Is psychokinesis constructive?

Telepathy, clairvoyance, and psychokinesis (Parapsychology, n.d.). The Parapsychological Association describes parapsychology as "the scientific study of paranormal or ostensibly paranormal phenomena, that is, psi; except in Britain, the term has largely superseded the older expression 'psychical research;' used by some to refer to the experimental approach to the field".

Proponents style parapsychology as a discipline compatible with science and other schools of psychology, however those assertions and the results of parapsychological work have met with frequent opposition from critics. Historically, however, psychical research has attracted notable personalities in psychology, such as American psychologist and philosopher William James, among others.

Many scientists feel that parapsychological study is at best on the outer edges of science because it involves research that doesn't fit within standard theoretical models accepted by mainstream science. A large portion of parapsychological work involves examining the statistical evidence for psi, a generic term described by parapsychologists as indicating anomalies that may be attributed to paranormal phenomena. Although, in general, the methods used are considered scientific, an article published in the February 2007 issue of Nature characterized the "decision whether to pursue a tiny apparent effect or put it down to statistical flaws [as] a subjective one". The controversy over parapsychological study is an example of the larger debate over the demarcation problem in science, which examines the boundaries commonly drawn between science and non-science. To date there have been no experimental results that have gained wide acceptance in the scientific community as valid evidence of paranormal phenomena.



Are psi phenomena really "impossible" according to contemporary science? As Robert Jahn's experience with the Nobel laureates revealed, the answer will depend upon whom you ask. ... Fortunately the march of scientific progress is usually only temporary slowed down by people saying "impossible." For a long time meteorites were declared "impossible." The idea that continents could drift around the surface of the earth was ridiculed for decades. The history of science is full of other "impossibilities" that have become ordinary parts of everyday life. A number of leading physicists, acknowledged giants of the field, such as Henry Margenau, David Bohm, and O. Costa de Beauregard have repeatedly claimed that there is nothing in quantum physics that forbids psi phenomena. ... Nobel laureate Brian Josephson, a strong supporter of parapsychology, has stated that some of the most convincing evidence he has seen for the existence of psi phenomena comes not from the diligent work of the parapsychologists but from experiments in quantum physics. So science does not speak with one voice on the matter of parapsychology. Such is life on the frontiers of knowledge. All we can say now is that the jury is still out.

I don't know if it is real yet or isn't. I think it would be very useful in the field of medicine. Can you imagine being able to use PK in surgeries? Doctors could repair internal bleeding and stuff without even making in incision. They could possibly explode tumors, or change the way cells are going, clean out arteries...the possiblities are endless. I can't see it ever being that controllable if it was even possible though. I don't believe in it yet.

I personaly believe that the only way these abilities will in anyway have any noticable results
is with technology like brain implants "microchips' that will stimulate a certain part of the brain
that will give the added result of what it was intended for.

Interesting you mention Jahn. I just happened to have the paper he published in Journal of Scientific Exploration (1997) in my hands a few minutes ago.

Entanglement (or as Einstein called it "spooky action at a distance") seems to be all the rage for explaining a lot of paranormal phenomena. It does appear to have it's merits as a hypothesis, but we don't really know enough about how entanglement works in the real world.

It seems to me that the strongest evidence comes from RNG experiements(Jahn and Dunne, J.B. Rhine etc.). I'm leaning toward a hypothesis that rather than manipulating the physical world(thus producing potentially large scale effects), the mind can tweak probability. This does explain luck, the so-called Law of Attraction and probably a variety of other "metaphysical" effects.

Fred Alan Wolf proposed a similar hypothesis in regards to shamanic healing in The Eagle's Quest.

It's just a thought but it makes a lot more sense to me than a mystical energy that can affect the environment yet is completely undetectable.

I don't see any large scale benefit to humanity from PK regardless of it's cause (provided of course that it is real).

Yeah what Jahn has to say about theories is rather interesting! Entanglement occurs when one particle splits into two or two particles interact.

Quantum theory mathematics predicts that when these particles go their separate ways they are still connected; they are no longer really separate after they interact and each contains some aspect of the other. Einstein did not like this idea and called it "spooky action at a distance".

As I recall, Einstein didn't like a lot of things about QT.

Metaphysical gurus and parlour tricks aside, what do you think these scientists are looking at? Are they on the verge of something, or are they just misinterpreting the statistics?

I feel they are just misinterpreting the statistics! I think all these RNG's are purely random, and to me do not provide
enough evidence for a valid claim on these metaphysical abilities.

Another good read by Jahn is Margins Of Reality: The Role of Consciousness in the Physical World!

Fair enough. But out of curiosity, what would you accept as a good starting point to bring about more serious research?

Thanks for the recommendation. I'll try to dig it up.

I feel a good start for these researchers would be to learn more about the past! Some eastern asia philosophies
have some compelling evidence in there martial arts practices, like training the body to be able to take an
ex-amountable of punishment and pain without even the slightest mark.

The US has adapted some of these techniquis under a form called "Krav Maga" but only as a self defence course.


Manifestations of PK have also occurred in spiritualism such as alleged materializations and dematerializations, apports, levitations, table-tipping, raps, and the appearances of ectoplasm and pseudopods. One 19th century D. D. Holmes was known for his ability to levitate and to handle hot coals without being burned. But, also during this time, there were individuals known as "electric people" who experienced a"high-voltage syndrome". They made knives and forks cling to their skin, and with a touch could send furniture flying across a room.

At the beginning of the 20th century Rudi Schneider, another medium known for his PK ability of materialization and telekinesis of objects, was studied by psychical researchers.


More research into how the mind works would also benefit on these studies! The mind is the key on how to open these abilities in my opinion. There are part's of the brain that have not been tapped into yet or lay dorment because
they are just like any other part of the body without use they will just cease.

Some people may just be born with these parts of the brain working and show more
abilities than an average person. But until we can learn more about the mind we may never know.

Krav Maga was developed by the Israeli Defense Force.

You think that Iron Shirt training is one of the jumping off points, very interesting indeed. A look back at spiritualism (and a return to the very beginnings of Psychial Research) makes a lot of sense to me. If I remember my readings correctly it seemed that there was a lot more observational evidence in those days due to a lot more interest by genuine scholars.

Please forgive my rusty memory it's been a while since I've done and hard reading into the subject. The "religious" side of the paranormal really burned me out a few years back.

Thank you for speaking with me DW, it's been a real pleasure.

Well not the iron shirt training its self, but the power to control the mind to not feel pain. The ability is in the mind.

Yeah, I got bored with the spiritual side of psychial research myself! I'm not to religious. I think most researchers have left it alone as well.


It has been a pleasure speaking with you as well! Hope to see you around on here more.

Asking this is a double edged sword. On one hand the positive uses are near limitless. On the other hand it can be absolutely destructive. I fear telepathy because of the idea of someone getting inside my head and shutting my brain off. Physical telekinesis can be seen when somebody pushing themselves beyond there limits. Like mike dayton used to do when he broke handcuffs. He went into a trance like state and made his body perform the strength feat. That maybe a form of internal TK. I've used his course myself and it focus's heavily on mental training. Visualization and concentration.

Yes, you are right these techniquis can be very dangerous if not used properly.

I have provided a few video's of these techniquis in action!

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Upon reading this, I find first a couple of no small battles of bias need to be over come.

Now understand that the following does NOT support or encourage the X-Men – Anime – Jedi powers of Science Fiction. Those claims are exactly that – Science Fiction. No one has ever been able to stand up to the plate and give credible evidence that such exists.

First is what I call: THE ALL OR NONE.

This approach, by some scientist is – “If someone claims to have Psychic/Psi abilities. It is they have it “all” or none at all.” This to me is rather a silly approach. I liken Psi Abilities like people that art, math, music and other skills.

As in art skills, some have great ability to draw/paint people and some do not. Their art skills are in scenery or other forms of the various art forms out there. Just because one has “art skills” does not mean they have the skills to do very kind of art medium there is out there. Math skills are another area of “all or nothing”. I have a friend that flunked algebra – BIG TIME. He can NOT do abstract math. But yet he can work out the most complicated forms of math when it deals with astronomy, computer and so on. And some skills are limited to the genetic make up of the person as well.

Psi abilities, in my personal opinion are genetic and do have limitations on when, where, why and how they work. For instance I know a number of Empaths, by this I mean – people that can actually feel the internal emotions of another person without the cues from the other 5 senses. Empaths for instance have vary in ‘degree/levels’ of when, how and why they work.

The first serious challenge is the understanding and accepting that limitations are at play in Psi Abilities. For instance in a lot of the commonly accepted ideas of Psi abilities – EMOTIONS are a big part of the key. From 9/11 to family events that happen – where people “knew” something was ‘wrong’. They accurately state it, “I sensed something was wrong…” This is very common phrase that is heard.

So an understanding of the boundaries and limitations must first be understood and accepted. The “All Or None” is not a fair and good place to start.

We have to actually take the time to observe, ask questions and understand where one’s claims of Psi work and do not work. This should not be seen as an ‘excuse’ but understanding of the dynamics that are actually at play. The cause and effect, basically.

Then we have the camp that says, “This cannot be measured, it Psi or Ethereal.”
This is a cop out and nothing short of a lame ass excuse to avoid accountability and acceptance that their ‘powers’ are all in their heads and no where else.

ALL PSI ABLITIES CAN BE MEASURED AND DOCUMENTED ONCE WE UNDERSTAND THE DYNAMICS AT PLAY. It really is that simple! It can be measured, it can be documented once the dynamics are understood.

The following tools are a sample of such means to measure.

Thermal Image Cameras. (TICs)
These measure “hot” and “cold”. Be it energy, spirits or actual temperature changes.

EEG:
These measure brain waves.
I know of two undocumented tests where – at 3500 mile distance and experiment was tried. They actually thought and expected NOTHING to happen, for a lot of different and obvious reasons. But what did happen left them “lost” for an answer.
The EEG machine was hooked up in a sound proof room and shielded from as much EMF as is possible. This was a sleep study clinic. So to keep things as ‘quiet’ as possible in these rooms is a requirement. The EEG probes were hooked to a ‘straw’ with electrolyte jell in the straw.

There were in the initial tests 4 people involved. 2 at the clinic, 1 doing the ‘thought sending’ and another online to validate the when sent and not sent.

The “sender” was 3500 miles away from the EEG controlled room. He would send NOW – for when thought were sent and WON when not. He would randomly do this and would send it to the ‘watcher’ 1st then the control room right after that.

Every time he said, “Now” – the EEG would spike and the strange thing that happened. The jell “shorted out”. Every time he sent, “Won”, nothing would happen. No spike, no flux nothing at all. This test had always the same results every time the test was done. Several times during a given session, “now” would always short out the Jell and Spike the EEG and “won” would result in nothing happening at all. The doctor and tech actually ran some test when no testing was done just to make sure there was nothing ‘going on’ with the equipment. Nothing happened, no spikes not jell short out, nada. Also they tried this with other people online and nothing happened at all. This would only happen w/the given specific individual. What happened – no one knows, but there was a direct “Cause/Effect” w/the EEG and Electrolyte Jell and the specific person ‘focusing his thoughts on the room’.

Also it was tested w/this same person, EEG hooked up to him and another hooked up to another persons various parts of their body. Hands, arm, neck, shoulder, knee and so on. A base line was always reordered before the ‘sender’ would focus his thoughts on the given location. Each time the EEG would then match his brain waves and over ride the persons ‘reading’ in that given focal point. What is going on, is yet to be understood but it is documented.

Then we have the Ohm and other electrical meters. These too can be calibrated to register even the slightest of energy.

So the challenge is to understand what is at play and then begin to build a ‘library’ for which to begin to develop theories as to what ‘dynamics’ are at play.

Ok – I’ll stop sorry this got ‘winded’….. Hope this made some sort of sense!??

I really do like you're point of view on this Jj! and I do believe that it would be a great way to start understanding
what is at play here.

Thanks,

See the funny thing is - I'm labeled a "NON-believer" - when actually I do accept that some people have actual abilities that cannot be explained short of Psi Abilities. Pure and simple. But those people step up to the plate and deliever. Unlike the excuses we see here. These people are liarkinesis or fooledkinesis or fictionalkinesis. Because they will never step and up and prove what they TALK BIG ABOUT. Excuse after excuse is the simple mark of a Con-Job or someone that has been made a fool of - but doesn't have the courage to step up and accept the fact they were fooled big time. They are caught between the rock and the hard place. No one likes to admit they've been made a fool of - but hey a true man character knows when he's been fooled and has no problem accepting it. Some have yet to 'grow up'.

You are right! When it comes down to these x-men powers it's just getting a bit ridiculous.
Anyone thinking with some common sense and rationality can figure out these claims are just a bunch of nonsense.

But there are some abilities out there, as you have said that just can't be explained, and these are the things
that need to be studied in more detail.

Real psychics are not on tv. More than likely they do share information about training and developing psychic skill. However they are often scoffed at by others. As for x-men like abilities. It would take generations of psychic familys that spent their lives developing there skills generation after generation to get to the point of some of the telekinetic feat seen in comic books and movies. Something like that has to become hard wired into a person through breeding and traing, so that it ends up a reflex. Much how someone is a natural athlete. Mother and Father were into sport their parents were and futher on down the tree.