I have read many books, and articles on this subject! I was just wondering if anyone else knows,
or have read anything about this amazing, ancient, civilization?
I really like this bit of information that, I have read on this civilization!
The story of the gods, the Anunnaki ("Those who came down from heaven to Earth came"),
as the Sumerians called them, begins with their coming to earth from Nibiru in need of gold.
The story of their planet was told in antiquity in the Epic of Creation, a long text on
seven tablets; it is usually considered to be an allegorical myth, the product of primitive minds
that spoke of the planets as living gods combating combating each other.
But, in fact in ancient text is in fact a sophisticated cosmogony that tells how a stray planet,
passing by our solar system, collided with a planet called Tiamat; the collision resulted in the
creation of earth and its Moon, of the Asteroid Belt and comets, and in the capture of the invader
itself in a great elliptical orbit that takes about 3,600 Earth-years to complete.
It was, Sumerian texts tell, 120 such orbits-432,000 Earth-years prior to the Deluge,
(the "Great flood") that the anunnaki came to earth.
How and why they came, their first cities in the E.DIN (the biblical Eden), their fashioning
of the Adam and the reasons for it, and the events of the catastrophic Deluge.
BGut before we time-travel to the twenty-first century B.C.E., some pre-Diluvial and post-
Diluvial landmark events need to be recalled.
The biblical tale of the Deluge, starting in chapter 6 of Genisis, ascribes its conflicting aspects
to a sole deity, Yahweh, who at first is determined to wipe Mankind off the face of the earth,
and then goes out of his way to save it through Noah and the Ark.
The earlier Sumerian sources of the tale ascribe the disaffection with mankind to the god Enlil
and the countereffort to save mankind to the god Enki. What the Bible glossed over for the
sake of Monotheism was not just the disagreement between Enlil and Enki, but a rivalry
and a conflict between two clans of Anunnaki that dominated the course of subsequent events on earth.
That conflict between the two and their offspring, and the earth regions allocated to them after the deluge,
need to be kept in mind to understand all that happened thereafter.
The two were half-brothers, sons of Nibiru's ruler Anu, their conflict on earth had its roots
on their home planet, Nibiru. Enki then called E.A (He whose home is water") was Anu's firstborn
son, but not by the official spouse, Antu. When Enlil was born to Anu by Antu a half sister of Anu
Enlil became became the Legal Heir to Nibiru's throne though he was not the first born son.
A long text known as the Atrahasis Epic begins the story of gods and men on earth
with a visit by Anu to Earth to settle once and for all (he hoped) the rivalry between his two
sons that was ruining the vital mission; he even offered to stay on earth and let one of the,
half-brothers assume the regency on Nibiru. With that in mind, the ancient text tells us,
lots were drawn to determine who would stay on earth and who would sit on Nibiru's throne.
The gods clasped hands together,
had cast lots and had divided:
Anu went up [back] to heaven,
[for Enlil] the Earth was made subject;
The seas, enclosed as with a loop,
to Enki the prince were given.
Hope everyone likes this bit on ancient civilizations and will respond with what they know!
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Good topic Dragon.
I try keep'n an open mind on these particular subjects, i like reading about the ancients and our past.
A few people dispute a lot of the Sumerian stories as fairytale but my personal outlook is that they(scientists)or we if you like don't know as much about our
past as they/we think. A lot of it is all guess work from all sides scientists, skeptics & believers alike...
As someone else stated on the another thread ''Some of the science in regards to our past of today is based on theories & conjecture''.
Just my little contribution to the thread ... Later.
I try keep'n an open mind on these particular subjects, i like reading about the ancients and our past.
A few people dispute a lot of the Sumerian stories as fairytale but my personal outlook is that they(scientists)or we if you like don't know as much about our
past as they/we think. A lot of it is all guess work from all sides scientists, skeptics & believers alike...
As someone else stated on the another thread ''Some of the science in regards to our past of today is based on theories & conjecture''.
Just my little contribution to the thread ... Later.
If you like to study about the ancients, this site has a ton of information. http://www.darkstar1.co.uk/
QUOTE(Dragonwick @ Jun 5 2007, 11:45 PM) [snapback]1710843[/snapback]
I have read many books, and articles on this subject! I was just wondering if anyone else knows,
or have read anything about this amazing, ancient, civilization?
I really like this bit of information that, I have read on this civilization!
The story of the gods, the Anunnaki ("Those who came down from heaven to Earth came"),
as the Sumerians called them, begins with their coming to earth from Nibiru in need of gold.
The story of their planet was told in antiquity in the Epic of Creation, a long text on
seven tablets; it is usually considered to be an allegorical myth, the product of primitive minds
that spoke of the planets as living gods combating combating each other.
But, in fact in ancient text is in fact a sophisticated cosmogony that tells how a stray planet,
passing by our solar system, collided with a planet called Tiamat; the collision resulted in the
creation of earth and its Moon, of the Asteroid Belt and comets, and in the capture of the invader
itself in a great elliptical orbit that takes about 3,600 Earth-years to complete.
It was, Sumerian texts tell, 120 such orbits-432,000 Earth-years prior to the Deluge,
(the "Great flood") that the anunnaki came to earth.
How and why they came, their first cities in the E.DIN (the biblical Eden), their fashioning
of the Adam and the reasons for it, and the events of the catastrophic Deluge.
BGut before we time-travel to the twenty-first century B.C.E., some pre-Diluvial and post-
Diluvial landmark events need to be recalled.
The biblical tale of the Deluge, starting in chapter 6 of Genisis, ascribes its conflicting aspects
to a sole deity, Yahweh, who at first is determined to wipe Mankind off the face of the earth,
and then goes out of his way to save it through Noah and the Ark.
The earlier Sumerian sources of the tale ascribe the disaffection with mankind to the god Enlil
and the countereffort to save mankind to the god Enki. What the Bible glossed over for the
sake of Monotheism was not just the disagreement between Enlil and Enki, but a rivalry
and a conflict between two clans of Anunnaki that dominated the course of subsequent events on earth.
That conflict between the two and their offspring, and the earth regions allocated to them after the deluge,
need to be kept in mind to understand all that happened thereafter.
The two were half-brothers, sons of Nibiru's ruler Anu, their conflict on earth had its roots
on their home planet, Nibiru. Enki then called E.A (He whose home is water") was Anu's firstborn
son, but not by the official spouse, Antu. When Enlil was born to Anu by Antu a half sister of Anu
Enlil became became the Legal Heir to Nibiru's throne though he was not the first born son.
A long text known as the Atrahasis Epic begins the story of gods and men on earth
with a visit by Anu to Earth to settle once and for all (he hoped) the rivalry between his two
sons that was ruining the vital mission; he even offered to stay on earth and let one of the,
half-brothers assume the regency on Nibiru. With that in mind, the ancient text tells us,
lots were drawn to determine who would stay on earth and who would sit on Nibiru's throne.
The gods clasped hands together,
had cast lots and had divided:
Anu went up [back] to heaven,
[for Enlil] the Earth was made subject;
The seas, enclosed as with a loop,
to Enki the prince were given.
Hope everyone likes this bit on ancient civilizations and will respond with what they know!
or have read anything about this amazing, ancient, civilization?
I really like this bit of information that, I have read on this civilization!
The story of the gods, the Anunnaki ("Those who came down from heaven to Earth came"),
as the Sumerians called them, begins with their coming to earth from Nibiru in need of gold.
The story of their planet was told in antiquity in the Epic of Creation, a long text on
seven tablets; it is usually considered to be an allegorical myth, the product of primitive minds
that spoke of the planets as living gods combating combating each other.
But, in fact in ancient text is in fact a sophisticated cosmogony that tells how a stray planet,
passing by our solar system, collided with a planet called Tiamat; the collision resulted in the
creation of earth and its Moon, of the Asteroid Belt and comets, and in the capture of the invader
itself in a great elliptical orbit that takes about 3,600 Earth-years to complete.
It was, Sumerian texts tell, 120 such orbits-432,000 Earth-years prior to the Deluge,
(the "Great flood") that the anunnaki came to earth.
How and why they came, their first cities in the E.DIN (the biblical Eden), their fashioning
of the Adam and the reasons for it, and the events of the catastrophic Deluge.
BGut before we time-travel to the twenty-first century B.C.E., some pre-Diluvial and post-
Diluvial landmark events need to be recalled.
The biblical tale of the Deluge, starting in chapter 6 of Genisis, ascribes its conflicting aspects
to a sole deity, Yahweh, who at first is determined to wipe Mankind off the face of the earth,
and then goes out of his way to save it through Noah and the Ark.
The earlier Sumerian sources of the tale ascribe the disaffection with mankind to the god Enlil
and the countereffort to save mankind to the god Enki. What the Bible glossed over for the
sake of Monotheism was not just the disagreement between Enlil and Enki, but a rivalry
and a conflict between two clans of Anunnaki that dominated the course of subsequent events on earth.
That conflict between the two and their offspring, and the earth regions allocated to them after the deluge,
need to be kept in mind to understand all that happened thereafter.
The two were half-brothers, sons of Nibiru's ruler Anu, their conflict on earth had its roots
on their home planet, Nibiru. Enki then called E.A (He whose home is water") was Anu's firstborn
son, but not by the official spouse, Antu. When Enlil was born to Anu by Antu a half sister of Anu
Enlil became became the Legal Heir to Nibiru's throne though he was not the first born son.
A long text known as the Atrahasis Epic begins the story of gods and men on earth
with a visit by Anu to Earth to settle once and for all (he hoped) the rivalry between his two
sons that was ruining the vital mission; he even offered to stay on earth and let one of the,
half-brothers assume the regency on Nibiru. With that in mind, the ancient text tells us,
lots were drawn to determine who would stay on earth and who would sit on Nibiru's throne.
The gods clasped hands together,
had cast lots and had divided:
Anu went up [back] to heaven,
[for Enlil] the Earth was made subject;
The seas, enclosed as with a loop,
to Enki the prince were given.
Hope everyone likes this bit on ancient civilizations and will respond with what they know!
I posted this link in aliens & dino's but i think it's better suited here...a little off topic hope you don't mind Dragon.
It kind of details where in some parts modern man(science)can and have gotten it wrong or have re-evaluated their understanding of our ancient ancestors.
Take it anyway you like...
A historical lie: The stone age:
As technology advanced in the 20th century, archaeological research accelerated enormously, and began to unearth more and more evidence regarding the true history of mankind. Thus it emerged that life in Egypt, Central America, ''Mesopotamia'' and other regions thousands of years ago was in many ways parallel to how we live today.
However, advances and recent discoveries in archaeology, anthropology, and other branches of science have invalidated this basic claim of the tale of "cultural and social evolution." These are nothing more than materialists' attempts to portray Man as having evolved from unreasoning beasts and to impose this myth—in which they believe for philosophical reasons—on science.
It kind of details where in some parts modern man(science)can and have gotten it wrong or have re-evaluated their understanding of our ancient ancestors.
Take it anyway you like...
A historical lie: The stone age:
As technology advanced in the 20th century, archaeological research accelerated enormously, and began to unearth more and more evidence regarding the true history of mankind. Thus it emerged that life in Egypt, Central America, ''Mesopotamia'' and other regions thousands of years ago was in many ways parallel to how we live today.
However, advances and recent discoveries in archaeology, anthropology, and other branches of science have invalidated this basic claim of the tale of "cultural and social evolution." These are nothing more than materialists' attempts to portray Man as having evolved from unreasoning beasts and to impose this myth—in which they believe for philosophical reasons—on science.
QUOTE
I have read many books, and articles on this subject! I was just wondering if anyone else knows,
or have read anything about this amazing, ancient, civilization?
or have read anything about this amazing, ancient, civilization?
One of my favorite subjects Dragon
If you want an 'orthodox' booklist about Mesopotamia, or specifically the Sumerian Civilisation let me know..QUOTE
The story of the gods, the Anunnaki ("Those who came down from heaven to Earth came"),
as the Sumerians called them, begins with their coming to earth from Nibiru in need of gold.
The story of their planet was told in antiquity in the Epic of Creation, a long text on
seven tablets; it is usually considered to be an allegorical myth, the product of primitive minds
that spoke of the planets as living gods combating combating each other.
But, in fact in ancient text is in fact a sophisticated cosmogony that tells how a stray planet,
passing by our solar system, collided with a planet called Tiamat; the collision resulted in the
creation of earth and its Moon, of the Asteroid Belt and comets, and in the capture of the invader
itself in a great elliptical orbit that takes about 3,600 Earth-years to complete.
It was, Sumerian texts tell, 120 such orbits-432,000 Earth-years prior to the Deluge,
(the "Great flood") that the anunnaki came to earth.
as the Sumerians called them, begins with their coming to earth from Nibiru in need of gold.
The story of their planet was told in antiquity in the Epic of Creation, a long text on
seven tablets; it is usually considered to be an allegorical myth, the product of primitive minds
that spoke of the planets as living gods combating combating each other.
But, in fact in ancient text is in fact a sophisticated cosmogony that tells how a stray planet,
passing by our solar system, collided with a planet called Tiamat; the collision resulted in the
creation of earth and its Moon, of the Asteroid Belt and comets, and in the capture of the invader
itself in a great elliptical orbit that takes about 3,600 Earth-years to complete.
It was, Sumerian texts tell, 120 such orbits-432,000 Earth-years prior to the Deluge,
(the "Great flood") that the anunnaki came to earth.
Can you reference where this came from? I'm not sure that is my understanding of what the texts said?
My favorite has got to be either Gilgamesh, or Inanna and the descent to the Underworld... Mind I like them all
QUOTE(Dragonwick @ Jun 6 2007, 12:45 AM) [snapback]1710843[/snapback]
I have read many books, and articles on this subject! I was just wondering if anyone else knows,
or have read anything about this amazing, ancient, civilization?
I really like this bit of information that, I have read on this civilization!
The story of the gods, the Anunnaki ("Those who came down from heaven to Earth came"),
as the Sumerians called them, begins with their coming to earth from Nibiru in need of gold.
The story of their planet was told in antiquity in the Epic of Creation, a long text on
seven tablets; it is usually considered to be an allegorical myth, the product of primitive minds
that spoke of the planets as living gods combating combating each other.
But, in fact in ancient text is in fact a sophisticated cosmogony that tells how a stray planet,
passing by our solar system, collided with a planet called Tiamat; the collision resulted in the
creation of earth and its Moon, of the Asteroid Belt and comets, and in the capture of the invader
itself in a great elliptical orbit that takes about 3,600 Earth-years to complete.
It was, Sumerian texts tell, 120 such orbits-432,000 Earth-years prior to the Deluge,
(the "Great flood") that the anunnaki came to earth.
or have read anything about this amazing, ancient, civilization?
I really like this bit of information that, I have read on this civilization!
The story of the gods, the Anunnaki ("Those who came down from heaven to Earth came"),
as the Sumerians called them, begins with their coming to earth from Nibiru in need of gold.
The story of their planet was told in antiquity in the Epic of Creation, a long text on
seven tablets; it is usually considered to be an allegorical myth, the product of primitive minds
that spoke of the planets as living gods combating combating each other.
But, in fact in ancient text is in fact a sophisticated cosmogony that tells how a stray planet,
passing by our solar system, collided with a planet called Tiamat; the collision resulted in the
creation of earth and its Moon, of the Asteroid Belt and comets, and in the capture of the invader
itself in a great elliptical orbit that takes about 3,600 Earth-years to complete.
It was, Sumerian texts tell, 120 such orbits-432,000 Earth-years prior to the Deluge,
(the "Great flood") that the anunnaki came to earth.
I'm afraid you've been misled
the information you posted is not from an ancient civilisation which knew nothing about outer space at all
it is all taken from the work of Zechariah Sitchen a fully qualified economist who holds no qualifications in any mesopotamian language
his translations of already translated and known texts are completely different to the originals and the reason for this is quite simply because he makes it up as he goes along
the idea of colliding planets for instance didnt come from Sumer but from Imannuel Velikovsky
the idea of aliens being in touch with ancient Sumer came from Erich Von Daniken
Sitchens descriptions of the ancient spacecraft parallel advances made by N.A.S.A (i.e. when he first wrote about them nack in the early 70s they were capsules landing in the persian gulf a la the apollo missions and then in the 1980s he wrote how the Aliens suddenly developed a space shuttle which they were landing in the sinai desert
quite simply its science fiction
still if you like that kind of thing Sitchin has a website for his gullible believers
www.sitchin.com
QUOTE(Dragonwick @ Jun 6 2007, 12:45 AM) [snapback]1710843[/snapback]
I have read many books, and articles on this subject! I was just wondering if anyone else knows,
or have read anything about this amazing, ancient, civilization?
or have read anything about this amazing, ancient, civilization?
But have you read anything that isn't based on the distortions, mistranslations and pure inventions of Sitchin?
For more about their gods and beliefs, try this:
http://www.meta-religion.com/World_Religio...ian_deities.htm
Your reference to the Flood is interesting though - compare and contrast with the effects of Cyclone Gonu
QUOTE(apollyon @ Jun 6 2007, 06:41 AM) [snapback]1711373[/snapback]
I'm afraid you've been misled
the information you posted is not from an ancient civilisation which knew nothing about outer space at all
it is all taken from the work of Zechariah Sitchen a fully qualified economist who holds no qualifications in any mesopotamian language
his translations of already translated and known texts are completely different to the originals and the reason for this is quite simply because he makes it up as he goes along
the idea of colliding planets for instance didnt come from Sumer but from Imannuel Velikovsky
the idea of aliens being in touch with ancient Sumer came from Erich Von Daniken
Sitchens descriptions of the ancient spacecraft parallel advances made by N.A.S.A (i.e. when he first wrote about them nack in the early 70s they were capsules landing in the persian gulf a la the apollo missions and then in the 1980s he wrote how the Aliens suddenly developed a space shuttle which they were landing in the sinai desert
quite simply its science fiction
still if you like that kind of thing Sitchin has a website for his gullible believers
www.sitchin.com
the information you posted is not from an ancient civilisation which knew nothing about outer space at all
it is all taken from the work of Zechariah Sitchen a fully qualified economist who holds no qualifications in any mesopotamian language
his translations of already translated and known texts are completely different to the originals and the reason for this is quite simply because he makes it up as he goes along
the idea of colliding planets for instance didnt come from Sumer but from Imannuel Velikovsky
the idea of aliens being in touch with ancient Sumer came from Erich Von Daniken
Sitchens descriptions of the ancient spacecraft parallel advances made by N.A.S.A (i.e. when he first wrote about them nack in the early 70s they were capsules landing in the persian gulf a la the apollo missions and then in the 1980s he wrote how the Aliens suddenly developed a space shuttle which they were landing in the sinai desert
quite simply its science fiction
still if you like that kind of thing Sitchin has a website for his gullible believers
www.sitchin.com
Yeah, I kind of figured out that he was just making things up after i read a few of his books.
I am now searching more on how sitchin came up with these amazing claims! But in all he does have some interesting tales.
QUOTE
My favorite has got to be either Gilgamesh, or Inanna and the descent to the Underworld...
Yeah, I would have to say that my favorite one is on Gilgamesh.
I heard a few Anunnaki/Sumerian thing. Not much. But I read your whole post. Interesting stuff.
british museum website
http://www.mesopotamia.co.uk/
wiki page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumer
michael Heisers sitchin is wrong site
http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/
plus theres a few other credible sites
like this
http://www-etcsl.orient.ox.ac.uk/edition2/etcslbynumb.php
and this
http://psd.museum.upenn.edu/epsd/index.html
and this
http://www.etana.org/
and this
http://www.livius.org/cg-cm/chronicles/chron00.html
and this
http://www.mythome.org/mideastg.html
and this
http://the.iraq.museum/
and this
http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/section2/tr211.htm
and this
http://www.sacred-texts.com/index.htm
and this
http://www.sumerian.org/
and this
http://oi.uchicago.edu/OI/DEPT/RA/Research_Arch.html
and this
http://www.pantheon.org/
you'd do a lot better to study Sumer through these than try to backtrack on Sitchin to see how he got it wrong
http://www.mesopotamia.co.uk/
wiki page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumer
michael Heisers sitchin is wrong site
http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/
plus theres a few other credible sites
like this
http://www-etcsl.orient.ox.ac.uk/edition2/etcslbynumb.php
and this
http://psd.museum.upenn.edu/epsd/index.html
and this
http://www.etana.org/
and this
http://www.livius.org/cg-cm/chronicles/chron00.html
and this
http://www.mythome.org/mideastg.html
and this
http://the.iraq.museum/
and this
http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/section2/tr211.htm
and this
http://www.sacred-texts.com/index.htm
and this
http://www.sumerian.org/
and this
http://oi.uchicago.edu/OI/DEPT/RA/Research_Arch.html
and this
http://www.pantheon.org/
you'd do a lot better to study Sumer through these than try to backtrack on Sitchin to see how he got it wrong
QUOTE(apollyon @ Jun 6 2007, 12:32 PM) [snapback]1711867[/snapback]
british museum website
http://www.mesopotamia.co.uk/
wiki page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumer
michael Heisers sitchin is wrong site
http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/
plus theres a few other credible sites
like this
http://www-etcsl.orient.ox.ac.uk/edition2/etcslbynumb.php
and this
http://psd.museum.upenn.edu/epsd/index.html
and this
http://www.etana.org/
and this
http://www.livius.org/cg-cm/chronicles/chron00.html
and this
http://www.mythome.org/mideastg.html
and this
http://the.iraq.museum/
and this
http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/section2/tr211.htm
and this
http://www.sacred-texts.com/index.htm
and this
http://www.sumerian.org/
and this
http://oi.uchicago.edu/OI/DEPT/RA/Research_Arch.html
and this
http://www.pantheon.org/
you'd do a lot better to study Sumer through these than try to backtrack on Sitchin to see how he got it wrong
http://www.mesopotamia.co.uk/
wiki page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumer
michael Heisers sitchin is wrong site
http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/
plus theres a few other credible sites
like this
http://www-etcsl.orient.ox.ac.uk/edition2/etcslbynumb.php
and this
http://psd.museum.upenn.edu/epsd/index.html
and this
http://www.etana.org/
and this
http://www.livius.org/cg-cm/chronicles/chron00.html
and this
http://www.mythome.org/mideastg.html
and this
http://the.iraq.museum/
and this
http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/section2/tr211.htm
and this
http://www.sacred-texts.com/index.htm
and this
http://www.sumerian.org/
and this
http://oi.uchicago.edu/OI/DEPT/RA/Research_Arch.html
and this
http://www.pantheon.org/
you'd do a lot better to study Sumer through these than try to backtrack on Sitchin to see how he got it wrong
Thanks alot! I will have to read through the links you provided and more about the Sumer.
Its a pretty amazing civilisation on its own - not sure why people have to make up stories about aliens to make it more interesting 
Yeah I read Zecharia Sitchin too. His books are flamboyant and entertaining. I enjoyed them very much although you have to take what he says with a grain of salt. One book however, called "The 12th Planet." Is a war of the worlds in our solar system which I thought was a gas. I dug it because in the ancient sumer story these worlds were conscious beings, not just huge planets bouncing around. I think it is very interesting to think that the earth is actually a gigantic female intity that still communicates with the Sun, her Moon (which in the story she created to be one of several shields against the rogue planet Marduk who was coming to attack her) and all of the other planets in our solar system. If this is true, perhaps she is very aware of what man is doing to her surface and atmosphere and if she knows you can bet all the other planets know too and so all of them are in a watchful mood....and watching....and watching.
ok, ok, ok maybe I drank too many beers.
Budhabee
ok, ok, ok maybe I drank too many beers.
Budhabee
QUOTE(budhabee @ Jun 7 2007, 05:22 PM) [snapback]1713829[/snapback]
Yeah I read Zecharia Sitchin too. His books are flamboyant and entertaining. I enjoyed them very much although you have to take what he says with a grain of salt. One book however, called "The 12th Planet." Is a war of the worlds in our solar system which I thought was a gas. I dug it because in the ancient sumer story these worlds were conscious beings, not just huge planets bouncing around. I think it is very interesting to think that the earth is actually a gigantic female intity that still communicates with the Sun, her Moon (which in the story she created to be one of several shields against the rogue planet Marduk who was coming to attack her) and all of the other planets in our solar system. If this is true, perhaps she is very aware of what man is doing to her surface and atmosphere and if she knows you can bet all the other planets know too and so all of them are in a watchful mood....and watching....and watching.
ok, ok, ok maybe I drank too many beers.
Budhabee
ok, ok, ok maybe I drank too many beers.
Budhabee
lol,
Maybe our galaxy is plotting against us now and will send an asteroid down to earth for the inevitable doomsday event.
QUOTE(Dragonwick @ Jun 8 2007, 01:51 AM) [snapback]1714083[/snapback]
lol, Maybe our galaxy is plotting against us now and will send an asteroid down to earth for the inevitable doomsday event.
Maybe our galaxy is plotting against us now and will send an asteroid down to earth for the inevitable doomsday event.Apophis. 2036
http://www.space.com/news/051103_asteroid_apophis.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99942_Apophis
QUOTE(Essan @ Jun 8 2007, 07:01 AM) [snapback]1714544[/snapback]
Apophis. 2036
http://www.space.com/news/051103_asteroid_apophis.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99942_Apophis
http://www.space.com/news/051103_asteroid_apophis.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99942_Apophis
Interesting! I remember reading about this one before. This one may not be an earth killer! But it's nothing but
a matter of time before that one huge asteroid comes along and devistates our planet.
Also take note that planet x may tie into all this doomsday "end of days" events!
Sumerians believed there was a planet x/Nibiru, But maybe this was not a planet at all!
It could be a gigantic rouge asteroid that comes around every 3,600 years or so,
and wreaks havok on our planet.
This could also explain some of this planets huge catastrophe's.
But i'm only speculating, take it as you want to.
Sumerians believed there was a planet x/Nibiru, But maybe this was not a planet at all!
It could be a gigantic rouge asteroid that comes around every 3,600 years or so,
and wreaks havok on our planet.
This could also explain some of this planets huge catastrophe's.
But i'm only speculating, take it as you want to.
QUOTE(Dragonwick @ Jun 8 2007, 07:54 AM) [snapback]1714658[/snapback]
Sumerians believed there was a planet x/Nibiru...
The Sumerians believed no such thing.
The first person to believe in a planet called Nibiru was Sitchin 
Edit: actually I've feeing Nibiru may have been an Akkadian (?) name for Jupiter? Anyway, Sitchin was the first to believe in a planet called Nibiru with an elliptical orbit that brought it close to Earth.
Edit: actually I've feeing Nibiru may have been an Akkadian (?) name for Jupiter? Anyway, Sitchin was the first to believe in a planet called Nibiru with an elliptical orbit that brought it close to Earth.
QUOTE(Essan @ Jun 8 2007, 04:35 PM) [snapback]1714812[/snapback]
The first person to believe in a planet called Nibiru was Sitchin
Edit: actually I've feeing Nibiru may have been an Akkadian (?) name for Jupiter? Anyway, Sitchin was the first to believe in a planet called Nibiru with an elliptical orbit that brought it close to Earth.
Edit: actually I've feeing Nibiru may have been an Akkadian (?) name for Jupiter? Anyway, Sitchin was the first to believe in a planet called Nibiru with an elliptical orbit that brought it close to Earth.
Ever heard of the planet called Tiamat?
It existed where our asteroid belt now sits. I've been studying this for some time now and even though mainsteam astronomy has declined to accept this possibility they have yet to disprove that this was indeed a planet that probably exploded. Check out or search for "Exploded Planet Hypothesis". While it may not have anything to do with Sitchin, there is compelling evidence that such an event caused humans to incorporate the idea albeit indirectly ibto their religous myths.
The event is supposed to have happened approximately 2 to 3 million years ago and it is lso at this time that Mars lost its magnetosphere and acquired a crust that is extraordinarily thick on one side of the planet and thin on the other. Note also that some of the moons from Jupiter appear to have sustained a major impact of something all at around the same time leaving one part hemisphere black and the other, ice white.
all this at around the same time. Suddenly in this period mankind suddenly appears almost out of nowhere. All I'm saying is that this time period has alot of coincidences.
See: Planetary Explosion Mechamisms and The Exploded Planet Hypothesis
For another outlook, see: Asteroid Belt
why do you say the earth is female ?
QUOTE(Jor-el @ Jun 8 2007, 05:44 PM) [snapback]1714899[/snapback]
Ever heard of the planet called Tiamat?
It existed where our asteroid belt now sits. I've been studying this for some time now and even though mainsteam astronomy has declined to accept this possibility they have yet to disprove that this was indeed a planet that probably exploded. Check out or search for "Exploded Planet Hypothesis". While it may not have anything to do with Sitchin, there is compelling evidence that such an event caused humans to incorporate the idea albeit indirectly ibto their religous myths.
The event is supposed to have happened approximately 2 to 3 million years ago and it is lso at this time that Mars lost its magnetosphere and acquired a crust that is extraordinarily thick on one side of the planet and thin on the other. Note also that some of the moons from Jupiter appear to have sustained a major impact of something all at around the same time leaving one part hemisphere black and the other, ice white.
all this at around the same time. Suddenly in this period mankind suddenly appears almost out of nowhere. All I'm saying is that this time period has alot of coincidences.
See: Planetary Explosion Mechamisms and The Exploded Planet Hypothesis
For another outlook, see: Asteroid Belt
It existed where our asteroid belt now sits. I've been studying this for some time now and even though mainsteam astronomy has declined to accept this possibility they have yet to disprove that this was indeed a planet that probably exploded. Check out or search for "Exploded Planet Hypothesis". While it may not have anything to do with Sitchin, there is compelling evidence that such an event caused humans to incorporate the idea albeit indirectly ibto their religous myths.
The event is supposed to have happened approximately 2 to 3 million years ago and it is lso at this time that Mars lost its magnetosphere and acquired a crust that is extraordinarily thick on one side of the planet and thin on the other. Note also that some of the moons from Jupiter appear to have sustained a major impact of something all at around the same time leaving one part hemisphere black and the other, ice white.
all this at around the same time. Suddenly in this period mankind suddenly appears almost out of nowhere. All I'm saying is that this time period has alot of coincidences.
See: Planetary Explosion Mechamisms and The Exploded Planet Hypothesis
For another outlook, see: Asteroid Belt
once again this claim is entirely made by Zechariah Sitchin and based on deliberate mistranlsations of mesopotamian texts
it is not for mainstream astronomers to disprove this claim as its completely groundless anyway
they have better things to do
your timeline is totally messed up
homo sapiens sapiens diverged from Homo sapiens archaic around 120,000 years ago
no one has ever dated any event on mars or jupiter
so basically youre adding to something made up by making stuff up
whens this book coming out anyway ?
QUOTE(Jor-el @ Jun 8 2007, 12:44 PM) [snapback]1714899[/snapback]
Ever heard of the planet called Tiamat?
It existed where our asteroid belt now sits. I've been studying this for some time now and even though mainsteam astronomy has declined to accept this possibility they have yet to disprove that this was indeed a planet that probably exploded. Check out or search for "Exploded Planet Hypothesis". While it may not have anything to do with Sitchin, there is compelling evidence that such an event caused humans to incorporate the idea albeit indirectly ibto their religous myths.
The event is supposed to have happened approximately 2 to 3 million years ago and it is lso at this time that Mars lost its magnetosphere and acquired a crust that is extraordinarily thick on one side of the planet and thin on the other. Note also that some of the moons from Jupiter appear to have sustained a major impact of something all at around the same time leaving one part hemisphere black and the other, ice white.
all this at around the same time. Suddenly in this period mankind suddenly appears almost out of nowhere. All I'm saying is that this time period has alot of coincidences.
See: Planetary Explosion Mechamisms and The Exploded Planet Hypothesis
For another outlook, see: Asteroid Belt
It existed where our asteroid belt now sits. I've been studying this for some time now and even though mainsteam astronomy has declined to accept this possibility they have yet to disprove that this was indeed a planet that probably exploded. Check out or search for "Exploded Planet Hypothesis". While it may not have anything to do with Sitchin, there is compelling evidence that such an event caused humans to incorporate the idea albeit indirectly ibto their religous myths.
The event is supposed to have happened approximately 2 to 3 million years ago and it is lso at this time that Mars lost its magnetosphere and acquired a crust that is extraordinarily thick on one side of the planet and thin on the other. Note also that some of the moons from Jupiter appear to have sustained a major impact of something all at around the same time leaving one part hemisphere black and the other, ice white.
all this at around the same time. Suddenly in this period mankind suddenly appears almost out of nowhere. All I'm saying is that this time period has alot of coincidences.
See: Planetary Explosion Mechamisms and The Exploded Planet Hypothesis
For another outlook, see: Asteroid Belt
Yes, I,ve read about Tiamat through zacharia sitchins theory on planet x!
Ancient Sumerian texts indicate that the Earth ("Tiamat") was struck by a large planet, which moved it into its present orbit, and created the Moon and the Asteroid Belt. In his books, The Twelfth Planet and The Cosmic Code, Zecharia Sitchin outlines this "celestial battle" as described in the Babylonian text called Enuma elish.
Upon reading "The Exploded Planet Hypothesis", It does seem to have some decree of probability.
This also explaines the great distance between mars and jupiter which does not add up to the rest of the planets
spacing. And would also explain the asteroid belt between mars and jupiter.
Taking note that half of mars has a thinner crust, and half of saturns moon lepetus is scorched black
Shows a sign of a great explosion with alot of energy behind it.
Thanks for the great read Jor-el!
This brings me to a whole new perspective on how our solar sytem came to be what it is today.
QUOTE
Ancient Sumerian texts indicate that the Earth ("Tiamat") was struck by a large planet, which moved it into its present orbit, and created the Moon and the Asteroid Belt. In his books, The Twelfth Planet and The Cosmic Code, Zecharia Sitchin outlines this "celestial battle" as described in the Babylonian text called Enuma elish.
No they don't...
I'm going to leave the response to this to Apollyon because I get a little narky with Sitchin
Sitchins theories are a bunch of rubbish, I know this. Personaly, I just find it to be a great read.
Everything that is told about our solar system should be taken with grain of salt.
Things change! We are still learning new things all the time.
Everything that is told about our solar system should be taken with grain of salt.
Things change! We are still learning new things all the time.
QUOTE(Themis @ Jun 8 2007, 07:01 PM) [snapback]1715000[/snapback]
No they don't...
I'm going to leave the response to this to Apollyon because I get a little narky with Sitchin
I'm going to leave the response to this to Apollyon because I get a little narky with Sitchin
probably just easiest to post the text in question and let people see for themselves
QUOTE
When the gods, his fathers, beheld the fulfillment of his word,
They rejoiced, and they did homage unto him, saying, " Marduk is king!"
They bestowed upon him the scepter, and the throne, and the ring,
They give him an invincible weapony which overwhelmeth the foe.
Go, and cut off the life of Tiamat,
And let the wind carry her blood into secret places."
After the gods his fathers had decreed for the lord his fate,
They caused him to set out on a path of prosperity and success.
He made ready the bow, he chose his weapon,
He slung a spear upon him and fastened it...
He raised the club, in his right hand he grasped it,
The bow and the quiver he hung at his side.
He set the lightning in front of him,
With burning flame he filled his body.
He made a net to enclose the inward parts of Tiamat,
The four winds he stationed so that nothing of her might escape;
The South wind and the North wind and the East wind and the West wind
He brought near to the net, the gift of his father Anu.
He created the evil wind, and the tempest, and the hurricane,
And the fourfold wind, and the sevenfold wind, and the whirlwind, and the wind which had no equal;
He sent forth the winds which he had created, the seven of them;
To disturb the inward parts of Tiamat, they followed after him.
Then the lord raised the thunderbolt, his mighty weapon,
He mounted the chariot, the storm unequaled for terror,
He harnessed and yoked unto it four horses,
Destructive, ferocious, overwhelming, and swift of pace;
... were their teeth, they were flecked with foam;
They were skilled in... , they had been trained to trample underfoot.
... . mighty in battle,
Left and right....
His garment was... , he was clothed with terror,
With overpowering brightness his head was crowned.
Then he set out, he took his way,
And toward the raging Tiamat he set his face.
On his lips he held ...,
... he grasped in his hand.
Then they beheld him, the gods beheld him,
The gods his fathers beheld him, the gods beheld him.
And the lord drew nigh, he gazed upon the inward parts of Tiamat,
He perceived the muttering of Kingu, her spouse.
As Marduk gazed, Kingu was troubled in his gait,
His will was destroyed and his motions ceased.
And the gods, his helpers, who marched by his side,
Beheld their leader's..., and their sight was troubled.
But Tiamat... , she turned not her neck,
With lips that failed not she uttered rebellious words:
"... thy coming as lord of the gods,
From their places have they gathered, in thy place are they! "
Then the lord raised the thunderbolt, his mighty weapon,
And against Tiamat, who was raging, thus he sent the word:
Thou art become great, thou hast exalted thyself on high,
And thy heart hath prompted thee to call to battle.
... their fathers...,
... their... thou hatest...
Thou hast exalted Kingu to be thy spouse,
Thou hast... him, that, even as Anu, he should issue deerees.
thou hast followed after evil,
And against the gods my fathers thou hast contrived thy wicked plan.
Let then thy host be equipped, let thy weapons be girded on!
Stand! I and thou, let us join battle!
When Tiamat heard these words,
She was like one posessed, .she lost her reason.
Tiamat uttered wild, piercing cries,
She trembled and shook to her very foundations.
She recited an incantation, she pronounced her spell,
And the gods of the battle cried out for their weapons.
Then advanced Tiamat and Marduk, the counselor of the gods;
To the fight they came on, to the battle they drew nigh.
The lord spread out his net and caught her,
And the evil wind that was behind him he let loose in her face.
As Tiamat opened her mouth to its full extent,
He drove in the evil wind, while as yet she had not shut her lips.
The terrible winds filled her belly,
And her courage was taken from her, and her mouth she opened wide.
He seized the spear and burst her belly,
He severed her inward parts, he pierced her heart.
He overcame her and cut off her life;
He cast down her body and stood upon it.
When he had slain Tiamat, the leader,
Her might was broken, her host was scattered.
They rejoiced, and they did homage unto him, saying, " Marduk is king!"
They bestowed upon him the scepter, and the throne, and the ring,
They give him an invincible weapony which overwhelmeth the foe.
Go, and cut off the life of Tiamat,
And let the wind carry her blood into secret places."
After the gods his fathers had decreed for the lord his fate,
They caused him to set out on a path of prosperity and success.
He made ready the bow, he chose his weapon,
He slung a spear upon him and fastened it...
He raised the club, in his right hand he grasped it,
The bow and the quiver he hung at his side.
He set the lightning in front of him,
With burning flame he filled his body.
He made a net to enclose the inward parts of Tiamat,
The four winds he stationed so that nothing of her might escape;
The South wind and the North wind and the East wind and the West wind
He brought near to the net, the gift of his father Anu.
He created the evil wind, and the tempest, and the hurricane,
And the fourfold wind, and the sevenfold wind, and the whirlwind, and the wind which had no equal;
He sent forth the winds which he had created, the seven of them;
To disturb the inward parts of Tiamat, they followed after him.
Then the lord raised the thunderbolt, his mighty weapon,
He mounted the chariot, the storm unequaled for terror,
He harnessed and yoked unto it four horses,
Destructive, ferocious, overwhelming, and swift of pace;
... were their teeth, they were flecked with foam;
They were skilled in... , they had been trained to trample underfoot.
... . mighty in battle,
Left and right....
His garment was... , he was clothed with terror,
With overpowering brightness his head was crowned.
Then he set out, he took his way,
And toward the raging Tiamat he set his face.
On his lips he held ...,
... he grasped in his hand.
Then they beheld him, the gods beheld him,
The gods his fathers beheld him, the gods beheld him.
And the lord drew nigh, he gazed upon the inward parts of Tiamat,
He perceived the muttering of Kingu, her spouse.
As Marduk gazed, Kingu was troubled in his gait,
His will was destroyed and his motions ceased.
And the gods, his helpers, who marched by his side,
Beheld their leader's..., and their sight was troubled.
But Tiamat... , she turned not her neck,
With lips that failed not she uttered rebellious words:
"... thy coming as lord of the gods,
From their places have they gathered, in thy place are they! "
Then the lord raised the thunderbolt, his mighty weapon,
And against Tiamat, who was raging, thus he sent the word:
Thou art become great, thou hast exalted thyself on high,
And thy heart hath prompted thee to call to battle.
... their fathers...,
... their... thou hatest...
Thou hast exalted Kingu to be thy spouse,
Thou hast... him, that, even as Anu, he should issue deerees.
thou hast followed after evil,
And against the gods my fathers thou hast contrived thy wicked plan.
Let then thy host be equipped, let thy weapons be girded on!
Stand! I and thou, let us join battle!
When Tiamat heard these words,
She was like one posessed, .she lost her reason.
Tiamat uttered wild, piercing cries,
She trembled and shook to her very foundations.
She recited an incantation, she pronounced her spell,
And the gods of the battle cried out for their weapons.
Then advanced Tiamat and Marduk, the counselor of the gods;
To the fight they came on, to the battle they drew nigh.
The lord spread out his net and caught her,
And the evil wind that was behind him he let loose in her face.
As Tiamat opened her mouth to its full extent,
He drove in the evil wind, while as yet she had not shut her lips.
The terrible winds filled her belly,
And her courage was taken from her, and her mouth she opened wide.
He seized the spear and burst her belly,
He severed her inward parts, he pierced her heart.
He overcame her and cut off her life;
He cast down her body and stood upon it.
When he had slain Tiamat, the leader,
Her might was broken, her host was scattered.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/enuma.htm
see doesnt say anything about planets 3 million years ago at all
Tiamat is even shown in contemporary art (for the time)
spot the odd one out
babylonian depiction of Tiamat
babylonian depiction of Tiamat
sitchins depiction of Tiamat
QUOTE(apollyon @ Jun 8 2007, 02:16 PM) [snapback]1715021[/snapback]
probably just easiest to post the text in question and let people see for themselves
http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/enuma.htm
see doesnt say anything about planets 3 million years ago at all
Tiamat is even shown in contemporary art (for the time)
spot the odd one out
babylonian depiction of Tiamat
http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/enuma.htm
see doesnt say anything about planets 3 million years ago at all
Tiamat is even shown in contemporary art (for the time)
spot the odd one out
babylonian depiction of Tiamat
You are correct! There is nothing about planets in that story.
How sitchin turned gods battling into planets is beyond me.
I liked the story though!
Thanks, Apollyon
Its beyond me too Dragonwick... (probably why Sitchin gets me so cross )
) QUOTE(Dragonwick @ Jun 8 2007, 07:28 PM) [snapback]1715043[/snapback]
You are correct! There is nothing about planets in that story.
How sitchin turned gods battling into planets is beyond me.
I liked the story though!
Thanks, Apollyon
How sitchin turned gods battling into planets is beyond me.
I liked the story though!
Thanks, Apollyon
it isn't beyond me
Zechariah Sitchin is an economist
economists are those people who can look at a market and judge what will sell well in it
now put yourself in his shoes
Erich Von Daniken 5 years earlier had released a book claiming Aliens were present in earth history which made him a multi millionaire
UFO cults were a big thing raking in millions of dollars a year from believers
Sumer was just starting to become known
if you were an economist what would you do
Zechariah certainly has no qualifications in the field he is claiming expertise in and no validity therefore to claim that his translations of already available texts are correct
he doesn't know ancient languages
he hasn't ever excavated in Mesopotamia
His claims are laughable when you do the slightest bit of research into them
I think Zechariah Sitchin is a brilliant economist
but not much more than that
if you hadn't realised it his most recent book is about the fall of troy
in it he claims that the wooden horse of troy was in fact an extra terrestrial armoured personnel carrier
and you know the strangest thing
is that people still buy it
QUOTE
if you hadn't realised it his most recent book is about the fall of troy
in it he claims that the wooden horse of troy was in fact an extra terrestrial armoured personnel carrier
and you know the strangest thing
is that people still buy it
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in it he claims that the wooden horse of troy was in fact an extra terrestrial armoured personnel carrier
and you know the strangest thing
is that people still buy it
w00t.gif
That is the funniest thing I heard all year
QUOTE(apollyon @ Jun 8 2007, 03:44 PM) [snapback]1715203[/snapback]
it isn't beyond me
Zechariah Sitchin is an economist
economists are those people who can look at a market and judge what will sell well in it
now put yourself in his shoes
Erich Von Daniken 5 years earlier had released a book claiming Aliens were present in earth history which made him a multi millionaire
UFO cults were a big thing raking in millions of dollars a year from believers
Sumer was just starting to become known
if you were an economist what would you do
Zechariah certainly has no qualifications in the field he is claiming expertise in and no validity therefore to claim that his translations of already available texts are correct
he doesn't know ancient languages
he hasn't ever excavated in Mesopotamia
His claims are laughable when you do the slightest bit of research into them
I think Zechariah Sitchin is a brilliant economist
but not much more than that
if you hadn't realised it his most recent book is about the fall of troy
in it he claims that the wooden horse of troy was in fact an extra terrestrial armoured personnel carrier
and you know the strangest thing
is that people still buy it
Zechariah Sitchin is an economist
economists are those people who can look at a market and judge what will sell well in it
now put yourself in his shoes
Erich Von Daniken 5 years earlier had released a book claiming Aliens were present in earth history which made him a multi millionaire
UFO cults were a big thing raking in millions of dollars a year from believers
Sumer was just starting to become known
if you were an economist what would you do
Zechariah certainly has no qualifications in the field he is claiming expertise in and no validity therefore to claim that his translations of already available texts are correct
he doesn't know ancient languages
he hasn't ever excavated in Mesopotamia
His claims are laughable when you do the slightest bit of research into them
I think Zechariah Sitchin is a brilliant economist
but not much more than that
if you hadn't realised it his most recent book is about the fall of troy
in it he claims that the wooden horse of troy was in fact an extra terrestrial armoured personnel carrier
and you know the strangest thing
is that people still buy it
It just goes to show that alot of people want to buy into this rubbish, even as ridiculous as it seems.
Is it really anymore different than people buying into a religion that tells a story about a man in a book
who can do amazing things, and tells people that if they do not follow the words of his father they will forever perish
in a burning pit of fire?
QUOTE(apollyon @ Jun 8 2007, 06:24 PM) [snapback]1714950[/snapback]
once again this claim is entirely made by Zechariah Sitchin and based on deliberate mistranlsations of mesopotamian texts
it is not for mainstream astronomers to disprove this claim as its completely groundless anyway
they have better things to do
your timeline is totally messed up
homo sapiens sapiens diverged from Homo sapiens archaic around 120,000 years ago
no one has ever dated any event on mars or jupiter
so basically youre adding to something made up by making stuff up
whens this book coming out anyway ?
it is not for mainstream astronomers to disprove this claim as its completely groundless anyway
they have better things to do
your timeline is totally messed up
homo sapiens sapiens diverged from Homo sapiens archaic around 120,000 years ago
no one has ever dated any event on mars or jupiter
so basically youre adding to something made up by making stuff up
whens this book coming out anyway ?
Apollyon,
Wrong author, wrong theory. This has nothing whatsoever to do with Sitchin or his alien Annanuki. Although the name Tiamat may come from his idea, it was called by other names before Sitchin came up with his ideas. Planet Phaeton was one of the names used in the 19th century.
The name doesn't really matter, what matters is the theory behind it.
The beginning of the Homo line began approximately 2.5 to 3 million years ago, who said anything about Homo Sapiens?
As for Mars' magnetic field you are incorrect and so am I. Mars' magnetic field disappeared around 1.3 billion years ago but my confusion was related to recent volcanic activity in mars, which was dated to around 2 million years ago.
Mars Images Reveal Recent Volcanic and Glacial Activity
Powerful appeal of Mars' 'missing' field - magnetic field
QUOTE(Dragonwick @ Jun 8 2007, 06:59 PM) [snapback]1714996[/snapback]
Yes, I,ve read about Tiamat through zacharia sitchins theory on planet x!
Ancient Sumerian texts indicate that the Earth ("Tiamat") was struck by a large planet, which moved it into its present orbit, and created the Moon and the Asteroid Belt. In his books, The Twelfth Planet and The Cosmic Code, Zecharia Sitchin outlines this "celestial battle" as described in the Babylonian text called Enuma elish.
Upon reading "The Exploded Planet Hypothesis", It does seem to have some decree of probability.
This also explaines the great distance between mars and jupiter which does not add up to the rest of the planets
spacing. And would also explain the asteroid belt between mars and jupiter.
Taking note that half of mars has a thinner crust, and half of saturns moon lepetus is scorched black
Shows a sign of a great explosion with alot of energy behind it.
Thanks for the great read Jor-el!
This brings me to a whole new perspective on how our solar sytem came to be what it is today.
Ancient Sumerian texts indicate that the Earth ("Tiamat") was struck by a large planet, which moved it into its present orbit, and created the Moon and the Asteroid Belt. In his books, The Twelfth Planet and The Cosmic Code, Zecharia Sitchin outlines this "celestial battle" as described in the Babylonian text called Enuma elish.
Upon reading "The Exploded Planet Hypothesis", It does seem to have some decree of probability.
This also explaines the great distance between mars and jupiter which does not add up to the rest of the planets
spacing. And would also explain the asteroid belt between mars and jupiter.
Taking note that half of mars has a thinner crust, and half of saturns moon lepetus is scorched black
Shows a sign of a great explosion with alot of energy behind it.
Thanks for the great read Jor-el!
This brings me to a whole new perspective on how our solar sytem came to be what it is today.
Just remember EPH has got nothing whatsoever to do with Sitchins theories nor with aliens of any kind. It is a scientific hypothesis held by a minority of scientists who aren't satisfied with todays accretion theory held by the majority.
In all probability both are correct in some form or other.
QUOTE(Jor-el @ Jun 8 2007, 06:49 PM) [snapback]1715499[/snapback]
Just remember EPH has got nothing whatsoever to do with Sitchins theories nor with aliens of any kind. It is a scientific hypothesis held by a minority of scientists who aren't satisfied with todays accretion theory held by the majority.
In all probability both are correct in some form or other.
In all probability both are correct in some form or other.
This I understand! Nowhere in that link did it mention anything about sitchins theories.
And it was a great read! Which does make alot of sense to me.
Thanks,
strange, i only skimmed the first post. . . im an athiest and totally against religion. . . kinda interesting.
When i read thing's, i kind of think about what sort of perception's the people themselves may have had, which relect's in their own description of thing's. The text's that are being possably mis-tranlated because people today tend to think of themselve's as being superior.
What most have to consider is that those who wrote these text's are working from knowledge that itself was turning into legend from possable fact, as people applied their possable belief's of the time's, or an enforced theology, as most are.
And because of their own belief strictures, or layered filtered reality's, they would also delibrately change, or get rid of entirely, something which does'nt support their method of control. So some of the posters are right, in that it is guess work.
The direction it goes is dictated by the current belief stricture that controls everyone else. Which is supported by those who rule.
Talk about state secrets. Or national defense umbrella. It all spell's "secrecy".
So even ancient scroll's and text themselve's have already been subhjected to editing abuse, and that even if it had a leginanate base to begin.
So you see, your whole world is a purpose driven fantasy directed by those who rule.
None of it is leginamate.
What do you think?
What most have to consider is that those who wrote these text's are working from knowledge that itself was turning into legend from possable fact, as people applied their possable belief's of the time's, or an enforced theology, as most are.
And because of their own belief strictures, or layered filtered reality's, they would also delibrately change, or get rid of entirely, something which does'nt support their method of control. So some of the posters are right, in that it is guess work.
The direction it goes is dictated by the current belief stricture that controls everyone else. Which is supported by those who rule.
Talk about state secrets. Or national defense umbrella. It all spell's "secrecy".
So even ancient scroll's and text themselve's have already been subhjected to editing abuse, and that even if it had a leginanate base to begin.
So you see, your whole world is a purpose driven fantasy directed by those who rule.
None of it is leginamate.
What do you think?
QUOTE(Caana @ Jun 9 2007, 01:07 AM) [snapback]1715582[/snapback]
When i read thing's, i kind of think about what sort of perception's the people themselves may have had, which relect's in their own description of thing's. The text's that are being possably mis-tranlated because people today tend to think of themselve's as being superior.
What most have to consider is that those who wrote these text's are working from knowledge that itself was turning into legend from possable fact, as people applied their possable belief's of the time's, or an enforced theology, as most are.
And because of their own belief strictures, or layered filtered reality's, they would also delibrately change, or get rid of entirely, something which does'nt support their method of control. So some of the posters are right, in that it is guess work.
The direction it goes is dictated by the current belief stricture that controls everyone else. Which is supported by those who rule.
Talk about state secrets. Or national defense umbrella. It all spell's "secrecy".
So even ancient scroll's and text themselve's have already been subhjected to editing abuse, and that even if it had a leginanate base to begin.
So you see, your whole world is a purpose driven fantasy directed by those who rule.
None of it is leginamate.
What do you think?
What most have to consider is that those who wrote these text's are working from knowledge that itself was turning into legend from possable fact, as people applied their possable belief's of the time's, or an enforced theology, as most are.
And because of their own belief strictures, or layered filtered reality's, they would also delibrately change, or get rid of entirely, something which does'nt support their method of control. So some of the posters are right, in that it is guess work.
The direction it goes is dictated by the current belief stricture that controls everyone else. Which is supported by those who rule.
Talk about state secrets. Or national defense umbrella. It all spell's "secrecy".
So even ancient scroll's and text themselve's have already been subhjected to editing abuse, and that even if it had a leginanate base to begin.
So you see, your whole world is a purpose driven fantasy directed by those who rule.
None of it is leginamate.
What do you think?
huh?
While Stichen and others have certainly embellished the Sumerian myths, turning Gods of Wisdom into intergalactic "Science Officers", it is nevertheless strange that many of the world's most advanced cultures for their time shared similar legends about "flying serpents", dragons and the like that came from heaven, supposedly taught humans technologies and agriculture and gradually became more human as time went on. There seems to be little or no evdence of contact between these cultures, yet the dieties are remarkably similar from Mesopotamia, to China, to Mesoamerica. What natural creature would have inspired stories of reptiles, (which are not paritucularly bright) to become Gods of wisdom all over the world? Since we do not see a natural creature in the world to inspire such myths, why did ancient people all over the world believe in similar, intelligent and benificent reptilian creatures?
QUOTE(draconic chronicler @ Jun 9 2007, 02:33 AM) [snapback]1715640[/snapback]
While Stichen and others have certainly embellished the Sumerian myths, turning Gods of Wisdom into intergalactic "Science Officers", it is nevertheless strange that many of the world's most advanced cultures for their time shared similar legends about "flying serpents", dragons and the like that came from heaven, supposedly taught humans technologies and agriculture and gradually became more human as time went on. There seems to be little or no evdence of contact between these cultures, yet the dieties are remarkably similar from Mesopotamia, to China, to Mesoamerica. What natural creature would have inspired stories of reptiles, (which are not paritucularly bright) to become Gods of wisdom all over the world? Since we do not see a natural creature in the world to inspire such myths, why did ancient people all over the world believe in similar, intelligent and benificent reptilian creatures?
duh
maybe they knew something you obviously don't
btw its "Sitchin"
QUOTE(apollyon @ Jun 8 2007, 09:04 PM) [snapback]1715671[/snapback]
duh
maybe they knew something you obviously don't
btw its "Sitchin"
maybe they knew something you obviously don't
btw its "Sitchin"
He's apparently your idol, but not mine.
And yes, our ancestors are said to have known many things that have since been lost to us, and must be redicovered.
QUOTE(HH husa @ Jun 8 2007, 01:50 PM) [snapback]1714907[/snapback]
why do you say the earth is female ?
I assume it is reference to Mother Earth, Gaia, Mother Nature, etc.
QUOTE(draconic chronicler @ Jun 8 2007, 10:33 PM) [snapback]1715640[/snapback]
While Stichen and others have certainly embellished the Sumerian myths, turning Gods of Wisdom into intergalactic "Science Officers", it is nevertheless strange that many of the world's most advanced cultures for their time shared similar legends about "flying serpents", dragons and the like that came from heaven, supposedly taught humans technologies and agriculture and gradually became more human as time went on. There seems to be little or no evdence of contact between these cultures, yet the dieties are remarkably similar from Mesopotamia, to China, to Mesoamerica. What natural creature would have inspired stories of reptiles, (which are not paritucularly bright) to become Gods of wisdom all over the world? Since we do not see a natural creature in the world to inspire such myths, why did ancient people all over the world believe in similar, intelligent and benificent reptilian creatures?
I can ask the same question concerning Bigfoot/Yeti/Sasquatch/Ape Skunk.
QUOTE(draconic chronicler @ Jun 9 2007, 07:28 AM) [snapback]1716063[/snapback]
He's apparently your idol, but not mine.
And yes, our ancestors are said to have known many things that have since been lost to us, and must be redicovered.
And yes, our ancestors are said to have known many things that have since been lost to us, and must be redicovered.
Yup. That's exectly right, Draconic. That's why we're discovering so many things right now.
QUOTE(:PsYKoTiC:BeHAvIoR: @ Jun 9 2007, 07:17 AM) [snapback]1716102[/snapback]
I can ask the same question concerning Bigfoot/Yeti/Sasquatch/Ape Skunk.
That's truth. This is probably one of the other more likely cryptids, considering this is another belief in a similar creature around the world.
The important thing about both is that they are intelligent creatures, which could explain how they can avoid man if they wish to.
anunakies came from planet nubiru,the x planet,or the 10th planet of our solar system,they symbol it with the cross.
famous are their wallpaintings,at most of them,anunakies are creating humans.
famous are also the Giglames book and their tablets,they are writing about the creation and how did they came here.
famous are their wallpaintings,at most of them,anunakies are creating humans.
famous are also the Giglames book and their tablets,they are writing about the creation and how did they came here.
wow they look like angels LOL
QUOTE(draconic chronicler @ Jun 9 2007, 07:28 AM) [snapback]1716063[/snapback]
He's apparently your idol, but not mine.
And yes, our ancestors are said to have known many things that have since been lost to us, and must be redicovered.
And yes, our ancestors are said to have known many things that have since been lost to us, and must be redicovered.
Such as?
--Jaylemurph
in there myth when do you think that the ancient one's lived if you were able to put it in a time line ,how far back would you have to go?
QUOTE(alexpap @ Jun 15 2007, 09:46 PM) [snapback]1726742[/snapback]
anunakies came from planet nubiru,the x planet,or the 10th planet of our solar system,they symbol it with the cross.
famous are their wallpaintings,at most of them,anunakies are creating humans.
famous are also the Giglames book and their tablets,they are writing about the creation and how did they came here.
famous are their wallpaintings,at most of them,anunakies are creating humans.
famous are also the Giglames book and their tablets,they are writing about the creation and how did they came here.
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in there myth when do you think that the ancient one's lived if you were able to put it in a time line ,how far back would you have to go?
In whose myth? (am confused
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QUOTE(Themis @ Jun 16 2007, 08:23 PM) [snapback]1728183[/snapback]
In whose myth? (am confused )
)sumerians who else.
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