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itsjustlife
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That's Leonardo Da Vinci's Vitruvian Man. The original and then the original mirrored on itself (notice how it remains focused)

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This is the Shroud of Turin (Said to be the single most studied human artifact) - The Original & mirrored on itself. (Notice how it's also not only in focus but even more clear and new symbols form)

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This is both of them combined and placed over each other. They align perfectly.

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Again.. Notice that they seem to compliment each other as if they were designed to do so.

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In this one I moved it slightly off center and you'll notice it appears you can actually see what it would look like as if you were looking down on the man. Once I figure out the mechanics behind it I think it'll be viewable from 3 different angles or more.

Also interesting are the names themselves. Da VInci was known to use word games and anagrams and this is no exception. Vitruvian Man - contains "I am turin" Interesting since they do combine. I think there is an alternate anagram with the extra letters, but in a different language. French or Italian probably.

Da Vinci knew and was friends with the Royal family of TURIN so it's very possible he had access to, and created the Shroud. It's thought to be authentic because it has 3d and photographic properties. Which people think only Jesus could have created back then. In my book" "Discovering Da Vinci's Daughter" I show that the Mona Lisa has these same properties and much more.

Check out my web site itsjustlife.com for more and for a preview of my book! Visit My Website

Derek

What do you guys think?? These images are not fabricated and can be reproduced easily in photoshop. They are just super imposed and inverted. One has the "equalize" setting applied but that's it. These can be done in 3 steps, try it yourself if you know how. Also if you can help me figure out how to "unlock" the other angles let me know!

DreamSlayer
That actually makes a lot of sense. I could buy that theory
IamsSon
You do realize that Leonardo was Italian so the fact that "I am Turin" is an anagram makes no sense.
Horus Christos
Interesting. Even if your diagrams are not coincidence though, this is not proof that Leonardo was involved in its fabrication......it is possible that Leonardo was studying the properties of an already existing shroud.

I'm no expert on the shroud, but my understanding is that it has been dated to about the 13th-14th century...a bit before Leonardo's time. One explanation I have heard is that it was made by opponents of the Templar Knights when they were torturing some higher-ups in the order shortly after its dissolution by giving them the wounds of Jesus. I've no proof, comment or even opinion on this....just what I've read somewhere and thought that I'd throw it out there for comment.
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Interesting images, Itsjustlife.....I've heard somewhere that he used egg whites!
GoddessWhispers
Well, it's a fact that the shroud of Turin is not dated to the 1st century, when christ allegedly died. So that it wrapped the body of christ, is not possible. Furthermore, though the shroud receives the most notoriety, fake shrouds were actually a common forgery in Medieval times. So, while a fake, it's the most notable in contemporary circles of discussion about such matters as christ relics.

There's a website dedicated to this, you might find interesting. (one of many) Shrouded in Deceit
– Leonardo's Last Laugh
Foxe
Hmmm, since the shroud has a known history dating back to 1357 (95 years before da Vinci's birth), and was not housed in Turin permanently (thus gaining the moniker "Turin Shroud") until 1578 (59 years after da Vinci's death), I don't think either the anagram or the possibility that da Vinci made the shroud can be given much credit I'm afraid.
Lucid Mark
QUOTE(IamsSon @ Jun 4 2007, 03:46 PM) [snapback]1708946[/snapback]
You do realize that Leonardo was Italian so the fact that "I am Turin" is an anagram makes no sense.


Actually that is what I was thinking right when I read it, I was thinking "now why would he put a code in a foreign language, why not Latin"
sergestorms
QUOTE(Horus Christos @ Jun 4 2007, 06:01 PM) [snapback]1709032[/snapback]
Interesting. Even if your diagrams are not coincidence though, this is not proof that Leonardo was involved in its fabrication......it is possible that Leonardo was studying the properties of an already existing shroud.

I'm no expert on the shroud, but my understanding is that it has been dated to about the 13th-14th century...a bit before Leonardo's time. One explanation I have heard is that it was made by opponents of the Templar Knights when they were torturing some higher-ups in the order shortly after its dissolution by giving them the wounds of Jesus. I've no proof, comment or even opinion on this....just what I've read somewhere and thought that I'd throw it out there for comment.




check out the book "The Second Messiah". it goes in detail on the origins of the shroud and how it could have possibly come into existence. THe writeres managed to duplicate to some degree the shroud itself, and they theorize the shroud is actually the image of Jacques de Molay, the grand master of the Knights Templar at the time of their oppression by Philip IV of France and the Catholic church.
itsjustlife
QUOTE(Lucid Mark @ Jun 5 2007, 06:31 PM) [snapback]1710955[/snapback]
Actually that is what I was thinking right when I read it, I was thinking "now why would he put a code in a foreign language, why not Latin"


the word TURIN would be the same. The rest of the letters, like I said, were probably in Itallian or French and obviously not english. The "i am" part is probably just coincidental but "Turin" I think is more than that. They do align spot on, and Da Vinci used annagrams so there is probably some meaning in there!

Also no matter when the actual shroud has been dated to, the paint/ what the images is made out of could have been applied in Da Vinci's time. It would be like dating a piece of paper from 1000 years ago but the ink on it could have been from sooner.

I didn't know about those other books so it looks like i'm on the right track. I dont think they realize it matches up with the Vitruvian man though. I guess I just found something that gives that theory a lot more evidence.

Dont forget to check out my web site itsjustlife.com I have a lot more stuff on there.
Emma_Acid
QUOTE(itsjustlife @ Jun 10 2007, 06:38 PM) [snapback]1717547[/snapback]
the word TURIN would be the same. The rest of the letters, like I said, were probably in Itallian or French and obviously not english. The "i am" part is probably just coincidental but "Turin" I think is more than that. They do align spot on, and Da Vinci used annagrams so there is probably some meaning in there!

Also no matter when the actual shroud has been dated to, the paint/ what the images is made out of could have been applied in Da Vinci's time. It would be like dating a piece of paper from 1000 years ago but the ink on it could have been from sooner.

I didn't know about those other books so it looks like i'm on the right track. I dont think they realize it matches up with the Vitruvian man though. I guess I just found something that gives that theory a lot more evidence.


You haven't found evidence for anything, sorry.

Firstly, it is named the Vitruvian Man after Roman architect Marcus Vitruvius Pollio who defined the proportions of the human body. Nowt to do with Turin. And besides which, Turin in Italian is "Torino".

Secondly, you're matching up images of two men. The odds are they're going to match pretty well, especially when mirrored as this averages out the proportions.

Tenuous to say the least, sorry love.
jaylemurph
Yeah, I have to agree with Emma here.
You're doing what the human brain does best (especially 'round here) -- finding patterns which just aren't there.

--Jaylemurph
Foxe
QUOTE(itsjustlife @ Jun 10 2007, 06:38 PM) [snapback]1717547[/snapback]
the word TURIN would be the same. The rest of the letters, like I said, were probably in Itallian or French and obviously not english. The "i am" part is probably just coincidental but "Turin" I think is more than that. They do align spot on, and Da Vinci used annagrams so there is probably some meaning in there!


I take it you're one of those people who skims over all the posts which disagree with their own pet theory. No, there is absolutely no way that the anagram you cited means anything. The shroud was not housed in Turin, and thus did not become known at the "Turin Shroud" until years after Da Vinci's death. There is no meaning there.

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Also no matter when the actual shroud has been dated to, the paint/ what the images is made out of could have been applied in Da Vinci's time. It would be like dating a piece of paper from 1000 years ago but the ink on it could have been from sooner.


Similarly, you're clearly missing the point here. The shroud, and its image, have a dateable history to nearly a century before Da Vinci's birth. Therefore he did not create the image.

You have found an interesting coincidence in the alignment of the two images (though not a surprising one, since both show adult men of a "normal" proportion, they're bound to match up to some extent), but nothing more I'm afraid. This isn't a question of a theory having more or less merit, it can be shown conclusively that Da Vinci did not create the shroud, and it can be shown that there is nothing more than mild coincidence in your anagram. Sorry, but there it is.
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