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GoddessWhispers
Why Can't We See God - A scientific explanation
God and Science Frank Lee Easter, 2005


Physicists have discovered the mechanism that prevents us from seeing the Kingdom of God by electromagnetic waves.


When I was a graduate student majoring in physics, I was an atheist. To me, God was a product of ignorance, due to lack of scientific knowledge. If people understood natural laws as well as physicists, they would not believe the existence of God. At that time, I did not know that most great physicists were God's believers, such as Newton, Kepler, Planck, Heisenberg and Einstein.

Ten years after I received a Ph.D. in physics, I became a Christian - not because I found any hard scientific evidence about God. Like most believers, I felt that there must be a God who had been guiding me, otherwise some events that had happened to me would not be so coincidental.

The existence of God was so real that I had been wondering: where could God be? why couldn't we see Him? how come modern technology could not detect God? Since I was trained in physics, I believed that all natural phenomena should have a physical explanation. If God really exists, these questions can be answered in terms of physical law. However, I did not know where or how to find the scientific answer. It might be impossible to know the answer at all.

In 2000, almost ten years after I became a Christian, I happened to read an article about string theory. My specialty was in biophysics, not in theoretical physics, but I had great interest in our universe - especially new concepts. The string theory just offered a completely new concept about our universe. After I read that article, I was thrilled. This must be it! God must be there! He could be only a centimeter away from us without being detected. Physicists have discovered the mechanism that prevents us from seeing the Kingdom of God!

The string theory has been developed for several decades, with a goal to become "the theory of everything", that is, to unify all four fundamental forces - gravity, electromagnetism, strong and weak nuclear forces. A revolutionary discovery of the theory is that the whole universe should have nine or ten dimensions of space, instead of three dimensions (length, width and height). Then, why do we see only three dimensions? In the earlier version of the string theory, it was assumed that those extra dimensions were too small to be observed. Thus, the whole universe is essentially the same as the 3D world. If this were true, there would be no place for God. Fortunately, a few years before 2000, researchers began to realize that those extra dimensions could be as large as the ordinary three dimensions. The reason why we cannot see extra dimensions is because all matter and electromagnetic waves (photons) are confined in a three dimensional sub-universe called "braneworld". (Continues)
Captain Kolak
Hmm... I may not have any degree.... or even finished school yet. But, I agree and disagree with you. Need to write this up nicely though. Might take some time.........................
Please Explain
It's hard to figure this out.
There are people who's been to another kingdom by just standing on a certain ground.

Is there a big instrument to manipulate this space of ours?

StarMountainKid
Why is God hiding in the other dimensions?
truethat
My son has the hands down best answer to this.

I've posted this many times on here but the title is perfect so hear goes.


One night my son, who I am raising Muslim even though I am an atheist, said to me "Why can't we see God?" and I paused not quite knowing what to say. "Because he doesn't exist wasn't really fair" so I stewed for a moment yammering stuff.

Then my son, who was five at the time looked at me coyly and said "I know why we can't see God" and I said "Why" and he said "Come here I'll show you" so I leaned in and closed my eyes as he'd asked me to do.

Then he set his little hand over my eyes and said "OK open your eyes, now.....can you see my hand?" which I couldn't really and then he answered fast "Sometimes when things are really close to us its hard for us to see them."

I've always thought this was an amazing answer for a five year old.....proud mama gloats.
RadicalGnostic
What will they think of next? I thought we couldn't see God or heaven was because they are non-physical. Shows my ignorance.
Gmac1000
like asking if bacteria can talk to a planet or does it even know where it is and where it all ends....the magnitued of a so called creater would not be able to comprehend itself to us..
SEI 312
QUOTE(StarMountainKid @ Jun 2 2007, 08:59 PM) [snapback]1706322[/snapback]
Why is God hiding in the other dimensions?


Exactly, if God has nothing to hide then why doesnt he live under a microscope in CIA Headquarters?
Agent. Mulder
QUOTE(SEI 312 @ Jun 3 2007, 04:56 PM) [snapback]1706952[/snapback]
Exactly, if God has nothing to hide then why doesnt he live under a microscope in CIA Headquarters?


.....possibly because hes not real
but who knows, anyones guess is as good as mine
fullywired
[quote name='GoddessWhispers' date='Jun 3 2007, 01:32 AM' post='1706226']
Why Can't We See God - A scientific explanation
God and Science Frank Lee Easter, 2005

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. At that time, I did not know that most great physicists were God's believers, such as Newton, Kepler, Planck, Heisenberg and Einstein.





I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954)


Agent. Mulder
QUOTE(fullywired @ Jun 3 2007, 07:12 PM) [snapback]1707178[/snapback]
. At that time, I did not know that most great physicists were God's believers, such as Newton, Kepler, Planck, Heisenberg and Einstein.
I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954)


oh...so thats why no one can see him
chaoszerg
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Why cant we see God?



Because every time we try and find God, He/She/It pokes us in the eyes every time.
fullywired
QUOTE(Agent. Mulder @ Jun 3 2007, 08:44 PM) [snapback]1707229[/snapback]
oh...so thats why no one can see him




No it's just correcting a statement


ful;lywired
dlv
QUOTE(GoddessWhispers @ Jun 3 2007, 12:32 AM) [snapback]1706226[/snapback]
Why Can't We See God - A scientific explanation
God and Science Frank Lee Easter, 2005

This is best answered by a qualified person. Has anyone here seen God to answer this question? How about globally: Has anybody out there seen God? Just as I thought: NO ONE, WHATSOEVER.
MadMachine
I think God is you, me, your mom, those people over there, etc.

Too close, indeed. thumbsup.gif
dlv
QUOTE(MadMachine @ Jun 4 2007, 12:48 AM) [snapback]1707655[/snapback]
I think God is you, me, your mom, those people over there, etc.

Too close, indeed. thumbsup.gif

Are you sure about that, or did you read or hear about this? It sounds so Shirley Maclaine, passe New Agey.


"In the year 8510, God is gonna shake his mighty hand. He'll leave a silent place where man has been
Or tear it down and start again." -- VISAGE
MadMachine
dlv: Yes, I am sure about it. But that doesn't mean I want other people to believe it. It is just my point of view, after all.
I don't believe God is a separate, sentient being(s). wink2.gif

edit: Also, I don't know who Shirley Maclaine is, and I'm not a New Agey kinda person.
dlv
QUOTE(MadMachine @ Jun 4 2007, 01:02 AM) [snapback]1707671[/snapback]
dlv: Yes, I am sure about it. But that doesn't mean I want other people to believe it. It is just my point of view, after all.
I don't believe God is a separate, sentient being(s). wink2.gif

Since you put it that way, I respect your belief system. Peace.
Mr Walker
But one can see god if he so choses, and if we have open hearts and eyes that are willing to see.

I must admit that usually humans see an avatar or an aspect of god, but i think this is because we are not psychologically/culturally capable of seeing god rather than not physically able to. God has the ability to manipulate; time, energy, mass, and space, so even if he is normally in a "plane of existence" not viewable to humans, he is capable of altering; his nature, our vision, or the space time continuum between us so that when needed we (humans) can see him.
The Puzzler
So...then...aliens could live in these dimensions too????? Geez, I've been tryin' to tell people all along they are from another dimension! Seems I could be right and since I think God is the aliens I am right anyway it seems, hmm interesting.
seanph
Why is it that every god ever worshiped has failed to put in an appearance? IMHO ... Because they do not exist.

Sean
Agent. Mulder
QUOTE(weareallsuckers @ Jun 4 2007, 11:54 AM) [snapback]1708137[/snapback]
So...then...aliens could live in these dimensions too????? Geez, I've been tryin' to tell people all along they are from another dimension! Seems I could be right and since I think God is the aliens I am right anyway it seems, hmm interesting.


lol, ive been agreeing with that for a while.
ancient civilizations would claim that the "gods" came down from the heavens. sometimes with bright lights, balls and chariots of fire and what not.
Zartia
The Father is a spirit with NO body we are sprits with literal bodies.

The reason why we can not see the father is because he wants us to believe in something we can't see hence faith. Just like when Moses lead the israelites out of bondage in Egypt you see how when moses left to recieve the commandments and their was nothing they could associate with a "God" , so they made one out of an engraved image which angered the Father so much because the spirit knew that they did not have enough faith in him after all the miracles he produced in front of them but instead made an image for worship.

The Father wants us to have faith in him and it is the evidence of things not seen which is his spirit. So for people to say he doesen't exist because he doesn't show himself is not faith and without faith it is impossible to please him because the people who love him obey him by having faith.

This belief syestem/ faith seperates the good weeds from the bad weeds in his spiritual eyes everyone is not of him or for him these people are the people of a preverse race because they are spiritually lost.
Agent. Mulder
QUOTE(Zartia @ Jun 4 2007, 06:46 PM) [snapback]1708741[/snapback]
The Father is a spirit with NO body we are sprits with literal bodies.
The reason why we can not see the father is because he wants us to believe in something we can't see hence faith.
but instead made an image for worship.

The Father wants us to have faith in him and it is the evidence of things not seen which is his spirit. So for people to say he doesen't exist because he doesn't show himself is not faith and without faith it is impossible to please him because the people who love him obey him by having faith.

This belief syestem/ faith seperates the good weeds from the bad weeds in his spiritual eyes everyone is not of him or for him these people are the people of a preverse race because they are spiritually lost.


so people are spiritualy lost because they dont believe (or have faith) in something that someone made up a long time ago then? thats a little harsh when you make a statement like that about everyone else.
people say they cant see him, because hes not there. see, that makes sense. however, if people have 'faith' then apparently theyre able to beleive in it and see him. despite the fact hes not there.
but everyones entitled to beleive in it or not, so it doesnt matter.
(did you mean 'perverse'? because preverse isnt a word)
Zartia
QUOTE(Agent. Mulder @ Jun 4 2007, 07:20 PM) [snapback]1708815[/snapback]
so people are spiritualy lost because they dont believe (or have faith) in something that someone made up a long time ago then? thats a little harsh when you make a statement like that about everyone else.
people say they cant see him, because hes not there. see, that makes sense. however, if people have 'faith' then apparently theyre able to beleive in it and see him. despite the fact hes not there.
but everyones entitled to beleive in it or not, so it doesnt matter.
(did you mean 'perverse'? because preverse isnt a word)



Those who get offended are probably the ones the messiah prophesized about so your reply was expected.

Thanks for correcting me on my spelling error but I am glad you did know what I was speaking about.

I am not here to convert non believers into believers you believe what you want to believe ultimately the choice is up to the individual to make.

I did not mean to offend anyone but again if the shoe fits then they will be offended after all you can't have it both ways. Religion was made up a long time ago true enough however spirituallity was placed in our biological makeup since day one some of us choose to embrace it some of us dismiss it as a hoax.

I said it once and I will say it again or a million times over until the word is made clear if a person does not have faith in the unseen spririt that person will not partake in an after life with the father period.

To have faith again is = faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Which means just cause you believe in something doesn't mean you will see it (hence evidence of things Not Seen) peple who have faith and believe in the Father are emotionally subjected to him it is then when your spirt will be touched byhis holy spirit and you will live according to his will which is to not have a doubt about him.

I am sorry if I am being the bearer of bad news because I am no way judgemental about people but if you believe in the laws and statutes by the father then you have to go with is no matter how a person feels, I stated what I believe the word is in I am not gonna take it back because it may or may not offend somebody or be harsh to them. One thing I will not do is JUDGE anyone.

Please understand if you tell someone stealing is bad and they do it anyway does that make them a bad person or do you think they just made a bad decision at that time? This is similar to where I am coming from I am not calling anybody bad.
seanph
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The reason why we can not see the father is because he wants us to believe in something we can't see hence faith.


Why did God create us to be critical thinking, rational minded beings ... and then ask us to suspend such critical processes, plug in faith, in order to believe in Him? Mind you, faith is the belief in something that lacks material evidence. Does that make sense?

QUOTE
Just like when Moses lead the israelites out of bondage in Egypt you see how when moses left to recieve the commandments and their was nothing they could associate with a "God" ,


Yes, but God had continuously shown Himself to the Israelites through any number of unforgettable miracles. He put in a major appearance to His "chosen" ... so not why to us?

Sean
chaostrom
It's not that we can't see God, God doesn't want to see us! laugh.gif
Son of _Adam
the bible has a good explination of why most people can't see God. If everyone looked up to the sky and saw God then why would God introduce the idea of faith? It would be too easy.
Agent. Mulder
QUOTE(Nephilim_Slayer @ Jun 5 2007, 06:38 PM) [snapback]1710322[/snapback]
the bible has a good explination of why most people can't see God. If everyone looked up to the sky and saw God then why would God introduce the idea of faith? It would be too easy.


so hes asking you to believe in something that you cant see? (and probably never will)
seanph
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the bible has a good explination of why most people can't see God. If everyone looked up to the sky and saw God then why would God introduce the idea of faith? It would be too easy.


Why wouldn't God want it to be easy? Are eternal souls are supposedly on the line if we get it wrong!
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