Yes, that was my point. If you read the very first thread in this topic he stated that dinosaurs were around for billions of years - I hope it was clear in my last post that I was pointing out he was very wrong and evidence suggests dinos were alive for about 175-225 million years. Thats all, I just want to make it clear that I was not saying they were around for billions of years, I know better than that.

Thank the Lord you aren't one of the crazy fanatics. I study Dinosaurs and other Archosaurs avidly, and I know the only things with a backbone that existed before the Dinosaurs rose in the Triassic, were Amphibians, Herpatiles, and Fish.

The term herpetiles means amphibians and reptiles collectively.

And you may need to study a little more avidly. The Therapsids - formerlly called "mammal-like reptiles" are no longer considered by many to be either.

And even if they are, they are just as much "reptile-like mammals" as they are "mammal-like reptiles." The convention of calling them reptiles at all comes from theory, not from any particular fossil finding concerning them.

Harte

Hmmm...another one Are you a PhD too? lol

Thank you.

as far as we can tell life was never wiped out. and if it was there is NO law that says humans (or intelligent life) would always evolve

Good points and as far as origin of life, I still agree with my originial thoughts that it all could have occurred in an evolutional way but have really just broadened my horizons on the basis it is just a hypothesis. I think the Miller-Urey experiments showed that it could happen but once again amino acids are not life so I hesitate to state an absolute on anything really in general. As you say DNA has not been synthesised but I am open to the possibility it did happen in the way thought to. I will admit it is all a bit complicated for me to fully understand. I'd like to point out that I do think evolution of animals and plants has happened in the course of life as we know it and I appreciate how hard it is to replicate things when the atmosphere and such was completely different. Evolution is bound to occur naturally in any state simply because of the changing environments that the Earth has gone through in it's lifetime. I can also entertain the thought that life did pop up like this and then the aliens came after that as I think it highly unlikely that they would have come here if the Earth had absolutely nothing here so I am placing alien intervention between evolutionists view of origin of life via the 'warm pond' as mentioned by Darwin but before the evolution of dinosaurs from amphibians. You may notice I contradict myself sometimes but it's simply because I'm so unsure of things and have many thoughts in my head going on, I have no real set in stone belief but a multitude of many I am trying to decipher and place in accordance with what I feel could have happened. Can you imagine what a human will evolve into given the same time amphibians evolved into mammals? Mind bending stuff. The chicken or the egg? Hmmmm well if life cannot come from non life I'd say it does need something to make it but if the warm little pond can be seen as the chicken....

When I first wrote I think intelligent life came before dinosaurs I placed many of my ideas into this and looked to see how I could compromise them into my answer. By intelligent life I guess it is referring to humans but intelligent life could be many things, dinosaurs from what I have read were not overly intelligent anyway so I could say yes and be meaning smaller reptiles before them, quite intelligent creatures some small reptiles but I am referring to a human form or could it be an alien form, see what I mean, definition is very hard for me as too much comes into the equation, my mind thinks not in black and white but many shades of grey. What I thought yesterday can be different from what I think today depending on new information I have. Anyways...........
I am very interested in the link about Neanderthal DNA, thanks for that, I will keep updated on that one for sure. From what I know also unless a species has 100% DNA offspring won't be able to reproduce, but I have not really looked into that much, just from what I know about donkeys and asses can mate but the offspring, the mule cannot reproduce. By the way I did check out the KT link and you know, I think it makes sense.
On to Raelianism, I checked it out at first as simply a new learning experience, not to be one or anything but to know what it's all about. If you are truly interested in learning stuff you should go to their website Raelian Movement where you can download Free Raels 3 books condensed into 1 and browse it, unless you do you can just not grasp the whole concept. Many have said oh I wouldn't bother when I've suggested it, but why not??? It is a learning experience, to me it's like reading any other book, to get an understanding. Nothing I could say would help you understand it unless you read it for yourself. Many people have also said it's a rip off of Sitchins book but it simply is not, Rael published his French version 2 years before Sitchins 12th Planet came out but because the English version was released the same year it is thought of this way. I've read whole websites devoted to this which are just wrong because they have gotten the facts wrong in the first place. Cults such as Heavens Gate, Jonestown, Davidians and others are/were Jesus based, I think that's where they get too dark. The Elohim contacted Rael, it is similar to what the Catholic Church and Christianity tells because it is the same in context, it's HOW you interpret it that's different and a big part of why I cannot simply dismiss it, look how much these faiths and others are ingrained into society, why? I ask myself, because it's the same story but until recently UFO's and aliens were so foreign they were interpreted as Gods. Raels books have ideas for world peace, who else is doing that? He tells us via instruction from the Elohim how to achieve this and is in fact involved in many excellent causes. What other religions have an agenda but their own?? None that I can think of. I actually have my own thread on here titled Are You Really A Raelian? The ideas Raelians put forth are definitely worth consideration, forget their creation theory and cloning, read about what they are trying to do to lead us to world peace. Once again, if you are really into learning you should have a read of Raels books, otherwise you will just be an ignoramus like many others I come across, you don't have to believe it or anything, just open your eyes up and learn something new. I like your last paragraph about fossils, craetion, large Kangaroos and extinct marsupials in Australia have fascinated me, I have a couple of books on that too, The Antipodean Ark is excellent and I am not that far from Riversleigh and hope to visit there one day, maybe we can continue that discussion further down the line. Thats about it for me tonight.

It sure is pretty hard to fathom. I tend to read most things 3 or 4 times at the very least to make sure I am getting it all in.
From the descriptions here, I take the ideal to be that an intelligent race with the likes of Elevators and Ipods wandering around this baked earth in the Hadeon era. There is more than enough evidence to show how life developed on earth...

Your idea though seems a great deal broader. It is not entirely out of the question to consider that we may have recieved a visitor that dropped off some outer-space bacteria, even so, it still points to evolution being the standard for developing creatures from said bacteria, and therefore the most likely process that has given the earth the amazing array of beings that reside on it today, and if we evolved that much, it is not really much of a stretch to say that life began that way as well...

4 Billion yars later it's still here, typing away at a keybord. Sometimes I wonder if we have evolved for the better, it might be more fun to be partying in the wolds biggest pool of goo.

That's what I originally gathered as well.
The panspermia hypothesis is something else again (and far more reasonable than the original hypothesis IMO).
Sounds pretty cool. Let's party!(click)

KNBC called the annual Raëlian seminars "a cross between a nudist camp and new-age retreat".

The Raëlian idea that children should have a sensual education that includes masturbation, breathing exercise, and massage explains this controversy. For this reason, Swiss authorities have denied Raël a home in Switzerland.

The typical Raëlian denounces sexual intercourse between a minor and an adult and supports sex between adults on the condition that it is consensual. Nevertheless, Raëlians encourage minors who have attained puberty to have sexual contact among themselves

weareallsuckers, I have downloaded the raelian book, and will read it. I have tp admit on first investigations, I am rather uneasey at the cults concepts and "religious retreats"
At which point I thought i may be no more than adult entertainment for those that go into that sort of thing, but this passage I read rather concerns me
I dunno, why would sex be so important to and advanced race, and encouraging minors is not acceptable for any reason. The main media agenda seems to be cloning which kind of contradicts the above? How do Human pleasures attain world peace? I am just rambling I suppose, it's just a bit of a suprise. Perhaps the big picture will clear this up, although at this point in time, I doubt it. I don't see this ideal as being any sort of answer, it sounds more destructive to the development of the human race than of any benefit to it. I shall search for a thread to take ths discussion up in depth when I have read the book(s) as promised. Sorry to say I am not off to the best start with the ideal. The parrallels with the Christian Bible seem to be more of a comfort thing to help converts.

any race that could evacuate an entire population (or even colonize another planet) could very likly get rid o the asteriod threat..

the ica stones are very likely hoaxes...

Perhaps an ancient technologically advanced race of humans existed before the dinosaurs, and before a comet hit our planet, they evacuated and moved to another planet somewhere in the distant universe. They could be coming back to keep us from harming ourselves via nuclear war and such.

I'm glad you bought those issues up actually because I did some looking in this subject when I first heard of these things. I thought Rael summed it up pretty good here in what their aims are in these areas:

"We can always write a law to forbid the rain from falling, but it will still rain. What we need, like all the sex therapists around the world have stated, is to make sexual education courses in schools more elaborate so that these experiences do not lead to pregnancies that are never desired and to encourage the use of condoms. This is what our teachings recommend when we talk about teaching sensuality as well as sexuality to adolescents. It definitely does not encourage pedophilia or incest. When these topics are discussed by sex therapists they all agree that it is science-related. But if WE say it, it's considered an encouragement to pedophilia! We must fight against this ill-intentioned mental confusion. And the only way to fight against it is to not tolerate any pedophile in our organization and to report them all, just like we strive to denounce pedophile Catholic priests. We can criticize them only if we have swept thoroughly in front of our own door. This is what we do and must continue to do with vigilance!
Rael

Once again many of these sorts of things get blown out of proportion and end up sounding 'evil'.
It's mainly sexual awareness with moralistic attitudes towards contraception, responsibility and knowledge about your sexual self which isn't that bad a thing. It's not about encouraging underage sex or paedophilia. Your perceptions are unfounded and based on exaggerations to make them appear unmoralistic.
You may also note the Federal Court in Switzerland exonerated the 3 Raelians:

"Following upon the complaint of 40 Genevese priests, 3 Raelians had been condemned in Geneva in 2002. The Swiss Federal Court has just reversed this judgement, saying that the words used in their contrversial leaflet are neither "completely unfounded" nor "defamatory" to Catholic priests as a whole.

Information extracted from the newspaper La Liberté of Saturday, December 13, 2003, page 10, article: "RAEL WINS HIS APPEAL IN CONNECTION WITH THE PAEDOPHILES PRIESTS ", Lausanne.

The Federal Court exonerates three Raelians who had distributed leaflets inviting parents to protect children against the behaviour of the clergy.

The story goes back to April 2001. Three members of the Raelian Movement had deposited in the mail boxes of several Genevese households a leaflet inviting the parents to stop sending their children to catechism in order to protect them from paedophilia. The leaflet affirmed in particular that the risks of sexual abuse were statistically more important among Catholic priests than among the general population. In addition, it accused the Catholic hierarchy of protecting paedophile priests under cover of the secret of confession. Forty Genevese priests, including the local auxiliary bishop, Mgr Pierre Farine, had lodged a complaint for "racial discrimination". The Genevese police court had agreed with them and had condemned the three Raelians in December 2002 to a suspended sentence of two months of prison. By a ruling made on Monday and disclosed on December 12, 2003, the Federal Court just overturned this decision and granted a compensation of 3000 francs to the three Raelians."
You can catch up more here: http://www.nopedo.org/en/files/switzerland.html

ALSO I think it would be more appropriate to move this particular discussion to my own raelian thread here: http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...c=95732&hl= since I feel we are getting way off topic here, I'd like to respond to some other points too there, so I would be interested in any more thoughts you have

Thanks for the link see you there.

Actually carbon dating is virtually no use at all on any object older than 70,000 years. Similar techniques are used, using the radioactive decay of other isotopes:

Source: Accuracy of Fossils and Dating Methods By Michael Benton

oh really???hoaxes???
there are about 5000 of them

alexpap,

There may be 5,000 Ica Stones, but only a tiny, tiny fraction of this number show anything anomalous that applies under this particular thread topic. And most of those are subject to interpretation. The rest are certainly hoaxed. People have admitted it.

Harte

Anybody would confess to doing something if they were threatened to be incarcerated for life.

Spanish investigator Vicente Paris, after four years of investigation, offered in 1998 new evidence that supports that the stones are a hoax. Among the proofs presented by this investigator were microphotographs of the stones that showed traces of modern paints and sandpaper.

I have been wondering about this question for a long time.

Did intelligent life exist before the dinosaurs age?

We have been told the earth is 4.5 billion years old and the dinosaurs existed for a billions of years. We often forget that scientist reach this conclusion based on little evidence.

Could Aliens be products of Earths past?

What do you think?

It is highly likely that there are advanced civilizations that are millions, hundreds of millions, or even billions of years more advanced than mankind. After all, there are advanced machines flying around that exihibit advanced technology that we have yet to grasp and use in our everyday lives.

You only have to look at the kinds of propulsion systems the military is currently using on its latest generation of aircraft and missiles and the type of systems on the drawing boards of the military's projects of tomorrow.

Possible that anothe civilisations exists, yes.

We already know that from the UFOs in question that have been flying around in our atmosphere for centuries.

Frustrating, isn't it? I've taught various science related subjects for 30 odd years and I can't tell you the number of times someone has come along and "re-defined" the scientific method for me! In these situations simply keep cool and stand firm, there's not much else one can do.

Maybe the Dinasoars did evolve into Thinking animals? Perhaps a climate change forced them to flee the earth maybe the structures were destroyed in a Nuclear war, or asteriod collision.

Derr. Alinteans were here 400 million years ago.

JKS

Hi, whats an Alintean?

No need to answer, I just read your posts.

Alintean's 400 million years ago.

What the heck is this???? :hu:

Were Alintean's animals, minerals or vegetables?

Are you refering to the works Plato used to illustrate his political theories? That wasn't a real place.

Well, if it indeed true that aliens "seeded" us, then obviously they may have been around at the Earth's very inception and the moment it first started harboring life at all. So, yeah.

There are not huge holes in the evolutionary record, much as some would like you to believe this.

Perhaps not in the record, but certainly the theory - unless you can come up with a stellar reason why one species out of nearly 27 million develops the ability to consistently walk upright, crafts and uses tools, harnesses the power of fire, and becomes nearly the sole instigator of nearly every social and environmental crisis the planet has ever known since the dinosaurs. I'll place my bet on Deus Ex Machina when it comes to our provenance, thank you.

JM, find me a single species that is able to manufacture and use any tool made of composite materials (especially metal) to the degree we do. If you can answer that, then you're trolling. Bye.

Tool used by primate mammals. Animals can be said to possess a level of cognition based upon their use of tools for problem solving, an endeavor previously considered the sole domain of humans

The key word is 'craft'. Any species can strip a few leaves and twigs or pick up a rock for crying out loud.

The key word is 'craft'. Any species can strip a few leaves and twigs or pick up a rock for crying out loud.

We do notice that there have been many mass extinctions, caused by earth being hit by comets or asteroids, enough to leave behind the knowledge that almost everything was wiped out to start anew...

But there is only evidence to support that one such event happened, so serious that all of the dinosaurs died out. There may have probably been other such events prior to it, but probably on a smaller scale. Most mass extinctions are due to "natural" changes on the planet - changes that an advanced species, living before humans, would most likely overcome. Unless, of course, they were not as advanced as we are (due to all kinds of factors).

There could have been, however, some kind of event that forced civilization off this planet and into space, but again, that is pure speculation.

Here you go:
http://park.org/Canada/Museum/extinction/massextinc.html

If we were facing the event of an asteroid or comet colliding with the earth, we would definitely wish to escape the earth, once you have left the earth you would likely search for a new home or perhaps wait out the "cleansing". Perhaps to return once again.

Of course this is all theory and speculation, as something like an asteroid/comet hitting the earth would definitely erase quite a bit of our evidence that we ever lived on the surface of the world.

The "evidence" I am presenting is based on the fact that "we" are the evidence for 65 million years of evolution beyond a mass extinction period.
Even if it took 130 million (double) the amount of time to evolve an intelligent species, the earth has had ample time to produce (at least 1 other) another race and civilization as advanced or more advanced as we are.

Of course this is all theory and speculation, as something like an asteroid/comet hitting the earth would definitely erase quite a bit of our evidence that we ever lived on the surface of the world.