Here is a quick thought about the creation story in the Bible. The bible says that the world was created by God in 7 days..well actually 6 b/c he rested the last day. But science tells us that this could not happen, and that the creation story is wrong b.c the world is much older than what the bible tells us.
I am a Christian and I believe in the creation story, but think that most people misinterpreted the story. First thing, we measure a day by the time it takes the earth to rotate around the sun. In the biblical story the sun is created in Day 4, so our unit of time that we call a day could not of been possible if there was no sun. Rather than a day being used as a 24 hr day, it seems that the word day in the Hebrew actually has many different meanings, Ranging from 24hrs to a long extended period of time. The bible also says that a 1000 years is like a day to God. So as I agree with the creation story I think that a lot of Christians have misinterpreted the story. This is just a thought that I had….nothing more.
Full Version: Creation story ...new thought...maybe
QUOTE(Beastmode @ May 31 2007, 12:35 PM) [snapback]1702593[/snapback]
Here is a quick thought about the creation story in the Bible. The bible says that the world was created by God in 7 days..well actually 6 b/c he rested the last day. But science tells us that this could not happen, and that the creation story is wrong b.c the world is much older than what the bible tells us.
I am a Christian and I believe in the creation story, but think that most people misinterpreted the story. First thing, we measure a day by the time it takes the earth to rotate around the sun. In the biblical story the sun is created in Day 4, so our unit of time that we call a day could not of been possible if there was no sun. Rather than a day being used as a 24 hr day, it seems that the word day in the Hebrew actually has many different meanings, Ranging from 24hrs to a long extended period of time. The bible also says that a 1000 years is like a day to God. So as I agree with the creation story I think that a lot of Christians have misinterpreted the story. This is just a thought that I had….nothing more.
I am a Christian and I believe in the creation story, but think that most people misinterpreted the story. First thing, we measure a day by the time it takes the earth to rotate around the sun. In the biblical story the sun is created in Day 4, so our unit of time that we call a day could not of been possible if there was no sun. Rather than a day being used as a 24 hr day, it seems that the word day in the Hebrew actually has many different meanings, Ranging from 24hrs to a long extended period of time. The bible also says that a 1000 years is like a day to God. So as I agree with the creation story I think that a lot of Christians have misinterpreted the story. This is just a thought that I had….nothing more.
actually, (not to rub it in) jews realized this a long time ago. the hebrew word "yom" does, in fact, mean "period of time", and not just "day". good to hear you have an open mind. we are still in the "seventh day", and God is still resting, which explains a lot.
QUOTE(GIDEON MAGE @ May 31 2007, 03:31 PM) [snapback]1702892[/snapback]
actually, (not to rub it in) jews realized this a long time ago. the hebrew word "yom" does, in fact, mean "period of time", and not just "day". good to hear you have an open mind. we are still in the "seventh day", and God is still resting, which explains a lot.
LOL...yea your right..That 7 day theory is taught as truth....i just kinda get upset when creationest say it was a litteral 7 days.......when in fact it could possiably not be what we know as a 24 hr day.....lol, i didnt know God conformed to our time frame of days
QUOTE(Beastmode @ May 31 2007, 10:35 AM) [snapback]1702593[/snapback]
Here is a quick thought about the creation story in the Bible. The bible says that the world was created by God in 7 days..well actually 6 b/c he rested the last day. But science tells us that this could not happen, and that the creation story is wrong b.c the world is much older than what the bible tells us.
I am a Christian and I believe in the creation story, but think that most people misinterpreted the story. First thing, we measure a day by the time it takes the earth to rotate around the sun. In the biblical story the sun is created in Day 4, so our unit of time that we call a day could not of been possible if there was no sun. Rather than a day being used as a 24 hr day, it seems that the word day in the Hebrew actually has many different meanings, Ranging from 24hrs to a long extended period of time. The bible also says that a 1000 years is like a day to God. So as I agree with the creation story I think that a lot of Christians have misinterpreted the story. This is just a thought that I had….nothing more.
I am a Christian and I believe in the creation story, but think that most people misinterpreted the story. First thing, we measure a day by the time it takes the earth to rotate around the sun. In the biblical story the sun is created in Day 4, so our unit of time that we call a day could not of been possible if there was no sun. Rather than a day being used as a 24 hr day, it seems that the word day in the Hebrew actually has many different meanings, Ranging from 24hrs to a long extended period of time. The bible also says that a 1000 years is like a day to God. So as I agree with the creation story I think that a lot of Christians have misinterpreted the story. This is just a thought that I had….nothing more.
Your position sounds a lot like traditional "Old Earth" creationism. But how exactly do you view the 'creation' act? There are a number of religious men (including Ken Brown, a biologist and orthodox Catholic) who believe that evolution was that process used by God to create man and life.
QUOTE(Beastmode @ May 31 2007, 03:35 PM) [snapback]1702905[/snapback]
LOL...yea your right..That 7 day theory is taught as truth....i just kinda get upset when creationest say it was a litteral 7 days.......when in fact it could possiably not be what we know as a 24 hr day.....lol, i didnt know God conformed to our time frame of days
a lot was "lost" when the Christian emperors took over and force-converted pagans by the thousands.
QUOTE(Guardsman Bass @ May 31 2007, 03:36 PM) [snapback]1702910[/snapback]
Your position sounds a lot like traditional "Old Earth" creationism. But how exactly do you view the 'creation' act? There are a number of religious men (including Ken Brown, a biologist and orthodox Catholic) who believe that evolution was that process used by God to create man and life.
Here is my view on the whole creation story...........We as humans cannot even begon to comprehend to total concept of God. We cannot comprehend the intracate design of how he created the universe(we dont even know the complete universe) never the less how God created the earth, each person, every strand of DNA...and etc. So i think the creation story is like the Cliff Notes of how God created the earth..ie the WHo, What , WHen and Where... not the exact details......if God told us exactly how He created it...A: we wouldnt understand it and B ther would be no faith involved. So again ..lol..its just a theory ...it cant be proved. .....so God could of used some type of evolution to create man.
Well in a way with the scientific method we are finding out about creation, slowly and in a way that we can relate to.
As for God creating things to a schedule ,well I suspect that it our attempt, as creatures living under the influence of time, to unavoidably impose time on God.
Maybe it is part of a psychological attempt to keep God one step removed from ourselves for maybe God exists out of time such that the act of creation is always now.
As for God creating things to a schedule ,well I suspect that it our attempt, as creatures living under the influence of time, to unavoidably impose time on God.
Maybe it is part of a psychological attempt to keep God one step removed from ourselves for maybe God exists out of time such that the act of creation is always now.
QUOTE(Beastmode @ May 31 2007, 04:35 PM) [snapback]1702593[/snapback]
Here is a quick thought about the creation story in the Bible. The bible says that the world was created by God in 7 days..well actually 6 b/c he rested the last day. But science tells us that this could not happen, and that the creation story is wrong b.c the world is much older than what the bible tells us.
Do you believe God is all powerful? I don't. But if you believe he is then why couldn't he create the earth in six days?
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I am a Christian and I believe in the creation story, but think that most people misinterpreted the story. First thing, we measure a day by the time it takes the earth to rotate around the sun. In the biblical story the sun is created in Day 4, so our unit of time that we call a day could not of been possible if there was no sun. Rather than a day being used as a 24 hr day, it seems that the word day in the Hebrew actually has many different meanings, Ranging from 24hrs to a long extended period of time. The bible also says that a 1000 years is like a day to God. So as I agree with the creation story I think that a lot of Christians have misinterpreted the story. This is just a thought that I had….nothing more.
Look up the "gap theory". It will be of interest to you.
QUOTE(Beastmode @ May 31 2007, 05:35 PM) [snapback]1702593[/snapback]
Here is a quick thought about the creation story in the Bible. The bible says that the world was created by God in 7 days..well actually 6 b/c he rested the last day. But science tells us that this could not happen, and that the creation story is wrong b.c the world is much older than what the bible tells us.
I am a Christian and I believe in the creation story, but think that most people misinterpreted the story. First thing, we measure a day by the time it takes the earth to rotate around the sun. In the biblical story the sun is created in Day 4, so our unit of time that we call a day could not of been possible if there was no sun. Rather than a day being used as a 24 hr day, it seems that the word day in the Hebrew actually has many different meanings, Ranging from 24hrs to a long extended period of time. The bible also says that a 1000 years is like a day to God. So as I agree with the creation story I think that a lot of Christians have misinterpreted the story. This is just a thought that I had….nothing more.
I am a Christian and I believe in the creation story, but think that most people misinterpreted the story. First thing, we measure a day by the time it takes the earth to rotate around the sun. In the biblical story the sun is created in Day 4, so our unit of time that we call a day could not of been possible if there was no sun. Rather than a day being used as a 24 hr day, it seems that the word day in the Hebrew actually has many different meanings, Ranging from 24hrs to a long extended period of time. The bible also says that a 1000 years is like a day to God. So as I agree with the creation story I think that a lot of Christians have misinterpreted the story. This is just a thought that I had….nothing more.
I suppose that since "yom" means "a period of time" that you seem to take the stance that each day could actually be millions of years. Then how do you explain that at the beginning and end of each day it specifiacally states that a new day has come and gone. The is no way that your interpretation is biblically sound.
yes but remember it COULDNT have been any longer than 6000 years christians.
lolocaust
lolocaust
QUOTE(Zombie Jesus @ Jun 1 2007, 12:46 AM) [snapback]1703303[/snapback]
yes but remember it COULDNT have been any longer than 6000 years christians.
lolocaust
lolocaust
In a monkeys tail, it couldn't. Christians can believe in a world millions or billions of years old without a single problem and they don't have to resort to the type of reasoning given by Beastmode.
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1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 Now the earth was unformed and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the spirit of God hovered over the face of the waters. 3 And God said: 'Let there be light.' And there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.
hey
this means that God was an extra terrestrial doesnt it
can't have been from Earth if it didn't exist until day one
so which planet was this god guy from exactly
and why did he get kicked out
i bet he was a juvenile delinquent and was just doing community service instead of getting another ASBO
QUOTE(Jim88 @ May 31 2007, 04:21 PM) [snapback]1703000[/snapback]
Do you believe God is all powerful? I don't. But if you believe he is then why couldn't he create the earth in six days?
Look up the "gap theory". It will be of interest to you.
Look up the "gap theory". It will be of interest to you.
I believe he could......but start of day one...its could of been a day as we know it b/c the sun had not been created yet.. Also, this is just a thought and no way can be proven...just had a thought...and i thought id share it.
QUOTE(Beastmode @ May 31 2007, 11:35 AM) [snapback]1702593[/snapback]
Here is a quick thought about the creation story in the Bible. The bible says that the world was created by God in 7 days..well actually 6 b/c he rested the last day. But science tells us that this could not happen, and that the creation story is wrong b.c the world is much older than what the bible tells us.
I am a Christian and I believe in the creation story, but think that most people misinterpreted the story. First thing, we measure a day by the time it takes the earth to rotate around the sun. In the biblical story the sun is created in Day 4, so our unit of time that we call a day could not of been possible if there was no sun. Rather than a day being used as a 24 hr day, it seems that the word day in the Hebrew actually has many different meanings, Ranging from 24hrs to a long extended period of time. The bible also says that a 1000 years is like a day to God. So as I agree with the creation story I think that a lot of Christians have misinterpreted the story. This is just a thought that I had….nothing more.
I am a Christian and I believe in the creation story, but think that most people misinterpreted the story. First thing, we measure a day by the time it takes the earth to rotate around the sun. In the biblical story the sun is created in Day 4, so our unit of time that we call a day could not of been possible if there was no sun. Rather than a day being used as a 24 hr day, it seems that the word day in the Hebrew actually has many different meanings, Ranging from 24hrs to a long extended period of time. The bible also says that a 1000 years is like a day to God. So as I agree with the creation story I think that a lot of Christians have misinterpreted the story. This is just a thought that I had….nothing more.
I understand the desire to make the story of Creation as written in Genesis "fit" with what seems to be a scientifically acceptable idea of the time required for life to have taken place, I really do.
However, I see several pitfalls with this desire:
First of all, origins science cannot prove anything, it is all supposition based on interpretation of available evidence. Interpretations that do and have changed repeatedly over the years as new evidence is uncovered. So, why should we put absolute trust in a situation which the experts themselves (scientists) do not put their complete and full trust in since, by the very nature of the scientific method, there are few things we can or should completely trust to be fully known.
Secondly, if we accept God is an omnipotent God, there should be NO problem believing He ordered the Earth for human habitation in 6 days, when really, if we accept His omnipotence, He could have simply thought it and it would have immediately been so.
Finally, there is the problem of "and there was evening and morning the # day"
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1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 Now the earth was [a] formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
6 And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water." 7 So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the expanse "sky." And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
9 And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear." And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground "land," and the gathered waters he called "seas." And God saw that it was good.
11 Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.
14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.
20 And God said, "Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky." 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth." 23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.
24 And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind." And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."
29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food." And it was so.
31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.
Genesis 12 Now the earth was [a] formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
6 And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water." 7 So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the expanse "sky." And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
9 And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear." And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground "land," and the gathered waters he called "seas." And God saw that it was good.
11 Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.
14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.
20 And God said, "Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky." 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth." 23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.
24 And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind." And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."
29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food." And it was so.
31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.
How was this discussed at seminary beast? What was the prevalent thought among your professors? When you read this in Hebrew, is there anything about this phrase that would make you think that like "yom" this reference could also be interpreted more as the end of an "age" rather than a literal evening and morning?
This was never taught in siminary...but hebrew words in their different meaning were discussed. This was just a thought. the whole point was that most Christians take our literal 24 hr interp of the word day...but im not sure if that was the correct interp of the hebrew word Yom.......yes i believe that God could of and quite possiably of Created the universe in 6 days...He could of created it in 6 hrs for all we know....just challenging the ways and concepts that this theory was created in. i do beleive that God created us the way the Bible says He did........but we assume that the word day or Yom means our 24hr day.....when it could mean so much more. And yes i agree that science cannot fully explain...but Christians could be wrongly interpretting the word day..which could cause others to disbelieve. Not sure on the exact interp of the word Yom,,,but just Challenging everything I was taught....just so i know what i beleive rather just taking someones word for it. And honestly i agree with the 6 day theory..but i thought i would just through the idea out there just to get another very possiable interpretation
QUOTE(Beastmode @ Jun 1 2007, 10:56 AM) [snapback]1704186[/snapback]
This was never taught in siminary...but hebrew words in their different meaning were discussed. This was just a thought. the whole point was that most Christians take our literal 24 hr interp of the word day...but im not sure if that was the correct interp of the hebrew word Yom.......yes i believe that God could of and quite possiably of Created the universe in 6 days...He could of created it in 6 hrs for all we know....just challenging the ways and concepts that this theory was created in. i do beleive that God created us the way the Bible says He did........but we assume that the word day or Yom means our 24hr day.....when it could mean so much more. And yes i agree that science cannot fully explain...but Christians could be wrongly interpretting the word day..which could cause others to disbelieve
Like I pointed out, those who see the Creation story talking about literal days do so because of the "And there was evening, and there was morning, the # day." What do you make of that phrase? Do you read Hebrew? Was it a requirement at seminary?
It's interesting that this would not have been part of seminary training.
I'm still looking forward to your answers to the questions I asked on the "what bugs me about Christians" thread.
QUOTE(IamsSon @ Jun 1 2007, 12:16 PM) [snapback]1704224[/snapback]
Like I pointed out, those who see the Creation story talking about literal days do so because of the "And there was evening, and there was morning, the # day." What do you make of that phrase? Do you read Hebrew? Was it a requirement at seminary?
It's interesting that this would not have been part of seminary training.
I'm still looking forward to your answers to the questions I asked on the "what bugs me about Christians" thread.
It's interesting that this would not have been part of seminary training.
I'm still looking forward to your answers to the questions I asked on the "what bugs me about Christians" thread.
Hebrew isnt a requirement...but its offered and i do have a hebrew bible from early1900's. So im looking forward to learning hebrew.....
And i do agree with the 6 day creation.....just making something to talk about
It doesn't seem that anyone's pointed this out yet, but..
A "day" (if we're just talking dawn-to-dawn, not a calendar day.. In places that are highly polar you have sunlight or darkness which lasts multiple 24 hour days.) is how long it takes the earth to make one 360 degree rotation on its axis. A year is how long it takes the earth to revolve around the sun.
A "day" (if we're just talking dawn-to-dawn, not a calendar day.. In places that are highly polar you have sunlight or darkness which lasts multiple 24 hour days.) is how long it takes the earth to make one 360 degree rotation on its axis. A year is how long it takes the earth to revolve around the sun.
QUOTE(KBA @ Jun 1 2007, 06:24 PM) [snapback]1704333[/snapback]
It doesn't seem that anyone's pointed this out yet, but..
A "day" (if we're just talking dawn-to-dawn, not a calendar day.. In places that are highly polar you have sunlight or darkness which lasts multiple 24 hour days.) is how long it takes the earth to make one 360 degree rotation on its axis. A year is how long it takes the earth to revolve around the sun.
A "day" (if we're just talking dawn-to-dawn, not a calendar day.. In places that are highly polar you have sunlight or darkness which lasts multiple 24 hour days.) is how long it takes the earth to make one 360 degree rotation on its axis. A year is how long it takes the earth to revolve around the sun.
6 months per day in polar regions, so instead of 6 days we have 3 calender years. Does it really make any difference when the scale we are talking about is billions of years?
QUOTE(KBA @ Jun 1 2007, 01:24 PM) [snapback]1704333[/snapback]
It doesn't seem that anyone's pointed this out yet, but..
A "day" (if we're just talking dawn-to-dawn, not a calendar day.. In places that are highly polar you have sunlight or darkness which lasts multiple 24 hour days.) is how long it takes the earth to make one 360 degree rotation on its axis. A year is how long it takes the earth to revolve around the sun.
A "day" (if we're just talking dawn-to-dawn, not a calendar day.. In places that are highly polar you have sunlight or darkness which lasts multiple 24 hour days.) is how long it takes the earth to make one 360 degree rotation on its axis. A year is how long it takes the earth to revolve around the sun.
Good Point...i never thought about that
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