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~HaParash~
QUOTE(__Kratos__ @ Jul 4 2007, 10:55 PM) *
Believers are taking creation stories from the same book that claims that the earth is flat, bats are really birds, that jews cannot eat meat because all the clean animals were killed, says snakes eat dust, says a flood covered the earth, that perhaps when a child is made in goats whatever the parent sees then at the moment is what the kid will have streaks on the coats, camels don't have split hoofs, says hares and conies eat cud, some birds have 4 feet, beetles really have 4 legs, that unicorns existed and that firey serpents existed.

Those items as listed are all false or they simply have no evidence to support them in any fashion.

Now granted this christian kid and the school doesn't apply to all christians because they're simply misinformed but it does point out the very real fact of the bogus science creationists and intelligent design followers are using to try to make gains.

I'm sorry, I had to stop when I read what I have put in bold. The Bible makes no such claim. I am almost certain there's no mention of unicorns, and I'm also almost sure that the 4 feet thing isn't in there. Kratos, as one who has quoted the Bible in an attempt to make it look foolish and in doing so only exploited the fact that you don't actually know that much about the Bible but instead you pick and choose what you will to make us look bad, you would do well to look up these things before making such claims, and please for my sake could you at least quote what you claim is in the book?
__Kratos__
QUOTE(Child-Of-Israel @ Jul 5 2007, 01:03 AM) *
I'm sorry, I had to stop when I read what I have put in bold. The Bible makes no such claim. I am almost certain there's no mention of unicorns, and I'm also almost sure that the 4 feet thing isn't in there. Kratos, as one who has quoted the Bible in an attempt to make it look foolish and in doing so only exploited the fact that you don't actually know that much about the Bible but instead you pick and choose what you will to make us look bad, you would do well to look up these things before making such claims, and please for my sake could you at least quote what you claim is in the book?


Flat earth verses: Link

Unicorns:

The translators of the King James Version of the Bible (1611) employed unicorn to translate re'em, providing a recognizable animal that was proverbial for its untamable nature.

Job 39:9-12: Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib? Canst thou bind the unicorn with band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee? Wilt thou trust him, because his strength is great? or wilt thou leave thy labour to him? Wilt thou believe him, that he will bring home thy seed, and gather it into thy barn?

Psalms 29:6: He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn.

Numbers 24:8: ...he hath as it were the strength of a unicorn
Source

4 legs:
Leviticus 11:20-23 " 'All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be detestable to you. There are, however, some winged creatures that walk on all fours that you may eat: those that have jointed legs for hopping on the ground. 22 Of these you may eat any kind of locust, katydid, cricket or grasshopper. But all other winged creatures that have four legs you are to detest.

Source



~HaParash~
QUOTE(__Kratos__ @ Jul 4 2007, 11:18 PM) *
Flat earth verses: Link

Unicorns:

The translators of the King James Version of the Bible (1611) employed unicorn to translate re'em, providing a recognizable animal that was proverbial for its untamable nature.

Job 39:9-12: Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib? Canst thou bind the unicorn with band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee? Wilt thou trust him, because his strength is great? or wilt thou leave thy labour to him? Wilt thou believe him, that he will bring home thy seed, and gather it into thy barn?

Psalms 29:6: He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn.

Numbers 24:8: ...he hath as it were the strength of a unicorn
Source

To my knowledge the King James and the King James Alone is the only translation that use the word unicorn.

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4 legs:
Leviticus 11:20-23 " 'All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be detestable to you. There are, however, some winged creatures that walk on all fours that you may eat: those that have jointed legs for hopping on the ground. 22 Of these you may eat any kind of locust, katydid, cricket or grasshopper. But all other winged creatures that have four legs you are to detest.

Source

Who is to say this is speaking of bird or beetles? For all you know, it could be speaking of something extinct. I used to think of you as a slightly reliable (if not biased) source Kratos, this shows me that my trust was ill placed. As is, it seems you have allowed your bias, and your zeal to disprove Christianity cloud your better judgment. You have made an absolute claim about something that is speculative. If I did that, you'd laugh in my face.
triplehelix2000
yeah what a retarded kid. Kids are dumb! <~~~sarcasm

So this kid is wrong? Why? I think its poor form to belittle him without even showing where he is in error or providing a counter proof. Can anyone here actualy show where he is wrong, or are we just playing the bully?
__Kratos__
QUOTE(Child-Of-Israel @ Jul 5 2007, 01:27 AM) *
To my knowledge the King James and the King James Alone is the only translation that use the word unicorn.


But... Unicorns have never existed... Least there is no evidence of their existance.

QUOTE(Child-Of-Israel @ Jul 5 2007, 01:27 AM) *
Who is to say this is speaking of bird or beetles? For all you know, it could be speaking of something extinct. I used to think of you as a slightly reliable (if not biased) source Kratos, this shows me that my trust was ill placed. As is, it seems you have allowed your bias, and your zeal to disprove Christianity cloud your better judgment. You have made an absolute claim about something that is speculative. If I did that, you'd laugh in my face.


Right here...

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Of these you may eat any kind of locust, katydid, cricket or grasshopper.


Incests do not have 4 legs but the bible is saying those incests do have 4 legs and they are the only 4 legged winged items that can be eaten.

QUOTE(triplehelix2000 @ Jul 5 2007, 01:28 AM) *
So this kid is wrong? Why? I think its poor form to belittle him without even showing where he is in error or providing a counter proof. Can anyone here actualy show where he is wrong, or are we just playing the bully?


Read the article that was posted. It listed the reasons why the kid was wrong to think this proves evolution wrong. thumbsup.gif
~HaParash~
QUOTE(__Kratos__ @ Jul 4 2007, 11:33 PM) *
But... Unicorns have never existed... Least there is no evidence of their existance.

Don't tell me, it would have been better to tell the KJV translators that. Let me tell you something *whispers* The King James isn't the only translation*ends whispering*


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Right here...
Incests do not have 4 legs but the bible is saying those incests do have 4 legs and they are the only 4 legged winged items that can be eaten.

Again, it is only speculative information. It's not confirming or denying anything. Why are you so eager to silence those of us who worship a "baby killer"? Haven't you got anything better to do with your time?
__Kratos__
QUOTE(Child-Of-Israel @ Jul 5 2007, 01:41 AM) *
Don't tell me, it would have been better to tell the KJV translators that. Let me tell you something *whispers* The King James isn't the only translation*ends whispering*


Oh, I know but isn't it curious yet that it's mentioned even at all?

Even then the other translations I'm sure support the rest of my post about false facts.

QUOTE(Child-Of-Israel @ Jul 5 2007, 01:41 AM) *
Again, it is only speculative information. It's not confirming or denying anything. Why are you so eager to silence those of us who worship a "baby killer"? Haven't you got anything better to do with your time?


How is it speculative? huh.gif It's saying plainly that those incests have 4 legs... But reality says differently that those incests have in fact 6 legs.

Why do you care what I do with my time?
triplehelix2000
Hey kratos im not reading an article that pisses on an eight-grader. If you read them and believe them please inform me.
__Kratos__
QUOTE(triplehelix2000 @ Jul 5 2007, 01:48 AM) *
Hey kratos im not reading an article that pisses on an eight-grader. If you read them and believe them please inform me.


It just doesn't debunk the 8th grader but the full grown adults that gave him winning prize for his falsehoods. thumbsup.gif

I do believe the article, if you must know... Though I've made that quite clear already.
~HaParash~
QUOTE(__Kratos__ @ Jul 4 2007, 11:47 PM) *
Oh, I know but isn't it curious yet that it's mentioned even at all?

Even then the other translations I'm sure support the rest of my post about false facts.
How is it speculative? huh.gif It's saying plainly that those incests have 4 legs... But reality says differently that those incests have in fact 6 legs.

Technically all those insects have 4 legs. wink2.gif Like I said, speculative.


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Why do you care what I do with my time?

I'm just wondering why a 20 year old doesn't have anything better to do than to come on an internet forum and try to disprove a religion by twisting the words of that religions holy book to suit his agenda. It concerns me Kratos, because I care. grin2.gif
__Kratos__
QUOTE(Child-Of-Israel @ Jul 5 2007, 01:57 AM) *
Technically all those insects have 4 legs. wink2.gif Like I said, speculative.


Yeah... That's really stretching the truth to keep your own mind happy. Guess I'm done here. rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(Child-Of-Israel @ Jul 5 2007, 01:57 AM) *
I'm just wondering why a 20 year old doesn't have anything better to do than to come on an internet forum and try to disprove a religion by twisting the words of that religions holy book to suit his agenda. It concerns me Kratos, because I care. grin2.gif


Why not? You're so close minded you don't even see what I get out of being on this forum.
Saru
This main discussion of this thread occured back in May before the stricter rules in this section came in to effect, since the post that brought it back in to the limelight is nothing but a personal attack I don't see much justification for leaving this open.
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