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archangel_josh
QUOTE (brave_new_world @ May 19 2008, 09:05 PM) *
I agree but but I disagree that no-experience is nothing. No experience is something which is no experience. It still doesnt explain what nothing is because if it can be explain and defined then it is something that has definition.


Okay, you're dealing in philosophy now, whereas I'm talking about physical experience.

If we want to be philosophical about it, no experience is something. But it's not something that's being experience by the person. That person no longer exists. Their cells have broken down and their atoms have flown off in the wind.

It's like saying that those people who won't be born until 2015 are experiencing their 'nothingness' now.

It's like saying that those people who are dead are experiencing their 'nothingness' now.

-Josh
brave_new_world
QUOTE (archangel_josh @ May 20 2008, 10:51 AM) *
Okay, you're dealing in philosophy now, whereas I'm talking about physical experience.

If we want to be philosophical about it, no experience is something. But it's not something that's being experience by the person. That person no longer exists. Their cells have broken down and their atoms have flown off in the wind.

It's like saying that those people who won't be born until 2015 are experiencing their 'nothingness' now.

It's like saying that those people who are dead are experiencing their 'nothingness' now.

-Josh


It was always posed as a philosophical question. On a physical level they are also something because as far as science is concered energy cant be created or destroyed. So even then we are something.
archangel_josh
QUOTE (brave_new_world @ May 20 2008, 09:27 PM) *
It was always posed as a philosophical question. On a physical level they are also something because as far as science is concered energy cant be created or destroyed. So even then we are something.


I agree that when we die our physical bodies (made of atoms) will disperse and part of my nose will become a part of the soil. Out of this soil will grow grass that contains some of my atoms. When a cow eats this grass, my atoms will go into it's stomach and nourish it. This food will then become a part of the energy it takes for it to 'MOO'. Then the atoms that were a part of me will become part of the soundwave of that 'MOO' which will be carried in the wind....

Do you see that atoms are infinite in time? Every single atom that makes you up has been somewhere else before. Because energy cannot be created or destroyed (like you said), then this stands to reason that atoms have always been around and that there was no creation of the universe (I believe that the universe is infinite in time and space - it had no beginning and will have no end in time - and that it goes on forever without borders).

-Josh
brave_new_world
QUOTE (archangel_josh @ May 21 2008, 10:36 AM) *
I agree that when we die our physical bodies (made of atoms) will disperse and part of my nose will become a part of the soil. Out of this soil will grow grass that contains some of my atoms. When a cow eats this grass, my atoms will go into it's stomach and nourish it. This food will then become a part of the energy it takes for it to 'MOO'. Then the atoms that were a part of me will become part of the soundwave of that 'MOO' which will be carried in the wind....

Do you see that atoms are infinite in time? Every single atom that makes you up has been somewhere else before. Because energy cannot be created or destroyed (like you said), then this stands to reason that atoms have always been around and that there was no creation of the universe (I believe that the universe is infinite in time and space - it had no beginning and will have no end in time - and that it goes on forever without borders).

-Josh


I agree that the universe is infinite as well.
Lt_Ripley
QUOTE (archangel_josh @ May 20 2008, 10:36 PM) *
I agree that when we die our physical bodies (made of atoms) will disperse and part of my nose will become a part of the soil. Out of this soil will grow grass that contains some of my atoms. When a cow eats this grass, my atoms will go into it's stomach and nourish it. This food will then become a part of the energy it takes for it to 'MOO'. Then the atoms that were a part of me will become part of the soundwave of that 'MOO' which will be carried in the wind....

Do you see that atoms are infinite in time? Every single atom that makes you up has been somewhere else before. Because energy cannot be created or destroyed (like you said), then this stands to reason that atoms have always been around and that there was no creation of the universe (I believe that the universe is infinite in time and space - it had no beginning and will have no end in time - and that it goes on forever without borders).

-Josh


too bad science doesn't see it that way. Actually eventually the universe does die out. Stars will use up their energy ,eventually there will not be enough matter to make more. they will go out . black holes will be left yet eventually swallow each other up ....

it's a very cool process ( of course we will be long gone)

How the Universe Will End
Scientists think they know how the universe began, but what happens at the other end of the space—time continuum was a deep, dark mystery—until now

THE FATE OF THE COSMOS
That means that the 100 billion or so galaxies we can now see though our telescopes will zip out of range, one by one. Tens of billions of years from now, the Milky Way will be the only galaxy we're directly aware of (other nearby galaxies, including the Large Magellanic Cloud and the Andromeda galaxy, will have drifted into, and merged with, the Milky Way).

By then the sun will have shrunk to a white dwarf, giving little light and even less heat to whatever is left of Earth, and entered a long, lingering death that could last 100 trillion years—or a thousand times longer than the cosmos has existed to date. The same will happen to most other stars, although a few will end their lives as blazing supernovas. Finally, though, all that will be left in the cosmos will be black holes, the burnt-out cinders of stars and the dead husks of planets. The universe will be cold and black.

But that's not the end, according to University of Michigan astrophysicist Fred Adams. An expert on the fate of the cosmos and co-author with Greg Laughlin of The Five Ages of the Universe (Touchstone Books; 2000), Adams predicts that all this dead matter will eventually collapse into black holes. By the time the universe is 1 trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion years old, the black holes themselves will disintegrate into stray particles, which will bind loosely to form individual "atoms" larger than the size of today's universe. Eventually, even these will decay, leaving a featureless, infinitely large void. And that will be that—unless, of course, whatever inconceivable event that launched the original Big Bang should recur, and the ultimate free lunch is served once more.

http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101010625/story.html
brave_new_world
QUOTE (Lt_Ripley @ May 21 2008, 09:55 PM) *
too bad science doesn't see it that way. Actually eventually the universe does die out. Stars will use up their energy ,eventually there will not be enough matter to make more. they will go out . black holes will be left yet eventually swallow each other up ....

it's a very cool process ( of course we will be long gone)


Actually according to quantum physics all energy is indestructible. It cannot be created or destroyed. Matter is simply energy at a slower condensed vibration. Energy can chance but not be destroyed. Even if the universe is cold and black then that too is something!!
archangel_josh
QUOTE (brave_new_world @ May 21 2008, 11:47 PM) *
Actually according to quantum physics all energy is indestructible. It cannot be created or destroyed. Matter is simply energy at a slower condensed vibration. Energy can chance but not be destroyed. Even if the universe is cold and black then that too is something!!


Exactly what I was going to say! Plus, just because our part of the universe will have exhausted itself doesn't mean that the whole thing has. Those ET's that created us have said that they can live forever (with cloning and memory/brainwave transfer) and that they can detect signs of aging in the universe and know when it's time to move on from this part of it).

The universe is infinite, meaning that there will always be a place to sustain life.

-Josh
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