For a few years now I have tried to tell people that we will be at war with russia and china but no one believed me. When I saw on the news a while ago that they were doing joint war-games with each other some people started to change their opinion. I believe the world leaders are making steps to bringing ww3 here closer than we think, in preparation to destroy the governments of the world to produce the one world government under the iron rule of the anti-christ.
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Actually, the outlook is much better than you think...sure there are international difficulties and tensions, but nothing like those of the good ol' Cold War period! If we didn't blow ourselves away then, when a handful of nations possessed enough firepower to kill the planet ten times over, why would be do it now? Christ promised to return while the generation of his Disciples still lived...he didn't and now it is two thousand years too late for the anti-Christ and the second coming. so you can quit hoping for the destruction of the world.

Wait till the last oil pump stops working then we'll see what happens.

Disciples of Christ still live to this day...You think Christ still doesn't have any disciples left on earth? Thats funny, and you are just crazy to think that I am hoping for the destruction of the earth. I know it will happen, do I want it to happen? No, and I never said I did.

we might be in big trouble Neph, but not from that direction. None of the Western powers, nor China have anything to gain from such a conflict, which is why there was not one even with 50 years of nuclear standoff.

If you are looking for apocalyptic maniacs who would help someone like the Anti-Christ, the best place to start looking is where the Bible actually warned us to look: in the Mid-East. The place is full of lunatics who openly hope for an apocalyptic final battle, and destruction of Christianity and the Jews. if a flase prophet wanted to set up shop, he could scarcely find more fertile ground.

Not the original Disciples and that was the generation he was referring to...I doubt if the disciples of today were among "those of you who are standing here".

Agreed! But it's the end of the world scenario that's always present during war time, or at the turn of a century. Millennium fever, as they called it in 1999. Now, the Mayan calendar promises the end in 2012. I look forward to the dawn of every morning wherein it has been predicted thus far, to be the end of the world. I look up to the gorgeous billowing clouds that dot the skyscape over my property, for that herald of angels to precede the christ, as is reckoned by the faithful quite often, and have yet to see a thing. However, now, with the technology of project Blue Beam, it is allegedly possible to project a 3D hologram of just such an event.

Can you imagine that one!?

I remember in Operation Desert Storm. Iraqi guerrillas were coming across the sand with their rifles over their heads, eyes wide, scared out of their mind. Speaking in broken English, mixed with panicked Arabic, asking to be taken into custody. They'd seen the prophet in the clouds, and jesus too. I remember thinking. This is a test, this is only a test.

Now , years later, if that occurs in the U.S. or in Iraq today, it'll be a whole different world, overnight. And we can do it. Those prophecies of old, asking the devout to just keep the faith in looking up, for salvation, can be seen with just the push of a button. Wow! Gotta love the evolution of technology. Before, primitive peoples saw goddess in the tree's. Now we can see her in the sky, in 3D.

You are not a believer yet you sit here telling me you can decipher the bible and pretty much have debunked Christianity because Christ did not return in the age of his original disciples? Give me the versus please, I believe this is open for interpretation.

Russia has deeper ties then they'd like us to think to the middle east. They supply all of our terrorist with arms, as well as missiles.

As a kid I was terrified of atomic war and the end of the world. Nostradamus scared the mess out of me. Someone told me that Nostradamus predicted that Russia and China would be against us in WWIII. Anyone know enough about Nostradamus to tell me if that's correct? I'd look it up, but I'm eating at the moment.

Yup, I am telling you that...a non-believe can see much clearer because their sight has not been clouded by superstition....not only that but I can tell you that your NT does not agree with itself or recorded history...you can't even tell me when your godling was born...

a non-believer can interperet biblical scriptures better than a believer? k mako....

Well, we are aware are we not, that before the U.S. led invasion of Saddam and Iraq, that Iraq was the foremost supplier of crude to both China and Russia!? So to say that both nations have deep hooks into Middle Eastern interests, is to say at least that what we knew going in.

Yup!!! Shore kin!!! We ain't blinded by superstition!!! We have the blinders of belief removed and can see the truth, not what is desired to be seen. You still didn't answer when Jesus was born....

The Russians would like to cause us grief today Neph. There is a difference in supplying Samtex, AKs, and anti-aircraft missiles to rogue states and terrorists (as Russia has done) and supplying ballistic missiles to terrorists, and openly proclaiming an apocalyptic ambition (as Iran has done). The Russian throwbacks are trying to re-establish totalitarian socialism, and will use anyone to do it. Some of the folks in the Mid-East want to end the world as we know it.

this seems to be turning into a warmongering politics thread

All of a sudden, Washington is playing nuclear brinksmanship again with Russia. Just heard about it on the BBC last night (this morning in the UK).

Around a year ago I tried my hand at predicting WW3, just to see how I did. Besides making the usual and obvious predictions, I went out on a limb and predicted that France and Germany would line up against the US. Turkey would have no choice but to line up with the US, but they're hosed no matter what they do. India and Pakistan would take the opportunity to fight between themselves, with especially grim results for the civilian populations. India would wind up being the US's attack dog in that region. I have no particular attachment to these predictions, and in fact I sincerely hope none of them come true. I just wanted to see what my mind came up with when I asked myself how apocalypse might shape up.

One thing I fear is Washington's insistence on dominating the global oil supply so that it can set prices favorable to its own industrial constituents. This puts France and Germany up against a wall, to say nothing of Russia and China.

Another thing that alarms me is that the US seems willing to play the violence card in any arena where Russia might be inclined to play the diplomacy card. The US has an effective monopoly on violence, while Russia's strong suit is diplomacy. Basically, I see Washington competing with Russia for influence in certain regions, and that means pushing conflicts toward violent resolutions, where the US excels and Russia has no hand to play.

Of course, the US is hardly the only government behaving dangerously. It is, however, the most powerful one, and it's the one I know.

Personally, I've always been fascinated by the idea of apocalypse. I've spent my whole life feeling as if "all this" was about to come to an end.

France and Germany will definitely be against the US if any world war was to break out I agree. Russia likes to appear as a friendly diplomatic country but they are a sleeping dog waiting to fire off nukes with china believe you me.

Yep..like u said their middle east connections are huge, as well aliging themselves with china ..esp with Iran..its is also rumored that the supplied weapons to sadam before the war

I certainly don't think Russia is benevolent. I don't mean "diplomacy" to be equivalent with friendliness. I just mean that Russia seems in a better position than the US to resolve conflicts in the region by negotiation. I agree that Russia is just as willing as anyone to rattle its nukes at people.

I'd say that the only reason Russia doesn't exercise the same global military reach as the US is because Russia is nowhere near as rich or industrially advanced. That fact leaves Russia in a position to play diplomacy instead of force.

you guyz seem like you would enjoy reading Peter Hopkirk's The Great Game.

I see what you are saying. Believe me guys I don't wish this to take place, but believing in revelations in the bible I know is has to come to pass before the millenium takes place. There is a part of me that wants it to happen in my lifetime, and a big part of me that doesnt.

Good. Can't wait till we blow ourselves off this planet.

Smirky smirky wink wink...

I don't think the Muslims imitated the Christian Apocolypse, which in turn, was imitated from the Zoroastrian Apocolypse. It is amusing how many Christians fervently believe in an apocolypse invented by a Persian religion that also claims in its holy scriptures that the God of the Bible is an evil dragon named Zohac..

But when the armies of Islam began conquering Christian lands, many tehologians identified Mohammed as the anti-christ.

If there were to be a apocolypse, it would have to be deliberately concocted to please modern Christians, becasue not only was large parts of Revelation stolen from pagan scriptures, but it clearly states it would happen before John of Patmos died. It says so right in the scripture. Christians pore over whether the 7 headed dragons minion represents the Pope or the Moslems, but they don't bother to read the part that says this was supposed to happen 2000 years ago, and since it didn't, it is obviously a false prophecy..

Well DC, I'm far from any kind of Biblical literalist, and as for prophecy, our future is ours to make. I was pointing out though, that if one were to consider Revelations seriously, than one had to look at the Mid-east. Indeed, today many are saying "Alas Babylon!"

As for Russia, any sort of violent confrontation would monumentally stupid. I have seen no evidence of US saber-rattling or any suggestion of violence against Russia. The US has said things that Russians do not wish to hear (about human rights, Kosovo, etc), but that is no more nuclear saber-rattling than when France criticizes the US.

What makes you think we will ever be at war with Russia and China? It doesn't benefit anybody to start a nuclear war. Do you have any idea how much death and destruction that would cause? Nobody wants that. It isn't going to happen.

Just because Russia and China are doing war games doesn't mean they're preparing for war. Countries do war games all the time. The NATO countries have war games. It is just a way of training the troops. What makes you think it is anything more than that?

I agree. Pretty much every country knows that a full scale war would be literal as well as economical suicide. We're too interlinked & interdependent from each other. How it will look if climate chance will start to fully kick in & our natural resources will begin to fail before we come up with adequate alternative technology is another matter. If there is a next WWIII, it will be fought over natural resources, including food & water. Which consequently makes it highly probable that it would be a conventional war, and not a nuclear one (Can't afford to pollute the resources you desperately need...)

you folks have forgotten how much weapons grade uranium may have disappeared on the black market following the demise of the USSR .....thats the real concern....B

That is purely from a Christian point of view, there are many different views on this subject and the "end times". According to Christians, after there is famine, death, etc. then a man will form a one world government, known as the anti-christ. According the Jews, after there is famine, death, etc., a man will usher in an era of peace, and this man will be the promised messiah written in the Tanakh. According to Muslims, after there is worldwide depression and death, their redeemer will come and reunite all the nations of the world together.

Everyone has a different view about this subject, that's just one of them.

I agree with Archosaur. I think the Great War will be a war between modernism and tradition. Scientific progress has erased a lot of our limitations. Limitations that used to be addressed with mythology and cultural taboos no longer exist. But the taboos have been around for thousands of years and tossing them out is like tossing out a basis of culture.

A lot of fundamentalist nuts, especially in the Middle East, would fight to the death to keep things the way they were. These nuts also believe that destroying the entire world will hasten a "Second Coming" of their prophets.

Regarding China and Russia... as long as some fanatic doesn't rise to power, I suspect these cultures are too pragmatic to blow everything sky-high.

There are apocalyptic religious fanatics in the White House and Congress. But it's so easy to focus on the ones in "the Middle East."

'Coz you'd need to be a genius to predict that.

While I do not agree that this will happen, I can't imagine it's very hard to come to such a conclusion. I wouldn't be too concerned about this, China has been posturing with war games for years.

I remember watching the show sightings in the mid to late 90's and they were doing a story about 2012 and a land invasion of the US by China. China has been running war games of a mock invasion for a while now. They are training to invade somewhere, and have been for the last decade. A full scale million man ground invasion kind of stuff. From watching that show I have always kept my eye on China, even though I heard the show sightings was actually ran by the cia, can't confirm that though, but I do know for a fact that China is training for a mass ground invasion for somewhere.

Well, I saw on the news the other day that Europe's elite were gathering to discuss the possibility of creating a constitution for the European Union (EU) Now I belive this may be the "New Roman Empire" that the Anti-christ may take control of someday. Who Knows? I can say this though. Logically, Why would they want to form this constitution? To create a nation or in this case a confederation that will equal the U.S. in economic and military aspirations.

"And ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars; see that ye be not troubled."

I believe that we are in the good years before a great war will break out. The problem is that the U.S. is crumbling, has been for some time. It will not go quietly, particularly since several issues are threatening to put the U.S in a tailspin...only three banks in the entire nation. We did not learn the lesson from the Great Depression. People are listening to our leaders who tell us to be better consumers, to spend more while simultaneously insolating big business and tightening bankruptcy laws. They know something we don't. Look at all the mergers going on. Consolidation in business over the past ten years has skyrocketed on levels never before seen.

All the political relations will be further strained by Resource Conflicts as countries scramble to gain dwindling oil,water, lumber, etc. I see all these people talking about peak oil but next to none commenting on the lack of fresh water that is causing countries around the globe to tap into underground lakes and rivers that will not refill once exhausted. India is particularly in bad shape with this. Yes, it's neat that the mountains don't have snow...but that also means there is no water coming from them for the rivers and lakes.

Further, looking in the Middle East for the AntiChrist is laughable to me. They have very little power or control in comparison with the Western World. How can anyone seriously think they pose a realistic threat when the U.S. military spends more on its annual budget than these people can cough up in a half a decade? Same thing about there being a threat from the U.N. with a one-world government. The U.N. is ineffectual as was its predecessor. The larger countries make sure that it is that way because a functioning U.N. is a threat to their independent interests.

If anybody has been reading New Scientist and other publications over the last three years, the changes in our enviroment are happening so fast that they can't keep up with them. They may not agree with the cause may be, but they do say that the changes are accelerating.

There is always an "end time" for any given era. Doesn't mean the end of the world. It means the end of an Age. The last 40 years have been an era of unchecked greed. We are all going to have to pay that credit card bill when it comes time.

I belive aslo that the EU will eventually become the Beast of revelation, and the whore that rides it will be the Cathloic church.

Hmmm ... and the US is new Jerusalem ruled by gangs?

i also believe that the stage is being set for an all out war....i have read many ideas on the who and why, and i have my own ideas about who will fight who...but i am sure it is coming sooner than we think...will it be the final page in history for the world?...who knows...one world order will be the order at some time in the future...commerce is laying the foundation for this right now...if you believe in the Bible, God, and Jesus, then you will know what to watch for and how to react...

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lol those are like the most obvious combatants of a new war ever, except Russia currently isn't really a threat at all, unless you believe in the whole crazy red alert 2 theory (taken from the game). But who else would the United States fight if not China? Every other countries lack both resources and power. Personally, China isn't that bad, but they have the only army to take on the US, so this is a pretty obvious choice. However, a new war would be pointless, why would they fight it? Religion? I doubt that any normal modern-minded American, Canadian, or Northern European person has any belief in the God of yesteryear and so there's no reason to fight another country that has no religion now is there? Besides, don't worry, your god will protect you from harm, why would he want people to fight, he likes some people but not others? Cause that would be pretty human-like now don't you think?

Btw, one more thing, about the anti-christ, make up your mind, who comes first, Jesus or the anti-christ, because I don't recall an anti-christ when Jesus was alive. And why would John write of such an important event of the apocalypse in such metaphor, rather than just say straight out, "this is what will happen and this is when", that's the problem with the bible, the important things for some reason are always non-literal when the stupidest things are, explain that for me please.

One more thing, I apologize if any of this sounded sarcastic or mean, it's just the way I write, I'll try to tone it down next time if it came off a bit too offensive, but I do want you to answer those questions, I'm not flaming.

People need to get off the high horse and realize the US is not and will not be a super power forever... its inivitable for every greater society to fall, history has proven this. I dont think the US will have to fight anyone to decline... US will probly self emplode just like the Romans and with the help of terrorist attacks to speed up the process, which will make it easy for anyone to step in and not have to do the work of a full scale invasion. With a economy in depression and goverment in disarray anythings possible and military might means nothing at that point...

While what you say is mostly true, nobody really wants to hear it. Military might always dissolves with the government. But this time it will be something different, it will not implode because of taking help from the outside (i.e. Rome, the British Empire) in but because it limited its economics to taking from the outside, at the end even outsourcing crucial industries required for its survival. And all to amass some green paper.

Yes neph it scares me too.

But the anti-christ was Ceasar Nero. Look up 666 and anti-christ in wikipedia.

Of course you won't believe it

Yes they know it would be suicidal.

Any countries that have such a monstrous fast growing economies as these do are not going to shoot themselves in the foot .

I am worried more about "energy wars".

I'd also worry more about climate change. That is everyones problem

Daniel told Nebuchadnezzar that God had made him a king of kings, saying: "You are this head of gold." Here, God was revealing the power and authority that He, the Creator of the universe, was giving Nebuchadnezzar and his kingdom. Notice that the image also symbolized great empires to come. What were those empires that Bible prophecy predicted? Here is Daniel’s description: "But after you shall arise another kingdom inferior to yours; then another, a third kingdom of bronze, which shall rule over all the earth. And the fourth kingdom shall be as strong as iron, inasmuch as iron breaks in pieces and shatters everything; and like iron that crushes, that kingdom will break in pieces and crush all the others. Whereas you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter’s clay and partly of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; yet the strength of the iron shall be in it, just as you saw the iron mixed with ceramic clay. And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly fragile. As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not mix with clay" (Daniel 2:39–43).

Who were these empires? Again, all serious Bible scholars agree on their identity. Daniel continued to describe what would eventually happen to this great image. The head of gold represented the Babylonian Empire from 625 to 539bc. This empire was replaced by the Medo-Persian Empire from 558 to 330bc, represented by the chest and arms of silver. The belly and thighs of bronze represented the Greco-Macedonian Empire of Alexander the Great from 333 to 31bc. The two legs of iron represented the rising and falling Roman Empire, which first rose in 31bc, and most recently fell with the collapse of the German-Italian Axis at the end of World War II. The ten toes of iron mixed with clay represent one final future revival of the Roman Empire.


See Ceaser Nero was a Roman leader which which was the forth Babylonian Empire, so that shows you the anti-christ will most likley be the leader of the next ressurected Babylonian Empire aka the Beast of Revelations...

Yeah, yeah I know that the US is gonna emplode based on a revolution cased by the population it cannot hold anymore, and yes, like you said, it does not have to fight anyone, but terrorist attacks will really do nothing, I seriously doubt that when the US collapses, if it does, then hostile countries will rush in and take over. I am not a US citizen, but let me tell you why it has less of a chance that it will emplode. It is based on freedom. Unlike Rome where decisions were made by the emperor or the republic, in the US, the important decisions are made by every US citizen, together, so if the US collapses, unlike Rome, unlike the Holy Roman Empire, it will be based on a democratic vote, not a violent revolt. Also, keep your mind off of the US for a second, look at one of the most sucessful empires of the world, that is, the British Empire, did it collapse brutally? No, the United Kingdom is still as rich as it always was, the GBP is worth double what the USD is. But it didn't collapse did it? No, it gave it's colonies independance, yet those countries are still under British watch. You tell me what happened to the powerful fall there?

You are not trying to imply that Great Britain is the world power it used to be before WWII are you?

And it did not give its colonies independence, it could ill afford to keep them. If we talk history we should talk history and not nationalistic poppycock.

And about under British watch... hey they can't even control Mugabe.

You are right completly right and make a good point, I understand that completely. I have no idea whats instore for my country. My point of that post was just to state we are not invinsible.

This is a completely differnent arguement, but the US goverement is a puppet show ran by lobbiest and Corporate America. Corporate America will sale out the citizens of US in a second if it made them a buck *cough* outsourcing. Ohh and the Illuminatti too jk... these views might be a little absract but I have almost lost all faith in my goverment to do the right thing. They caiter to certain groups and peoples even if the popular majority disaggrees....just look at our Immigration Bill delima.. War in Iraq..I could go on and on but you get the jist. I find the points you made about the goverment make the US even more susceptible to demise we almost need a violent revolt to put these politicians in check, again im being fesecious

The important decisions in the US are made by the president and voted on by congress. The people dont vote on everything, they just vote for the people who will represent them best.



The British Empire fell apart, but Britain didn't. It would be like the Ottoman Empire falling apart but Turkey still being a strong nation. Empires rise and fall, the fall isn't always brutal.

Frankly, If there is a world war 3, I am sitting it out until the fundamentalists wipe themselves out.