Naveed
Dec 8 2003, 09:48 PM
Ok, since everyone is on a dinosaur thing, I figured we should try to list all known cryptid dinosaurs and their possible species.
Heres the two I can remember so far:
1) Mokele Membe (sp?) - sauropod
2) Kasai Rex - an allosaurid super predator?
Naveed
Dec 8 2003, 09:49 PM
Oh yeah, and links to any info on them if anyone has any available.
Byuu94
Dec 8 2003, 10:19 PM
Don't forget dinos in babylon. Some think they could have exsisted until the days of mesopotamia. But that probably doesn't count.
There is Kongamoto, a pterodactly believe to believing in the Congo(always Africa). Megalania was a komodo dragon-like reptile that was the size of a cow and lived during the ice age in Auatrailia.
OneEye
Dec 8 2003, 11:50 PM
Nessie might be a plesiosaur.
man_in_mudboots
Dec 24 2003, 03:29 PM
uh, dinosaurs only, yall.....pterodactlys and pliosaurs dont count....didnt i hear about some dinos in south america one time?...yes, a sauropod type fellow, i believe.....*investigation in process*...and theres that dinosaur in delmere forest in england hammy posted a topic about.....
PlaguePrincess
Dec 24 2003, 04:40 PM
What dinosaur in Delmere forest?
man_in_mudboots
Dec 24 2003, 06:11 PM
| QUOTE (PlaguePrincess @ Dec 24 2003, 03:40 PM) |
| What dinosaur in Delmere forest? |
an allosaurid, probably a meagalosaur or a relative. cant find the link to that topic right now, sorry.
OneEye
Dec 25 2003, 01:09 AM
Pteradactyls and plesiosaurs are dinosaurs...
man_in_mudboots
Dec 25 2003, 03:47 PM
| QUOTE (OneEye @ Dec 25 2003, 12:09 AM) |
| Pterodactyls and plesiosaurs are dinosaurs... |
no way!

pterosaurs are closly related, but distinct, flying reptiles, and pliosaurids are distantly related ocean reptiles. not dinosaurs by a long shot!
thefirstman
Dec 25 2003, 05:04 PM
Mate they lived during the dinosaur period making them dinosaurs.Sorry to burst your bubble.Simple as that.
bathory
Dec 25 2003, 06:54 PM
| QUOTE |
| Mate they lived during the dinosaur period making them dinosaurs.Sorry to burst your bubble.Simple as that |
mammals lived during the reign of the dinosaurs...does that make them dinosaurs?
thefirstman
Dec 25 2003, 07:12 PM
erm..no,did i say that?.Pterodactyls are classified as dinosaurs,by historians and scientists alike.I believe them to be dinosaurs,you can have your opinions all you like,but these are mine
Naveed
Dec 25 2003, 09:41 PM
| QUOTE (thefirstman @ Dec 25 2003, 06:12 PM) |
erm..no,did i say that?.Pterodactyls are classified as dinosaurs,by historians and scientists alike.I believe them to be dinosaurs,you can have your opinions all you like,but these are mine |
Actually scientists classify pterodactyls as pterosaurs, not dinosaurs. And pleasiosaurs we're just water dwelling reptiles and also aren't classified as dinosaurs. Read any book on dinosaurs(except childrens books, they classify wooly mammoths as dinosaurs) , watch any show on dinosaurs and they we'll say they are not dinosaurs. Oh yeah, and this isn't an opinion it is fact.
man_in_mudboots
Dec 25 2003, 10:28 PM
tell em, naveed!!!firstman, thats like saying whales and bats are canines just because they are both mammals.....
thefirstman
Dec 26 2003, 12:09 AM
Well actually no it isn't mudboot man.Because i am no expert on dinosaurs,i was offering my opinion,i am allowed to here,that is the whole point.And so i stand corrected,not my damn fault is it.
| QUOTE |
| Oh yeah, and this isn't an opinion it is fact. |
Well good for you Naveed,as i said,what the hell am i to know,i was merely stating my opinion,i am no avid reader on dinosaurs.I have no time for childish bickerings over what is and what isn't when there are more important topics elsewhere,goodbye.I shall discuss this no further.
man_in_mudboots
Dec 26 2003, 06:45 PM
| QUOTE (thefirstman @ Dec 25 2003, 11:09 PM) |
Because i am no expert on dinosaurs, i was offering my opinion ~*~ Well good for you Naveed, as i said,what the hell am i to know, i was merely stating my opinion |
if you so readily admit you know little or nothing about dinosaurs, i wonder how did you find enough facts to support that very learned and scientific opinion?
soulfire78
Dec 26 2003, 07:51 PM
Perhaps instead of childish bickering over what is or is not defined as a dinosaur, we could expand the topic to include cryptid megabeasts, ie sauropods (if that is the scientifically correct term) that should otherwise be extinct, or that may not have been identified through fossil records yet...
This would include anything from prehistoric creatures such as the pterosaur, plesiosaur, and dinosaur, and possibly others.
To this point, we have:
1. Mokele Mbembe
2. Kasai Rex(Allosaur?)
3. Kongamoto-Pterodactyl(?)
4. The Loch Ness Monster-possible Plesiosaur
5. The Lake Champlain Monster-Possible Plesiosaur
6. The Delmere Forest Monster-possible Allosaurid or Megalosaur
Any other prehistoric reptillian cryptids? A 60 foot long prehistoric croc, perhaps?
PlaguePrincess
Dec 26 2003, 08:57 PM
Komodo dragons? are they related perhaps?
Naveed
Dec 27 2003, 03:05 AM
| QUOTE (soulfire78 @ Dec 26 2003, 06:51 PM) |
Perhaps instead of childish bickering over what is or is not defined as a dinosaur, we could expand the topic to include cryptid megabeasts, ie sauropods (if that is the scientifically correct term) that should otherwise be extinct, or that may not have been identified through fossil records yet...
This would include anything from prehistoric creatures such as the pterosaur, plesiosaur, and dinosaur, and possibly others.
|
Agreed. We'll expand it to, megafauna (wooly mammoths and such), dinosaurs, pterosaurs, and aqautic reptiles of the past.
man_in_mudboots
Dec 27 2003, 09:50 PM
| QUOTE (Naveed @ Dec 27 2003, 02:05 AM) |
| QUOTE (soulfire78 @ Dec 26 2003, 06:51 PM) | | Perhaps we could expand the topic to include cryptid megabeasts that should otherwise be extinct, or that may not have been identified through fossil records yet... |
Agreed. We'll expand it to megafauna (wooly mammoths and such), dinosaurs, pterosaurs, and aqautic reptiles of the past.
|
crud.
with all this expanding, this will be one long list by the time it is over.
Duofrost
Jan 14 2004, 11:17 PM
i found this link dont know how well it will help but i hope it does
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~mrbig2001/L...ptozooology.htm
man_in_mudboots
Jan 15 2004, 07:50 PM
| QUOTE (Naveed @ Dec 27 2003, 02:05 AM) |
| Agreed. We'll expand it to, megafauna (wooly mammoths and such. |
come to think of it, there are surprisingly few cryptids of wooly mammoths and such. or do i just not know about them?
Byuu94
Jan 18 2004, 01:50 AM
| QUOTE |
| come to think of it, there are surprisingly few cryptids of wooly mammoths and such. or do i just not know about them? |
Haven't heard of any wolly mammoths, but there have been some sabretoothed-tigers in Peru, supposedly.
Dark Knight
Jan 18 2004, 02:58 AM
DINOS RULE!!!
man_in_mudboots
Jan 18 2004, 03:21 PM
| QUOTE (Byuu94 @ Jan 18 2004, 12:50 AM) |
| QUOTE | | come to think of it, there are surprisingly few cryptids of wooly mammoths and such. or do i just not know about them? |
Haven't heard of any wolly mammoths, but there have been some sabretoothed-tigers in Peru, supposedly.
|
true, just i think its strange that there arnt any wooly legends, since there are alot of people that like them, every one knows them, and they were so common in the ice age.
man_in_mudboots
Jan 20 2004, 10:18 PM
hey, naveed, just saw a show last night on a mastodon relative, but i decided to post a seperate thread on it, youll want to read it, its called raja gaj.
Vera Ikon
Jan 21 2004, 12:44 AM
I once saw some show on PBS talking about how mastadons may have remained alive on remote Arctic islands (particularly near the Alaskan coast) up to a couple thousand years ago. How many thousands of years? I don't remember exactly, but it was less than 6000. So than means mastadons could've been around at the same time as the dawning of human civilization, but humans probably didn't interact with them because they were removed from the mainland.
As for the bickering...I don't know if it's just me, but after a nearly 2-month hiatus, I've come back to the forums and everyone seems to have gotten downright cranky! What changed, or was I just away for too long?
Byuu94
Jan 21 2004, 12:59 AM
We're NOT cranky!!!!!!
buggyelfmaiden
Jan 26 2004, 11:18 AM
| QUOTE (Vera Ikon @ Jan 20 2004, 11:44 PM) |
| I once saw some show on PBS talking about how mastadons may have remained alive on remote Arctic islands (particularly near the Alaskan coast) up to a couple thousand years ago. How many thousands of years? I don't remember exactly, but it was less than 6000. So than means mastadons could've been around at the same time as the dawning of human civilization, but humans probably didn't interact with them because they were removed from the mainland. |
I know some mammoths and bison were froxen in the ice in Alaska.
Hm... Let me see if I can find anything on 'Blue Babe'.
Blue BabeI know it's not a dino, but it's an intresting story. I've seen it before. It was kinda cool.
They've also found T-rex bones on one of the islands odd Alaska's panhandle. I remember reading that they think that dinos may have been warm blooded because of that.
I read that in the Daily news Miner durring the summer... I can't remember if they put the article on line though...
Blood Angel
Jan 26 2004, 11:35 AM
I doubt very much single creatures could survive, you would need a large community of "creatures" to keep the species alive. Therefore it would be much more likely that we would see more of these things rather than a few hazy recollections. (and something as big as a dino saur can't be that hard to miss surely?)
buggyelfmaiden
Jan 26 2004, 11:40 AM
some of the islands on the panhandle are kinda out there. You're lucky to see people every three or four months and that's only in fishing season.
Heard a story once about a Japanese soldier that got stranded on one for six years durring WWII. No idea if it was true though.
And I remember hearing not all dinos were huge. Some were only the size of a chicken. Those could hide in the brush.
Blood Angel
Jan 26 2004, 11:54 AM
| QUOTE |
And I remember hearing not all dinos were huge. Some were only the size of a chicken. Those could hide in the brush.
|
*was referring to the cryptids in question*
o_o;;
buggyelfmaiden
Jan 26 2004, 11:57 AM
sowwy.
*Giggles* Time for more coffee... or a nap.
mowo
Jan 26 2004, 12:47 PM

Arent birds descended from dinosaurs? Ostriches and emus look like feathered dinosaurs. (Oh yes, Jurassic park, thats where I got it from!)
I think that however the dinosaurs were wiped out, only the flying pterosaurs survived. And the larger ones became ground dwelling with the sudden decline in predators.
This is why I think that the 'Thunderbird' story is one of the most plausible of the extinct cryptids. As it cant have been that long ago ostriches could actually fly.
man_in_mudboots
Jan 26 2004, 03:24 PM
| QUOTE (mowo @ Jan 26 2004, 11:47 AM) |
| Arent birds descended from dinosaurs? |
absolutly.
ambyglam
Jan 26 2004, 03:28 PM
i know of one which is pure fact!
the tuatara, it has been living on earth for about 200 million years!
around 60 million years ago they became extinct everywhere except new zealand.
and the best bit is that they have a third eye which baffles scientists as they cannot relate the exact function of it.
scientists call these creatures living fossils, so they fall into the catagory of dinosaurs even though they are still around.
man_in_mudboots
Jan 26 2004, 08:19 PM
| QUOTE (ambyglam1 @ Jan 26 2004, 02:28 PM) |
and the best bit is that they [tuataras] have a third eye which baffles scientists as they cannot relate the exact function of it. scientists call these creatures living fossils, so they fall into the catagory of dinosaurs even though they are still around. |
third eye??????
and, no they do not fall into the dinosaur category. no where near.
ambyglam
Jan 26 2004, 08:35 PM
why not?
they have been around that long and they are not lizards they fall into a completely different catagory!
man_in_mudboots
Jan 26 2004, 08:44 PM
| QUOTE (ambyglam1 @ Jan 26 2004, 07:35 PM) |
why not? they have been around that long and they are not lizards; they fall into a completely different catagory! |
of course they are lizards, what else do you think they could be?
all dinosaurs have:
erect gaits (not spraweled like a lizard)
pivoting wrists with 2 extra bones (instead of hinge wrists)
antorbital fenestra (a hole in their skull lizards dont have)
different skull/vertebral collum connections than lizards
different maxilla, dentary, and pubis bones than lizards
lizards have none of these, there fore are not dinosaurs. how long they have been around has absolutly no bearing on their classification. as for third eyes, beats me!!

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sorry if i bicker, but it agrivates me when people talk like they know something they dont.
wcturnersr
Jan 26 2004, 08:47 PM
Ambyglam1 is right, they are living fossils but they are not a dinosaur. We can't consider it a cryptic since we know it does exist. The url below gives a full description of the Tuatara.
Tuatara
man_in_mudboots
Jan 26 2004, 08:55 PM
| QUOTE (wcturnersr @ Jan 26 2004, 07:47 PM) |
| Ambyglam1 is right, they are living fossils but they are not a dinosaur. We can't consider it a cryptid since we know it does exist. |
its an pretty interesting critter, though.
ambyglam
Jan 27 2004, 01:28 AM
however, if u said to most people, do u think that a three eyed dinosaur is living on the earth, i think they would say no!
i think more people have heard of the loch ness monster than tautara!
the book i have states that they are NOT lizards that they are a completely different type of species all together, and that there are two species.
so u cant go round saying that thay are something that they are not, it really aggrivates me when people talk like they know something they dont! lol
maybe the hole in dino skulls is where they had a third eye?
mowo
Jan 27 2004, 08:37 AM
Dont know if its got anything to do with anything, but....
triops and sea monkeys have three eyes! They are supposed to have been around since dinosaur times. Sea monkeys have one central eye at birth, then as they mature, two more grow either side and the middle one drops out!
I love my triops and sea monkeys, theyre cool
man_in_mudboots
Jan 27 2004, 08:31 PM
| QUOTE (ambyglam1 @ Jan 27 2004, 12:28 AM) |
the book i have states that they are NOT lizards that they are a completely different type of species all together, and that there are two species. ~*~ maybe the hole in dino skulls is where they had a third eye? |
different type of species? of course they are a different species! every living thing on earth is a different type of species! that whats seperates them from every other lizard on earth!
~*~
no, there are only two holes in the skull that have a link to the orbital lobe, which are the orbital fenestras. in other words, only the two eye sockets have tubes to the seeing part of the brain, or any other part of the brain for that matter.
man_in_mudboots
Jan 27 2004, 08:33 PM
| QUOTE (ambyglam1 @ Jan 27 2004, 12:28 AM) |
| so u cant go round saying that thay are something that they are not, it really aggrivates me when people talk like they know something they dont! lol! |
OK, some of my own medicine!
ambyglam
Jan 28 2004, 02:37 AM
but remember, 'just a spoon full of sugar helps the medicine go down!'
man_in_mudboots
Jan 28 2004, 11:16 PM
| QUOTE (ambyglam1 @ Jan 28 2004, 01:37 AM) |
| but remember, 'just a spoon full of sugar helps the medicine go down!' |

when im given medicine, most of the time sugar doesnt acompany it.
man_in_mudboots
Feb 8 2004, 03:38 PM
Since the early 1980's several scientific expeditions have searched for conclusive evidence that the mokele mbembe really exists. One investigator, Roy Mackal, a professor of zoology at Chicago University, took teams to the Congo in 1980 and 1981 to search for the elusive creature. Although they failed to encounter the beast, they collected important anecdotal evidence, including information on its primary food source, a type of vine. In 1985 and 1992 British explorer Bill Gibbons added further local reports to the ever growing dossier. Mokele - mbembe may not be the only living dinosaur inhabiting the Congo. One is a Triceratops like monster called emela ntouka.
The other is mbielu mbielu mbielu, a bizarre creature described as having planks growing out of its back, which the pygmies identify with
Stegosaurus. Could some dinosaurs have defied evolution and still be living in the Congolese swamplands? Only future explorations will tell. But it is hard to discount these myths out of hand, especially when stories of cryptozoological creatures come from all over the planet.
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