I've noticed recently that I get punished for a lot of sh** that isn't my fault, and not just in the parental region but by this weird sort of cosmic a****** that seems to hate me. I've tried my whole life to be a fairly good child; in school and at home, yet I get the biggest screw job imaginable for any person. Any truly heinous thing I've done I've apologized for profusely, so can anyone explain this whether it be in terms of Karma or what the hell ever else you think can explain this.

personally i think everyone gets punished in their life time. its just how it goes. some more than others i guess, but it happens to everyone i think.

You're just experiencing the denial and realization of injustice in this world that we all do. The Law is mostly unchangeable. Since it cannot be applied to everyone equally and fairly, since there are "special cases", the Law is not justice.

In a broader sense, Good and Evil are both completely subjective. Good to you could be evil to another. Those who are evil to you also think they are doing good, even though against you it may be bad. Therefore there is no such thing as absolute "Good" and "Evil" -- these are simply human ideas that we have created in order to more easily understand the world.

However I definitely understand your feelings, I have felt them too. You try so hard to live up to some state that you have set for yourself, and no one seems to appreciate your accomplishment, or how you are trying so hard to be a good person. Yet often times it doesn't matter if these people realize it or not; the people that do realize it are the ones you ought to associate with.

From a spiritual sense, it could be Karma, or it could be more of a spiritual test. Personally, the painful and almost unbearable things going on in my own life right now are more of a test, as I see it. A test of my character and conviction, a test that will make me wiser in the end. Through challenge you grow and from experience you become wiser. I tend to live as much as I can by the Friedrich Nietzsche quote, "What does not kill me, makes me stronger." for this is one of the truest things I have heard in my life, as long as you're open to growth and change. In terms of your problem in particular, whatever it may be, there are spiritual and psychological routes you can take to look to solving it, however it's up to you if you want to learn about that sort of stuff or not.

I personally don't believe in karma - and it depends on what your definition of being punished is????

I don't think you should think you've done anything wrong or that you're being punished - I'm certain you're not a bad person.

Edit: Sorry, for those who read my original post, I took it away cause it's just too raw - sorry, it was a gut reaction.

Often in life ones Karma spins out of control and runs over your Dogma.

life happens. it never promised to be fair.

That was great

Mind you, this is coming from my own beliefs, but what has happened is just part of life, and unfortunately, life is unfair. People get thrown curveballs for no apparent reason whatsoever, possibly over and over again, until they die - while others never get a curveball, and die happy. It's not anything resembling just, but it seems to be the nature of things (which doesn't, of course, mean that you shouldn't try to rectify and fix unfair situations in this life).

I agree - life isn't fair and it really isn't the case of what comes around goes around. Bad things happen to good people, and vile people can live wonderful lives.

I also agree, that it's right to always try to do the right thing.

Rent Koo Stark's JUSTINE (1977)...


"There's safety in numbers when you learn to divide." -- PETER GABRIEL

I think that everybody at one time or another has ranted and raved at the unfairnaess of it all. Like some have said, life is not fair, but then again, life is also not unfair.

Our perception is what really makes the difference in judging how life is treating us and our perception is based on our our mind and spirit. I know it's actually harder than it sounds when someone tells us that these perceptions are actually temporary and with time they change for the better.

It is a pendulum swinging from good to bad and back again. My suggestion is to change your perception of these events in your life (it's hard, I know) and instead of looking at them negatively, look at them as a learning experience that will benefit you greatly, later in life.

Nothing bad ever happens without a reason. Sometimes the events are actually the result of decisions and attitudes we had in the past. Change the attitudes and decisions and you also change the results.

Believe me when I say that our "EGO" is the cause of most of the bad events in our life.

That's half-true, Jor-El - and I say half because bad things really do happen to decent people, without them having any form of control over it. Like, for example, if a child of the Jews in WW2 dies in a concentration camp of starvation. You can say it's because he's Jewish, but he had no control over it, or anything else, for that matter.

Yeah Guardsman,

I agree with you on that, but as I see it very few of us are exposed to this type of thing. Yes there are natural events like earthquakes and such, there are also evil people in the world who cause suffering, but generally speaking I would say that most of us can go a lifetime without actually coming face to face with such a situation.

Surrian7's situation does not seem to be of this genre but rather of a more personal nature, like life being unfair to him on a personal basis. Job, family, girlfriends and such.

ok, well theres no way im looking at me (or someone close to me) getting paralyzed as a learning experience. if anything, that would take benefits away. sure you would learn to do other things and enjoy life, but it would not be the same. i also dont think changing attitudes help. you can have a positive attitude 24/7 and still walk outside your house like you to everyday, but you get hit by a car this time and die. that has nothing to do with attitudes in life.

There is life after death, even if you don't believe in God, Jesus Christ, and/or your eternal essence. I know this without a doubt. The thing is: we simply don't know the whole picture. Yes, tragic events do happen, and I pray everyday, every moment to be spared from experiencing all the horrors of life because I had my ample share...; however, since I believe in a divine god, I could assume that I'm within HIS/HER plan because of all the good people and things in my life. They are my needed clues, for they tell me that my spiritual work is not in vain. I believe in good results to guide me, of course! I also think that there are people out there who simply settle for less. Or, they need something shocking to wake them up. Again, we just don't know the whole picture, what we've done collectively throughout eternity, good and bad. Some people say that we reap what we sow. I do know that we also create patterns in our lives, good and bad. Not knowing is the major reason why I can sincerely forgive. It is the major reason why I don't judge. I always tell myself and the people around me: "Just be grateful you're still alive."


"But please, feel free, explore. We have eternity to know your flesh." -- HELLBOUND: HELLRAISER II

Like I said before (in case you weren't paying attention) no-one is talking about natural disasters and no one is talking about getting paralyzed. For Petes sake look at the OP!!

The good are not being punished. The nature of the world is flawed, so bad things happen to many. A flawed world by a flawed maker makes for flawed experience, such as seeing punishment where it doesn't exist.

Peace,

RadicalGnostic

What sort of unjust punishment are we talking about? On the one extreme, there's no tv after dinner because your sibling made up lies about you, at the other there's being mercilessly beaten because your father had a bad day at work. But in general, if a punishment is truely unjust, it's not because you were ever at fault, it's because many humans are basically cruel and heartless ... you're being punished for their character flaws, their natural inferiority.

Getting punished for doing a good deed shows the strength of your character...because if you continue to good deeds even with the knowledge that you will receive punishment shows how much you actually value the act of doing good.

If all good deeds were rewarded then everyone would do them and there would be no test. If every bad deed was punished then no one want to ever do bad.

You can choose to do good and accept the punishment or do bad and get the reward...which one you choose shows the exstent of your character.

Punishment implies there is a punisher. If you believe in some divine presence that is causing you this distress then so be it, otherwise, in the words of that great 21st Century philosopher and poet, Donald Rumsfeld...

"Stuff Happens"

In case you didn't realise Don was a poet, here is a link to some of his work...

The poetry of D. Rumsfeld

I really dont have a negative outlook. I usually take things with a very upbeat attitude for someone in my position. Now, to explain, I'm going to get very personal. There is nothing attractive about me. The only good thing about me is that I'm kind and intelligent (or so I would hope). My parents could care less that I'm alive, even though I do everything for their benefit. They both drink heavily, are raging biggots and sexists and the biggest liars you'll ever meet in your life. They are truly the definition of ignorance. Because of them, I've spent my whole life being alone in a very twisted aspect of the word. The attempts I made to let them get to know me were passed off with their annoyed sighs and sometimes yelling.

The reason I ask this question is, is there a limit to how ridiculously bad life can be? You would think there would be a balance in there somewhere, in some way or atleast one thing to look at positively.

That's a very eloquent way to put it, and thankyou

Forget the dogmas of organized christianity and learn the universality of Hinduism. It is rich and vibrant and full of spiritual insights that can actually help you get a one on one relationship with God. Christianity(unless it is expounded by the perennial philosophers or saints) is very limited when it views reality, souls and God. Here are some quotes on Hinduism on why you should open your mind to a more universal embracing religion which is beyond religion:

"That which we call the Hindu religion is really the Eternal religion because it embraces all others."

(source: The Wisdom of Hindu Gurus -Timothy Freke pg 56 ).


"Indian religion has always felt that since the minds, the temperaments and the intellectual affinities of men are unlimited in their variety, a perfect liberty of thought and of worship must be allowed to the individual in his approach to the Infinite."

(source: Hindutva is liberal - By A. B. Vajpayee - rediff.com).


AND TO STAY ON TOPIC THIS QUOTE EXPLAINS VERY ARTICULATELY WHY ORGANIZED CHRISTIANITY OR ANY RELIGION THAT TRIES TO NARROW MINDS INTO DOGMAS THAT ARE UNREALISTIC AND REQUIRE BLIND FAITH TO BELIEVE IN, IS INFERIOR TO HINDUISM:

"The aggressive and quite illogical idea of a single religion for all mankind, a religion universal by the very force of its narrowness, one set of dogmas, one cult, one system of ceremonies, one ecclesiastical ordinance, one array of prohibitions and injunctions which all minds must accept on peril of persecution by men and spiritual rejection or eternal punishment by God, that grotesque creation of human unreason which has been the parent of so much intolerance, cruelty and obscurantism and aggressive fanaticism, has never been able to take firm hold of the Indian mentality."

(source: India's Rebirth - By Sri Aurobindo (ISBN 2-902776-32-2) p 141).


hahahahahahahaha it really makes western organized religion seem so primitive and insulting to the intuition and intellect. And here is another quote to show how according to Hinduism God is EVERYTHING therefore there is nothing that exists that isnt God and also how there is no sin that can exceed the forgiveness of God:


"Hinduism is not just a faith. It is the union of reason and intuition that cannot be defined but is only to be experienced. Evil and error are not ultimate. There is no Hell, for that means there is a place where God is not, and there are sins which exceed his love. "

"In the history of the world, Hinduism is the only religion, that exhibits a complete independence and freedom of the human mind, its full confidence in its own powers. Hinduism is freedom, especially the freedom in thinking about God."

"In the search for the supernatural, it is like traveling in space without a boundary or barrier."

(source: Bhagavad Gita - By S. Radhakrishan pg - 55).

I cant help but laugh at the petty organized religions that try to use fear to gain sheeple to join. Here is the link to this awesome Hindu site. Dont take my word on why it is so awesome, chec it out yourself:

http://www.hinduwisdom.info/quotes21_40.htm

We're talking being beaten extreme. Trust me, I am not so petty as to rave about no TV after dinner or something minor like that.

Depending on how old you are, you have a wide variety of choices before you. If you're a young adult, you can just leave home. If your underage you will probably have to bear it a while longer until you make plans to strike off on your own. I was 20 when I came to Portugal by myself. That's a whole continent away from my parents. At the time things couldn't have been worse between us but over time things got better. But that can't be compared to your situation, think long and hard about what you want out of life and go for it.

Surrian,

My apologies for my flippant response earlier. I've just read your update and realise your situation is fairly bleak. To be honest, talking about this on a web forum, while useful in that you may find people who will encourage you as to what you should do, will not help you much. The people you should be talking to, if you are able, are your local social services as they may be able to provide some practical assistance to your situation.

I hope everything works out well for you.

Ah, I know. I'm fine, believe it or not. I have two weeks of school left and then I leave to work with my uncle in FL for the summer. Before Im supposed to come back Im buying myself a plane ticket and heading off to WA when I turn 18. I have a place to stay, a few jobs waiting for me and a lot of friends up there dying to help out so its not like helpless. I came on here to ask if anyone could explain it because the situation seems entirely odd to me because from the outcome of the abuse, there are things that seem impossibely odd about me. Not the normal type of odd either (if there is such a thing).

1. A weird kind of ESP. I can almost always guess when something is about to happen, but also, when I think about something I want the universe kind of just...makes it happen at the most random of times.

I dont know how I can explain the other things...

I remember many moons ago knowing this rich chick who was like the Tori Spelling of my college. She had a Lexus with an eight track cd player in the trunk in like 1992.

Which she whined about having to drive because she wanted a sports car.

I remember being obsessed with jealousy over this girl. I wasn't jealous of her per se but angry that she was a total ungrateful beyotch when I had done everything right and gotten dumped on again and again.

Then I got married and was working and going to college. She....got knocked up by some soccer coach and wound up having this enormously elaborate wedding. Her parents paid for her Victorian manse and I was so upset by all this.

First it just wasn't fair. Second it wasn't fair.


Well nowadays I can not believe that I thought this. What might be happening to you is what happened to me.

Picture yourself standing in the doorway of a mansion looking at the people across the way, you focus your energy on them. You look at the rest of the world. And in doing this you send your energy to them and not to you.

What you want, you will receive. Focus on yourself and stop complaining. Every day thank the universe for what you do have and you will get more.

Believe me. It works.

If you believe in Reincarnation and believe in Karma, one could make an argument that suffering in this life for no reason might be the result of something you did wrong in a past life. I don't hold that belief, I'm just throwing it as a possibility to consider.

I tend to think that life is full of ups and downs. When you are at the bottom of a down, it is sometimes hard to remember what it was like on the top of an up. And when you go through a series of downs, even when you experience an up it might be mistaken as one searches for the down in that situation *did that last sentence make any sense????? I hope so*

Anywho, I think the trick is finding a way to be content regardless of circumstance. Paul the Apostle was one such as this. He had experienced the best of society, never wanting for money or goods, he ate at the best tables, slept in the finest beds. But at other times he had experienced the worst of society. Shipwrecked on more than one occassion, sleeping in the cold, imprisoned, persecuted, eating at the common table, sometimes not even eating at all probably. As Paul reflected on this, he mentioned that throughout it all, he has learnt to be content. If he had what he needed, that was good. If he went without, that was good too.

It is a sentiment I have at times found hard to follow, and I'm sure others have (and will) also have the same issue. All the best with your journey Surrian, i hope things start to change. And if all else fails, think of Brian, as he hung, crucified and rejected by his own. Think of him, and the thief who told him one of the truest things I have ever heard - See here for details

This may not make any sense, but through all of lifes B.S. we find those people and things that make it seem better, it is because of said events that we find our true friends and learn who truely loves us.


"All you need is love" as said in Moulin Rouge. Tis be the most true thing I have found to date for it allows me to see through the B.S. and find a happy medium.

Life isn't going to be fair, it is how you learn from it that makes you strong.

~Watcher

The things you wrote is like my life.
But i have changed it twice.
I'm always blamed for others fault.
Instead of them to understand me, i tried to understand them to purify my thoughts.
But if i apply this into my workplace, it is not gonna work.
You talk to anyone to complain, it will only fall to deaf ears.
You get a lawyer, surely it will change them.

What you are experiencing is the end result of a negative thought process. To end it...remove all negatives from your thoughts and speech...if you do, you will see your life change dramatically.

Well put my friend. It is from suffering that we gain strength to cope with suffering and mitigate it to a point where it is looked upon as no suffering at all but accepted as a course of life.

Sometimes I will remind myself of something that makes me feel better about not doing all the things I thought I would.

I'll see someone super fabulous and be like WHINE why can't I have been that person. And then I'll think, well someone had to play YOU in the story of life. There are no small roles only small actors.

Misfortune is fortune disguised. The greater the misfortune the greater the fortune. Mass misfortune carves out room to fit in mass fortune. Take the good with the bad and realize that the bad is also good.

I agree. Best to be a small actor with a big perspective

I'm a good person and I've suffered alot because its Gods plan to ready us for life everlasting and turn us into warriors of light

Surrian .. I would like to wish you happiness for the rest of your life, happiness that would replace all bitterness of the past ..
I'm not writing any reply as of now, coz I prefer to read all posts here before posting so not to repeat words .. be well and blessed ..

So God has made you suffer to prepare yourself for more suffering???

It sounds like your not being punished as much as you are being abused by some one who doesn't understand the harm they are doing. Your plan sounds like a good one. Best of luck to you.

You all are very sweet and I hope I can understand this. For most of my life it never really bothered me, but eventually all the pain you conceal in that small maelstrom in your gut has to come wrenching back up. I hope to understand it instead of letting it make me something ugly.

I have been thru so many terrible, terrible things that hurt so badly I feel sick to think about it. But know this. You have not done anything to "deserve "life's harshness. I had to come to this conclusion just last year and I am 40! The lowest points of life seem like they will never pass when we go are going tru them, yet they do pass away. The bible has the 23rd psalm,"yea though I WALK THROUGH the valley, etc... " Walk, keep on walking, and don't stop because if you get hung up on one place in life, how do you make it thru to the other side. Life is beautiful, but I had to learn that on my own by being shaped by it. Somehow the pain dulls, you reflect and get wiser.Karma, ...God/Goddess..., I don't know?! But who I am is a direct result of where I 've been. Blessed be, Dani.

Depends on what your perspective of good is....Even bad people think they are doing good...Hitler thought he was ridding the world of evil..so my first question stands...

To me good has been something that doesn't hurt anyone, though this is a very flimsy definition I know T.T

Right on, especially if one has the brains and courage to work it out. If not, a misfortune could easily become one's cage in this lifetime. What most people forget (or too lazy to think about and do) is that we always have a choice, in every situation.

That's the one thing I definetely have working for me; the spirit to always fight through the darkest of things. I haven't ever seen myself give up, and thats something good.

I agree wholeheartedly, unfortunately we usually only realize the options that were really open to us, much later in life, after said event is nothing but a bad memory.

People who are never tested, never learn anything.

Sorry, thats the school teacher in me.

But i do believe that not only do we learn by our experiences, in the end they define who we become.

Take what comes with courage, but also look at it from a variety of perspectives. Some times what appears to be S..t in our lives is really chocolate ice cream. We only learn to tell the difference by experience.

On a practical note, young people are often under the control of others. The older you get the more you will be responsible for your actions and consequences. Only then will you really be able to measure how life is treating the person you have choosen to be.

Yes, but you survived it, or else you wouldn't have the memory. Having that bad memory is a blessing in itself because it makes you humble, you grow, you learn to forgive, you learn in general, and so on. Therefore, whatever decision you made at that time was not wasted because the benefits keep going and going and going. I believe that if one is sincere, there are forces out there who are willing to help. And I just know deep down that God is full of love. We get profound insights, especially when we pray wholeheartedly.

So, making that first move is, in fact, one of the best options if one's heart is open to God, Universe..., because it will definitely lead to something good, I have no doubt about that. Sincerity is always the key. You cannot fake sincerity. It is either real, or phony sentiment.

I have many "bad" memories. But I'm very grateful now because they made me a better, open, compassionate, forgiving, loving, trusting-in-God person. Twenty-five years ago, I was a completely different person..., you have no idea. Living is not easy, but I've experienced enough "good" otherworldly situations to trust in God. I could never stress enough the power of sincere prayer, pilgrimage, and meditation. The thing is, most people don't pray enough. Also, see what's presented in front of you, always. But, many don't want to read signs.

Yes, that is good, Surrian7. And God is always with you, don't ever forget.