i would have to say JESUS...christians being ignorant of history science and archolgeogy really beieve that the jesus story is unique and orginal, they really think its a real history

Hitler's Diary comes to mind.

hitler's diary was exposed as a fake?

What make you think that Christians are ignorant of history science or archaeology (talk about ignorant)?
You've started off rude, and this should probably have been posted in the religion section if your intent was to insult someone.

That being said, I'd have to go with the Russians flaunting their nuclear warhead power, before they had it. That's a pretty big hoax! and a cool one at that.

no it shouldnt have been posted in the religious section because this topic isnt about religion, its about the biggest hoaxes in HISTORY, that could be anything! and your too ignorant to know what ignorant means, the definition of ignorant is "not knowing" nothing more nothing less, if a guy steals cars for a living he's not ignorant, so when i say christians are ignorant of history then i know what im talking about!

MMmm? Then why didn't you just say that the biggest hoax in your opinion was Jesus?
Why did you have to go so far as to say that Christians were ignorant?
That has nothing to do with the hoax.

What does this topic have to do with stealing cars?

Nevermind. I don't want to know.

She knows what Ignorance means ... she pointed out you not knowing how to spell archaeology. So I guess she isn't as ignorant as you think.

I think the biggest hoax, unfortunately as a christian, might be Jesus too. Not as a person, not as a man who may have been one of the wisest of his times, but the stature we all give him. He might have went around helping the sick, or feeding the poor, or even made it seem like he was a miricle worker, but I highly doubt it he made this all appear from thin air. Maybe he was the David Blaine or Chris Angel of his time lol. I guess it's not so much a hoax as it is something over exaggerated.

Hopefully I don't offend any hardcore fellow christians, it's not meant to offend, It's my answer to the OP... I believe, I just have a few doubts.

Continue on fellow posters

Cheers,
Gene

LOL, well obvously you are not looking for a debate on historical hoaxes, you are looking for a fight, well heres one for ya.... Idiot.

Oh bugger this goes both ways. How about Evolution as the biggest hoax?

I think organised religion as a whole has the potential to be the biggest hoax ever, but it will never be exposed as a hoax (if it is one)

My favourite hoax has to be the UK TV programme "Ghostwatch". Watching it as a child was terrifying and I didn't realise it was a hoax until the next day when some of my school friends told me that "Ghost Number 1" was listed in the Actor's credits at the end.

September 11 - sorry to offend anyone but I BELIEVE it was a massive set up by people that dont give a crap about killing citizens to gain an advantage and an excuse.

Well that falls down completely when you consider that:

1) 9/11 was too extreme for what the "powers that be" wanted to achieve. A carbomb outside the white house or the near assassination of the president would have been easily enough to go to war. But kill 2000 people? Thats just ridiculous
2) Think of the amount of people that it would have taken to plan and perfectly execute this operation, and then the SAME government go and make a huge botch job of Iraq? I don't think so.
3) Its a situation that doesn't need a conspiracy theory. All the pieces fit as it is. You're looking for solutions to problems that don't exist.

Back on topic. I also believe the myth of Jesus, no offence, is the biggest hoax, perpetrated by followers like Paul, not neccessarily by modern Christians or the Church.

Have you ever seen Loose Change? Watch that and then see if you still have the same opinion. Im not saying that it definately a conspiracy, but that program/film will certainly raise some questions for you.

I think for me the most interesting bit of information in the program/film was regarding how quickly the buildings actually fell once the started - there was no pause whatsoever. Also, on the videos you could see small flashes/explosions occurring within the building just below the section of building that was breaking up. It seemed like the whole building had been rigged with explosives to help it fall.

Jesus is the easy choice. I personally like the JPK thread here. That was a whooper.

That being said meant that you don't believe Jesus existed.

Personally, I'm not christian but i do believe that Jesus existed. It is very likely that Jesus existed, he was a person, a carpenter, a normal being that wanted to spread his teachings. It is the teachings and the sacrifices he made for his people won the people's heart to worship him for generations and generations. As for christians being ignorant of history and science, that is total non-sense. I'm not christian but I interact with many christians, most of them acknowledge the theory of evolution and outer space planets but they choose to believe the bible because it is their religion and it is that religion that brings them happiness amoung their families, in simple words, the teachings of the bible works for them. So they are not totally ignorant of the advancement of science. As for the history part, i dont get what you are saying. Jesus and him being cruxified is history itself. If you dont believe Jesus existed then you are the one being ignorant of history.

I used to think like you, but Emma Acid really mae some good points. Plus over time, seeing how dumb this admkinistration can be I don't think they could have pulled off something like this.

the only thing you're ignorant about is Christians, there may be some Christians that are ignorant, but i think your statement was offensive and ignorant not only to Christians and what they believe but also to people in this forum who are fair and open minded about people and their beliefs, even if they don't agree with them.

without evidence, reliable eye witnesses, and a populace to convince. What difference does it make. I feel no self gratifacation knowing whether or not JFK was assanated by our government or not. Jesus, dont know, wasn't there. What do we gain in conversing about history,s skeptical events.

This thread is starting to be a hoax about hoaxes. The title is a bit misleading. I was under the impression I'd be reading about proven hoaxes, not speculated ones.

I think that's why she posted it in your request for hoaxes? der.

Do you believe all monotheistic religions to be an hoax? i.e. Mohammed and islam, or is this belief of yours for christians and jesus alone.

I dont belive in hoaxes. I think that what some consider to be were at one time real. I belive that over years that people have turned the truth so much that much of history sounds like a hoax. Yes I belive in JESUS. I belive in U.F.O's and that some people have really seen them,BIG FOOT,MOTHMAN etc. But people have a way of twisting stuff around that they sound false. My personal opinion is that the catholic chruch has taken so much out of the bible and it's tellings of JESUS that it don't make sense. Why not a real MOTHMAN or BIGFOOT? And mybe the goverment did have JFK killed who really know's the truth.?

how bout Bush winning the 2000 election. thats my vote

Moon landings now thier a hoax.

Emma-Acid-88......what's going on???? I AGREE with you.

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On topic....My first thought was the moon landing......but I'm not sure it was a hoax...not 100%...surely they wouldn't

dare to hoax something THAT big...but it was back in the 1960's and scrutiny was a different game then... I do wonder

why there hasn't been a lot more activity regarding the moon if it was, apparently so easy to get there nearly 40

years ago........

it may well have been. no one can say with 100% surety of anything. He may have lived , he may be an allegory.

I tend to think if God wanted to send a sign , a messenger, knowing ahead of time since god is all knowing , that unless that sign was extremely apparent and without doubt to all it would be the basis for war and killing and hate - god wouldn't have sent Jesus or Mohamed ect ....... as they were written or show. now a good question would be how would god show itself to all persons that prove the existence thereof ?

I forgot.....for a minute there.....I think the death of Diana Princess of Wales....was NOT a plain, straight-forward

accident....I do believe it was murder.

.....but then I surpose I should say Kennedy...as well, although I was VERY

young at the time!!!

one of them has to be the 'nessie' photo that that doctor said was his. for years everyone pretty much believed it was true.


this one has to be the funniest , well one of the funniest

As some of you may know there is a census coming around on August the 7th. For those who don’t know, a census is where the government collates general information about it’s residents (number of people living in your house, religion, etc) If there are enough people in Australia, who put down a religion that isn’t mentioned on the census form it becomes a fully recognised and legal religion. It usually takes about 10,000 people to nominate the same religion.
It is for this reason that it has been suggested that anyone who does not have a dominant religion to put "Jedi" as their religion.

Send this on to all your friends and tell them to put down "Jedi" on their census form.

And remember . . . If you are a member of the Jedi religion then you are by default a 'Jedi Knight'.

So If this has been your dream since you were 4 years old . . . Do it cos you love Star Wars, If not . . . then just do it to annoy people.

"May the Force be with you!"

-Christianity.
-Scientology.
-Religion as a whole.
-UFOs-Extra Solar Life-Crop Circles?

Banks - Credit Cards - Tax ... just threw them in for good measure

Religion in general is on the top of list...
Religions are based on faith (almost blindly)

After all its what you believe in and i believe that religions such as Christianity or Buddhism sprouted from a preacher and evolved into a direction they might not have wanted it to go through.

i disagree with you, i think your a christian and you keep saying your not just to say it, the fact of the matter is THE JESUS STORY IS NOT UNIQUE OR ORGINAL, that IS NOT A BELIEF THAT IS A FACT!

i cant say anything about "mohammed' because i havent studied, but i do know the jesus story is a plagarized story from older stories thats not a belief thats a fact, being born in a cave, walking on water, being born to a virgin mother going into town on the donkey none of that stuff is orginal, thats the same story for serveral other figures Horus, Krishna, Mithra, Dionysus, Zoroaster, and others many of whom predate the time he allegendaly lived, same pictures of baby in mothers arms (jesus mary) and everything

What a pathetic thread. 3 pages and only one Hoax, Hitler's diary, has come out.

Jesus existed, therefore he's not a hoax. Religion are based on faith and faith is a personal thing. An Hoax is a fake news. This have nothing to do with religions or beleifs.

Hitler's diary was a huge hoax. Fleischmann-Pons's cold fusion was quite big too.

you must have missed my post about the 'nessie ' photo

and about cold fusion.

Navy scientists claim that slices of CR-39 plastic, like this one, have recorded the passage of atomic particles emitted during successful cold fusion nulcear reactions. Photo by Steven B. Krivit, New Energy TimesNew proof that cold fusion works could fuel additional interest in generating power from low energy nuclear reactions


Cold fusion, the ability to generate nuclear power at room temperatures, has proven to be a highly elusive feat. In fact, it is considered by many experts to be a mere pipe dream -- a potentially unlimited source of clean energy that remains tantalizing, but so far unattainable.

However, a recently published academic paper from the Navy's Space and Naval Warfare Systems Center (SPAWAR) in San Diego throws cold water on skeptics of cold fusion. Appearing in the respected journal Naturwissenschaften, which counts Albert Einstein among its distinguished authors, the article claims that Spawar scientists Stanislaw Szpak and Pamela Mosier-Boss have achieved a low energy nuclear reaction (LENR) that can be replicated and verified by the scientific community.

Cold fusion has gotten the cold shoulder from serious nuclear physicists since 1989, when Stanley Pons and Martin Fleischmann were unable to substantiate their sensational claims that deuterium nuclei could be forced to fuse and release excess energy at room temperature. Spawar researchers apparently kept the faith, however, and continued to refine the procedure by experimenting with new fusionable materials.


Szpak and Boss now claim to have succeeded at last by coating a thin wire with palladium and deuterium, then subjected it to magnetic and electric fields. The researchers have offered plastic films called CR-39 detectors as evidence that charged particles have been emerging from their reaction experiments.

The Spawar method shows promise, particularly in terms of being easily reproduced and verified by other institutions. Such verification is essential to widespread acceptance of the apparent breakthrough and is an important precursor to scientists receiving the necessary funding to fuel additional research in the field.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7168

Indeed pardon me


There is a lot of hoax in the paranormal world but to me it's idiots having fun so I don't give them too much importance. The most famous I think is the alien autopsy film witch was supposed to come from Roswell.


About cold fusion It could be real, but what happended in 1989 was a real blow to the scientific world. It was a huge story in the media all around the world for months while in fact they were'nt ready to publish at all. The main problem was the obvious mistakes in their early papers and the difficulties for others to repeat the experiment. It took pretty much 15 years for people to be convinced, and it's not really what people were thinking while imagining cold fusion.

The backlash probably ended up worst than the mistake done by Fleischmann and others but it will stay as a huge mistake, if not a hoax.

I did'nt know much more than my souvenirs as a 9-10 years old But it's the first thing that came to me while i was searching for an hoax.


From wiki, just to show how fast things can change:

"On April 12, Pons received a standing ovation from about 7,000 chemists at the semi-annual meeting of the American Chemical Society. The University of Utah asked Congress to provide $25 million to pursue the research, and Dr. Pons was scheduled to meet with representatives of President Bush in early May.[51]

On May 1, the American Physical Society held a session on cold fusion that ran past midnight in which a string of failed experiments were reported. A second session started the next day with other negative reports, and 8 of the 9 leading speakers said that they ruled the Utah claim as dead. Dr. Steven E. Koonin of Caltech called the Utah report a result of "the incompetence and delusion of Pons and Fleischmann". The audience of scientists sat in stunned silence for a moment before bursting into applause. Dr. Douglas R. O. Morrison, a physicist representing CERN, called the entire episode an example of pathological science.[52][53]"


EDIT: A lot of fun Hoax can be find in the Hoax section of Wikipedia:

-Idaho, the northwestern US state, was named as the result of a hoax. Lobbyist George M. Willing suggested the name, claiming it was a Native American term meaning "gem of the mountains." It was later discovered that Willing had made up the word himself. As a result, the original Idaho Territory was renamed Colorado. Eventually, the controversy was forgotten and the made-up name stuck.

-Rosie Ruiz finished first in the women's division of the 1980 Boston Marathon by riding the subway to a point near the finish line and jumping back into the race. Her marathon title was revoked when the hoax was discovered.

-In April, 1985, Sports Illustrated ran a profile written by George Plimpton of an amazing new pitching prospect for the New York Mets named Sidd Finch. Finch was a student of yoga ("Sidd" being short for "Siddhartha") who had studied with Tibetan monks to perfect his pitching and claimed to throw a 168 mph fastball. The Mets helped with the initial story but the magazine admitted to the hoax on April 15.

Nothing of great history significance but some fun stuff!

oh yeah my thoughts on the greatest hoax in history...

the death of the greatest rapper TUPAC SHAKUR

i think he is still alive

You know I think I found another one...

The concept of accuracy.

Think about it how can we be 100% sure anything is accurate? Banking fees? History? Stories? Interest?

There is no way to prove things are 100% accurate but we guess and hope that they are...

Christian Terrorist On Trial for Anthrax Hoaxes

While the administration debates treating Muslim terrorists as "enemy combatants" and denying the basic rights afforded to those normally accused of crimes, the trial of a Christian terrorist continues in Pennsylvania. So far, there have been no suggestions to send him to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, or to put him in a military brig. I wonder why?
CNN reports on the case of Clayton Lee Waagner, accused of sending hundreds of letters to women's clinics claiming to contain anthrax:

Waagner, 47, previously had claimed responsibility for the letters, but also suggested it was possible he lied about his involvement to take the pressure off other anti-abortion activists. Waagner already is serving a 30-year jail term for weapons violations, and other charges are pending in several states. He was on the FBI's most wanted list when he was arrested in Ohio in December after 10 months on the run following his escape from an Illinois jail. Interestingly, not all of the places that received Waagner's letters actually provided abortions; at least one is opposed to abortions! Waagner seems to profess to be a member of the "Army of God" extremist group, which would mean that he is an extremist and a terrorist in the name of a religious ideology. If he were a Muslim who sent such letters to Jewish groups in America, I guarantee you that the case would be getting more attention and would be treated differently.


http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/11/23/anthrax.hoax.ap/index.html

i am 100% not Christian believe it or not i dont give a sh!t about it. and i disagree with what you are saying that jesus story is not unique or original. tell me which story of religion out there is unique and original. it is because that the religion of christianity can be passed on to this day.

I dont agree. Consider the people that have made millions of dollars A DAY selling tanks and ammo. Also Irag and Aphganistan aren't so much of a botched job if you look at the millions of dollars of OIL taken out of there every day? Sure soldiers and citizens are dying but what is that compared to an ancient family legacy that stretches back before America was even colonised. May I ask you lil mis acid - Who has benefited the most from Sept 11. Bin Laden? Or Bush???

also do you have any acid - Im hard finding it these days, only a couple of strawberries and some pyramids

The biggest hoax in history ...is ..


edited for coverup..

Back to the Subject , What about Orson Welles and the War Of The World's hoax he pulled off on October 30 1938. The live, 60 minute broadcast,

presented mostly as a series of news bulletins, frightened many listeners into believing that an actual Martian Invasion was in progress. There was public outcry against the episode, but it launched Welles to great fame. Welles's adaptation is possibly the most successful radio(HOAX) dramatic production in history.

Well I think we'll treat that answer with the contempt it deserves.

What’s your point here? Did you find the program boring? I thought it was interesting and made me aware of some issues that I was not aware of before.

oooh, good one! Did Welles mean it to be a hoax or was it innocently broadcast as a radio play that people got horribly wrong? *Tootles off to Google to do a bit of research*

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoax

Orson Welles' Mercury Theatre radio broadcast on October 30, 1938, entitled "The War of the Worlds" has been called the "single greatest media hoax of all time", although it was not — Welles said — intended to be a hoax. The broadcast was heard on CBS radio stations throughout the United States. Despite repeated announcements within the program that it was a work of fiction, many listeners tuning in during the program believed that the world was being attacked by invaders from Mars. (Rumors claim some even committed suicide.) Rebroadcasts in South America also had this effect even to a greater extent.[1] It has also been suggested that the story of the hoax is, in fact, a hoax, or at least a significant exaggeration: that the broadcast did not cause widespread panic

Interesting! Was it innocent, a hoax, or a hoax within a hoax?

orson welles IS a hoax

Explain please?

yeah sorry,i just think that he is well overated,not saying that he wasnt a good man,just overated.Bring on the onslaught....