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GoddessWhispers
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A few weeks before the events of September 11, 2001, Christopher Hitchens sat on a panel with Dennis Prager, a US religious broadcaster, who challenged him to a "straight yes/no question". Prager asked Hitchens to imagine himself standing in the street of a strange city at dusk as a large group of men approached him. Would he feel safer, or less safe, Prager wanted to know, if he knew the men had emerged from a prayer meeting?

After noting that it wasn't possible to answer "yes" or "no" to such a question, Hitchens writes: "I was able to answer it as if it was not hypothetical. Just to stay within the letter 'B', I have had that experience in Belfast, Beirut, Bombay, Belgrade, Bethlehem and Baghdad. In each case I can say absolutely, and can give my reasons, why I would feel immediately threatened if I thought that the group of men approaching me in the dusk had come from religious observance."

In Belfast, Hitchens saw locals terrorised for "no other reason than membership of another confession". In Belgrade, he'd seen Croatian Roman Catholics slug it out with Christian Orthodox Serbs. In Beirut, a suicide bomber's severed head stared at him in the street outside the French embassy. And so on.

Hitchens relates this in his second chapter, Religion Kills, an overture preceding a thundering 300-page cannonade; a thrillingly fearless, impressively wide-ranging, thoroughly bilious and angry book against the idea of God, the practice of religion and the vast majority of the planet "stupid" enough to believe. It's a call, too, in an age of flourishing fundamentalisms, for a new Enlightenment, a call partially lost in the demolition.

It's a book to boot an agnostic off the fence, to invigorate atheists and anti-theists; believers will find it challenging, perhaps diabolical, most certainly offensive. But then Hitchens not only has previous form - in 2002 he accepted the invitation of the Vatican to act as Devil's Advocate arguing the case against the beatification of Mother Teresa (her support of the prohibition on condoms Hitchens thought unconscionable in an environment rife with AIDS) - he is also a laureate of contempt. He means to start a fight.

Hitchens found atheism young. God is Not Great starts with a nine-year-old Hitchens fuming at his scripture teacher Mrs Jean Watts for telling him that God "has made all the trees and grass to be green, which is exactly the colour that is most restful to our eyes. Imagine if instead, the vegetation was all purple, or orange, how awful that would be."

Hitchens, despite being "frankly appalled by what she said", also registered a sympathetic shudder, before asserting what he knew to be right: "I simply knew ... that my teacher had managed to get everything wrong in just two sentences. The eyes were adjusted to nature and not the other way about." It will surprise no-one familiar with Christopher Hitchens that he was "frankly appalled" at a very young age.

Then he sets out his stall: "There are four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos; that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum of servility with the maximum of solipsism; that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression; and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking."

Hitchens spends about five or so of his 19 chapters dismantling monotheism's holy books. A quick sampling of the chapter titles gives an idea of his tone: Revelation: the Nightmare of the Old Testament; The "New" Testament exceeds the evil of the "Old" one; The Koran is Borrowed from Christian and Jewish myths; The Tawdriness of the Miraculous and the Decline of Hell.

His method is that of forensic sampling, tweezering out the inconsistencies in narrative, impossibilities of point of view and incriminating omissions (for example, the absence of divine injunctions against slavery or rape in the sacred texts), all the better to ridicule them as transparently the guesswork and wish-thinking of frightened, ignorant peoples. There is much bald assertion - "It goes without saying that none of the gruesome, disordered events described in Exodus ever took place" - but there is good logic, too: would the plagues, he asks, have been attributed to a vengeful God if the germ theory of disease were known at the time?

Next in his sights are "the contradictions and illiteracies" of the New Testament, a "tampered" text engineered to meet the prophecies of the Old Testament.

The Koran is condemned as a crude plagiarism of the Old and New testaments; and Muhammad is a man of "unlettered simplicity", whose claim to have transcribed the word of God is ridiculed and his morality questioned: "We may flinch a little at this mammal's betrothal to a nine-year-old girl, and at the keen interest in ... the division of the spoils after his many battles and numerous massacres."

This is easily the most impressive of the present crop of atheistic and anti-theistic books: clever, broad, witty and brilliantly argued, it takes on in one volume the scientific rationalist refutation of God found in Richard Dawkins, and the contemporary political objections found in Sam Harris, and adds the arguments and thoughts of thinkers as disparate as Freud, Hume and H.L. Mencken among many others. Rather than target one weak point hard, Hitchens goes hard at them all: faith is condemned as an overrated virtue; the holy texts are a sham; religious metaphysics are false; intelligent design is foolish; and, best argued of all, religious people are very, very dangerous.

That said, for all the entertainment and gleeful scorn, Hitchens himself is sometimes just too much. That he so clearly relishes his misanthropy - "I wake up every day to a sensation of pervading disgust and annoyance," he wrote in the foreword to his essay collection Love, Poverty and War - is the chief reason his literary criticism is so hard to believe, and disgust shadows every line of God is Not Great.

He is also occasionally guilty of crassness. For example: "In the very recent past we have seen the Church of Rome befouled by its complicity in the unpardonable sin of child rape, or as it might be phrased in Latin form, no child's behind left." Hitchens squanders a lot of trust with that vulgar lapse: readers suddenly catch sight of him chortling at his desk and it's not pretty, or funny, and it impugns his seriousness elsewhere.
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MadMachine
Looks like a nice enough read, but a little useless to me as I already hold anti-theistic values. laugh.gif
So I probably won't be reading it.
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He is also occasionally guilty of crassness. For example: "In the very recent past we have seen the Church of Rome befouled by its complicity in the unpardonable sin of child rape, or as it might be phrased in Latin form, no child's behind left."

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Shankpin
QUOTE(GoddessWhispers @ May 26 2007, 07:37 AM) [snapback]1694850[/snapback]
Hitchens found atheism young. God is Not Great starts with a nine-year-old Hitchens fuming at his scripture teacher Mrs Jean Watts for telling him that God "has made all the trees and grass to be green, which is exactly the colour that is most restful to our eyes. Imagine if instead, the vegetation was all purple, or orange, how awful that would be."

"I simply knew ... that my teacher had managed to get everything wrong in just two sentences. The eyes were adjusted to nature and not the other way about." It will surprise no-one familiar with Christopher Hitchens that he was "frankly appalled" at a very young age.


I get the impression this guy is a miserable unhappy sourpuss.

I have to defend God's genius in our creation (though while asside from all religion.) Imo, It doesn't make a row of corn if this teacher was absolutely correct in her science or not. The "appalling" point I see here is regardless if the eyes adjusted to nature, or vice versa, we still see GREEN-- which IS (TRUE) "restful" to the eyes. If God had seen that the grass be purple, the psychology of our minds would find it "restful" too & I believe that to to be part of God's detailed genius creation.
MadMachine
I want Magenta trees! *shakes fist at God*
GoddessWhispers
The universal constant in Atheism is that god does not exist. After that, I think what that means, with respect to living in a world predominated by theistic principles, is something more that can be explored, as a unique interpretation of holding non-theistic values while still having a moral center and personal character. Which is often a subject of contention for theists to even imagine as true of Atheists.

I think institutionalized thinking, in religious affiliations, retards the human experience. Affecting limitations upon consciousness , based on accepting the authority of superstitions and fear. And so, I think just because I'm one that holds to Atheistic moral values, it doesn't mean there isn't a new way of understanding what that means, when others that hold to the same understanding, care to share their point of view.

I'll definitely be in line for this title at my local library. original.gif
Shadow_Hill
I reckon I'll give it a look. thumbsup.gif

I do like green grass though... my walls are green... I'd like everything to be green, as it's my favourite colour. grin2.gif
GoddessWhispers
Oh, I don't know. I've had occasion to see different colors in things usually taken for granted are meant to naturally be green. But that was a long time ago, and it's decidedly illegal to access a vehicle that makes it possible to see something more than what we believe is real. whistling2.gif Why do we think mind altering substances are illegal!? Because there is a decided advantage in controlling perceptions, that keeps everything within that realm of control. Wherein it is believed green is gods work, when in truth green isn't really green at all. wink2.gif
Skim Milky
its a shame that since a few people do evil things "in the name of religion" people stereotype us all. religion has made my life infinitely happier and caused a truly beautiful positive influence on those around me. you truly dont know what you are talking about
MadMachine
QUOTE(KingKarma420 @ May 27 2007, 04:02 AM) [snapback]1695768[/snapback]
its a shame that since a few people do evil things "in the name of religion" people stereotype us all. religion has made my life infinitely happier and caused a truly beautiful positive influence on those around me. you truly dont know what you are talking about

Is this addressing any person in particular? I'm glad religion has made your life happier. Once I accepted atheism, I myself became infinitely happier and an over-all more "whole" person.

I think such "awakenings" aren't caused by the belief system itself, but by the part of us stirred enough to be awakened by the belief system. Lots of us are stirred by something different, but all's well to me. thumbsup.gif
Never_Hit_Nirvana
QUOTE(KingKarma420 @ May 27 2007, 04:02 AM) [snapback]1695768[/snapback]
its a shame that since a few people do evil things "in the name of religion" people stereotype us all. religion has made my life infinitely happier and caused a truly beautiful positive influence on those around me. you truly dont know what you are talking about

You see, you're "stereotyped" because...
Oh, to hell with it. I'm done explaining 'guilt by association' to the religious.

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The Koran is Borrowed from Christian and Jewish myths

Ah, what the?!
I said this in world history class in college years ago and the professor about had a brain hemorrhage. Thought it was pretty obvious to me. Glad the author put a whole chapter on it in his book. I might have to check it out, just to see how closely my thinking matches his.
__Kratos__
QUOTE(KingKarma420 @ May 27 2007, 04:02 AM) [snapback]1695768[/snapback]
its a shame that since a few people do evil things "in the name of religion" people stereotype us all. religion has made my life infinitely happier and caused a truly beautiful positive influence on those around me. you truly dont know what you are talking about


What about the immoral and unethical acts that are supported by religion? You just don't care as long as you feel good about living step by step in your own belief?


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Rather than target one weak point hard, Hitchens goes hard at them all: faith is condemned as an overrated virtue; the holy texts are a sham; religious metaphysics are false; intelligent design is foolish; and, best argued of all, religious people are very, very dangerous.


Been reading the release chapters on another site for a while. I believe it was a 4 part series. Very well spoken and cuts down arguements from the other side. Religion is very weak, hypocritical and is full of holes. As the world shrinks this is becoming more and more known.
artymoon
The title says a lot about this writer's attitude. He should have titled it: GOD IS NOT GREAT..... I AM

I'm guessing he's atheist, so why would he use God in a title of his book? If God does not exist, then there is no need to ascribe the words 'not great'. They are there for no other reason than to offend and attack religous people. That's fine if he wants to do that, it is his intention I'm sure, but as Sunni said above... he sounds like a miserable unhappy sourpuss.
GoddessWhispers
Did you read the article?
artymoon
Yes.
Leonardo
Another Atheist 'bible'?

Seems ironic the Theist Christians are content with just one.
GoddessWhispers
I would dare say the theist catholic christians would not concur. tongue.gif

I also don't see this book as an Atheist bible. That would be redundant. If one reads the article, they'll note this is not an attack on christianity, but rather is a critical investigation into the institutionalized thinking of religion, and the deific icon that compells and has compelled, some of the most vicious, depraved, blood thirsty, anti-social psychotic genocidal campaigns, in the history of the world. God is not great, when it is believed human extermination is sacred in it's name. That's man. Not god. And I think that's what this book is saying. Belief in god, is faith in a man made contrivance, made in the image and likeness, replete with the faults, of humans. The bible says as much itself. And that is just the christian one. This book addresses every faith, that holds to belief in a god construct. Though, like every discussion in these forums on the topic of god, it is presumed that it must be the christian one one is speaking about. Bold! Considering the christian one is one of the youngest patriarchal heavenly father myths, in the history of deific worship. But it is, in that history, one of the most vicious and intolerant meglomaniacal ones, to date. And that is a tragic legacy indeed. sad.gif
draconic chronicler
QUOTE(Never_Hit_Nirvana @ May 27 2007, 05:47 AM) [snapback]1695900[/snapback]
You see, you're "stereotyped" because...
Oh, to hell with it. I'm done explaining 'guilt by association' to the religious.
Ah, what the?!
I said this in world history class in college years ago and the professor about had a brain hemorrhage. Thought it was pretty obvious to me. Glad the author put a whole chapter on it in his book. I might have to check it out, just to see how closely my thinking matches his.


Hmmmmm, I wonder why he is not on the Muslim "death list" for saying such things, or maybe he is?
GoddessWhispers
QUOTE(draconic chronicler @ May 29 2007, 05:31 AM) [snapback]1697758[/snapback]
Hmmmmm, I wonder why he is not on the Muslim "death list" for saying such things, or maybe he is?

How would one find out!? I mean, really!? ph34r.gif
Beckys_Mom
Religion is man made...evil is man made...when someonce says religion is evil..they really should be pointing the finger at man
GoddessWhispers
I point the finger at man, when I say those things. Because it is man, by which the words invested by religious authority to overtake the world in the name of faith, are effected. Man believes in god because they need cause to believe in something, that believes in them.
chaostrom
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Religion is man made...evil is man made...when someonce says religion is evil..they really should be pointing the finger at man


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I point the finger at man, when I say those things. Because it is man, by which the words invested by religious authority to overtake the world in the name of faith, are effected. Man believes in god because they need cause to believe in something, that believes in them.


Objection, mi'ladies! I believe that is sexism tongue.gif . Though monotheistic religions are patriarchal, the male gender itself is not at fault.
GoddessWhispers
The male sex wasn't indicted in the statement about man-made religion(s) and evil. Man-made, in this context, is an adjective. tongue.gif As such it may be morphed to have boobies, so that it's all inclusive, if you prefer. linked-image
chaostrom
I realise man-made is an adjective, but I don't think the same can be said of "point the finger at man" tongue.gif
GoddessWhispers
Then I dare say you'll have a jolly old time with terms like man kind, age of man and man-eating. tongue.gif
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