MOSCOW, Russia (Reuters) -- Russian police detained gay protesters calling for the right to hold a Gay Pride parade in central Moscow on Sunday while nationalists shouting "death to homosexuals" punched and kicked the demonstrators.

Riot police detained gay rights activists as they tried to present a petition asking Moscow Mayor Yuri Luzhkov, who has called gay marches satanic acts, to lift a ban on the parade.

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I just love it when people follow the bible...

It's the context! Hate isn't hate when it's gods ordinance that asks one to obey, rather than think. Gays are an abomination. But god made everything and is all that exists, so says god. So to call gays satanic is to satanize god. Which is well and good because humans have created that image in their likeness ever since they abdicated responsibility for being hateful, to some other force outside their control. That exists to tempt them, while they live the illusion they have a choice existing within the realm of omniscient omnipresence.

God gets such a bad rap, for what hate fills up in people, that let it out in the name of the faith that makes them do it, because they believe it's what the faith is all about. Discrimination, is an example of moral civility.

I just think it's a riot to read of a Russian leader blames a christian myth for the behavior of Russian citizens. Ahhh Haaaa! Sorry, it's just the humor after that lift of the communist hammer and sickle, that so many say was perpetuated by the compulsion to spread....Atheism! Damn! Thank god that iron curtain fell and glasnost was born, huh!?

Hey, sarcasm doesn't come across well over the internet.
I love it when people read enough books other than the bible, to realize that the bible's not special at all and is terribly over-hyped.
I'm not a sarcastic person.

Disturbing article.

Just lovely.

Anyone who thinks that way must be seriously hiding their own homosexuality; I can't think of any other reason to be so worked up about what another person may do in their own bedroom. What a jerk.

And isn't that the whole issue in a nutshell? Obsession with other peoples private sex?!
And the question was once posed in these forums. Leaving the religious objections out of it, what reason is there to discriminate against individuals because of their private consensual sex lives!? If I remember correctly, the question remained unanswered save on the objection to the sex act itself. Which is of no matter to straights, at all. It think it's all pathetic, quite frankly , when someone's sex life is enough to make them targets of violent brutality, verbal slurs and legal discrimination.

^Obviously, violent extremist followers (<yes a particular kind, not an umbrella statement) of Abrahamic religions tend to be closet-perverts who find it so hard to stop wanting something they believe is forbidden, that they wish to destroy the thing they want.

(the above was partially a joke, but in some cases probably true)

Insane....

thats all Im saying

there is alot of truth to that. when one is secure in their own sexuality it doesn't bother them. but I still like the way Quentin Crisp put it

people dislike homosexuality because they can't help concentrating on what homosexual men do to one another. And when you contemplate what people do, you think of yourself doing it. ... That's the famous joke "I don't like peas, and I'm glad I don't like them, because if I liked them, I would eat them, and I hate them." — Quentin Crisp

although when I think of gay men I don't think of them at all about having sex - I see my house decorated nicely an my property values going up.

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( one of the perks of having gays move into your neighborhood is that it becomes fashionable like a neighborhood near here. Fashionable Ferndale they nicknamed it . 30,000. homes 15 years ago suddenly started going for 100,000+ when gay people were moving in in droves.)

Well this is relatively tamed compared to what i expect to be happening within a few years, Mass public executions anyone? Russia is only leading the way, Dont think your country isnt following.

Our country has it's bigot idiots just as Russia does. The Fred Phelps seed , being one of the most ardent hate mongering anti-christian examples in the country. However, I dare say mass public executions will never happen in this country, for the "offense" of being gay. And I think it's irresponsible to imply it possible, when we are gaining ground legally, through legislation, to overcome the bigots that declare America is for straight christians, only, as they rally and say as much when they say a certain sector of American community are not qualified to be free and equal citizens because of how they have sex.

Not that fundamentalist zealots wouldn't agree public executions of gays would be gods will. In fact, in the last century two conservative candidates , one a minister, attempted to run for office on the promised , if they were elected , they would do everything in their Presidential power to make unrepentant homosexuality a death penalty offense! (Abortion as well) They were defeated, thank justice.

However, in the 2004 elections, if the numbers are to be believed, that mindset provided 80% of the vote to the re-election of George W. Bush, that has sworn to Amend the Federal Constitution declaring straight marriage is the only legally Federally recognized institution of marriage. In effect, rescinding the equal protection clause of the Constitution, and declaring by law, that the gay community is not qualified to be free American citizens, nor are they entitled to civil rights. So, there is a serious concern for homeland terrorism, in America. They're called the christian Taliban. Their banner is the cross, their weapon is the bible, and their intent is to declare their god is a bigot, and not all people are created equal because , the one thing that precludes loving thy neighbor as thy self, is the obsessive compulsion that compells some faithful to eliminate gays from community, because they simply can't get past the obsession that they're sexual, human beings. While many in the gay community see them as repressed homosexuals that believe worshiping hate is the way to heaven.

They're wrong!

i watched it on the news last night, and the police had to get the activists out of there, the activists were not only russian a couple of english , 1 english singer Fred Fairbrass from the band Right said Fred. ( im too sexy for my shorts ). were punched, spat, an even watching the little old lady attacking them was sad. of courst the nazis were there also.
Maybe you should not go to another persons country an tell them what to do. But of course gay people are entitled to the same rights as anyone else. pity they have to endure this to try get thier rights.

It's the way of it. In this free country, everyone that declares themselves a free citizen today had to fight for it. Because at the inception of this countries policies on freedom and liberty, it was not intended for all the people. It was intended to apply to only a select few of the people. And the reasons for that were the same as is propagated today by vocal ardent supporters of inequality and citizen oppression. God, the bible, morality. One can always tell what god looks like to those that believe in it, by what they declare is sacred and inspired script, that heralds hate from heaven. The god of the bigots is actually satan. And they are it's minions.

They don't see it that way though. Those aredent sponsors of hate and separatism. They didn't see it when the smoke curled from crisp bodies during the inquisition and crusades. They don't see it when babies crawl in the dirt and die, as emaciated tiny skeletons today in Darfur. They don't see it in the ethnic cleansing in Kosovo. Instead they worship it, build unto it's spirit temples, calling others to gather there and praise the condition outside the door. But righteousness, true righteousness, prevails often enough. And that really pisses them off. It prevails when women were given equal status as citizens in this patriarchal ruled country at the time. It prevailed when blacks were freed from slavery and received the right to vote for their collective futures, before women were. It prevailed when segregation in schools was rescinded. It prevailed in 1994 when witches were afforded the protection of the first Amendment. And it will prevail when gays are made equal in the eyes of the law, so that it can truly be a boast of the ages, that America is a free country. Because as it stands now, it is not, because it's gay citizens are not free from legal oppression and that is , quite frankly, illegal in a representative democracy. However, it is representative of an implied theocracy. And that is a terrorism that can never be allowed to take hold in this country. Because the history of such policy is intolerance and slaughter, in the name of a higher power that commands blood sacrifice and oppression. And it would be redundant to let that gain ground here, when we're said to be fighting that mentality in other countries, because it's uncivilized.

I can tell you for sure that in NO PLACE on the planet will gays be executed for being gay, and if it starts somewhere it will end soon. The world is slowly but surely beginning to accept gays. If anyone is going to be massively executed it will be the Christians.

Wasn't there a public hanging in iran just months ago for 2 young men who were gay?

It has been going on for far longer than any of us have been around and continues today.

Well, Rusia its taking a huge turn to conservadurism. But the worst example is Poland. There the hipocrisy have reached alarming rates. The twin leaders of Poland are what in Argentina we call "candle suckers" (chupacirios), in reference to the wax candles used in Catholic mass.

Christianity is the most populace faith on the planet. Projecting the victim, does the faith no good service when what is in question in this article is the conduct of those calling themselves religious, as they speak of separatism from their brothers and sisters, because love is conditional in the eyes of the god that compells them to action, or so they believe.

I believe it will happen simply because it is prophesied. Eventually the powers will shift. Religion will be done away with, and it's inherents will be persecuted.

yes, that is another extremist view now isn't it K?...... a pretty violent one at that .... unfortunately there are some of those extremist branches of Christianity here in the states.....anyone see the Howard Stern E show that featured a family that raised their kids to believe "god hates fags".......how much credence can this POV be granted?.....B

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipZDG6__Zfc

Well, some theories consider that all time is now. So that that day that is prophesied, is occurring already. The dual or mirror universe theory, if you will. So, perhaps that religion at it's current strength persecutes in the name of faith, is manifesting the dual balance by being itself persecuted for resorting to such measures, as persecution so as to send a message that is claimed to be spiritual in nature.


think conflicts arise when people defend what they believe, as an aspect of who they are. One has to be taught to hold faith in religious mythology. That's why it is said everyone is first born an Atheist. No god. And then, when the lessons begin, instructing what is an acceptable and moral behavior it is hardwired from infancy as the meaning behind the living keeps perpetuating itself in explaining why everything is occurring as it is. The instruction as to what it means to be an individual, living right in a world of diversity, that is outside our control.

And so then the other myth begins. Universal morality. Given the limited consciousness of the human condition, it's a bold boast, surely. However, what one accepts as moral for them, is what judges all the worlds people, in direct comparison. We are what we know. And for some, others not believing as they do is threatening. Because their living that standard, even if not in a preaching or proselytizing mode, is the example of what that faith means to them. And they then enter the world, bearing that point of view. So someone secure in who they are, aren't threatened by others living as they see fit. And trespass, well that's not necessarily a matter of morality, but a matter of personal sovereignty. No one has a right to take their life and tell me I need comply to it's standards and practice.
I respect someone's faith in jesus. I do not respect their believing I need to hear of him, so as to be better for it, because I am judged to be lacking, without it, now.

Have you heard about jesus?
I don't care about jesus. And if that's all you know how to say, introducing yourself to this stranger, please! Keep walking anonymously by me.

People praise their faith as being tolerant and providing the backbone for freedom. But often I've found that many that think that believe in the construct only in so much as the world view is in keeping with their personal comfort level.

So, in effect it's a , you are entitled to be free as long as I can handle it. It's why this article found a reason to see print. Straight christians viciously, violently opposed to gays living their life. Because, in a straight personal opinion, that can not be allowed, in jesus name.