I found a web site with an interesting theory of life, God and the soul. One statement is "Quantum mechanics shows that every point in the vacuum possesses an infinite amount of energy, unmanifest, unformed energy." Read the link I am sending, I would appreciate your opinions. http://biologyofkundalini.com/article.php?...iontoZero-Point

A magnificent read! At the heart of every faith that ever declared it knows god, there is power seen and unseen, that proves we are not alone and itself is not dogma. I love it! If you've ever experienced Kundalini yoga, you'll know in your self, the essence of what this article tries to communicate in words.
Thank you for thinking of us, by sharing this link here.

Thank you Goddess, I hope others read this and hopefully understand it.

I hope venom makes it onto the board to discuss this. He is very interested on zero-point energy as it relates to consciousness.

to quote:
"I think more like a quantum Buddhist, in that there is a universal proto-conscious mind which we access, and can influence us. But it actually exists at the funda-mental level of the universe, at the Planck scale." ~ Stuart Hameroff

Be it this, or morhogenetic fields, or something else, there is an interconnectedness within the universal system that we for the most part do not consciously experience. However, there is also the effect of thinking we are interconnected (not alone) that is soothing for the social animal and this alone can have positive effect on the psyche.

Its a very interesting concept and may actually be true or darn close. It does seem that coherence of cells or groups of cells (a person) are able to communicate even at great distances (coherance of souls?). I my self have experienced this and it was undeniable, especially it seems if its something of major importance. I had a thought come to me repeatedly (four or five times with in 5 min. or so) and at that time made no sense. It was a persons name and it was regarding a health issue from a person 2,000 miles away, I found out later that day via the telephone (about four hours later) that at about the same exact time this issue was affecting this person 2,000 miles away, this thought was repeating in my mind. Needless to say, it blew my mind. This is not made up, its totally true.

Well, think of what is called "Twin speak". Twins will often finish one another's sentences, because they're on the same wave length of thought, in a conversation. Or , miles away, they'll feel what the other is feeling, or dream about the other twin that's in a totally different time zone, and so is doing what the sleeping twin sees in their dreams. There are studies about such stuff, because it intrigues the medical community, this link between twins.

Then there's what some call faith healing. Some people give it up to god, but regardless of crediting something unseen, it's been witnessed in medical science, that people holding empathy for someone in need of healing can focus their conscious will for their healing, in such a way as the person recovers. And in the 90's there was a huge market for books related to what was called, "Creative Visualization". Shakti Gwain, was among one of the most popular authors of such titles, at the time.

And how about precognizance!? Seeing something before it happens. Or whats even called "Deja Vu". Not to mention the sciences say that all time is now and that our time as we know it, was said by a deep space NASA probe some years ago, to end in our solar system. So , in other words, outside our solar system time ceases to exist. Compare that with dimensional theories, or all those dimensions outside this aware 3rd dimensional consciousness, and who can say that what we know here, is all there is to know in the whole galaxy of probabilities!? I find it fascinating, this world within worlds, theory. It's especially intriguing, I think, if one has experienced something that is not usual for this mundane reality. Like what you said Essene. That sort of confirms all this, isn't really all that there is. Which is actually a relief, in many ways.

I could tell you tales of altered states (no, not drug induced) that I have experienced. The question becomes were they eye opening or eye closing experiences (which state was more delusional?).

I could also share examples of what the side-effects of brain altering drugs can induce. There is also that research into finding the "god drug" (a drug that induces a deep prayer or deep meditative state).

Aternate realities abound, and which one is closest to the real reality we can't say. We just must not be led by the false concept of "the majority", for just because everybody closes their eyes does not mean there is not something to see.

Here is another link regarding this. Its a paper produced by an RN that was to be peer reviewed. Its pretty good. http://www.journaloftheoretics.com/Articles/1-2/benford.html

I appreciate the additional link.

I also have a point about the Shipov research into Torsion field theory. There is an allegation, made by the Russians, that this theory of waves in vacuum space, is a fraud. This isn't net rumor, mind. Rather it is an allegation made by Russian academia.

Is anyone here familiar with such claims?!

Excerpt, for brevity. (Source)

In 1993, G.I. Shipov published a book "Theory of Physical Vacuum" wherein he described "Akimov's torsion generators and torsion technologies" (with pictures). Second edition of the book appeared in 1997, and in 1998 the third edition ("new and improved", "now in English") was published, whereafter the Russian Academy of Sciences organized the Commission Against Falsification of Scientific Research and conducted a scientific examination of the Shipov book. Results of the examination were published, in 2000, in the Russian Physics-Uspekhi Journal (vol. 3, 2000). Academician of RAS Dr. Valery Rubakov, who is a member of the RAS Commission, wrote a review on G.I. Shipov's book. Download the full English text of Dr. Rubakov's review (requires a subscription to Physics-Uspekhi). Physics-Uspekhi, # 3, 2000. V.A. Rubakov: review on the book by G.I.Shipov "Theory of Physical Vacuum". In the review, Dr. V.A. Rubakov conclusively demonstrates that the Shipov book abounds with mathematical errors and false statements. In the end of his review, Dr. Valery Rubakov writes: "The book by G.I. Shipov might not have deserved a review in Physics-Uspekhi if it were not for the following circumstances. G.I. Shipov's "theory" is being actively propagandized by its author and his collaborators... And that is, undoubtedly, to the detriment of science and education... The possibility of existence of torsion fields have long been debated in scientific literature. But if such fields do exist, their interaction with matter must be extremely weak... Existing experimental and astrophysical data excludes the posibility to generate or register torsion fields with devices like "Akimov's torsion generators" described in the book by G.I. Shipov."

Chairman of the Commission Against Falsification of Scientific Research, RAS Academician, Dr. Edward P. Kruglyakov: "From time to time Akimov gets caught in fraud. For example, in 1996 he stated, "The first flying saucer will soon be tested at Korolev Rocket and Space Corporation ENERGIA. Its principle of propulsion is completely new - there is no use of a reactive force. If the tests are successful there is a real prospect of a conversion of all transportation, automobiles, trains, etc. to a new principle without the use of internal combustion engines" ("Chisty Mir [A Clean World Newspaper]", N4, 1996). And here is a comment of V.P. Legostayev, the First Vice President and First Deputy Chief Designer of ENERGIA: "ENERGIA has not been working on, is not working on, and does not expect to be working on the development of 'flying saucers' based on a torsion field generator". Why am I describing this adventure in so much detail? The problem is, although there is not a single supporter of A.E. Akimov in the Physics Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences and although the Physics Section of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences has harshly condemned the activity of A.E. Akimov and his henchman G.I. Shipov in the Physical Sciences Branch of the RAS, the torsion fraud is seizing newer and newer bridgeheads. Under the supervision of Mr. Akimov several closed stock companies have been formed which in recent years have gathered a harvest not only inside the country but also in the international arena." (From Report made by Academician E.P.Kruglyakov at the Presidium of the Russian Academy of Sciences Meeting, May 27, 2003. )

I don't want to see this thread die the way so many like it have, so here is something else to ponder:



http://www.experiencefestival.com/cosmic_consciousness

"Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves."

-Bill Hicks

Dear Bill Hicks,

Been there, seen that. All this, aint all that.

Thanks Goddess, I did not know that torsion field may be a fake regarding the Russians. I Iooked it up and also found a reference to "spin".
The electron, despite being an elementary particle, possesses a nonzero magnetic moment. One of the triumphs of the theory of quantum electrodynamics is its accurate prediction of the electron g-factor, which has been experimentally determined to have the value 2.0023193043768(86), with the first 12 figures certain. The value of 2 arises from the Dirac equation, a fundamental equation connecting the electron's spin with its electromagnetic properties, and the correction of 0.00231930437... arises from the electron's interaction with the surrounding electromagnetic field, including its own field.

Composite particles also possess magnetic moments associated with their spin. In particular, the neutron possesses a non-zero magnetic moment despite being electrically neutral. This fact was an early indication that the neutron is not an elementary particle. In fact, it is made up of quarks, which are charged particles. The magnetic moment of the neutron comes from the moments of the individual quarks and their orbital motions.

The neutrinos are both elementary and electrically neutral, and theory indicates that they have zero magnetic moment. The measurement of neutrino magnetic moments is an active area of research. As of 2003, the latest experimental results have put the neutrino magnetic moment at less than 1.3 × 10-10 times the electron's magnetic moment./
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin_%28physics%29

Thanks for the link hyperactive. So much information out there regarding this, it will take time to digest it all.

Very interesting thread & article linked in the OP!

I really don't know what to say,
and how to organize my thoughts,
to convey what I know,
in the best possible way. - PC

So here goes nothing...

I would slot kundalini & all the jazz that goes with it into a "middle" layer between what is and what we see/perceive is. Definitely a much more fitting layer than other religions that tend to personify a god of sorts. Having said that, kundalini & chakras etc. are yet another way of imposing a reality but being much closer to the true nature of reality, IMHO.

I don't know why but I like the term "proto-consciousness" much better than "pure consciousness" (coined here by b_n_w) even though in the past I have vehemently argued against calling the universe "consciousness". Proto gives it a much more broad and elementary meaning rather than the consciousness we're used to.

Absolutely agree with that.

IMHO, there is only one state that is 'eye' openning the others are all delusional with an element of degree of delusion.

And IMO we will never be able to say because once the true reality is realised you cannot say anything. "Tongue-tied and twisted just an earth-bound misfit, I" - (Learning to Fly) Pink Floyd comes to mind. Many have tried to say but it never pays justice to what is experienced. I've tried to describe it before and have always been left disappointed.

I like that other article on "cosmic consciousness" you have found & posted hyperactive. Particularly Bucke's findings...
I'll never forget October 2005.

Oh, there's so much I want to say. You'd be pleasantly surprised just how simple reality really is and how & why nothing exists.

Essene & Goddess, I like the way you keep in touch with reality by bringing science to the table. Few realise just how an important a role science plays in all this. IMHO, it is the tether to the underlying reality of what we observe. Without the tether we'd be floating around in wonderland as some already are.

Once again, great thread!

Cheers

I can't tell you how excited I am to see this subject brought up. It is a passion of mine, and is what lead me initially into the involvement of neuroscience and quantum mechanics. I've had extraordinary experiences, and because of that, I wanted to explore the possibility that perhaps my experiences may have all been in my head, or better yet...my brain. Neurotheology just hasn't shown me enough evidence to rule out the possibility that these experiences are indeed beyond the brain. From my own research and from personal experience, I believe they are beyond that, and it excites me to no end when I find others who are open minded to these "realities" or as it has been coined a "new-reality".



I couldn't agree more.



"One of the most surprising discoveries of modern physics is that objects aren't as separate as they may seem. When you drill down into the core of even the most solid-looking material, separateness dissolves. These connections were predicted by quantum theory and were called "spooky action at a distance" by Albert Einstein. The deeper reality suggested by the existence of entanglement is so unlike the world of everyday experience that until recently, many physicists believed it was interesting only for abstract theoretical reasons. They accepted that the microscopic world of elementary particles could become curiously entangled, but those entangled states were assumed to be fleeting and have no practical consequences for the world as we experience it." Thankfully, that view is rapidly changing.

Scientist are now finding that there are ways in which the effects of microscopic entanglements "scaleup" into our macroscopic world. Entangled connections between carefully prepared atomic-sized objects can persist over many miles. Others suggest that conscious awareness is caused or related in some important way to entangled particles in the brain. Some have even gone as far as to propose that the entire universe is a single, self-entangled object." This sort of thing excites me because it evokes a feeling of awe that there's more to reality than common sense implies.

"Science is at the very earliest stages of this understanding, and there is much yet to learn, but what they've seen so far provides a new way of thinking in regard to rare human talents, divine gifts, or "powers" that transcend ordinary physical boundaries. The idea of the universe as an interconnected whole is certainly not new...it's been the core assumptions underlying Eastern philosophies. What is new is that Western science is slowly beginning to realize that some elements of those core assumptions might not have been to far off the mark." Entangled Minds by Dean Radin Great thread Essene

What can I say intriguing, fascinating, and truly enlightening. Thank you Essene I'm off now to the woods now to truly meditate on this!

yes, yes, yes, ai. It must come back to science and not superstition if we are to have any understanding at all.

Its great to converse with people who can look outside the box and try to truly understand why we think and why are we here. Science does guide us but sometimes science really doesn't have all the answers. I have studied some theory's on this subject almost daily for the last seven months and I have some interesting links, some are better than others and border on quackery but you have to weed through some of the things that are stated and published. The one thing that got me interested at first was a google vid called "Lost Secrets of the Sacred Ark" with Laurence Gardner narrating. So in between studying the ancients, religion, quantum physics and mechanics, superconductivity and the like is needless to say difficult to learn and understand. I will send a few more links that may interest most of you. http://www.halexandria.org/dward156.htm http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/Docum...ntumbiology.htm

As far as kundalini is concerned, I honestly feel that many westerners have a huge misunderstanding of what it's all about. It's not a way to gain mystical, paranormal powers. It's a path towards self-realization and union with god and all of creation. These things that people would classify as supernatural are just obstacles on the path towards elightenment. Everyone who practices kundalini or any other form of regular meditation experiences them. In Zen it's called Mayko. Some people get stuck on them because of ego. You have to ignore it, and get past it to achieve no-mind, and eventually enlightenment/kundalini.

Very well stated, I think the key to this is being as one with the universe that has limitless power available to anyone who knows how to tap into this. I saw over the weekend "The Life of Bruce Lee" and in one part Bruce stated to the extent that westerners don't understand what needs to be done to master what he has and even are a bit scared once they figure out what it is and may not truly understand it. It takes years of meditation to acquire what Buddhist monks have. I am rather new to this but have known about this side of inner self for many years. I did visit Asia many times over a two year period and it was an eye opener regarding the culture's there.

I've been reluctant to share an experience that I believe was kundalini, but here goes........nothing venture, nothing gained. On November 11th of '05, I was sitting in the dark, in my living in the wee hours of the morning. I had been awakened by the moon shining in my bedroom window, actually in my face. For some reason, this wasn't the only time I'd awakened this early, as it seemed my body clock had changed.

While sitting with actually nothing running through my head (which was unusual), I began to feel a sensation in my lower back...a burning type sensation and at first it felt uncomfortable. It was actually at the base of my spine, and it gradually began to feel like moving energy of some sort, but remained there for a while...then all of a sudden shot up through my spin and out the top of my head. I also felt like this energy had shot out through my eyes as well and I saw lots of colors. I was not taking any form of drugs. Afterwords, there really are no words to describe what I experienced, so I'll leave it at that.

The after effects: The next day I felt completely different. I cried a lot, but it wasn't out of sadness, but out of awe, and I was emotional like this and in a fog/daze for what seemed like weeks. I became aware of things I'd never noticed before, especially in nature. My thoughts were no longer focused on the past/future, but the present.....and there was an awareness I'd never had before. When I looked into the mirror that day to put on my make-up, I appeared to look differently. I definitely noticed a difference in my skin, as it seemed much more toned, and with more color, and to my amazement......the stretch marks on my stomach from having a baby were completely gone. I had a rather large mole under my arm that I was getting concerned about and was planning to have removed...it was gone, no trace of the mole, not even a scar.

My hair has always been naturally curly, but not curly, curly...just lots of waves. From the crown of my head, my hair started growing in completely straight. Straight as a board. To this day, I still have both curly and straight hair, and now have to use a straight iron on my hair daily or else it looks quite odd...lol.

I haven't been sick, not even a sniffle since that day in Nov of '05, and I've been exposed to flu and colds many times. I don't even get headaches, and that was something I experienced often. Before this experience, I was using a cane to walk with, and had been for quite some time, as I had fallen down a flight of stairs and injured my knee quite badly, and was going to have surgery. It would daily swell to the size of a cantaloupe. My knee was completely pain free, and the swelling gone, and has remained that way. I also had been experiencing quite a bit of pain from my lower back due to remaining scar tissue that had formed after having a rupture disc surgically removed . From that day on, I was pain free. Within a month, I had lost the 10 extra pounds I had trouble loosing after childbirth, and I've maintained my weight.

My eyesight improved as well, and I had to get my contact prescription changed almost immediately. Due to an enormous amount of stress in my life incurred by the loss of a spouse, and on top of that identity theft which left me in debt up to my eyeballs, as well as raising a small child alone...I hadn't had a period in 4 years. I started that same week. I've also had some very interesting paranormal experiences as well. Let's just say, my life hasn't been the same since.

For you experts out there...would you say I had a kundalini experience?? I read a book not to long ago that pretty much fell in my lap, and it was about Kundaline Awakening, by Robert Morgen. From what I can glean from that book, my opinion in the matter is yes...I did have such an experience. I've had simular experiences after that, but nothing like that day. In this book it said that sometimes kundalini could be brought on by trauma, NDE, as well as meditation. I'd never meditated a day in my life before that, and have never had an NDE. All I know is, I'm so thankful for having this experience and I live with gratitude daily.

I wouldn't call myself an expert. Any opinion that I would offer up would be just that--an opinion. If it makes you happy and you truly feel better about yourself for it then it is probably a step in the right direction....BUT it takes people years of intense meditation to reach a state of self-awareness through kundalini meditation. The chances that you reached there by accident are slim to none.

Hi Fylgja, thanks for your reply. Are you basing your comment on your own personal experience, or are you going by what literature you've read or perhaps a teacher told you. From what I've read, there is such a thing as a spontaneous kundalina awakening, and many who experience such an awakening don't really know what's happened, and many experience depression, epilepsy, and paranoia and other physical discomforts from the release of this energy. I've also read that many of the people who have accessed this energy have needed to be treated medically, and their symtoms are for the most part unrecognized and/or misunderstood. What happened to me is nothing short of a miracle, imo. Robert Morgen, the author of "Kundalinai Awakening_For Personal Mastery had a spontaneous kundalini awakening experience while lying paralyzed in the hospital after breaking his neck from diving into shallow waters. He had this experience and was healed from paralysis. He stated he had never meditated before, and that he didn't even know what a chakra was, but came to understand his experience after much research. So now you've got me somewhat confused here by your statement. Anyhoo, what I experienced was completely life changing...and whether is was kundalini or not matters not to me.

I've read a bit here and there and have a few years experience. That's why I said I am not an expert. I'm interested in reading some of the stuff you mentioned though. Sounds very interesting!

KUNDALINI SIGNS AND SYMPTOMS
by El Collie

Many individuals whose Kundalini has been unexpectedly unleashed DO NOT KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING, and the prevailing social ignorance about this multidimensional transformative process makes it hard to find medical or alternative health practitioners or spiritual advisors who recognize the symptoms, particularly when they are strongly physical. Many people know that the risen Kundalini flings open gates to all sorts of mystical, paranormal and magical vistas but few realize it can also dramatically impact the body. A large percentage of our old Shared Transformation newsletter subscribers reported long bouts of strange illness as well as radical mental, emotional, interpersonal, psychic, spiritual and lifestyle changes. Over and again we hear stories of frustrating, sometimes desperate visits to doctors, healers, counselors, etc. who neither understood nor were able to help with the myriad pains and problems catalyzed by raging Kundalini.


Click here -- This letter is typical of the hundreds we receive from people struggling with strange symptoms and Kundalini illnesses:


The following are common manifestations of the risen Kundalini:

Muscle twitches, cramps or spasms.

Energy rushes or immense electricity circulating the body

Itching, vibrating, prickling, tingling, stinging or crawling sensations

Intense heat or cold

Involuntary bodily movements (occur more often during meditation, rest or sleep): jerking, tremors, shaking; feeling an inner force pushing one into postures or moving one's body in unusual ways. (May be misdiagnosed as epilepsy, restless legs syndrome (RLS), or PLMD.)

Alterations in eating and sleeping patterns

Episodes of extreme hyperactivity or, conversely, overwhelming fatigue (some CFS victims are experiencing Kundalini awakening)

Intensified or diminished sexual desires

Headaches, pressures within the skull

Racing heartbeat, pains in the chest

Digestive system problems

Numbness or pain in the limbs (particularly the left foot and leg)

Pains and blockages anywhere; often in the back and neck (Many cases of FMS are Kundalini-related.)

Emotional outbursts; rapid mood shifts; seemingly unprovoked or excessive episodes of grief, fear, rage, depression

Spontaneous vocalizations (including laughing and weeping) -- are as unintentional and uncontrollable as hiccoughs

Hearing an inner sound or sounds, classically described as a flute, drum, waterfall, birds singing, bees buzzing but which may also sound like roaring, whooshing, or thunderous noises or like ringing in the ears.

Mental confusion; difficulty concentrating

Altered states of consciousness: heightened awareness; spontaneous trance states; mystical experiences (if the individual's prior belief system is too threatened by these, they can lead to bouts of psychosis or self-grandiosity)

Heat, strange activity, and/or blissful sensations in the head, particularly in the crown area.

Ecstasy, bliss and intervals of tremendous joy, love, peace and compassion

Psychic experiences: extrasensory perception; out-of-body experiences; pastlife memories; astral travel; direct awareness of auras and chakras; contact with spirit guides through inner voices, dreams or visions; healing powers

Increased creativity: new interests in self-expression and spiritual communication through music, art, poetry, etc.

Intensified understanding and sensitivity: insight into one's own essence; deeper understanding of spiritual truths; exquisite awareness of one's environment (including "vibes" from others)

Enlightenment experiences: direct Knowing of a more expansive reality; transcendent awareness


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Some people have told us they find the concept of "Kundalini" foreign and prefer to simply call this their "awakening," which is fine with us. But for most who contact us, the Kundalini explanation provides an important framework with which to accept and work with their experiences. We each have a unique way of interpreting, honoring and describing our spiritual wisdom. I do not believe there is only one right way to know or express the truth. Far more important, I believe, is to have an open heart and to be faithful to our own path, wherever it may lead.

We have also been asked why we do not put more emphasis on union with the Divine and God-realization, which are very much central to spiritual awakening. Since everyone experiences and interprets their mystical experiences differently and very personally, to make sure no one will feel excluded, we just speak of "awakening consciousness" or "transcendent states" on the ST Web pages. In our Shared Transformation newsletter, individuals with variant religious beliefs are welcome to (and DO) tell about their experiences of this sort. Some speak of God, Christ, Goddess, the Holy One, Spirit, or simply a magnificent Whole in which we all partake.

Also, for some people, profound spiritual realizations do not occur until months or years after the other signs and symptoms. Individuals who are having experiences of an obvious spiritual nature are usually more able to integrate and benefit from the process, regardless of how they may label it. But those who experience what seems to be illness or weird psychic phenomena often are very alarmed until they understand that they are not sick or crazy. And even the enlightening and beautiful experiences can be so powerful that people doubt their sanity. This is why the information and validation we offer through Shared Transformation is so valuable.

www.elcollie.com/st/symptoms.html

Excellent post, My understanding there is what some call "Chakra's?" and there is four of them. Evidently the main one is at the base of the spine, the other ones are at the mid chest, base of the skull and near the top of the head about forehead level. You described pretty much exactly what it is suppose to do, it starts at the base of the spine and moves up. There is one other location I have heard of and its about 18" above the head, I am not sure if its considered a "chakra" or not. From the sounds of it you have had a pretty tough time and I think maybe the universal being decided to help. Medically the doctors probably stated it was a "miraculous recovery" meaning they don't have a clue why it happened. I am very glad you are better and I hope the best for you and all others in this perceived life we enjoy.

Essene, thank you for your kind words.

I hope this thread won't fade away so quickly. Would love for others to share their thoughts on the Biology of Kundalini. Stimulating conversation anyone??? This is the first time I've ever explored with others openly on this subject.

I would say you definitely had a kundalini experience.




I disagree.





Hi Inner Space.....I think that kundalini is not just the result of meditating etc.....but is a kind of 'energy field'.

My own experience is this....I've always been prone to empathy and the physical effects from this.
ie. If a child or animal or someone I'm close to (or sometimes with strangers as well)....is physically
injured I get an energy rush in the womb area. That's if I'm tuning into them. I make a point of joining
in with national, and occationally international....silences. If I'm relaxed and receptive I tune in and...pow,
I can feel the energy...get physical energy/electrical? rushes and often sob and cry. Then recover quite
quickly, and carry on as normal! Just saying this to illustrate that my kundalini experience had a bit
of a build up........


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Don't want to make this post too long... I'm already EXPOSING myself...like you, I hesitate...but...

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THEN....just before Christmas I had a spontaneous kundalini experience in the night...the incredibly
strong electrical-like energy rising up the spine. It woke me up. I had never had it before, but had heard
about it and knew straight away what it was.

THEN...in January I was having this strong dream about someone that I had had a major romance with
in the past, and who had recently died at the age of 46. To cut a long story short. He was having a
problem (in the dream) passing over and he had someone helping him. I wanted to help and I was
repeating over and over....I love you, I love you, I love you.

I had the kundalini rising up my spine again....about 4 times. When it got about half way each time I
kind of tuned out and woke up. I thought I had stopped it in it's tracks...through apprehension...but now
I'm considering that maybe it did go higher but in a less strong way....up the higher areas...not sure
about this.

I haven't had the physical stuff that you have described, I think you had a major erruption! But I
think something has happened to me that has had created subtle changes.

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Thanks for telling your kundalini story.....I wanted to give you some feedback.....There's a lot more
of this kundalini thing going on than people realise......in my opinion....

Your very welcome Inner Space. This thread may die as they say and part of the reason maybe is because most cant comprehend the universal coherence or they don't want to know. Anyway, I am sending another link that explains superconducting that is a relatively easy read and may help explain the coherence of matter. http://www.meta-religion.com/Physics/Gravi...es_by_htc_s.htm

The Self is self protecting to a degree. For people to engage in open minded discussion about such a thing they would have to accept the possibility that they too might undergo such an experience.

Some of the changes that occur are subtle enough to be camouflaged by other feelings and experiences, such as an illness, during sleep or falling in love or in a gathering of people full of complicated interplay and also maybe happen during childhood or adolescence where such things are soon forgotten. Peoples conscious awareness of the experience of the Kundalini process might therefore be a partial one and sometimes necessarily so.

Bee, thank you so much for sharing some of your experiences. I would like to privately share some of mine with you, so I plan to pm ya.





I completely understand!!!

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Yes...electrical-like energy is a great description.





I got goose bumps reading that, whoa.





...and I can't tell you how much I appreciate your feedback Bee. Thank you so much for taking the time to post, and for making yourself vulnerable to the world, if you well, by sharing. I feel a kindred spirit with you. *hug*



Essene, thank you for the link. I got tickled when you said it was a relatively easy read...lol. I had to keep referring to my online Physics Dictionary, and thus...will need to spend some time digesting all this information. That website is awesome. I was really drawn to the Neurology page. I'm so glad you shared this site with me....much appreciated.

I will have to agree with you in that I'm sure most don't want to know about this. Quoting Einstein "it's spooky".



Serpentine, I'll have to agree with you based on my own need to "self protect". My past dogmatic beliefs would have never allowed me to think outside the box, and engage in an open minded discussion such as this. I guess it took a lot of sh*t happening to me before I surrendered to the fact that "I knew nothing".

I believe you're right though...there are a lot of people who have experienced kundalini, and didn't know or understand what was happening. I, for one, believe I may have had many kundalini experiences before the "big" one, but didn't recognize it. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

Interconnectedness is, in my humble opinion, the wrong concept within which to consider the nature of reality and how consciousness exists within this. Interconnectedness implies a separation, which I believe is only apparent in the limited, 3-dimensional spacetime we are able to perceive with the 'senses' we possess.

In M-Theory, the extra dimensions necessary for unification (some say 6 extra, some say 7) exist wrapped in a Calabi-Yau Manifold/Space. This C-Y Space exists everywhere inside the 3-D 'normal' space, but it is the same C-Y space that exists everywhere.

Consciousness, or the energy of consciousness, exists also within this space and so exists simultaneously everywhere within 3-D space. The 'interconnectedness' could be the 'spreading out' effect of the point-source across 3-D space and is an illusion of separation. Why does consciousness therefore not manifest equally across space? I don't know as I haven't developed my idea to that point but I suspect it aligns with some of the ideas put forth in Essene's OP, particularly the musings on monatomic states by David Hudson. He likens the effect of this to a polarisation of matter and I'm intrigued that this could, perhaps, be one of the causes (or facilitators) for the manifestation of consciousness in a particular place in 3-D space. I will have to think on this further.

Don't ask me to explain this idea much further as it's a work in progress and I don't have the Physics or Maths (or Biology) to describe it as yet.

Back to kundalini. Inner Space and Bee, thank you both for sharing those wonderful experiences. While they may have had their origin in distressful personal experience the outcome seems to have been quite uplifting for both of you and your courage in putting those experiences in words here is inspirational for all of us.

Interesting thought...I'll share more of the subject when I get my ducks in a row.




Leo, you are such a gentleman. Thank you.

Thank you Leonardo for your insight and it sounds like you have more extensive knowledge than I regarding the math aspect. I am more into theory, but I did extensive maths 30 years ago but I am bit rusty now. I hope your calculations will bear the fruit that is needed to prove to the so called modern scientists what really maybe going on. Great link you sent also, I will forward to others I know. As for the interconnectedness way of thinking you maybe right but I believe coherence with the meaning of all things seen and unseen are in a constant connection. Some times we as so called higher beings are aware of this coherence only when it makes it self strongly felt or known by us and is not to most an ongoing occurrence that is felt constantly but it is constant evidently and we are as one, everything and everyone are part of this and are not separate. In the religious aspect some believe we are all like a light that is connected to God, like fingers of light all connecting to one point (zero point?) which is God, or maybe Gods light shines on us, emanating from God . As for other dimensions, obviously they may come into play and scalar waves also maybe a big part of this coherence. All of my thoughts on this is just a conjecture and I maybe wrong in some of my theory's but I maybe close and it is to me fun to fathom all of this. Oh and Hi Bee, good to see you here!!!

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Interconnectedness is, in my humble opinion, the wrong concept within which to consider the nature of reality and how consciousness exists within this. Interconnectedness implies a separation, which I believe is only apparent in the limited, 3-dimensional spacetime we are able to perceive with the 'senses' we possess.

In M-Theory, the extra dimensions necessary for unification (some say 6 extra, some say 7) exist wrapped in a Calabi-Yau Manifold/Space. This C-Y Space exists everywhere inside the 3-D 'normal' space, but it is the same C-Y space that exists everywhere.

Consciousness, or the energy of consciousness, exists also within this space and so exists simultaneously everywhere within 3-D space. The 'interconnectedness' could be the 'spreading out' effect of the point-source across 3-D space and is an illusion of separation. Why does consciousness therefore not manifest equally across space? I don't know as I haven't developed my idea to that point but I suspect it aligns with some of the ideas put forth in Essene's OP, particularly the musings on monatomic states by David Hudson. He likens the effect of this to a polarisation of matter and I'm intrigued that this could, perhaps, be one of the causes (or facilitators) for the manifestation of consciousness in a particular place in 3-D space. I will have to think on this further.

Don't ask me to explain this idea much further as it's a work in progress and I don't have the Physics or Maths (or Biology) to describe it as yet.

Back to kundalini. Inner Space and Bee, thank you both for sharing those wonderful experiences. While they may have had their origin in distressful personal experience the outcome seems to have been quite uplifting for both of you and your courage in putting those experiences in words here is inspirational for all of us.

Leo, according to "Entanglement"...it appears you're on the money. Erwin Schrodinger, one of the founders of quantum theory, used the word entanglement to refer to connections between separated particles that persisted regardless of distance. These connections are instantaneous, operating "outside" the usual flow of time. They imply that at very deep levels, the separations that we see between ordinary, isolated objects are...in a sense, illusions created by our limited perceptions. The bottom line is that physical reality is connected in ways we're just beginning too understand. Entanglement was predicted based upon the mathematics of quantum theory...which I'm sure you're already aware of, , and as I'm sure you are also probably already aware of...entanglement is not just an abstract theoretical concept, nor is it a quantum hiccup that only appears for infinitesimal instants within the atomic realm. It has been repeatedly demonstrated as fact in physics laboratories around the world since 1972. As research accelerates on this surprising characteristic of nature, entangled connections are proving to be more pervasive and robust than anyone had previously imagined. A review of developments on entanglement research in March 2004 by New Scientist writer Michael Brooks concluded that "Physicists now believe that entanglement between particles exists everywhere, all the time...and have recently found shocking evidence that it affects the wider, 'microscopic' world that we inhabit'. Enjoyed your thoughts on the subject.

Thanks for the response, IS.

With regards to my idea and entanglement, I lean towards M-Theory as being a likely candidate for explaining the nature of the physical universe and the entanglement of elementary particles I see happening in the 6 or 7 'invisible' dimensions of that theory. Because the Calabi-Yau space these dimension occupy is the same space everywhere simultaneously the entanglement actually happens across a zero (or as close to zero as measurable) sized space, no matter how far apart the apparent disconnection between the particles in our 3-D space.

In the same way, everything in 3-D space occupies the same Calabi-Yau space. It is essentially the same as physicists have proposed, but I propose a co-incidence of everything rather than just an interconnectedness.

hmmm, I'm not sure I've ever looked at it quite that way before...fuel for thought.

I am very grateful for the input from all of those who have posted here. As I am a bit of a novice in quantum science, I am learning more and more from all of you. I have a challenge in which a lot of people, not just me, need to know why and how and if superconducting material in a monatomic state (using noble metals) can effect (# 1) biological enhancement in which human, plant and animal subjects effectively flourish and become disease resistant when these materials are ingested. (# 2) How and why monatomic materials enhance biological systems to have a greater sense of sensory enhancement as with telepathy and other sixth sense type of effects ./// If anyone is up to this challenge, it needs to be peer reviewed. Its not an easy task I know and some may even be accused of quackery to even consider attempting this. But trust me, if one writes this paper they will do humanity a magnificent favor along the lines of health, increase of food production three fold or more and maybe even enlighten the world's people in many other aspects which may include limitless energy that is non polluting and safe. I am asking of this.. not to have anyone go on a wild goose chase, but to prove what till now is un provable in the aspect of a peer reviewed document. All that I have mentioned for the task I have seen first hand of these effects with many people and even animals. Its a fact. It seems science has taken a turn where if you cant explain it in a equation its not possible. Kind of like the days of the inquisition where if you stated something that did not agree with church doctrine you would be burned at the stake or worse. These days if you step outside the bounds of modern science doctrine you maybe chastised or banished. Some may think I am a nut to even ask this, but I have to try because I know its fact and nobody can tell me other wise. Thank you.

Dang Essene, I'm blown away. Perhaps you should be writing the paper yourself. No way I can answer your questions. Would you care to elaborate on how you've experienced this phenomena (the elixir of life) first hand with people and animals. I haven't studied the subject much, but I've read a bit on the "Philosophers Stone" as well as ORMEs & BECs. I would love to hear more on your thoughts, so please indulge me. I had this website (http://lyghtforce.com/whitegold/ormus.htm) saved to my favorites, and you reminded me of it. So now...you've got my curiosity up. Please share more.

no.......Essene...thankYOU........

I definitely can't write this 'paper'......but I jolly well hope someone can.

At the moment I think I'm too 'hyped' up on the naturally produced stuff ....from the kundalini business,

energy buzzes wondering round the body and the effects of menstuation!!! Plus day to day things.

To write this paper would require a fine balance between the right and left brain....and a very tough

constitution....wasn't David Hudson hounded and virtually destroyed??

Anyway.....thanks for the original article in opening post...I will be re-reading it a few times to really take

it in fully.....I'm going to print it off later.






So am I.....in a kind of whirlwind of emotion and thought....but looking and functioning normally

on the outside......

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ahhhh yes...that's where brainwave entrainment would come in handy. The synchronization of both hemispheres, creating the effect of "whole brain thinking". A perfected state of oneness, imo.

Its a bit of a story but all too true. My girlfriend has multiple sclerosis (MS). We met about four years ago and at the time I fell for her head over heals I didn't know she had MS. She told me she had it once I professed my love to her and most would think why would someone want to be involved with a person who has a debilitating disease that there is no known cure and could lead to an early death. I didn't care what she had and of course me being a romantic I knew maybe I could help her. I had learned acupressure in Asia about 30 years ago and I am a bit of a novice but it did work with a few problems very well. So I tried it on her and it did work to a certain extent but did not stop all the pain or numbness totally, but it did work. Since she had a good response from the acupressure I told her to see an acupuncturist and it worked even better and had her go to the acupuncturist once every four months or so with near total relief from the effects of MS and was doing extremely well. Well, she had a family emergency and had to be there which is 2,000 miles away in an area not very populated and only one doctor in that area could do the acupuncture and was even better than the doctor she had been using. As fate came once again she had to stay there way longer than we anticipated and in the mean time the doctor had been injured and could no longer practice and she had a relapse which was pretty severe but it passed but it was taking hold of her again. Not a good thing obviously, at about this time I had talked with an old friend whom has been into holistic type of care (he is from Rhode Island and is more like gwedo in the movies, good fellow so to speak and a great guy) and he said check this video out on google called "lost secrets of the sacred ark". I saw the video and it just clicked, I had back ground in studies of magnetic's (gravity) years ago and had the pleasure of discussing theory's of this with one of the top scientists in the world in which he stated "once we master magnetic's (gravity) it will be limitless on what we will be able to do" His name was Chesus. I also knew of "spin waves" about seven years ago and it was stated this type of molecule in a high spin state can go into another dimension but did not mention what type of material it was. So hence, once I saw the video I studied it further extensively and I decided to try it on my self before I told my girlfriend about it. I was lucky to be recommended to a master Alchemist and was told (not by the Alchemist) that maybe M3 which is rhodium, iridium and gold in a monatomic state which evidently increases the spin once its in ones body from about four or five months and after nine months it reaches its peak and continues even if one stops the use for another nine months, why it spins up while in the body is a good question, it maybe the bodies own charge (field) is affecting this increase. Well, I did try it and had no side effects at that time other than an increase alertness and more of a mental clarity but was very "subtle". I felt it was safe and I told my girlfriend about it and she studied it also and she decided to try it. Long story short the effects where dramatic, since taking M3 as of about December 23rd 2006 she has been in total remission, list of effects according to her; No pain, No numbness, eyesight is correcting (blindness is one effect of MS in which she had bouts with in the past), effects of ageing has reversed, hair and finger nails are stronger thicker, mental clarity, deep sleep (dreaming is a constant while sleeping), ESP type effects where ones thoughts are communicated to another person although the other person is a great distance away (2,000 miles) It is a fact and there is no way for the other person to have known these thought's (me), menstrual cramps are nonexistent. From our experience it works as well for others I know who use this (personal friends). Two things to add is, the body (cells) seems to be ejecting the poisons which have been acquired through out ones life, chemicals and pollutants, chemicals in our foods, toothpastes have fluoride in it which is a poison etc.. What happens is evidently as these poison are being ejected from the body anyway it can through any and all orifices it can cause what is called "healing crisis" do a google search on that. Its been stated that what this does is not destroy a diseased cell, it corrects it. Eating only natural foods with no chemical additives is a good thing. Chances are that the foods most now consume maybe causing a lot of the diseases because of the chemicals added to them. All of this is true and I am stating my experience as well as my girlfriends, I am not a doctor and if one decides to take any supplement like M3 you should talk with a doctor before you do. There is more to this and most of what you read about is very true. Good luck!!! P. S. I did have a chipped tooth that has nearly totally grown back after using M3..

Another post script: If ORMUS is what they think it is nobody will be able to write a peer review paper. Look up the words Manna and Mana, both have the same meanings but are from totally different parts of the world. In Hebrew manna translates into "What Is It?", they didn't know then and they don't know now and may never know. If I had the capabilities to write a paper on this matter for a scientific journal, I would.

Again...blown away, absolutely amazing!!! Thank you so much for sharing all this with us. I can't wait to do further research on ORMUS . I'm so happy for your GF...her recovery is astonishing, Essene. I know you must be thrilled, to say the least.

This may help in your studies (see link) and yes we are very happy regarding the MS issue, it now seems its an non issue now. My understanding from some sources that it will take nine months to be cured totally and after a year and a half will show NO signs of MS in an MRI, we shall see. My girlfriend in fact has a medical background and is documenting all of the effects and will release them most likely next year. Here is the link. http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/dna.htm

Thanks so much for the link.

This site is way cool. http://www.horusmedia.de/alchemie-en.php