Does anybody know of any dragon related news of pictures, bones, fossies findings to share?

I've checked around the new but there does'nt seem to be to much that is all that interesting to do with picture findings other than this 1 that i've just found which looks as though it was found in the sea outside of japan, there isn't no story though to how they came across it or anything similar to what happend.

Here's the picture for you to view.



What do you think about the picture, look very real i think.

Edited Here is a video that is related to the picture that is from above, which features more about it's story

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHZRQNrCdL8...ted&search=

Its one of the photographs of the carcass found by a Japanese fishingboat. Its assumed to be a plesiosaur or something alike, but scientists have point out that its the rotting remains of a basking shark.
Personally, i believe in "sea monsters"; gigantic aquatic animals yet unknown to science, and i have my doubts about this being the carcass of a basking shark. Who will tell?

^ what she said, basking shark ^ another theory is that it's a sea-lion.

I'm afraid that this is the only kind of evidence that you'll come across. Other than historic and religious hearsay that is. Draconic chronicler will probably be along to provide a good deal of information for you I don't have in any case...doubt there's a thing about dragons he doesn't know

DNA doesn't lie. Deterioration may make a basking shark carcasss look like a dragon or plesiosaur, but DNA analysis proves the ones discovered so far, and tested, are known sea creatures like sharks and whales.

Considering the fact that dragons have been reportedly seen in almost every country for thousands of years, if it is not all human imagination, then perhaps we should also accept what many of the legends say about them -- that they are not simply physical creatures with normal lifespans, or we would cetainly find traces of their mortal remains. Perhaps the creature St. Columba recorded as a dragon 1500 years ago is the very same creature reported in Loch Ness today. What is more logical, a kind of lifeform with abilities we do not understand, but has been uniofrmly recorded and observed around the world for thousands of years, or a sustainable population of normal creatures that would have had to reproduce, live and die by the hundreds since St. Columba's time, yet not leave any physical traces of its existence? But if the dragons our ancestors saw for thousands of years are real, bodies of water, and particularly the oceans are where they would hide. Such creatures have been sighted for years. And remember that although millions of huge giant squid live in the ocean, it was only a couple years ago that a live on was ever photographed. We only knew of their existence becasue they were eaten by Sperm Whales. So if a whale could not swallow a "dragon", and it is smarter that a squid, it is perfectly logical we not ever see on up close. When they allowed themselves to be seen, and apparently they were, all over the world for thousands of years, humans did not have the technology to harm them, and we can dismiss the tales of a human killing such a beast with a sword, as just so much boasting and wishful thinking. But dragon sightings have decreased in direct proportion to the improvement in human firearms. This much, at least, is a fact.

I always thought the reason noone found dragon remains was because their skeleton was made of cartiledge, not bone. To make them lighter to fly ..cartiledge doesn't show up in fossils does it??..i dunno..but it sounds plausible to me

That picture was taken on board of a fishing ship from Japan called Zuiyo-maru. It was famous since then as the Zuiyo-maru Carcass. The crew tossed it back to sea not long after it was hauled, the stench was unbearable. No wonder...they're picking a decompossing basking shark...some marine mammals and sharks looks like prehistoric creatures (and even dragon) when they're decaying.

And uh, I've read a theory instead of the cratilagious bones of the dragon that made no fossils, it's also likely due to their fire-breathing behavior. Since a fire breathing habits can not exist without fuel, it seems that inside the dragon's body, there's a special fire ignition organ, or the fuel storage (most possibly methane gas in liquid form). And dragon might use their fangs to ignite the methane from inside of their body, just like a flintstone.
And this fire-breathing habits with methane organ would require a lighter bone and inflammable design. Thus at dead, the methane will form a corrosive solution that will liquify (?) the bones and most of the organs. Thus resulted to the fact that you won't ever discover a dragon's remain...IMHO.


As for me...I don't really believe in Dragons but I adore them as many other asians would.
And yes, they're majestic and loveable creature, no matter how scary they are (or were)

No vertebrate land animal can have a cartlidge skeleton. They could not walk, and certainly not fly. Sharks can have a cartilidge skeleton becasue they are supported by water.

If dragons could be killed, and if any were, their hides and bones would be preserved in churches just like the fake dragons that chruches bought, which were usually made out of sharks and rays. Also there were fossils bones claiming to be dragon bones in churches, but we can see they are not dragns, usually not even dinosuars, but more often mammals like the wooly rhino skull said to be a dragon in Klagenfurt.

But even if we acknowlede that ancient and medieval people saw dragons, the belief they could kill them with iron age weapons is ridiculous unless they were only as big as a small pony like most of the dragons the saints kill portrayed in religious art. But the Medieval people believed in huge dragons as well, that would be released by God on Judgement day to devour sinners. This is why you see these scenes of dragons swallowing sinners on the fronts of old chruches throuout europe. These are probably the "good" dragons they read about in the Bible that "sang praises to God" in the book of Pslams. In modern times when people stopped believing dragons were real, they changed the verse to read Whales, or sea monsters singing praises to God.

perhaps its a new thing
like a harder form of cartalige
stuff that would inable to fly and walk and also is not fossilized
i am a ferm beleaver in dragons and that they when extincted thousands of years ago
perhaps the small feathered flying dinosaurs survived the KT and adapted and evolved into the awsome beasts seen in history
my guess is that they wouldnt be huge beasts
but a desent size
ehh 5ft-6ft
wing spand 10ft
weighing about 80-100lbs
horns would be small or none esistant (just an exageration)
and the fire could have happend with venm glands inside the mouth or that could have been anouther exageration
my gues is that they werent native to england but were introdused after a king wanted to ether see one alive or keep one as a pet
they would be native to Africa, Southern Europe, South and Central America, and the Middle East, along with off-coast Islands.
the skin could be changed much like a cameleon to allow it to blend in with a variety of scenary.
the tail would have an arrow head or some other head for aerodynamics much like the Pterasaur
they would be one of the top predators in their ecosystem, even lions and hyenas ect would have a difficult time when in a strugle with a dragon, hunting every thin from birds, small mammals, fish, and reptiles also having few predators itself, most of the predation on the dragon would be raiding of there nest.
the nesting sites of the dragon would be located or mountain sides, coastal cliffs, even roof tops (very very rare) ect.
the dragon's life span is much like the life span of the galopagus tortoise.


anyway this is just what i think the dragon's life style was

Well, this is interesting. As the carcass has been tossed over without further analysis, we will never know for sure about this incident. Frankly, if a creature is sufficiently rare, and exceptionally long-lived (as dragons are reputed to be) than carcasses would be very rare. Carcasses disappear very rapidly in nature, and become almost unrecognizable very quickly. Further, fossilization is a rare occurrence, that requires a very specific set of unlikely conditions to all happen. If they did exist, were rare, and pretty only died at each other's actions (and then were eaten) we probably wouldn't find anything.

The discussion on hypothetical physiology is interesting, prehaps we should start a new topic on it.

So it's a shark? If it is then that's an odd looking shark. I've never seen a shark that was decompossing.

Well, now you have XD.

Dragons are one of my favourite mythological creatures, I think they are fantastic, and it would be really awsome if it was proved that they did exist. Unfortunately though, there is as much evidence of dragons as there is of unicorns, so it is highly unlikely

That is what i have been asking for. WHERE IS THE PROOF?!

One of the most endearing things about dragons is that there are relatively few 'discoveries'. Those that do exist are usually explainable, and might go some way to explaining the provenance of the concept of dragons. For instance, the Brno Dragon-clearly a crocodile, but with crocodiles being totally alien to Brno, back when it was discovered it was assumed to be a dragon.

China is one of the areas where dragons are most rich in cultural history, dinosaur bones have been dug up for years and years. In the past, noone had any idea about the concept of dinosaurs, so the bones were thought to be those of dragons.

And then more misidentification, like the basking shark carcass shown in the first post.

Actually there is far more evidence. I cannot think of anybody ever reporting they saw a unicorn, but thousands of people have claimed they have seen dragons, and now that people don't use the D-word, now they are thunderbirds, pterosaurs, lake monsters, sea serpents , dinosaurs , etc. But all of these thing used to be called dragons. Plus they have roles in the religions of over half the people on earth. Though most Christains do not realize it, they are the highest of heavenly creatures. and even Yahweh, though not Elohim, was originally a dragon that liked to flood humans.

never give up do u?
...youre a tough mofo

St Columba recorded no such sighting at all
have you actually read Vita Columbae
it wasn't written by him at all

I didn't say he wrote Vitae Columbae, but unless the accoount is a complete fabrication, he obviously RECORDED the events of his journey, and it was these notes or journals on which Vitae Columbae was based.

ok then
perhaps you could point out just where Andaman says the word dragon ?
here is the complete text (which I know you havent read)
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/columba-e.html
fyi Vita columbae is not based on any notes made by st columba at all
are you making this up as you go along
it was written by Andaman over 150 years after Columbas death by the usual manner in those days
following in his footsteps and asking the locals
if you really want to understand what it was that was in the loch you need to read CHAPTER XIII the account given by the educated monks before you read CHAPTER XXVIII the account given by the uneducated pictish villagers

but I expect you won't bother as it doesnt fit in with your personal belief
if you do you might want to go back and think about what the word Tanniyn and its plural Tanniynimm actually mean again because the last time I saw you spouting off about it you ddin't even know it had a plural
any good hebrew scholar would tell you the answer
i know a few if youre ineterested in the truth but as you have already said the bible is a christian book i doubt youre aware that all the parts you constantly reference are in the Hebrew part of it
lol

I'm liking this debate ya'll are having. I was listening, er, reading with interest, what DC had to say until he outed himself as a racist in this thread: http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=90215

I've been to the Louvre and seen their collection (what you can see in two days). My attention was elsewhere but in searching for their Pazuzu pieces I saw a bunch of stuff that...how the hell...the what now?
How are you posting pictures? I had a whole thing typed out here but it's not working without the pictures and makes no sense.

well to be fair to him he was only talking about Texans
that doesnt make him a racist
it just makes him ignorant that other peoples cultures are just as valid as anything hes dreamed up

lol the Pazuzu pieces are cool
but you watch too many films, were you surprised to find that Zuul and Gozer weren't in attendance

basically you click on the gif above the text box that looks like a mini framed picture and then paste the picture address right into it and click ok
like this

If anyone is a racist on that subject, I think it would have to be you, since you seem to think Texans deserve, or have, a "race" of their own, in order to define me as a racist. In fact, I have been a resident of Texas and still have a house there so I guess that makes me one too . Most of the people that commented on that post also agreed this annual snake slaughter turned into a holiday social eventr is a sick, disusting thing, and does indeed paint texans as "ignorant and bloodthirsty rednecks" in the eyes of civilized people. This was even promoted on Christian television shows as wholesome Christian entertainment, I think on the 700 Club, if that's the right name.

And since you brought this up, I recall only last week I think, of another "Texas mom" murdering all of her Children, this time by hanging them. Why does this stuff always seem to take place in Texas? I guess in this case, we'll never know if it had anything to do with a belief in demon possessions, like some of the previous slaughters.

You do not know any more than me if Columbae may have made notes. He was certainly literate, and the text makes reference to books and documents "written in his own hand". Chapter XIII deals with the loss of a walking staff, so not sure what you are getting at.

I am not sure what point you are trying to make with Tannin. I never disputed it had a plural form, so think it odd you brought it up. It is clear that even the writers of the Old Testament were not always sure what the word meant. As I have stated, it cannot be a fish or whale becasuse the it is often recorded on dry land. It is a creature capable of swallowing a human whole, as one usage confirms, and is the word used for the creature transformed from Aarons rod, logically a snake, yet there were many Hebrew words for snake that could have been used if this was the intended term.

I believe the Tannin at least in some some cases are the same winged reptilian creatures called seraphim, because they sing praises to God in Psalms just as the Seraphim do in Isaiah. And we know the Seraphim did not have a human form, {as is the popular Christian mythology), becasue Jewish preists and Rabbis translated this word to the Greek word Drakones, and this is preserved in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Therefore the Tannin/Tanniyn appears to be a footed, winged, reptilian creature. That such creatures would be familar to the Hebrews is not surprising, for the various Mesopotamian Gods in which the Genesis stories are based, are described as similar dragon-like creatures. And even when these Gods evolved to human forms, their "assitants" who flank the God's throne, or his mounts to fly him across the heavens, is usually a winged, serpent headed reptilian creature. Both the reptilian throne guards and riding beasts are in the Old Testament.

I don't know what it is. Where did they find it? When did they find it? How did you find this picture? I need help with these questions.

i have the sudden erge to go read beowulf

My mistake DC. I took this statement to be somewhat racist.
Against Native Americans. I don't think Texans think of themselves as a race...or do they? Hadn't thought about it. Sorry to hear that you have a place here.

draconic chronicler
"Well, I am not surprised that drunken Texas indians have evolved into drunken Texan rednecks. And this amply demonstrates the notion that all native americans were great conservationists is nonsense. The reason why the Indians did not have horses until the spanish arrived was because they had EXTERMINATED all of their horses on the Western Hemisphere, driving them off cliffs in their thousands, for a small clan to eat one or two. Archaeology proves this. It took civilized Europeans to teach them you could domesticate a horse and ride it, and not simply kill it for food.

But every Native American has not evolved into ignorant, "kill anything that moves", rednecks. The Hopis (still real indians), capture rattlesnakes to use in their snake dance ceremony, but always release them unharmed afterwards. I would not be surprised if those Texas rednecks who claim they are Indians are just inveterate liars, another famous Texan Redneck trait. A popular Redneck trait these days is to claim you are "part Cherokee". Many real Indians who hold traditional values believe the spirits of their ancestors are reincarnated in serpents, another reason why real indians do not kill snakes. But I bet the fake Texas redneck indians are oblivious to anything related to real native american culture."


Apollyon, thanks for the tip. I'm more into art history than movie trivia but I was aware of Pazuzu's head being in the Exorcist. Zuul and Gozer though...is that Ghostbusters? Google says yes. I'm ten again Thanks.

Pazuzu was originally a Mushrushu dragon too, all the wind and storm gods were, before they were given human traits later on.

In China, Dragons are the good omen of the rain season. They bring rain to everything, from watering the fields to slow the enemy's army.
In Java, Indonesia, the dragons were the ride of the powerful kings and Queen of The South Sea. They also appeared whenever a new king arise.

And this is my own experience, no exaggeration: One day, I saw a cloud in the afternoon sky, just above the setting sun, it was streched so that it looks like an asian dragon, in details including the eyes and the claws.

Later that afternoon, the Sultan of state (I live in a kingdom-state city. A kingdom inside a republic) celebrates his 60th birthday and his 15 years in throne in a great banquet. Weird eh?

Dragons could easily convince people they controlled the weather becasue as flyers, they could prdeict rain coming to an area long before humans had any ikling of it. Then they would make an appearance, accept presents and sacrifices, and the rain would seemingly appear by dragon "Magic". Of course, if no rain was really on the way, dragons would not come for presents becasue they knew they couldn't make it rain. So if there was a drought the people thought the dragon was just "angry" and next time it came they would have to please it better. Stupid humans never figured out the ruse.

wow dc you really sound like you are in on the scam here, tricking stoopid oomanses into thinking they make it rain so that they can get lots of lovely prezzies. clever dragonses. one wonders how you got to know them so intimately, either your being rather creative or the perhaps youve become an honorary member of a brood, and now know all their secrets and tricks. Perhaps it was then that they told you how they helped defeat the spanish armarda (as you previously claimed).

Capoeiranger i thought your insight was great anyway, have heard about these cloud formations before and would love to see some pics if youve got a camera handy next time.

Yeah, actually, that happened before I have a digital camera, back then digital camera was a luxury! But yea, I have my own now and it always with me, so next time I ran across a cryptid or UFO or just a strange person that lookied like Tom Hanks being slapped all morning, I'll take it and show it to y'all!

And DC, I like your explanation of the dragon and the rain. But I love to believe my way, I hope you don't mind.

Yes but scientists with agendas do.

That would certainly work, but consider something else. For humans, TK phenomena (if it exists) are under poor control, and seem to be relatively weak in power. Yet, when attempts are made to influence a large population of random events (for example, ping-pong balls rolling around), a consistent shift in the mean develops that is interesting. Atmospheric gases are are composed of many small particles and molecules in Brownian motion. A steady deviation applied, consistently over days could have a significant effect. A gassious fluid would have less friction than a solid, and as it is compressible, a steady increase in pressure or movement will not be quickly dispersed by pressure waves. So (if one can contemplate TK as possible ) with persistent action, over a huge area, changes might be affected in weather. While no-one has displayed anything like the power, range, or endurance in TK (we don't even have proof of it, only some interesting data) a dragon might have the incredible strength of mind to carry off such a feat.

Note: I am not talking about cartoon weather control here, I am talking about something that would take days of time to build up, and only within the parameters of what the atmosphere could do. Nor am I necessarily agreeing with those who claim to be cloud-poppers (it sounds neat, but we don't have any data, only anecdotes). Nor am I saying that this is the way it has to be, but given the incredible mental presence that these legends are credited with, I would think twice before dismissing such capabilities as all tricks (as, in fact, I think twice before dismissing human abilities).

That is a good point. Dragons certainly have Tk abilities in order to fly, and their connection with both Jesus and oriental mystics, both credited with the ablity to "levitate" can be no coincidence. At the time time dragons were the "watchers" each vying for the most succesful human city state, perhaps they genuinely used TK abilities to insure plentiful rain for their subjects, but in later periods when no longer allowed to make such bold appearances, there were far less incentives, and such rainmaking displays were probably mere charades, for the dragons could obtain just as much without the TK effort. It is possible, even probable some of them may have enjoyed being helpful, even once excluded from the previous, close contacts with mankind.

It's good to see the topic as recieved quite alot of reply.

I was looking around on the net today and i have found a video which is of the creature from the picture that was taken along with an interview with the people that had court it, it did turn out to be that of a sea creature and not a dragon.

Here is the link to view it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHZRQNrCdL8...ted&search=

I certainly agree. Dragons must have a supernatural origin and apparently do not die, otherwise Europe, and even Britain, should be strewn with the bones of all the dragons reportedly seen and even "slain" there. So these things will continue to be seen, but doubtfully ever captured or killed.

also still waiting for the link to the scholarly articles you have written
also still waiting for the name of the well known graphic novel artist who is adapting your book
also still wating to hear the name of the publisher of your book that you stated would be a best seller

i wonder if dragons had TK abilities which they used to make them fly, what would be the necessity for them having wings? even steering wouldnt be an issue if they used their TK.
Surely them having wings suggests that they used them?

Zeppellins are lighter than air, but still have auxillary motors. TK ability requires a great deal of concentration, so wings certainly would help. But physics show us the large dragons of legend could not fly without "help". The body of quetzalcoatlus northropi is only slightly larger than a man's despite a 40 foot wingspan.

so what your saying is their tk abilities gave them the lift, while the wings propelled them forward? For this to be true they would need ball and socket joints and strong muscle structure to move these wings in the correct way to achieve propulsion. I dont think that modified ribs would work.the only way they could is if the dragon used tk to get hight then like a glider switched it off and used the rib flaps of skin to glide. but dragons are pictured (when with wings) as having them as limbs.

Yo DC, can you tell me the mechanism of how some dragons can breathe fire?

I forgot to post these 2 pictures that i came across the other day. i'm not sure if any of you have seen them before most likely you have done but to the few that have'nt. There was'nt any storys to the two though so they could be fake.

Picture 1 :


Picture 2 :

It is probably the metabolizing of phosphorous is is found in some quantity in human and animal prey. The Bible gives the hint that they sprew fire and brimstone. While brimstone is generally considered sulphur, the ancients may likely have called phosphorous brimstone as well, due to the white, mineral residue. Phosphorous would eliminate the somewhat contrived idea of dragons having flints or platinum to ignite hydrogen methane gas, which is one of the popular ideas presented in a popular televison show. Perhaps phosphorous could be shot from glands throough modified teeth exactly as seen in the spitting Cobra. the phosphorous would not ignite until exposed to oxygen outside of the dragon's mouth.

Never saw the top one, but the bottom one is a well known hoax, but beautifully done.

Must have taken alot of effect to make it. I think the top one could also be a fake as at the top of the cloud outline it looks like its being edited in some way when you zoom close into it, unless its just how the sun is reflecting not to sure looks strange, probably of a big bird if real than a dragon... be good if there was something behind it as in a story.

To be honest the top one looks like a shot from an old Godzilla movie. I've seen it a few times before, and that's the only thing it looks like in my opinion.

The top picture resembles a logo of a multi level marketing brand from China...anybody know what I'm talking about?

It probably is fake, but I'm not sure.

Yes. Now I have seen a picture of one.