Unexplained Mysteries Discussion Forums > please explain your view

Shadow_Hill

May 29 2007, 05:05 PM

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So, the only uncertainty from your perspective is the fact that I am not going to die right this moment... I have room for improvement and a change of faith. How very gratious of you, to allow for the possibility that I might not always be damned.
Excuse me? Can't I argue with that? Really? Says who?

What do you know about what I do and don't understand? Not so long ago you had no idea what a Deist is, and you most certainly don't know me, so how do you reach the conclusion that I don't understand?
I beg your pardon? I can't judge the Christian god - for whom there is no proof of existence - without having proof that he murdered the first born of Egypt and countless others? How does that make sense?

And why are those things necessary?

im sorry that you dont like what i believe. this isnt a personal attack on you.

Who said it was? And to set the record straight... I don't care what you believe, as long as your belief does not encompass me and your rules are not applied to me.

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you have yet to acknowledge one virtuous aspect of christianity.

Why do I have to acknowledge one virtuous aspect of Christianity? I wasn't asked to... and it's not a prerequisite when posting that I point out something good about believing in something I don't believe in.

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now, if you dont even believe in god, how can you make a decision about his personality?

Well, there's that small thing called the bible... the thing which documents god's character and actions. That kind of gives the game away.
But let's not forget that your question was hypothetical... I don't believe in your god. If you considered me able to conjure him up enough to answer your original question, how can you now say I'm not qualified to judge his character?

And besides, doesn't your god judge man? Aren't I going to hell if I don't alter my belief system? Aren't we all sinners from your god's perspective? Well, there are a few of my reasons for not kneeling before him. I'm not sure I even need to know more.

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i didnt say you didnt understand the technicallities of christianity, but you dont understand my personal relationship with god. and thats what makes it real for me.

We weren't talking about your personal relationship with god. You asked a question, we answered, and now we're supposed to modify our responses so they're pleasing to you and not "harsh" or apparently angry.

What has your personal relationship with anybody got to do with your original question?

Skim Milky

May 29 2007, 05:15 PM

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im sorry that you dont like what i believe. this isnt a personal attack on you.
Who said it was? And to set the record straight... I don't care what you believe, as long as your belief does not encompass me and your rules are not applied to me.
Why do I have to acknowledge one virtuous aspect of Christianity? I wasn't asked to... and it's not a prerequisite when posting that I point out something good about believing in something I don't believe in.

Well, there's that small thing called the bible... the thing which documents god's character and actions. That kind of gives the game away.
But let's not forget that your question was hypothetical... I don't believe in your god. If you considered me able to conjure him up enough to answer your original question, how can you now say I'm not qualified to judge his character?

And besides, doesn't your god judge man? Aren't I going to hell if I don't alter my belief system? Aren't we all sinners from your god's perspective? Well, there are a few of my reasons for not kneeling before him. I'm not sure I even need to know more.
We weren't talking about your personal relationship with god. You asked a question, we answered, and now we're supposed to modify our responses so they're pleasing to you and not "harsh" or apparently angry.

What has your personal relationship with anybody got to do with your original question?

your tone is that, because of my belief, theres something wrong with me. you have a negative tone toward my belief that i dont appreciate. i never said "please believe what i believe". i told you my point of view. you dont like it. my personal belief pertains to everything around me.

if you believe what i believe, then you believe that god has the right to judge the life that he gave. i asked a question, you responded, i disagreed, and you attacked my viewpoint which is based on the christian way of life.

if i said that "you dont understand', it was refering to something that i feel, that you do not. its not physical, so i know theres no way to pursuade you. bottom line is if you felt the feelings i felt, you wouldnt believe what you believe. you dont understand because you dont feel what i feel.

Tangerine Sheri

May 29 2007, 05:16 PM

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im sorry that you dont like what i believe. this isnt a personal attack on you.
Who said it was? And to set the record straight... I don't care what you believe, as long as your belief does not encompass me and your rules are not applied to me.
Why do I have to acknowledge one virtuous aspect of Christianity? I wasn't asked to... and it's not a prerequisite when posting that I point out something good about believing in something I don't believe in.

Well, there's that small thing called the bible... the thing which documents god's character and actions. That kind of gives the game away.
But let's not forget that your question was hypothetical... I don't believe in your god. If you considered me able to conjure him up enough to answer your original question, how can you now say I'm not qualified to judge his character?

And besides, doesn't your god judge man? Aren't I going to hell if I don't alter my belief system? Aren't we all sinners from your god's perspective? Well, there are a few of my reasons for not kneeling before him. I'm not sure I even need to know more.
We weren't talking about your personal relationship with god. You asked a question, we answered, and now we're supposed to modify our responses so they're pleasing to you and not "harsh" or apparently angry.

What has your personal relationship with anybody got to do with your original question?

great post S. It would seem this is asked of us alot, whats the big threat i wonder i beleive it to be if one really looked they may have to alter something ...bleifs maybe ... as one would see the absurdity...... This is why denial works real well.....

Pandora7321

May 29 2007, 05:28 PM

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the point of the bible isnt toscare you into doing what it says. there is actually very little said of hell in the bible. god never commanded evil things be done to people. not the christian god anyways. people tend to do things and say "god made me do it", but thats as far as it goes.

Am I reading these wrong?

(Jer. 13:14) - I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy." "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling."

(Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT) - "Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told."

(Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT) - Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.

Shadow_Hill

May 29 2007, 05:29 PM

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your tone is that, because of my belief, theres something wrong with me. you have a negative tone toward my belief that i dont appreciate. i never said "please believe what i believe". i told you my point of view. you dont like it. my personal belief pertains to everything around me.

You asked a hypothetical question, and in order for me to answer any question regarding your god I must "pretend" because he does not exist for me. My honest answers have been viewed by you as an attack on your personal belief system, and you don't appreciate it very much. Well, you asked.

If you didn't want us to be completely honest then maybe you should have asked "what would you do if proof existed for the existence of god... and please be nice about it and don't say anything nasty about my god because it will hurt my feelings"

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if you believe what i believe, then you believe that god has the right to judge the life that he gave. i asked a question, you responded, i disagreed, and you attacked my viewpoint which is based on the christian way of life.

if i said that "you dont understand', it was refering to something that i feel, that you do not. its not physical, so i know theres no way to pursuade you. bottom line is if you felt the feelings i felt, you wouldnt believe what you believe. you dont understand because you dont feel what i feel.

You asked that we pretend. That's all I am able to do because your god does not exist for me. I don't need to "understand" your personal relationship to know that your god judges, punishes, is angry, and jealous, and is flawed for those very reasons. And this is why proof of his existence would not make me follow him or alter my life.

mako

May 29 2007, 05:42 PM

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lol the acts of those dead men have no bearing on my life. i wont feel guilty for something i had nothing to do with.

Just as those poor innocent Midianite women children doomed to a life of sex slavery didn’t feels guilty for something they had nothing to do with….once again, just as your god visits the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, as a Christian you are burdened with the evils visited upon the world by the Christians of the past and present.

Beckys_Mom

May 29 2007, 08:22 PM

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lol the acts of those dead men have no bearing on my life. i wont feel guilty for something i had nothing to do with.

Who says you should feel guilty?? no one should feel guilty for things that happened long ago...especially if you have had nothing to do with it

Like the Jewish people...when people hurt them for what they believed was done on to Jesus...it had sweet FA to do with modern day Jews, but tell that to those that unleashed hell