Please see the videos below:

1. Ancient UFO paintings
2. Ancient Astronauts part 1
3. Ancient Astronauts part 2
4. Alien Engineering part 1/10 Link together ten parts vid.

All are in our history.

The big question is: "what do they want from us?"

They want nothing. Never having been here, "they" they don't even know we exist.

Harte

Okay, look up a book under the name of "Chariots of the Gods" by Erik von Daniken. Spelling might be wrong though...


Hes one of the fathers of the theory that Aliens visited the earth and our ancestors.

"They want nothing. Never having been here, "they" they don't even know we exist.

Harte "


Lol ... there is no way to know that. You are the first one "they" are abducting when they come back. I'd say it's gonna hurt so sleep with a tube of lube in your pocket. .

We can't say for sure if they exist or not, but what we can say is that there are definitely some unexplainable things which happen and with so many people claiming to see some of these things, it's hard not to think that there's something out there. But of course that's just my opinion and if you feel better thinkin that there's nothin out there but us, then feel free to do so , nothing wrong with that either.


Cheers,

Gene

Gene,

Let me point out that I didn't make the statements to which it appears you are responding.

Harte

^ so you were implying that.......?

and before that he was a Hotel worker who was facing trial for theft
whats your point

while youre trying to decide what it is heres some reviews for Chariots of the gods from Amazon
this ones for all you die hard alien club members


ad this is for people who have a little more common sense




finally I'd like to point out that Erichs mystery park is no longer operating
this is because most people in general are not that gullible they want to pay for nonsense when the sci fi channel is much better value for money

Satixus Inc. hey nice finds man, the first vid really good. ive only seen about half of those paintings and the others were pretty interesting. i mean, these people had to get the ideas from somewhere

yes.........and whats your point? that hes a thief and therefore hes a crazy delusional maniac with an overactive imagination? thus making anything he says or does instantly garbage and impossible to be true.
kinda pigeonholing people there man. just saying because they were convicted of an offence theyre crazy. thats not very nice now is it?

you don't think that he is a convicted criminal fraudster and theft and spent time in jail for those offences has any bearing on claims he makes later ?


how about you actually do some research and check out just what it is that he was saying, I'd love to see someone try to defend his position that the nazca lines for instance were built as runways for intergalactic motherships
heres what he actually said about it
now any first year english student should be able to tell you whats wrong with statements like that
first he claims that the builders of the lines know enough about the workings of an intergalactic spaceship to know their landing requirements and then he says that they may have had no idea what they were doing........but then again maybe they did"
its speculation of the highest order
the reality is that the dark stones that line the figures rest on a lighter coloured sandy soil. so anything olanding on them larger than a station wagon is going to leave a huge mess. But of course Erich doesnt bother to mention this because it would make his earlier claim look foolish. as it is the facts that his readers and supporters don't know about his claims frequently makes idiots of them instead. but Erichs ok he made millions from this kind of pseudohistory, as you said he prcatically invented it........
btw this excerpt i am typing in from my mint condition hardback 1971 copy of "chariots of the gods" so saying I am maligning his work for any other reason apart from that it is on the whole complete rubbish is doing me an injustice


so when you actually know what he was saying heres a challenge for you
take any little piece of Danikens theory and post it here with undeniable truth that hes right about it
that way you won't have to worry about his credibility
we'll all just have to worry about yours
shall we say if you can't find anything in seven days you'll post "ok so I was wrong"
cheers
btw Fidelity, Bravery, and Integrity
three qualities that Erich doesnt have

ok, please...please dont ever wink at me again. for the love of god. its damn creepy coming from you *shivers*
secondly half of what you responded to had nothing to do with what i was saying. i was just asking you what your point was about him being a hotel worker on trial for theft, and you seeming to judge him soley based on that. which isnt fair, seeing as none of us know him on a personal level.
now just because of his theft trial you seemed to be using it as an arguement for not believing any of what he says. now, do i believe in everything hes said? pfft. no. seeing as ive only read some of it. i take it into consideration though because its possibile. but thats not why i was in this forum anyways, i just decided to stop you from judging people based on a situation there in. (trying to do you a favour and give a life lesson. but apparently you just wanted to try to argue that i claimed hes the smartest man and speaks the absolute truth because he knows all ). but then you had to bring up the nazca lines and ask me to defend him for some reason, despite the fact i never mentioned it, because i didnt really believe that part of his writings, but whatever.
anywho, all his theory really states is that he believes aliens could have visited us in the past. which could make sense. seeing as how None of us were alive back then, so it could go either way because we dont know for sure. and because of all the depictions of other worldly beings in paintings, stories and other objects. like disks in the air, balls of fire and light, strange looking people they put into the paintings. The "gods" visiting certain cultures. so obvisously everyone would be inclined to read his theory, sit and think about it, and not listen to you. sure they have their own opinions. but seeing as you dont much of an arguement. all youve said is you think i live my life by his work, and you try to get me to defend his theories about things i never even mentioned (due to the fact im skeptical about some) and that hes wrong. so heres a challenge for you, give some unrefutable evidence his theory is bull.....basically you cant. you can just say your opinion and that hes wrong. which is fine, i dont care.
p.s. im writing this excerpt in from my mint condition hardback 1971 copy of "chariots of the gods" as well
cheers my friend. im heading back over to the ufo and crypto forums though. ill catch ya later on there

O ok cuz that made lik alot of cents right?

nope
Im saying he started off as a convicted fraudster and seeing as I have looked into every detail of his claims and know they are all rubbish written for the easily gullibled (is that a word, if not it should be) that I would offer you the benefit of my wisdom
but seeing as you admit you havent read much of his work I guess you would know far better than me what is credible and isnt because as you say you have an "open mind"
did you even know he weas a convicted criminal before I posted it ?
do i take your support of his criminal activity as evidence that you are also a criminal
i don't understand
if thats true how did you get pastthe F.B.I's vetting procedure
sorry I creeped you out by winking
heres a laughing at you out loud instead


one thing
if what you say is even remotely true and we can't know what happened in the past because none of us lived that long ago what are archaeologists getting paid for ?
what about Anthropologists
historians ?
geologists
archaeo astronomers
what about all those people who have spent time and effort finding out the truth (yes I agree not people like you)
are they all lying and only Erich knows the truth because of his experience as a hotel worker ?


as for irrefutable evidence that Erich is wrong
how about his claim that Nazca is an alien spaceship landing ground and yet the surface wouldn't support any large weights upon it without leaving a lot of evidence of which there is none
you don't think thats irrefutable ?

hmmm
let me try another approach
how old are you and how long have you been studying reality ?

made perfect sense to me I'm from the planet Mongo

I didn't imply anything at all. I came right out and said it, didn't I?
Let me repeat it (with grammatical correction):

Now, by "they" I mean the ancient astronauts.

By "never" I mean not at any time.

By "been" I mean occupied or coincided with what physicist refer to as a space-time "event," specifically an event in or on our planet.

And, of course, by "here" I mean on Earth.

No implications. Perfectly clear. Yet Gene seemed to think I was saying that there was no life anywhere but on Earth.

That's a rather obvious straw man, much easier to shoot down than the fact that there is simply no evidence of any ancient visitation of Earth by any alien species whatsoever - in the past or even today.

Harte

Can you prove that?

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and before that he was a Hotel worker who was facing trial for theft
whats your point

Im tempted to post in the names of all the qualifed reputable scientists who have been exposed as thieves, frauds and utterly immoral scumbags in just the last ten years lol

Here's a "proof" (you already know how I feel about that word in this context):

Absence of evidence is the only evidence of absence.

There is a complete absence of evidence for ancient astronauts, so that in itself is evidence for their absence from our timeline.

In the real world, there is not one thing that can be proven. There is only evidence. In the case of the ancient astronauts, there is a complete absence of any and all possible evidence whatsoever.

Hence, they were never here.

Now, if that doesn't satisfy, why then I'll be glad to follow any guideline you can come up with for me to "prove" a negative. As long as it's valid, that is.

Harte

By 'evidence' you mean physical evidence. Many an innocent man has gone to the gallows thru that philosophy horatio. You demand physical evidence where you know there is none and it is this that you use as your primary weapon. We can now view the heavens in extraordinary detail and although we see no evidence of their being intelligent life on any of the millions of worlds, can you say for certain that there really is no life on them because you have no physical evidence?
The evidence may not be physical in nature had the visitors left no physical evidence of their passing only the experience of those who witnessed their presence and attempted to record what they saw in their own written gospels. So if we consider the anecdotal evidence then we find a rich seam from all cultures. Humankind has existed on this world for more than one million years and if ,in all that time Earth has not received a visit from other intelligent life from the universe, then logic dictates that there may actually be no intelligent life out there, only us.

When I say evidence, I'm not talking about courtroom evidence. But even if I was, there's not enough of any kind of evidence to even bring this case to court. Much less get anyone convicted.


This "anecdotal evidence" you mentionhas to be viewed through a skewed mindset before it will even begin to take the form of evidence at all. There is nothing at all in any written record anywhere that appears on it's face to be anecdotal evidence of ancient astronauts - at least, not to the truly objective investigator.


Your logic, perhaps. Not normal, logical, logic.
It's an incredible burden, crossing a hundred thousand light years. And that's just our own Galactic diameter - give or take. In order to even say what you said here, you have to first pretend that this can be done.

How you can make the "logical" leap from "No one's visited us in a million years" to "no one exists anywhere in the Universe except us" is illustrative of why your claim about anecdotal "evidence" in "gospels"(???) falls darn flat.

Harte

well Harte, seeing as he didnt say that, what you said doesnt mean anything. because you change what people say to suit your arguement. he stated "then logic dictates that there may actually be no intelligent life out there, only us."

so basically, all it is, is saying - IF no one has visited in over a million years, then its possible we May be the only intelligent life forms out there. read it properly next time.

so your statement above seems to have 'fallen darn flat'

^ he never claimed that no one has visited us, and we are the only intelligent ones out there, as you said he did.

He said:

If - Then.

Can you recognize this sort of statement? Are you in agreement with such "logic?"

I did not say that he made such a claim. I said his logic wasn't logical.

I din't change a single word he said. If you cannot recognize this simple obvious fact, then you have a real problem.

However, I suspect that you have recognized it, yet you, for your own reasons, have insisted on skewing the truth. Possibly in order that you may be able to make some derogatory comment or other.

A wise man speaks because he has something to say, a fool because he has to say something.

Harte

alas harte....you are leading all down the path to evangelism thru your stoic demand for physical evidence. You see Harte, if you are correct in that this earth has never been visited by intelluigent life from other worlds and that intelligent life indeed does not exist beyond our own world then again one must ask if our creation could possibly have been an accident given the odds against it which of course brings us to only one conclusion: it wasnt, it couldnt have we have no evidence that proves conclusively that humankind came about by a confusion of natural phenomena the odds against which occurring are in the trillions to one, if such odds exist at all. We must then, be the product of another agency. Which brings us neatly back to God.

laughable
the odds that life on this planet was created by evolutionary accident has got to be far far lower than the idea that life was created on this planet in seven days anlong with the planet itself by a god who by his own confesion is extra terrestrial and that every race on earth is descended from a semitic sailor less than 4000 years ago and the only evidence for any of this is from a middle eastern cult religon which wrote a book to explain its place in the universe just to itselves (later convoluted) but only after its entire race was enslaved by a religion that believed in many gods and had a much richer cultural history which includes most of the stories that later turn up acclaimed originals in its own book
like if you are so correct how good is YHWH when he was beaten by the pantheistic babylonians without saying anything about the architect of that slavery (Nebuchadrezzar) who according to Jewish tradition was insane (iirc thats exactly what Galtieri claimed about the conservative govt of the UK during the falklands conflict when he heard that the British had sent a task force)


clearly you have an agenda
if I were to put a name to that Agenda I would call it ignorance
other people might call it faith
but thats just them

Fantazum,

You know full well I've never, ever said this. So why are you putting words in my mouth? Is that part of your Creationist agenda, or are you too feeble to argue against anything but straw men like this one you've constructed?


Harte

Well, if life was created thru a simple confusion of natural elements under the right conditions then it should be quite simple to reproduce those conditions in the laboratory and create life. Do that Harte and you will have the conclusive physical evidence you seek. Until that day arrives I reserve the right to question the true origin of life on Earth.

you are showing a total lack of understanding
for those conditions to be replicated in a lab you would require an experiment duration of several million years

if you want to know how life is created then simply ask your mother

now question for you as you seem to be an expert

how do you get all the different sub species of mankind from a semitic sailor in less than 4000 years ?
or if thats too difficult
why aren't you jewish, as clearly they are the only chosen people mentioned in the bible, your own religious text of choice says youre in the wrong religion
quick have the op and convert if youre that sure the bible is right
lol

Careful, your ego is getting the better of you and people are starting to snigger..especially if thats the best reply you can offer lol

ah right
so its just the typical paranoic trolling posters speech is it ?

btw I don't have much of an ego,
I find my intellect substitutes that when theres nothing to win or gain by being inflammatory just for the sake of an argument just fine

hmmm, interesting....if you had some kind of proof (other than your opinion) i may be persuaded into believing otherwise. like many others in the world