worlds vegatation is different today then it was.

how is it different?

randomhit10

The atmospheric conditions were different, it's development was different because of that. Much like the various people's have changed from what they once were.

how do you know this?...fossil records do not support major changes in atmosphere, vegetation, or other living matter.

randomhit10

Much of the land area back then is under water now, and the landmass as we know it today, was heaved up from lower levels during those changes. There is no "proof" to go on, just the present day scribblings. As each age's knowledge is.

are you talking about the great flood or something before that?

randomhit10

Before that, yes.

God didn't create the world, and I'm absolutely shocked that people rely on 2000 year old ridiculous assumptions of people who didn't know anything about the world.

There is an overwhelming amount of evidence to show several changes in atmosphere, vegetation, living matter and everything.

There's not a scrap of evidence to support the existance of the "great flood" as it appears in the bible.

Doesn't God say somewhere in the bible something like a day to him is like years to us? Or....something along those lines. I remember hearing it a few times but I can't find it in the bible.

Thats why i said before that Wombat. I know the bible is all hooha.

if my previous post shocked you, better sit down for this one....i believe you are wrong in your assumption about the 2000 year old idea of God...God transcends time, the Heavens and earth declare His Glory and are a testament to His creation....

now, get up off the floor, breathe into the paper bag....you ok?

where do you get your overwhelming evidence of atmospheric, fauna, and flora changes? what are the changes? what evidence suports this change?

next, the ground and rock support the great flood...there is a layer of sediment that many geologist believe came from a world wide flood...the fossil records support it also....fossils appear abruptly, not in small bits becoming more numerous as layers build up in the ground which also suggests creation.

randomhit10

Never said there were'nt world wide floods during those changes either.

Good journey on this all.

Peace.

damn this is a hot convo lol... im just readin it... but could 7 days be longer then then they are now?

yes, 7 days could be longer...no one knows for sure...in certain areas of the planet there are days that last 6 months and nights that last 6 months (i guess that would add to the idea of a day as we know it being a year to God)...but the plant life on this planet would not survive in such a condition, they require more sunlight and warmer conditions...according to biologists, the plant life on this planet only survive in a narrow window of light and temperature...this is why so much concern has been seen about such conditions as global warming which will cause more clouds and block out some of the sun...this could have a really harsh effect on the plant life.

as far as the Bible being hooha as caana believes, the Bible has many references to the things of the world (food we eat, our physical care, etc.) that has turned out to be very good advice for our health...(assuming you don't want to believe any of the rest of it)....but you do cut yourself off from the best that life has to offer...

randomhit10

All I was saying that I can't believe that people believe in the bible. I don't understand what you just said means.
From geologists and other scientists who have actually studied the issues and know what they are talking about.

But just to please your need for some examples: do you see dinosaurs, giant ferns, giant sharks, giant insect walking around these days? Do you see continental ice in southern Europe?

Answer: no.


I am afraid that you are plain wrong. All that information is false, where did you get it?

I suppose you are a creationist. The creationist argument is ridiculous and completely discredited by modern science. What you believe in is NOT science.



You are free to talk about creationism as much as you want, but don't expect to be taken even half-seriously.

i believe you don't understand...thanks for pleasing me...dinos disappeared abruptly and completely as did many of the other species you talk about...this happened because of a world wide catastrophy that left nothing to start the species over (giant ice? maybe...). the fossil record proves this (whether you want to believe it or not)...o k, i'll go with the reclining ice age...that was a change that has been proven...is that your best shot?...i get my info by studying the records of scientific research...by both pro and con creationist...where would you recommend i get my info?

i do appreciate you allowing me the opportunity to express my belief about God and His creations...you are a fine example of tolerance for others beliefs...i know how hard it is to be patient with people who have ridiculous ideas especially when the information they use has been proven to be incorrect...whether you take me seriously is not an issue...oh well, i'm off to save the world in God's name...i will try to make you proud.

randomhit10

You're better off buying a school textbook on the subject than asking me, for I'm not too much into geology. However, I can add that that the continental plates have been moving around for billions of years, there have been many, many ice ages, there have been different amounts of different gases in the atmosphere, there have been different temperatures in the oceans, there have been cataclysmic events, the earth has been further and closer to the sun, there have been times of massively increased vulcanic activity, etc, etc.

What killed off the dinosaurs, by the way, was a giant asteroid that hit the Yukatan Peninsula.

I recommend that you get your information from Wikipedia, it's very reliable, objective and informative.

you are correct about the plates, but their moving around has not been responsible for all the changes in life on this planet...there are almost daily quakes and most hardly move the recorders...but outside of the asteroid, these events are generally not catastrophic events...more local than global...the earth has been on the pattern with the sun for ages so i am not sure what you are trying to point out, but you are correct in what you were saying....

i know about the asteroid colision,,that is why most life shows an abrupt end, such as the dinos...i is an interesting article...

by the way, do you know who wrote the wikipedia?...it has some very reliable info for the most part...superficial in some things.

randomhit10

What do you consider as Giant? Because there are pretty big bugs insects and rodents in some parts of Asia and the Islands, and unless your the type of guy who actually travel deep in the forest and study wildlife and habitats, Don't make claims that you think are so sure of.

But the events discussed are responsible for eliminating every species over a hundred pounds from the face of the earth, the after effect of the meteor strike would have taken years to disappate and would leave the land looking totally different.
Don't be so quick to eliminate the flood theory either, its been discussed in every culture. There are commonalities in the ancient histories of asia and africa and south america and north amerrica, India all have stories of a great deluge that reordered the entire world.

Just remember the law of "Wombat is always right and he is never wrong, but anyone who disagrees with him is always wrong."
You cannot beat that rule its futile.

When we all know this debate you guys are having is still in theory and he is only going on the side that has been announced by "scientists and experts" and could careless for any other theory.

The plates once formed a giant supercontinent. In the middle of the continent it was amazingly hot because there was no cool sea air to cool it down. It counted towards a certain mass extinction some time ago.

Anyone can edit it, so it's mostly a compilation of the work of many people. Although there are strict guidelines reguarding neutrality, accuracy, vandalism and the like, so it's not like all the information is totally arbitrary.

Giant as in mosquitoes the size of small birds. Particularily insects were large, because back in the dinosaur days there was a higher percentage of oxygen in the atmosphere (32% to 35%, compared to today's 21%).

There isn't a scrap of scientific evidence that a great flood ever occured. There isn't even enough water for that to happen.

You must realize that I'm not arbitrarily inveting stuff by myself here, I'm actually trying to bring in some science and logic to the discussions. These aren't my opinions, this is what I know about science. I don't exclude other people's views arbitrarily simply because I don't like them, I exclude them based largely on their scientific merit.

I'm sorry that you (like most others here) dislike this logic, but that's how I see things, and I won't change despite your (rather childish) commentary. If you don't wish to discuss things with me, you don't have to.


Scientists actually know a lot more than us. They dedicate their lives to usually a tiny fraction of a broader topic, going into much more detail than we can comprehend. Do you think it's wise to ignore all of that work? Can you suggest a better way to gather information?

what about the fact that we measure distance in space with light years? and that if we travel to any point, no matter how little or far it may be, time changes for us and people back on earth. the whole, "your gone 2 years and people back on earth have aged greatly relative to you". what about climbers finding sea shells at the top of mt. everest?

did it escape you the 70% of the earth is water?

70.8% of the earth's SURFACE is water. The deepest point in the ocean is the Mariana trench, which is only 10,911 meters deep (the Earth is on average 12,742 km in diamater). That's very, very little water compared to the earth's volume.

I don't know what your point with the light thing is. However, people on earth don't get older because you are going fast, you are just ageing slower because you are going fast.

The sea shells make sense because a long time ago the mountain didn't exist. It was just some lowland areas. The mountains were formed when tectonic plates pushed against each other, creating an elevation.

thanks for the support....i also understand what you mean by your other post...i see this a lot especially when i say the "c" word (creation) or the "G" word (God) and especially the "J" word (Jesus)

"Just remember the law of "Wombat is always right and he is never wrong, but anyone who disagrees with him is always wrong."
"You cannot beat that rule its futile.

When we all know this debate you guys are having is still in theory and he is only going on the side that has been announced by "scientists and experts" and could careless for any other theory."

i don't think he realizes that everyting i have posted also comes from experts and scientists...i guess the are not experts if the have another answer...oh well,


contactismade also brought up some interesting points....these are correct especially about the flood...

have a safe and happy memorial day everyone...

randomhit10

Well he is an ashiest, but if he was a true atheist he should careless and not give opinion like answers.




He isn't too bad as I would have thought. I mean all he wants is proof i suppose.

Well he is an ashiest, but if he was a true atheist he should careless and not have opinion-like answers. I mean why care so much if there is a god or not? You're an atheist you shouldn't even care or have an opinion on any religion.




He isn't too bad as I would have thought. I mean all he wants is proof i suppose.

OK....I took a creation vs evolution class and someone asked the same question

We spent a good hour going over the math and talking about different possiblities

Basicly what it boiled down to is you take other refenece points (i.e. it took so and so "x" amount of time to walk from point a to point b and see how long it takes to walk said distance. OR we know that one rotation of the earth= 1 day and 365 days is the amount of time it takes the earth to circle the sun which = 1 year. And if "x" person lived to be 245 or "x" group spent 40 years in the desert...etc)

Anyways... one creation day = 20-25 hours






as far as there being 7 days.... Thats because God planned everything out for us. There are 7 days in a week because we had 7 days of creation (6 days of creation, 1 day of rest) and the one day of rest is where we get the weekend from.....Everyone's always complaining about how hard Monday mornings are. Just think if God created the earth in 1 day. Every day would be a Monday!








And just how old IS the earth?









Ok.....and for "some" People *cough*WOMBAT*cough* the plates do drift, yes. But the orginal cause of the break up of the super continent (BEFORE Pangea) was when the great deep burst forth at the start of the great flood (For which there is not only a ton of geological evidence but also cultural. Every culture has a story of a global flood and someone saving people and animals by some form of boat) also, a flood of that size (as well as genetic breakdown) has caused the planet to change from how it was back then




And riddle me this......*IF* a giant space rock hit the earth and killed all the dinosaurs.....care to explain how? It just so happened to kill off every single speacies of dinosaur but left tons of other animals alive? Even if you believe something like that (and if you are one of these people that believes in evolution and astroids killing the dinos....then I've very sorry for you that you cannot see what's right in front of you) it would make much more sense that some sort of illness wiped out the dinosaurs.



And as far as evolution goes.....does anyone care to explain to me how nothing could explode into the universe and cause such complex things like the sun, the different layers of a planet, DNA, the human brain, etc.........so basicly you're saying that we, in our human bodies evolved from nothing and just randomly fall into place after a while? Do you have ANY idea how complex the human body is? Or anything for that matter? Based on your theory of evolution, if I take all the ingredients to a cake and set them out on the counter the cake will make itself if I just wait long enough.

And what about the Coelacanth? These "experts" that you put so much faith in say that it takes a min. of 5 million years for something to evolve....yet the coelacanth "Died out" 75 million years ago.....until they faund a live one. 75 MILLION years is more then enough time for something to evolve...yet it remains unchanged




Ok....I just finished reading the entire post/topic......including all of what wombat's been saying. No offense.....but please excuse me for a minute while I laugh. HAHAHAHAHAHA. There. Thank you.


70% of the earth is water....and the trench in this place and blah blah blah...etc......You didnt take into account water vapor. (thats all the clouds and stuff) And you're all talk about asteroids and stuff....first allow me to take a minute to tell you about the different terms. An Asteroid is a naturally formed solid body that orbit the sun, has no atmosphere and no signs of gas or dust coming from it. (Most are found in orbit between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter.) A Meteor is a rock, iron and/or icy body entering the Earth's atmosphere. A Meteorite is any meteor striking the ground.

Now that we got that outta the way.....the meteorite the "Killed the dinosaurs" would have launched an enormous ammount of water into outer space



No evidence of the flood? Ummm.....I'm sorry but what rock have you been living under?

And your whole "Mountains where lowlands" theory PROVES there was a great flood. If the waters covered the highest mountain by 20 feet....and there were no mountains.....then just a regular flood of 20 feet of water could have covered the mountains.


Ok....this reply is getting long enough.

Lets recap shall we?

1.God made the earth in 6 days.

2.He rested on the 7th day to give us a week.

3.An asteroid has never hit the earth. Only meteorites.

4.A meteorite did not kill the dinosaurs.

5.There was a global flood.

6.Evolution is just something people that don't know how to think for themselves believe in.

7.Atheists don't believe in God. By saying "I don't believe in God" they are atually proving they believe. You don't have heated disscusions, arguments, etc... ABOUT God if you don't believe in Him. If they actually didnt believe in God then they wouldn't say anything. Please, by all means, I welcome you to prove to me that there is no God.

8.Wombat makes me laugh. He knows quite a lot about many different things. But he just needs to have a little more opened mind.

How the hell is this the question of all questions?

Although the creationis argument has been totally and completely crushed by science and there is no need to respond to so basic delusions, I will entertain you with this:


- About 4.57 billion years old.

- No, continental plates move because of convection currents under the earth's crust. There is not a scrap of geological evidence (none) that there was ever a flood that spanned the entire world. That isn't even possible because there isn't enough water.
Not true.

- Not true, you just made that up.

- A large asteroid has an immense amount of kinetic energy, much more than you could ever imagine. When it struck the earth at the Yucatan Peninsula, it vapourized enourmous amounts of earth, which rose into the atmosphere blocked out the sun for a several years. This caused a cooling of the earth, which killed the dinosaurs. There were also other, smaller factors to consider. Small mammals and other animals survived.

Here is some interesting information on the asteroid that struck earth from wikipedia:

The meteorite's estimated size was about 10 km (6 mi) in diameter, releasing an estimated 500 zettajoules (5.0×10^23 joules) of energy, approximately 100 teratons of TNT, on impact. By contrast, the most powerful man-made explosive device ever detonated, the Tsar Bomba or Emperor Bomb, had a yield of only 50 megatons, which would make this impact 2,000,000 times more powerful than the Tsar Bomba.

The impact would have caused some of the largest megatsunamis in Earth's history. These would have spread in all directions, hitting the Caribbean island of Cuba especially hard. The emission of dust and particles caused environmental changes close to a nuclear winter, during which the surface of the Earth was totally covered by a cloud of dust for several years. (Pope, et al., 1997)

Life is just a manifestation of matter which appears when the circumstances are adequate, although we don't know why. The first life is estimated to have appeared on earth 3.7 billion years ago. Back then, it was very basic and only gradually evolved into more complex species such as ourselves. It wasn't a sudden change when we were inserted as we are into the world, as you suggest it is. There is nothing supernatural about any of that.
First off, I would like to point out that you are picking on a minor detail within a vast system of evolution. Secondly I would like to say that a creature that thrives successfully as it is, and has no need to adapt, won't change. It does not contradict evolution in any way.
Why do you say no offence when all you want to do is offend? I bet my entire fortune that you aren't even smiling in real life.
Vapour makes up for 0.001% of the earth's water. That's nine times less water than in the lakes and rivers of the world (0.009%). And water only makes up a tiny, minute fraction of the earth's volume. So yeah, there is very little water.
No, it wouldn't have sent water to space. The escape velocity of the earth (the speed at which an object has to travel in order to leave the earth) is 39,600 km/h, or 11.186 km/s. There is no way vapour can travel that fast.

And no, there is no evidence whatsoever, in any way, shape or form, that there was ever a flood that covered the entire globe. Absolutely none. That's just a crappy kindergarten story, and it's impossible in every way, not the least of which is that there simply is not enough water for it to be possible.
There were plenty of mountains, just not there. But the Himalayas have been there for millions of years, and as far as I know the flood is said to have taken place several thousand years ago. So everest was the tallest mountain in the world even at that time.

1 + 2) There is no way of knowing that god even exists. We today have a very clear view of how the earth was formed.
3) You are just concetrating on specific wording, it's totally irrelevant what you call it.
4) Wrong, you just invented that.
5) Wrong, you just have blind faith in the bible.
6) Wrong, you just don't have the slightest clue what it even is.
7) By saying that they don't believe in god, they mean that they don't belive in god (wow, what a shocker). Atheists really don't care if others believe in god or not, they just care if they start spreading lies.

And I can't prove to you that there isn't a god. But can you prove to me that there isn't a pink winged elephant in my closet?
8) The most hypocritical statement of the century. Creationists are the infamous for their incredible close-mindedness.

Where did you get all this misinformation? Did you make it all up or did someone teach you this? Please, tell me.

what if........it wasnt the creation of the world , but the creation of man..... The creation of the seven chakras
what if........ the story of the Garden of Eden and the serpent was............. the placing of kundalini in the base of the spine
what if........ I am full of sh**......,maybe but I find the above notion facinating to think about.

anyway, I think trying to understand the english version of the Bible is futile........ even in it original form , it wasn;t written by god, it wasn't dictated by god.......he had nothing to do with writing it - or arbitrarily deciding which books to include and which to declare as appochryful (spelling?) ......its all man-made stuff - and to try to declare it as divinely inspired............haha,good try....

This seems to have developed into another topic !

I agree, the bible was written by man not God !

If we believe the bible then God already knows the fate of man !

God who is all knowing knows our past, present and future then what is the point ?

If he already has all this planned out ( it is gods will ) then we have no choice!

He already knows the choices we will make and what our futures hold so
that means some of us are predestined to be killers, child molesters others to be priest or super stars, some born to starve to death while others live in abundance, some predestined to live in Heaven and others to burn in hell !

We must accept Jesus as our savior to make it to heaven.
Then why is it that some get 12yrs another gets 56 yrs another gets 102 yrs
how is that fare.

I believe in a higher power just not the one that the bible offers up !

Very good. I've also noticed how Genesis parallels a lot with DNA structure. People who take any Bible, any occult book, any religion word for word is a fool. The truth lies hidden between the lines.

What about: Can God cook a burrito so hot even he can't eat it? Well, he'd have to destroy himself first.

Like what?
Isn't it even crazier to hungrily scavange meaning from "between the lines"? I can look at a Donald Duck comic and find "amazing connections" with just about anything.

Lol, isn't that from the Simpsons?

if you don't want to believe the Bible then don't believe it....that crushing sound you are hearing is not science crushing the Bible, it is your ego crushing everyone else's right to believe something you don't agree with....there is plenty of evidence, to me, to vaildate creation...i do not believe we came from nothing...even basic math proves that...the earth and all it's inhabitants are too complex to have evolved in the time alloted for this earth...(see Haldanes Delimma)...or to have poped up out of the swamp.

as far as not much water, get a text book and study again...get a geology book and look at the sediment tables....these tables show a flood of earthly porportions...much of the water came from inside the earth (remember the plate shifting that has been harped on)...

but all belief depends on how you want to view it...whether you want to look for the answers or not...

randomhit10

Hello All i though i would point out to wombat (nether in favor nor against evolution) that the volume of the earth has nothing to do with a flood. After all if the earth's surface is covered isnt that a flood? there doesnt need to be a volume of water equal to the earth's mass. I can wrap a ball in plastic and completely cover it with a mere fraction of the mass of the ball.

Just pointing out holes (I will point out some more later I think....)

Im not talking about a large deluge, it wouldn't have taken much to inundate most of the worlds population. Most lived by bodies of water like oceans. Nearest point to a large food supply. In fact this theoratical flood may have been the catalyst that moved humanity furtehr inland.