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Adam and Eve in the Land of the Dinosaurs
By EDWARD ROTHSTEIN
New York Times
Published: May 24, 2007

PETERSBURG, Ky. —
The entrance gates here are topped with metallic Stegosauruses. The grounds include a giant tyrannosaur standing amid the trees, and a stone-lined lobby sports varied sauropods. It could be like any other natural history museum, luring families with the promise of immense fossils and dinosaur adventures.

But step a little farther into the entrance hall, and you come upon a pastoral scene undreamt of by any natural history museum. Two prehistoric children play near a burbling waterfall, thoroughly at home in the natural world. Dinosaurs cavort nearby, their animatronic mechanisms turning them into alluring companions, their gaping mouths seeming not threatening, but almost welcoming, as an Apatosaurus munches on leaves a few yards away.

What is this, then? A reproduction of a childhood fantasy in which dinosaurs are friends of inquisitive youngsters? The kind of fantasy that doesn’t care that human beings and these prefossilized thunder-lizards are usually thought to have been separated by millions of years? No, this really is meant to be more like one of those literal dioramas of the traditional natural history museum, an imagining of a real habitat, with plant life and landscape reproduced in meticulous detail.

For here at the $27 million Creation Museum, which opens on May 28 (just a short drive from the Cincinnati-Northern Kentucky International Airport), this pastoral scene is a glimpse of the world just after the expulsion from the Garden of Eden, in which dinosaurs are still apparently as herbivorous as humans, and all are enjoying a little calm in the days after the fall.

It also serves as a vivid introduction to the sheer weirdness and daring of this museum created by the Answers in Genesis ministry that combines displays of extraordinary nautilus shell fossils and biblical tableaus, celebrations of natural wonders and allusions to human sin. Evolution gets its continual comeuppance, while biblical revelations are treated as gospel.

Outside the museum scientists may assert that the universe is billions of years old, that fossils are the remains of animals living hundreds of millions of years ago, and that life’s diversity is the result of evolution by natural selection. But inside the museum the Earth is barely 6,000 years old, dinosaurs were created on the sixth day, and Jesus is the savior who will one day repair the trauma of man’s fall.

It is a measure of the museum’s daring that dinosaurs and fossils — once considered major challenges to belief in the Bible’s creation story — are here so central, appearing not as tests of faith, as one religious authority once surmised, but as creatures no different from the giraffes and cats that still walk the earth. Fossils, the museum teaches, are no older than Noah’s flood; in fact dinosaurs were on the ark.

So dinosaur skeletons and brightly colored mineral crystals and images of the Grand Canyon are here, as are life-size dioramas showing paleontologists digging in mock earth, Moses and Paul teaching their doctrines, Martin Luther chastising the church to return to Scripture, Adam and Eve guiltily standing near skinned animals, covering their nakedness, and a supposedly full-size reproduction of a section of Noah’s ark.

There are 52 videos in the museum, one showing how the transformations wrought by the eruption of Mount St. Helens in 1980 reveal how plausible it is that the waters of Noah’s flood could have carved out the Grand Canyon within days. There is a special-effects theater complete with vibrating seats meant to evoke the flood, and a planetarium paying tribute to God’s glory while exploring the nature of galaxies.

Whether you are willing to grant the premises of this museum almost becomes irrelevant as you are drawn into its mixture of spectacle and narrative. Its 60,000 square feet of exhibits are often stunningly designed by Patrick Marsh, who, like the entire museum staff, declares adherence to the ministry’s views; he evidently also knows the lure of secular sensations, since he designed the “Jaws” and “King Kong” attractions at Universal Studios in Florida.

For the skeptic the wonder is at a strange universe shaped by elaborate arguments, strong convictions and intermittent invocations of scientific principle. For the believer, it seems, this museum provides a kind of relief: Finally the world is being shown as it really is, without the distortions of secularism and natural selection.

The Creation Museum actually stands the natural history museum on its head. Natural history museums developed out of the Enlightenment: encyclopedic collections of natural objects were made subject to ever more searching forms of inquiry and organization. The natural history museum gave order to the natural world, taming its seeming chaos with the principles of human reason. And Darwin’s theory — which gave life a compelling order in time as well as space — became central to its purpose. Put on display was the prehistory of civilization, seeming to allude not just to the evolution of species but also cultures (which is why “primitive” cultures were long part of its domain). The natural history museum is a hall of human origins.

The Creation Museum has a similar interest in dramatizing origins, but sees natural history as divine history. And now that many museums have also become temples to various American ethnic and sociological groups, why not a museum for the millions who believe that the Earth is less than 6,000 years old and was created in six days?

Mark Looy, a founder of Answers in Genesis with its president, Ken Ham, said the ministry expected perhaps 250,000 visitors during the museum’s first year. In preparation Mr. Ham for 13 years has been overseeing 350 seminars annually about the truths of Genesis, which have been drawing thousands of acolytes. The organization’s magazine has 50,000 subscribers. The museum also says that it has 9,000 charter members and international contributors who have left the institution free of debt.

But for a visitor steeped in the scientific world view, the impact of the museum is a disorienting mix of faith and reason, the exotic and the familiar. Nature here is not “red in tooth and claw,” as Tennyson asserted. In fact at first it seems almost as genteel as Eden’s dinosaurs. We learn that chameleons, for example, change colors not because that serves as a survival mechanism, but “to ‘talk’ to other chameleons, to show off their mood, and to adjust to heat and light.”

Meanwhile a remarkable fossil of a perch devouring a herring found in Wyoming offers “silent testimony to God’s worldwide judgment,” not because it shows a predator and prey, but because the two perished — somehow getting preserved in stone — during Noah’s flood. Nearly all fossils, the museum asserts, are relics of that divine retribution.

The heart of the museum is a series of catastrophes. The main one is the fall, with Adam and Eve eating of the tree of knowledge; after that tableau the viewer descends from the brightness of Eden into genuinely creepy cement hallways of urban slums. Photographs show the pain of war, childbirth, death — the wages of primal sin. Then come the biblical accounts of the fallen world, leading up to Noah’s ark and the flood, the source of all significant geological phenomena.

The other catastrophe, in the museum’s view, is of more recent vintage: the abandonment of the Bible by church figures who began to treat the story of creation as if it were merely metaphorical, and by Enlightenment philosophers, who chipped away at biblical authority. The ministry believes this is a slippery slope.

Start accepting evolution or an ancient Earth, and the result is like the giant wrecking ball, labeled “Millions of Years,” that is shown smashing the ground at the foundation of a church, the cracks reaching across the gallery to a model of a home in which videos demonstrate the imminence of moral dissolution. A teenager is shown sitting at a computer; he is, we are told, looking at pornography.

But given the museum’s unwavering insistence on belief in the literal truth of biblical accounts, it is strange that so much energy is put into demonstrating their scientific coherence with discussions of erosion or interstellar space. Are such justifications required to convince the skeptical or reassure the believer?

In the museum’s portrayal, creationists and secularists view the same facts, but come up with differing interpretations, perhaps the way Ptolemaic astronomers in the 16th century saw the Earth at the center of the universe, where Copernicans began to place the sun. But one problem is that scientific activity presumes that the material world is organized according to unchanging laws, while biblical fundamentalism presumes that those laws are themselves subject to disruption and miracle. Is not that a slippery slope as well, even affecting these analyses?

But for debates, a visitor goes elsewhere. The Creation Museum offers an alternate world that has its fascinations, even for a skeptic wary of the effect of so many unanswered assertions. He leaves feeling a bit like Adam emerging from Eden, all the world before him, freshly amazed at its strangeness and extravagant peculiarities.

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A dinosaur in Eden at a museum opening in Petersburg, Ky.
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Visitors walk past the Noah's Ark exhibit at the Creation Museum in Petersburg, Ky. The museum is expected to open to the public on May 28.
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An artist created a primal cat for the Garden of Eden exhibit at the Creation Museum. Designed by a former Universal Studios exhibit director, this state-of-the-art, 60,000-square-foot museum intends to demonstrate the Bible’s authority in all matters, including science.
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John Volck paints the head of a sculpture in the Babylon exhibit at the Creation Museum.
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Laura Spence paints next to a mechanical Utahraptor. The museum has over 50 exotic animals, life-sized models of humans and dinosaur animatronics, and a special-effects theater.
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The museum is meant to be more of an imagining of a real habitat, with plant life and landscape reproduced in meticulous detail.
Arthur Vandolay
This makes me cry.

Of course we have known for a long time that dinosaurs and humans lived together. Fred and Wilma Flintstone, they lived a ways away from Adam and Eve Moabite (hows that for a reference grin2.gif )
Guardsman Bass
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There is a special-effects theater complete with vibrating seats meant to evoke the flood, and a planetarium paying tribute to God’s glory while exploring the nature of galaxies.


If anything can show the "equal time" movement in Creation "Science" and "Intelligent Design" for the garbage that it is, this is it. They don't apparently have a problem showing the scientifically discovered nature of galaxies as they are, but mention evolution, and suddenly it's a no go.
Lt_Ripley
talk about taking a step back wards. how sad.

are they going to include unicorns and talking donkeys? they both exist in the bible.

are these the same kind of christians who say they don't follow the OT when you point out rules about them yet believe in the genesis creation story ? or say a story or verse isn't to be taken literally ? like stoning adulterers ? or where it says god is the author of evil ? I guess the sun really does revolve around the earth and the earth is flat.
GoddessWhispers
Now there's a visual. Adam and Eve in the paradise garden, ducking a Tyrannosaur, on their way to that tree.

"And god said, let there be light...." linked-image "And then god made the Brontosaurus, and the T-Rex, the Stegosaurus and Mastodon. And looking about the glory of his creation he realized, the grease spot formerly known as Adam, needed a bit of retooling, after Eve, the Mammoth decides to move her left foot."


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RadicalGnostic
Good Lord, what will they think of next?
draconic chronicler
QUOTE(GoddessWhispers @ May 28 2007, 11:22 PM) [snapback]1698470[/snapback]
Now there's a visual. Adam and Eve in the paradise garden, ducking a Tyrannosaur, on their way to that tree.

"And god said, let there be light...." linked-image "And then god made the Brontosaurus, and the T-Rex, the Stegosaurus and Mastodon. And looking about the glory of his creation he realized, the grease spot formerly known as Adam, needed a bit of retooling, after Eve, the Mammoth decides to move her left foot."
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But they don't have to "duck" the Tyrannosaur, becasue according to their interprtation of the Bible, ALL animals are harmless plant eaters and everything is luvvy duvvy until the Evil Satan tricks eve..... it is only then that some animals start growing deadly chompers and start eating each other. Now, how Noah got them on the ark, and kept them fed later on is another story. I think they believe the dinosaurs that lived after the flood (to explain the dragons in the bible since they don't realize they were heavenly creatures imitated from the Sumerian stories), came on the ark as eggs, which Noah could magically determine their sex.

rice
night at the museum 2? grin2.gif
Cradle of Fish
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$27 million


Is it really worth 27 million? They're not going to convince any people that wouldn't have been convinced by their fact bending seminars and books.
Darkwind
50% of Americans believe in creationism That is a big market. I am sure they will eventually make a profit out of it, but not from me.
darkmoonlady
The part that really irks me is (apart from the whole thing in general) is the 6000 year date. First and foremost it IS NOT Biblical. It is an estimate by two 17th Century (no associations between the two) men, one a Bishop the other a clergyman, who using some kind of weird math somehow came up with six thousand years. Here is the hinky part, aside from there being mountans of evidence in the scientific community that make this just plain laughable, there is also Biblical scriptural basis for thinking this is just insane. In the bible it states "a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day" that tells me, based on a 24 hour day which is what these two men did, doesn't even follow the scriptures, yet here we are centuries later and all these evangelicals think its some magic date pulled out of the bible. If they can't follow their own religious text enough to see that it's no wonder they have Adam and Eve hanging out with a T Rex.
GoddessWhispers
QUOTE(draconic chronicler @ May 29 2007, 09:08 PM) [snapback]1698648[/snapback]
But they don't have to "duck" the Tyrannosaur, becasue according to their interprtation of the Bible, ALL animals are harmless plant eaters and everything is luvvy duvvy until the Evil Satan tricks eve..... it is only then that some animals start growing deadly chompers and start eating each other. Now, how Noah got them on the ark, and kept them fed later on is another story. I think they believe the dinosaurs that lived after the flood (to explain the dragons in the bible since they don't realize they were heavenly creatures imitated from the Sumerian stories), came on the ark as eggs, which Noah could magically determine their sex.

blink.gif If that's what the curators of this museum believe, it truly says a great deal to reiterate, faith not only precludes fact, but also logic. Wow! I mean, really. crying.gif
draconic chronicler
QUOTE(GoddessWhispers @ May 29 2007, 05:39 PM) [snapback]1699748[/snapback]
blink.gif If that's what the curators of this museum believe, it truly says a great deal to reiterate, faith not only precludes fact, but also logic. Wow! I mean, really. crying.gif


That's exactly what they believe...... there was no death at all in the world until the so called "original sin". Only then did animals and people eat meat! I'm not making this up, go to any of their websites.

If I am not mistaken, the famous Paleontoloigist Bakker is an evangelical Christian. I'd be curious to learn his take on all of this.
GoddessWhispers
QUOTE(draconic chronicler @ May 30 2007, 11:06 AM) [snapback]1699776[/snapback]
That's exactly what they believe...... there was no death at all in the world until the so called "original sin". Only then did animals and people eat meat! I'm not making this up, go to any of their websites.

If I am not mistaken, the famous Paleontoloigist Bakker is an evangelical Christian. I'd be curious to learn his take on all of this.


I will say that is quite illogical, actually. Original sin, in the domain of omniscient omnipresent omnipotence is one thing, but to believe gods human creation changed all the worlds creatures to become meat eaters and violent, is quite the stretch.

Youl would be referring to Robert T. Bakker, I presume. It's interesting that there is a website dedicated to him but it is virtually devoid of articles, etc... attributed to his research in the matter. I did find this, however which may or may not answer the question of his take on this matter, but it still provides some insight as to who he is, with respect to Dinosaur paleontology.
draconic chronicler
QUOTE(GoddessWhispers @ May 29 2007, 06:27 PM) [snapback]1699803[/snapback]
I will say that is quite illogical, actually. Original sin, in the domain of omniscient omnipresent omnipotence is one thing, but to believe gods human creation changed all the worlds creatures to become meat eaters and violent, is quite the stretch.

Youl would be referring to Robert T. Bakker, I presume. It's interesting that there is a website dedicated to him but it is virtually devoid of articles, etc... attributed to his research in the matter. I did find this, however which may or may not answer the question of his take on this matter, but it still provides some insight as to who he is, with respect to Dinosaur paleontology.


yep, that's the Bakker I am referring to.
Lt_Ripley
maybe adam and eve used dinosaurs to pull carts too like in Land of the Lost

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a 27 million dollar waste. could have built houses or fed the poor.

GoddessWhispers

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Play me tongue.gif Sleeeeeestacks and Chaka! Oh my. It's been ages since I thought of that show. Good call. wink2.gif
draconic chronicler
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maybe adam and eve used dinosaurs to pull carts too like in Land of the Lost

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a 27 million dollar waste. could have built houses or fed the poor.


I'm sure this museum thinks that they did pull carts. I know for a fact that some of the dinosaurs in the museum have saddles so Adam and Eve could ride them like horses.
Sadonis
This is just dumb.


I have a problem with religion all the sudden accepting science. Why? BECAUSE YOU CANT CHANGE YOUR GOD DAMN MIND!

People today say that you cant blame past religious efforts to keep science away on todays religious leaders and followers. The truth is...yes you can. If they say god told them that science is evil, then you cant change your mind.



Adam and Eve DID exist, but only just as much as John and Jane...Doe. A simply name given to a human with an unknown name. original.gif there you go


And Noah's Ark is crap too. Sorry. Really...a 60 year old man rounded up two of every animal after building an ark and survived a terrible flood. Perhaps with God's help? Bleh. original.gif
draconic chronicler
QUOTE(Sadonis @ May 30 2007, 01:15 AM) [snapback]1700349[/snapback]
This is just dumb.
I have a problem with religion all the sudden accepting science. Why? BECAUSE YOU CANT CHANGE YOUR GOD DAMN MIND!

People today say that you cant blame past religious efforts to keep science away on todays religious leaders and followers. The truth is...yes you can. If they say god told them that science is evil, then you cant change your mind.
Adam and Eve DID exist, but only just as much as John and Jane...Doe. A simply name given to a human with an unknown name. original.gif there you go
And Noah's Ark is crap too. Sorry. Really...a 60 year old man rounded up two of every animal after building an ark and survived a terrible flood. Perhaps with God's help? Bleh. original.gif

They're not accepting science, they are finally accepting dinosaurs in the face of overwhelming evidence of their existence.

At one time fundies would simply say that anything that ran against their beliefs "was the work of the devil". Dino fossils were conjured up by the guy with horns, a goatee and wearing red leotards to confuse "good" christians, like everything else they cannot understand.

But now, their younger generation doesn't buy that anymore, and this new idea has been formed that Adam and Eve were "dino riders". Hey, its fun. If you liked dinotopia you'll probably love the fundy Christian version I expect they'll make next.

But the flood story is based on a real event in Sumeria where the Hebrews, or at least their leader Abraham came from. It didn't destroy the whole earth, and the original Noah was just concerned with saving his own herd from drowning for without it he could not survive. But the story became more outlandish with each retelling, until by the time the Hebrews wrote it down it was far more fantastic than it really was. And I say really was, because archaeologists found evidence of it. Not the grand canyon, and the extinction of the dinosaurs, just a thick layer of silt from approximately 5,000 years ago that fits into the Biblical and Sumerian time period the flood was supposed to happen.l
Affliction
Sounds like more of a side show than a museum to me.

I don't even wnat to try and comprehend what the logic behind this must have been...
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