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Legatus Legionis
QUOTE(Tenkay @ May 30 2007, 07:43 AM) [snapback]1699836[/snapback]
i would have to say JESUS...christians being ignorant of history science and archolgeogy really beieve that the jesus story is unique and orginal, they really think its a real history

not all probably. like me. i'm more off to be a man of science than to be a full believer/follower of Jesus and his 12 Disciples. i only pray to god when even science could not help me. believing that someday it will be answered.
hetrodoxly
QUOTE(Tenkay @ May 31 2007, 05:09 AM) [snapback]1701913[/snapback]
i cant say anything about "mohammed' because i havent studied, but i do know the jesus story is a plagarized story from older stories thats not a belief thats a fact, being born in a cave, walking on water, being born to a virgin mother going into town on the donkey none of that stuff is orginal, thats the same story for serveral other figures Horus, Krishna, Mithra, Dionysus, Zoroaster, and others many of whom predate the time he allegendaly lived, same pictures of baby in mothers arms (jesus mary) and everything



arrr, i asked the wrong question, i assumed you had some knowledge of the Abrahamic religions? You state your revelation as if it's some great secret you've just uncovered, have you read a book or stumbled across it on the internet? Abrahamic religions come out of the desert and all have pagan roots, christianity probably evolved from the magi, the magi were present at the birth of Jesus, because of the similarities it doesn't mean jesus didn't exist.
A hoax implies intent to deceive, could you now provide the evidence to back your post.
PS take this over to the religious board, more knowledgeable people than me will put you right.
justcauseinaz
GLOBAL WARMING just study history or even watch your nightly news and see the years in which the previous highs were............................
apollyon
while you guys are busy dumping on the middle eastern cults try and remember that Christianity is about following the teachings of Christ (hence the term Christians) and not about wether those teachings were unique to Jesus
Jennie 1
from the dictionary:
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hoaxplay_w("H0226200")(hlinked-imageks)

n. 1. An act intended to deceive or trick.2. Something that has been established or accepted by fraudulent means.tr.v. hoaxed, hoax·ing, hoax·es To deceive or cheat by using a hoax.


I don't think that Jesus falls into this definition. I can't believe that I'm arguing for religion. That's astounding.
Noone can prove that Jesus didn't exist so therefore he isn't a hoax.

I'm going to have to go with the Hitler Diaries as well, forgot about them, in my rush to defend the Christians.
apollyon
the loch ness monster is clearly a hoax since its inception
it started off as being a story created by the chronicler Andamann to glorify the life of st columba and has been perpetuated by the scottish tourist board ever since
all the best evidence has been debunked usually by the same people who faked it in the first place and there have been several studies of the water life of loch ness that proves it is incapable of supporting anything larger than a rich american tourist
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FTW
QUOTE(Tenkay @ May 29 2007, 04:43 PM) [snapback]1699836[/snapback]
i would have to say JESUS...christians being ignorant of history science and archolgeogy really beieve that the jesus story is unique and orginal, they really think its a real history


perhaps you might have said religion in general or are you just another christian hater and thought you were being slick with your thread??
LOL
Tenkay
QUOTE(cyqe @ Jun 1 2007, 12:25 AM) [snapback]1703615[/snapback]
from the dictionary:
I don't think that Jesus falls into this definition. I can't believe that I'm arguing for religion. That's astounding.
Noone can prove that Jesus didn't exist so therefore he isn't a hoax.

I'm going to have to go with the Hitler Diaries as well, forgot about them, in my rush to defend the Christians.


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What makes Jesus stand out from the crowd of other godmen, saviours and messiahs? Many have claimed to be the savior but if this one really was the "one and only" where are the concrete, testable proofs that substantiate his credentials? Christian assertions, wishful thinking and subjective experiences prove nothing unless you wish to believe. Anyone can claim to be the Messiah, and many have.

Jesus is an amalgamation made from various elements of other deities, godmen or mythical figures. Many of the following "world saviors" and "sons of God" predate the Christian myth, and a number of whom were said to have been born of a virgin, crucified or executed and then resurrected. yes.gif
Schnaffler
QUOTE(iain c @ May 31 2007, 05:09 PM) [snapback]1702545[/snapback]
yeah sorry,i just think that he is well overated,not saying that he wasnt a good man,just overated.Bring on the onslaught.... innocent.gif


Fair enough, I can't say I'm a huge fan either. I just thought you were saying Orson Welles himself was a hoax!! grin2.gif

A list of Hoaxes from Wiki (again!) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoax (sorry for the length of the post)

Orson Welles' Mercury Theatre radio broadcast on October 30, 1938, entitled "The War of the Worlds" has been called the "single greatest media hoax of all time", although it was not — Welles said — intended to be a hoax. The broadcast was heard on CBS radio stations throughout the United States. Despite repeated announcements within the program that it was a work of fiction, many listeners tuning in during the program believed that the world was being attacked by invaders from Mars. (Rumors claim some even committed suicide.) Rebroadcasts in South America also had this effect even to a greater extent.[1] It has also been suggested that the story of the hoax is, in fact, a hoax, or at least a significant exaggeration: that the broadcast did not cause widespread panic[citation needed].

Wolfgang von Kempelen‘s construction of the chess-playing Mechanical Turk in 1770.

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion (Russian: "Протоколы сионских мудрецов", or "Сионские протоколы") is an antisemitic literary forgery that purports to describe a Jewish plot to achieve world domination.

The 1934 "Surgeon's Photograph" of the Loch Ness monster, revealed some sixty years later to have been a plastic head and neck mounted to a toy submarine (though this has not been 100% confirmed).

The Bathtub hoax, perpetrated by American journalist and satirist H. L. Mencken in 1918, which was cited as factual even after the hoax had been revealed by the author.

The Great Moon Hoax of 1835, which helped to establish the market position of the New York Sun.

The Cardiff Giant of 1869, which was created and "discovered"; reputedly after an argument about the reality of giants.

Our First Time, possibly one of the first major internet hoaxes, although some characterized it as a botched scam.

Idaho, the northwestern US state, was named as the result of a hoax. Lobbyist George M. Willing suggested the name, claiming it was a Native American term meaning "gem of the mountains." It was later discovered that Willing had made up the word himself. As a result, the original Idaho Territory was renamed Colorado. Eventually, the controversy was forgotten and the made-up name stuck.

The Sokal hoax was a fake paper published in the journal Social Text, which was intended to reveal the uncritical misuse of scientific terms and ignorance of science in the field of postmodern cultural studies.

The Piltdown Man fraud caused some embarrassment to the field of paleontology when apparently ancient hominid remains discovered in England in 1912 were revealed as a hoax some 41 years later.

In 1970, Clifford Irving and Richard Suskind contrived to write an autobiography of Howard Hughes, believing Hughes would not come out of hiding to denounce it. Irving sent a manuscript to his publisher McGraw-Hill in late 1971. Authentication tests and Hughes's initial silence led some to believe the manuscript was genuine, but Hughes eventually gave a teleconference by phone denying both participation in the book and knowledge of Irving. Weeks later, Irving confessed to the hoax and was later convicted of fraud. He served 17 months of a two and a half year prison sentence. Suskind, sentenced to six months, served five.

The Hitler Diaries; the 1983 forgeries claiming to be the diaries of Adolf Hitler.

In 1928 Margaret Mead published Coming of Age in Samoa, a book largely concerned with the sexual practices of adolescents in Samoa. In 1983, five years after Mead's death, Derek Freeman published Margaret Mead and Samoa: The Making and Unmaking of an Anthropological Myth, in which he said that he had interviewed the sources of Mead's information, and was told that they had hoaxed Mead. Freeman's conclusions are controversial.

The Cottingley Fairies, a series of trick photographs taken by two young British girls from 1917 to 1920.

The alien autopsy film, supposedly footage of the examination of an extraterrestrial being which had purportedly died in the Roswell UFO incident. The film, presented by Ray Santilli in 1995, was later revealed to have been faked by Santilli and Gary Shoefield.

In the late 1970s and early 1980s, photographer Robert B. Stein created convincing UFO photographs using only a Kodak Pocket InstaMatic camera and throwable discs, and claimed to be a contactee. His pictures appeared in many publications devoted to the paranormal. In 1985, he revealed how it was done.

Rosie Ruiz finished first in the women's division of the 1980 Boston Marathon by riding the subway to a point near the finish line and jumping back into the race. Her marathon title was revoked when the hoax was discovered.

The sale of the Eiffel Tower for scrap, an elaborate scam run twice by the master con artist Victor Lustig.

American con artist George C. Parker made his living selling and re-selling public monuments in New York City.

The Helius Project, about a non-existent alien being communicating with people on Earth, launched in 2003 and still online. [2] Many people who interacted with Helius argue that Helius is real.

Project Alpha, a hoax conceived by stage magician James Randi to fool psychic researchers.

The Carlos hoax, another creation of The Amazing Randi, staged to discredit the New Age belief called trance channelling.

The residents of Palisade, Nevada, once earned their living by pretending to be the "toughest town in the West". The violence was actually an elaborate show put on for tourists arriving on the train.

Georg Paul Thomann, a fictional artist created by the group monochrom, who represented the Republic of Austria at the Sao Paulo Art Biennial. During the course of the event, no one had realized that the artist never really existed.

The Priory of Sion (French:Prieuré de Sion), an alleged secret order sworn to defend the mythical Jesus bloodline which protected Jesus' descendants, including the Merovingian rulers of France and their heirs, was fabricated by French royalist Pierre Plantard in the 1950s as part of a personal plan to become King of France; fake documents created as part of the hoax have been included in best sellers purporting to be non-fiction such as The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail as well as fictional novels such as Dan Brown's controversial The Da Vinci Code.

The Paul is dead hoax of 1969 had it that the famous bassist of The Beatles was actually replaced after he had a fatal car accident in the late 1960s. "Clues" have been discovered by fans on different Beatles songs and album covers. This hoax was not started by The Beatles themselves (although they seemed to anticipate it in the song Glass Onion, released a year before the hoax took off), and Paul McCartney is one of the two Beatles still alive as of March 2007.

Bonsai Kitten, an Internet hoax consisting of a fictional domain of a company that sold kittens inside jars as ornaments.

In early summer 2006 an Internet hoax went around saying Jaleel White of the TV show Family Matters committed suicide, mirroring similar urban legends of other celebrity suicides and deaths.

In what became known as the Berners Street Hoax in 1810, Theodore Hook tricked hundreds of people into showing up at 54 Berners Street, London.

In 2006, A.N. Wilson was the victim of a hoax when he included a love letter by Sir John Betjeman in his biography of the poet. It turned out to be a fake letter with an acrostic that said "AN Wilson is a sh**".[3][4]

In April, 1985, Sports Illustrated ran a profile written by George Plimpton of an amazing new pitching prospect for the New York Mets named Sidd Finch. Finch was a student of yoga ("Sidd" being short for "Siddhartha") who had studied with Tibetan monks to perfect his pitching and claimed to throw a 168 mph fastball. The Mets helped with the initial story but the magazine admitted to the hoax on April 15

Phew!!!! I like the piltdown man and the cottingley fairies hoaxes. I'd forgotten about them.
Lux Felix
biggst hoax?

ATLANTIS tongue.gif

Jennie 1
Thanks Schnaffler! That is some list!
icet925
QUOTE(Tenkay @ May 31 2007, 11:01 PM) [snapback]1703687[/snapback]
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What makes Jesus stand out from the crowd of other godmen, saviours and messiahs? Many have claimed to be the savior but if this one really was the "one and only" where are the concrete, testable proofs that substantiate his credentials? Christian assertions, wishful thinking and subjective experiences prove nothing unless you wish to believe. Anyone can claim to be the Messiah, and many have.

Jesus is an amalgamation made from various elements of other deities, godmen or mythical figures. Many of the following "world saviors" and "sons of God" predate the Christian myth, and a number of whom were said to have been born of a virgin, crucified or executed and then resurrected. yes.gif


What u just posted meant that there shouldn't be any religion... and that is sad, the human kind wasted their whole time believing, hoping and praying for some bull crap
keithisco
QUOTE(Memnoch @ May 31 2007, 06:22 AM) [snapback]1701921[/snapback]
What a pathetic thread. 3 pages and only one Hoax, Hitler's diary, has come out.

Jesus existed, therefore he's not a hoax. Religion are based on faith and faith is a personal thing. An Hoax is a fake news. This have nothing to do with religions or beleifs.

Hitler's diary was a huge hoax. Fleischmann-Pons's cold fusion was quite big too.

Sorry... Bosnian Pyramids
Bosanchero
QUOTE(keithisco @ Jun 1 2007, 06:21 PM) [snapback]1704427[/snapback]
Sorry... Bosnian Pyramids

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
Tulisin
QUOTE(Tommy K @ May 31 2007, 07:53 AM) [snapback]1702439[/snapback]
What’s your point here? Did you find the program boring? I thought it was interesting and made me aware of some issues that I was not aware of before.


Just the fact that some people still choose to believe that inane piece of media.
Lucid Mark
QUOTE(cyqe @ May 29 2007, 07:23 PM) [snapback]1699892[/snapback]
What make you think that Christians are ignorant of history science or archaeology (talk about ignorant)?
You've started off rude, and this should probably have been posted in the religion section if your intent was to insult someone.

That being said, I'd have to go with the Russians flaunting their nuclear warhead power, before they had it. That's a pretty big hoax! and a cool one at that.


As far as I can remember reading, Didn't the Russians steal their nuclear technology from the Japaneses and then sold the the technology to the United States?
If I recall correctly that's how it happened.
Deinychus_rulz
Here are some of the biggest hoaxes ever:
#1. Organized religion
#2. Creationism (general creationism)
#3. 9/11
#4. OK carbombing
#5. Saddam Hussain
#6. Kent hovind
BishopRyan
QUOTE(icet925 @ Jun 1 2007, 12:29 PM) [snapback]1704348[/snapback]
What u just posted meant that there shouldn't be any religion... and that is sad, the human kind wasted their whole time believing, hoping and praying for some bull crap
Thats exactly why religion was created. Without it there is no hope and with no hope there is potential for lack of order. Not to mention the all the financial reasons behind it.

For some reason mankind needs "reason" "justification" for existing. Rather than accept that we are nothing more than highly advanced ants we find purpose in our being here. We pray to God or a God to guide us give direction and benchmark to live by.

I'm not particularly fond of any religion but I do feel without it there would be chaos. Imagine how crazy people would go if they found out there was no god...no heaven....no reason to be a good little boy?
Deinychus_rulz
Meh, they already have, they just won't accept it.But i don't endorse lies and false hopes, which is why i don't follow any sort of religion.
elledee
You have missed the biggest hoax of them all....

Perpetrated for years and continuing to this day....



Santa is a fake !!!!

It was your parents



Sorry you had to be told

Schnaffler
QUOTE(elledee @ Jun 3 2007, 01:57 PM) [snapback]1706741[/snapback]
You have missed the biggest hoax of them all....

Perpetrated for years and continuing to this day....
Santa is a fake !!!!

It was your parents
Sorry you had to be told


What! But who brings my presents?!

apollyon
QUOTE(elledee @ Jun 3 2007, 01:57 PM) [snapback]1706741[/snapback]
You have missed the biggest hoax of them all....

Perpetrated for years and continuing to this day....
Santa is a fake !!!!

It was your parents
Sorry you had to be told

says who
hes been worshipped for thouands of years
santa is just an anagram anyway
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Deinychus_rulz
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oh, i get it thumbsup.gif
apollyon
did you hear about the dyslexic devil worshipper
he sold his soul to santa
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hetrodoxly
QUOTE(apollyon @ Jun 3 2007, 06:42 PM) [snapback]1707034[/snapback]
did you hear about the dyslexic devil worshipper
he sold his soul to santa
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Or how about the dyslexic agnostic insomniac, stayed up all night wondering if there really was a Dog original.gif
Thunderbolt
i would have to say Jesus as well
but only that he was the son of god
i beleave that he was a illusionist
but not the son of god

also the creation of earth (by god) and the great floud

and free money
itsnotoutthere
QUOTE(k_ksdad @ Jun 1 2007, 12:49 AM) [snapback]1703305[/snapback]
GLOBAL WARMING just study history or even watch your nightly news and see the years in which the previous highs were............................


oh yes.
itsnotoutthere
QUOTE(REBEL @ May 30 2007, 11:50 PM) [snapback]1701524[/snapback]
-Christianity.
-Scientology.
-Religion as a whole.
-UFOs-Extra Solar Life-Crop Circles?

Banks - Credit Cards - Tax ... just threw them in for good measure wink2.gif devil.gif


on the button every time dude
Horus Christos
To my mind a hoax is something that is fraudulent...someone willfully sets out to decieve others about something. In short, there has to be intent.

By this definition the Jesus story is not a hoax. It's authors, most likely Alexandrian Jews, wrote it in a failed attempt to meld their own history with that of the Greek mystery religions prevalent throughout the ancient world at the time. There was no intent to decieve, the story was written as a teaching aid....it was a myth in the same way that the story of Dionysius was a myth, and the story of Horus....and to stretch a point, one can include other such myths such as that of Hercules. These stories were written to teach hidden truths about our existence....the fact that God is within each of us and that we must crucify our material side in order to find our true identity. The authors of the Jesus story never meant for it to be taken literally.....that is an accident of history. They meant to "hellenize" Jewish religion. They failed terribly as the insular Jews didn't bite, but in one of the great comedic accidents of history.....gentiles did, mostly thorough the work of St. Paul. The early church fathers didn't perpetuate a hoax, they either, like St. Paul and other Gnostics, tried to teach people (i.e. Gentiles) the hidden meanings of the Jesus story, or later on, like Justin Martyr and Tertiallian were genuinely misguided in their missionary zeal as they really did beleive the story.

So to my mind the Jesus story cannot be classified a hoax...there was never intent to fool somebody. Ironically, through an acccident of history we've been mostly fooling ourselves - or rather, being indoctrinated into a false world-view. You can call it the greatest accident of history if you like.

I would however, agree with calling Constantine the Great's organization of the Catholic relgion as one of the greatest hoaxes of all time. This diabolical genius willfully set up an organized state religion he could control to solidify his power-base, and chose the extremely useful Chrisitan religion, with his hierarchical centralized structure, as his instrument. It was easy for him to take it over, purge the gnostics and other free-thinkers by labeling them heretics, and then use it as a means of political control....as did many kings and popes after his time. To show his duplicity....after the great meeting at Nicea that set out the creed and formalized the structure of the church...Constantine immediately went home and had his wife and oldest child killed.


The Puzzler
I'm wondering if Deinychus_rulz and apollyon are pulling a hoax on me. And everyone else here. Then again I think most things are hoaxs, trust no one. Especially governments.
But seriously I think apart from major hoaxs that have already been mentioned here, I think the biggest hoax on Australian soil was Martin Bryant being framed for the Port Arthur Massacre.
carlinspace
QUOTE(weareallsuckers @ Jun 4 2007, 08:43 PM) [snapback]1708110[/snapback]
I'm wondering if Deinychus_rulz and apollyon are pulling a hoax on me. And everyone else here. Then again I think most things are hoaxs, trust no one. Especially governments.
But seriously I think apart from major hoaxs that have already been mentioned here, I think the biggest hoax on Australian soil was Martin Bryant being framed for the Port Arthur Massacre.



Hi wereallsuckers - whats the go with the Martin Bryant hoax. I havent heard anything about that since I was a kid. I thought he was a schizophrnic that went ape with a semiautomatic and killed tourists?? Can you please enlighten me. huh.gif
The Puzzler
QUOTE(carlinspace @ Jun 4 2007, 10:21 PM) [snapback]1708159[/snapback]
Hi wereallsuckers - whats the go with the Martin Bryant hoax. I havent heard anything about that since I was a kid. I thought he was a schizophrnic that went ape with a semiautomatic and killed tourists?? Can you please enlighten me. huh.gif

Absolutely, I can enlighten you on this no end my friend, start here: http://home.overflow.net.au/~nedwood/portarthur.html
after that type in Martin Bryant conspiracy into Google and check it out. There is endless websites about this. Joe Viallis is an expert in this topic and has since passed away but many are trying to uncover the truth to this day. It's very interesting when you read how he was arrested and jailed, how he was in the papers before being charged and many new laws they bought in following it and how it seems he was incapable of firing the bullets. Read it and enlighten yourself, what you then believe is up to you. I've followed this closely for a while now, I found out about it not through websites but through other means and when I heard, I'm like, no, wha????? People saw him etc, but in reality it is very different, not one person there has legally positively identified Martin Bryant as being the killer.
BishopRyan
Looks like we can add white gold MZmagnum44 (or whatever its called) to the list of hoaxes.
REBEL
QUOTE(itsnotoutthere @ Jun 4 2007, 06:22 AM) [snapback]1707356[/snapback]
on the button every time dude


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Thanks itsnotoutthere, but i want to make it clear though just for the record that on the 'UFO/Extra Solar Life/Crop Circles phenomenon'...

it's still in my 'Uncertain keep'n an open mind until it's conclusive either way list'... hence the ''?'' hmm.gif grin2.gif
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Later...linked-image



Evil Elvis
Six pages on the Biggest Hoaxes in History. Those six pages prove that the Biggest Hoax in History is the idea that there is intelligent life on this planet. Don't be offended, I include myself in this.

By the way, first time to ever post. Probably the last as well. You'll pardon me, I think I need to re-read Nietzsche.
Son of _Adam
An even bigger hoax is believing that the OP has a functional working brain.
Tommy K
QUOTE(Tulisin @ Jun 1 2007, 08:11 PM) [snapback]1704513[/snapback]
Just the fact that some people still choose to believe that inane piece of media.



So what is your explanation for those flashes occurring in the tower as the building is falling?

How do you explain the speed at which the towers fell? They fell at a speed that was very close to the fastest that they could have fallen had they been demolished by experts.

How do you explain the damage that was supposedly caused by an aeroplane at the Pentagon? Why was there not an area of damage that was as wide as the wing span of this supposed plane? Where was the debris from the plane? Where were the 6 ton engines from the plane?

How come both towers fell so completely, when there is evidence of an older building that had a plane crash into it, yet it never fell even though it had a wider spread fire burning for longer than those on either of the twin towers?

How the hell did those two planes get into the most controlled airspace in the world without being intercepted?

Where was the debris/bodies from the plane crash in Pennsylvania?

I could go on, but I wont. If you have seen the video then you know the questions already raised. If you have got the answers to these questions then I am happy to hear them. Before I watched Loose Change I didn’t believe that there was a conspiracy going on, and even afterwards I am still not convinced that there is/was. But I do think that the video raised some interesting questions.

If you can disregard the video as completely as you have then you obviously have all the answers – I would love to hear them.
Feanor
Billy Myer <---- I don't know how to spell his name. Oh well, hes a damn liar.
liv1970

Hello, in my opinion, being that, I do, too, believe in Jesus, one of the biggest hoaxes in all of mankind, most definately would have to do with breaking Gods spiritual laws and Satans great deception that leads a great majority astray from the truth, which of course will set you free... You see, Jesus left this earth with a guideline to his spiritual law. The Ten Commandments. one of which is to keep the sabbath holy. Now look up the true sabbath and you will learn that it is not what most, I'll say people, (not religeons)think that it is today .The sabbath is actually Saturday, Sunday being the first day of the week. And because of this, and many more broken commandments, people are being led in the wrong direction. I do believe this is the biggest hoax of all time. Way back in 500 something B.C. a Roman Catholic Pope changed the sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. But come on now who is man to change the law of God? Please, do not by any means get offended by my reply. After careful studying, I've come to this conclusion.and this is only my opinion.
Cryticman
Exorcism
The Loch ness Monster
Gator's in New yorks Sewers
Hollow Earth
Global Warming
Ghosts
El Chewbacabra
UFOs


liv1970
Its me again, to each theyre own. I'm satisfied with my opinion.It doesnt matter what any one believes it only matters what I do when it all comes down to it. I just wish and pray that my expressing of opinion reachesw someone out there.
rgard
QUOTE(Tenkay @ May 31 2007, 12:09 AM) [snapback]1701913[/snapback]
i cant say anything about "mohammed' because i havent studied, but i do know the jesus story is a plagarized story from older stories thats not a belief thats a fact, being born in a cave, walking on water, being born to a virgin mother going into town on the donkey none of that stuff is orginal, thats the same story for serveral other figures Horus, Krishna, Mithra, Dionysus, Zoroaster, and others many of whom predate the time he allegendaly lived, same pictures of baby in mothers arms (jesus mary) and everything


Ok, but what you state does not disprove the biblical account of Jesus. You only show echoes of some common human themes. You can't prove your point with what you provide as proof.

You may want to read up on Islam. Islam (in the Koran) acknowledges 4 great prophets: Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Mohammed. If you deny the existence of Jesus you also invalidate the Koran.


Tenkay
QUOTE(liv1970 @ Jun 5 2007, 06:43 PM) [snapback]1710754[/snapback]
Hello, in my opinion, being that, I do, too, believe in Jesus, one of the biggest hoaxes in all of mankind, most definately would have to do with breaking Gods spiritual laws and Satans great deception that leads a great majority astray from the truth, which of course will set you free... You see, Jesus left this earth with a guideline to his spiritual law. The Ten Commandments. one of which is to keep the sabbath holy. Now look up the true sabbath and you will learn that it is not what most, I'll say people, (not religeons)think that it is today .The sabbath is actually Saturday, Sunday being the first day of the week. And because of this, and many more broken commandments, people are being led in the wrong direction. I do believe this is the biggest hoax of all time. Way back in 500 something B.C. a Roman Catholic Pope changed the sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. But come on now who is man to change the law of God? Please, do not by any means get offended by my reply. After careful studying, I've come to this conclusion.and this is only my opinion.


typical ignorant christian, you read my first entrance and didnt read anything else, how did jesus leave the earth "with HIS spirtual law" when HIS story isnt even orginal
Tenkay
QUOTE(rgard @ Jun 5 2007, 08:02 PM) [snapback]1710854[/snapback]
Ok, but what you state does not disprove the biblical account of Jesus. You only show echoes of some common human themes. You can't prove your point with what you provide as proof.

You may want to read up on Islam. Islam (in the Koran) acknowledges 4 great prophets: Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Mohammed. If you deny the existence of Jesus you also invalidate the Koran.


im not a muslim, you say that to me as if i said im a muslim or something! the bible and koran are both mythology, only buffoons take it literally. all "popular" modren day religions come from the same sources anyway, the world isnt revolved around islam and christianity those cults are just more popular
Son of _Adam
QUOTE(Tenkay @ Jun 11 2007, 04:05 AM) [snapback]1718164[/snapback]
im not a muslim, you say that to me as if i said im a muslim or something! the bible and koran are both mythology, only buffoons take it literally. all "popular" modren day religions come from the same sources anyway, the world isnt revolved around islam and christianity those cults are just more popular


I died a little inside reading some of this rubbish.
Lt_Ripley
QUOTE(Nephilim_Slayer @ Jun 11 2007, 02:09 AM) [snapback]1718282[/snapback]
I died a little inside reading some of this rubbish.


in your opinion it's rubbish . just as people think in their opinion the jesus story is rubbish.
bluelight
QUOTE(Emma_Acid_88 @ May 30 2007, 02:27 PM) [snapback]1700718[/snapback]
Well that falls down completely when you consider that:

1) 9/11 was too extreme for what the "powers that be" wanted to achieve. A carbomb outside the white house or the near assassination of the president would have been easily enough to go to war. But kill 2000 people? Thats just ridiculous
2) Think of the amount of people that it would have taken to plan and perfectly execute this operation, and then the SAME government go and make a huge botch job of Iraq? I don't think so.
3) Its a situation that doesn't need a conspiracy theory. All the pieces fit as it is. You're looking for solutions to problems that don't exist.

Back on topic. I also believe the myth of Jesus, no offence, is the biggest hoax, perpetrated by followers like Paul, not neccessarily by modern Christians or the Church.


what if that's the actual thing they want to achieve? The car bomb and assassination is nothing but peanuts, especially when their own citizens actually want that or at least think the president actually deserve it.

you have to look it this way. killing citizens is a far more better way to psyche people in a much major percentage. I mean, there's kids in the causality, pregnant people, somebody's kids, somebody's daughter, somebody's parents.

people serving for the army are expendable, they (govt) just need all that psyche up, need employment desperately, must join or treason excuse just to get whatever they want, in thi scase obviously oil. They never did capture bin laden, the person who they kept saying is behind 9/11 who was accidentally used to work for them.

in any war, the govt wins, the citizen and the places they attacked loses. so tell me, why aren't any of them Bush kids get drafted or signed up for the army? and don't give me the "because they are the first children" excuse cause Prince Henry signed up to be in the army. so hah!
The Puzzler
QUOTE(bluelight @ Jun 11 2007, 09:27 PM) [snapback]1718470[/snapback]
what if that's the actual thing they want to achieve? The car bomb and assassination is nothing but peanuts, especially when their own citizens actually want that or at least think the president actually deserve it.

you have to look it this way. killing citizens is a far more better way to psyche people in a much major percentage. I mean, there's kids in the causality, pregnant people, somebody's kids, somebody's daughter, somebody's parents.

people serving for the army are expendable, they (govt) just need all that psyche up, need employment desperately, must join or treason excuse just to get whatever they want, in thi scase obviously oil. They never did capture bin laden, the person who they kept saying is behind 9/11 who was accidentally used to work for them.

in any war, the govt wins, the citizen and the places they attacked loses. so tell me, why aren't any of them Bush kids get drafted or signed up for the army? and don't give me the "because they are the first children" excuse cause Prince Henry signed up to be in the army. so hah!

Absolutely, fake terror has been around for ages, see this link for some insight into how it works:
http://www.armageddononline.org/faketerror.php
bluelight
QUOTE(weareallsuckers @ Jun 11 2007, 12:04 PM) [snapback]1718498[/snapback]
Absolutely, fake terror has been around for ages, see this link for some insight into how it works:
http://www.armageddononline.org/faketerror.php

exactly what I was saying. it's a simple psyche-game, esp when patriotic people are too worked up when it comes to "saving" their own countries. these sort of people are easy game for these sort of tactics.
ziggy455
QUOTE(Tenkay @ May 30 2007, 12:43 AM) [snapback]1699836[/snapback]
i would have to say JESUS...christians being ignorant of history science and archolgeogy really beieve that the jesus story is unique and orginal, they really think its a real history


yeah get this...

christians believe humans were made from dirt
science believes we evolved through different stages of animals

christians say men lived to 1000 years old
science proves the ultimate age of death is 110...

christians believe god created the earth through some magical way
science believes the earth was created throughout the big bang

JESUS=BULLSH**

excuse my language and rambling of jesus

doods...
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