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truelies23
What are the The Homunculus, Golem, Talismans and Magickal or MoonChilde?
What do they have to do with secret societies?

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Mary Shelly’s classic Frankenstein or Prometheus Rising was based upon the Kabbalistic creature the Golem or its tiny cousin, the magickal creature of Alchemy, the diminutive twelve-inch-tall—Homunculus--allegedly created by Paracelsus. The legend goes that his recipe was a bag of bones, sperm, skin fragments and hair from the animal he wanted it to be a hybrid of.

Behind all myths and legends there are truths often hidden in allegory.

What is the truth, the secret behind this legend?
By today’s standards of modern science and genetics, this seems the stuff of pure fantasy. And yet, the founder of Scientology L. Ron Hubbard tried to create just such a creature.

I’d like to open this topic by asking you: what are the true sacred rituals practiced to this day by thousands of members of so-called secret societies, occult organizations, and most often by highly educated professionals. Rituals that originated in Sumer, Egypt, and India. Rituals that, though denied and closely guarded, were revealed to the highest ranking members of the Freemasons and practiced by men and women alike, by necessity, for centuries.

I don’t want to shock you or overload you with the true history and meaning behind the symbolic language of magick and Alchemy in one stroke. Nor do I have all the answeres. So please offer your insight. Some will know the secret or by intuition guess correctly. Let’s see what happens.



Malruhn
QUOTE(truelies23 @ Jun 6 2007, 01:00 AM) [snapback]1711185[/snapback]
I’d like to open this topic by asking you: what are the true sacred rituals practiced to this day by thousands of members of so-called secret societies, occult organizations, and most often by highly educated professionals. Rituals that originated in Sumer, Egypt, and India. Rituals that, though denied and closely guarded, were revealed to the highest ranking members of the Freemasons and practiced by men and women alike, by necessity, for centuries.

I'll start out with a...

ummmm, None? Alchemy and necromancy aren't even mentioned in the Seven Sacred Arts and Sciences in Masonic Ritual...

You ask a question couched within so many accusations - offer no proof of your accusations - and then expect serious answers? You make allegations that are not only out there, I haven't even HEARD them before, and I've been studying anti-Masonry for almost a decade.

How about you re-ask your question, make it clear what it is that you want, and then at least provide cites and sources for your allegations. THEN we'll see if we can dig up some answers to satisfy some portion of your curiosity.
Lord Umbarger
The Golom is from Jewish folklore. Supposedly, a couple of Rabbis made him from dirt form the mountains and sand/water from the coast and brought him to life by placing a placard with the true name of G-d on it in his mouth. They used him to carry messages back and forth and to help the Jews in some ghetto for a while before they destroyed him. I don't remember why they killed him though.
truelies23
QUOTE(Malruhn @ Jun 6 2007, 04:31 AM) [snapback]1711370[/snapback]
I'll start out with a...

ummmm, None? Alchemy and necromancy aren't even mentioned in the Seven Sacred Arts and Sciences in Masonic Ritual...

You ask a question couched within so many accusations - offer no proof of your accusations - and then expect serious answers? You make allegations that are not only out there, I haven't even HEARD them before, and I've been studying anti-Masonry for almost a decade.

How about you re-ask your question, make it clear what it is that you want, and then at least provide cites and sources for your allegations. THEN we'll see if we can dig up some answers to satisfy some portion of your curiosity.


Your so-called couched accusations are solely in your mind's eye. Going off an a tangent by labeling this an Anti-Masonry post shows that you have tunnel vision. I’ve seen your other posts regarding Masonry, and I thought they were your best attempt to answer some rather typical misconceptions and I applaud you for doing so.
If you care to re-read this post it is speaking of ancient rituals hidden in the allegory of a myth. It refers to Alchemy and Scientology but never mentioned necromancy... again I see your subjective hackles being raised without due cause. This has absolutely nothing to do with Satanism or Devil Worship whatsoever.
I did refer to Masonry, but I do not think you or anyone can speak on behalf of all Masons or branches throughout history.
No you won't find the answer to this in your "years of study of Anti-Masonry" because it has nothing to do with that subject at all. You are well aware that the Anti-Masonry tracts are tabloid nonsense.

I made this opened ended enough but filled with enough clear hints for those here with backgrounds in esoteric research to pick up the torch and offer their opinions on the meaning of this symbolism. And there are various belief systems practiced by many, which received this ancient ritual through symbolic language. Hidden from the profane and the Inquisition.

But, fine, if you insist that I be more specific.... let's start with the more resent history... Hubbard and John Whiteside Parsons, former "rocket scientist" at JPL and former OTH of the OTO's Agape Lodge in Pasadena, Ca. in the 50's, who conducted rituals to create a Moonchilde or Homunculus.

Then if someone here can answer just what type of ritual this Babalon Working was, we can move on to the true meaning of the symbols and code of Alchemy. If they cannot, then I'll explain. Another hint. Tantric yoga has a direct relation.

This is I repeat not a topic concerning Freemasons since only a small percentage of Freemasons, yourself obviously not included, would be knowledgeable concerning this information.

It is rather a topic that, if fully explored, gives a clear insight into the meaning behind Alchemy the inner secrets of esoteric orders.



truelies23
QUOTE(Lord Umbarger @ Jun 6 2007, 11:30 PM) [snapback]1712818[/snapback]
The Golom is from Jewish folklore. Supposedly, a couple of Rabbis made him from dirt form the mountains and sand/water from the coast and brought him to life by placing a placard with the true name of G-d on it in his mouth. They used him to carry messages back and forth and to help the Jews in some ghetto for a while before they destroyed him. I don't remember why they killed him though.


Lord Umbager, yes, Bingo! That his the mostly widely known story concerning the Golem. It allegedly happened in Prague, where Rabbi Judah Loew used the so-called practical Kabbalah rituals to create this humanoid creature who did his bidding by protecting the Jewish residents of the ghetto. But the creature did so without benefit of a soul, took commands literally and eventually became murderous and uncontrollable, and like Shelly’s Frankenstein monster, turned upon its creator. Yes, the tetragramation, the holy name of God was used. Then the word EMET, God’s truth, was affixed to its forehead. To kill it or deactivate it, the first letter E was removed, changing it to MET, meaning …death.
However, the process used to create this creature is pure story-telling. Another example of allegory concealing the process from the general reader. Part of the kernel of truth is the moral of the story, that hubris and egotism, and selfish intent, like karma, is reflected back upon the sorcerer’s apprentice.

There is an esoteric group which traces it’s history back to Germany and was also deeply influenced by an American occultist and physician, a black man and acquaintance of Abraham Lincoln and spiritualist. A world traveler, Paschal Beverly Randolph claimed to have learned this secret ritual from the Nusa’iri tribe of Syria. He postulated a system, which taught beliefs similar to Mesmer’s animal magnetism, electro-magnetic energy transference and polarity in relation to men and women. It’s German founders were Carl Kellner and Theodor Reuss. It is called the O.T.O. or Ordo Templi Orientis. They too, created the homunculus or Golem but not from clay!
Malruhn
Truelies23, you've changed your question and how you interpreted it...
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I’d like to open this topic by asking you: what are the true sacred rituals practiced to this day by thousands of members of so-called secret societies, occult organizations, and most often by highly educated professionals. Rituals that originated in Sumer, Egypt, and India. Rituals that, though denied and closely guarded, were revealed to the highest ranking members of the Freemasons and practiced by men and women alike, by necessity, for centuries.

After bringing up Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, then you bounce into a question about sacred rituals that have been practiced by Freemasons... Sorry, but that reads like an accusation to me. While the story of Frankenstein may have been based upon the concept of homunculi creation, it was necrophilia and necromancy in its purest sense. There were a large number of allegorical references in the story, but to the common reader, it was necromancy. That is why I brought it up.

The Seven Liberal Arts and Sciences that are promoted in Freemasonry are grammar, rhetoric, logic, arithmetic, geometry, music, and astronomy, so alchemy isn't even close to being included. In all my study, alchemy has yet to be discussed, save as a passing note that this famous Freemason dabbled in alchemy, or that one was into chemistry.

This is why I am defensive.

Then you say that you want to know all the sacred rituals that Masonic men AND WOMEN have practiced for centuries... another baseless and incorrect assumption. It sounds like you already believe you KNOW what rituals you refer to and are just looking for some lap dogs to stroke your ego and let you feel superior for knowing it before them, OR you are trolling, looking for a joker to take the bait.

It looks like I'm that joker...

I am a student of Freemasonry, learning as much as I can absorb. I am also a student of anti-Masonic thought, because I feel that one can learn more about an organization if you understand how nay-sayers come to their beliefs. In my years of studying Freemasonry, I have never heard of the study or promotion of alchemy - nor of scientology. Likewise, as I said above, in my years of studying anti-Masonic thought, I have never encountered it. Now, in what appears to be a poorly veiled accusation, you say that they are linked... and I expressed my incredulity.

I have never heard the insinuation that Freemasons were involved in anything remotely related to alchemy - AND I just really, REALLY like that word... incredulity. (thanks for giving me the excuse to use it!!)(yes, I am arguing AND having a smile at the same time....

Then you FINALLY get to a specific question... what rituals did Parsons, et al, use to attempt to create the homunculus. According to the wiki (who's accuracy may not be too good...), they didn't attempt to create one - rather they attempted to summon a goddess to change the future of mankind. That is quite a large difference. I would ask that you not confuse Freemasonry with OTO - as the OTO was started as a separate organization and was only transmogrified to model Freemasonry by Crowley - who by that time had been kicked out of Freemasonry. You mentioned Jack Parsons - and might leave some readers to believe that he was involved in Freemasonry, but that isn't true. He was OTO - and according to wiki (again), attempted to summon a GODDESS - not create a homunclulous.

While I agree that the story of the golem in Prague is fanciful, aren't you shooting your own argument in the foot by immediately dismissing it? I thought that it was supposed to have been obscurred in allegory and based upon a kernel of truth... and you are throwing it out? Sorry, but I'm trying to find out where you stand... and am coming up wanting.
Lord Umbarger
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Lord Umbager, yes, Bingo! That his the mostly widely known story concerning the Golem.
That's right! I couldn't remember the name of the city. It's been a long time since I was on my Grandmothers knee. I had totally forgotten about the EMET/MET part! What a blast from the past! I assume that you also realise that some speculate that it might have been the original inspiration for Mary Shelley's Frankenstein?

In a slightly less on topic vein, I once read this book when I was a teenager called "Diaspora". I forget the authers name but, a good yarn nonetheless. In the story, the Israelis had moved to a space colony after Israel had been destroyed by an arab nuclear attack. The computer that controled the space stations functions was named "Golom".

trulies23, Atah Ivrie??? (are you Jewish?)

I was just wondering if you were or just have an interest in Jewish/Yiddish folklore?
Ever heard of the Shmeer, a worm that eats holes through rocks?
The Zvi, the bird whose egg burst and drowned 40 villages?
How about ducks growing from trees!?!?

Yep, I got a steady dose of these stories growing up. It explains a lot about me today!!!

SeaMare
You might wanna add the Alraune or Mandragore to your list.

As a kid,I that story always fascinated me. The Alraune (Mandrake in English) is a plant whose root can resemble a human, e.g. arms & legs, a bit like a big Ginseng root. Since antiquitiy, the plant was given conception facilitating & aphrodisiac properties; and was apparently mentioned in the Bible too.

Anyways, the tale goes that the Alraune would shriek when being plucked, and that the shriek was so horrid that it could render people mad; so very complicated magical rituals had to be followed to be able to harvest the Alraune unharmed.

The other part of the legend was that hanged men, at the moment of death, would ejaculate, and the semen that got absorbed into the earth would grow into an Alraune. If one had the proper magical knowledge to harvest them; which in some countries involved, I think, a full moon and a black dog, one could bring them to life & they would do your bidding.

As to what ancient truth you're alluding, I don't know. A version of man calling up a demon or spirit to do your bidding, grant you power, wealth & other sundry wishes comes to mind. The Faustian Theme. As you said yourself, human hubris, yadda yadda, wanting to be godlike & it always ends badly. But that's hardly news. That fantasy is probably as old as humanity itself. Or are you referring to the esoteric/alchemical principle of Analogy? As above, so below- If you find the correct words/symbols in the plane of words, you can change matter/reality? That's hardly news either...
truelies23
QUOTE(Lord Umbarger @ Jun 7 2007, 10:23 PM) [snapback]1714236[/snapback]
That's right! I couldn't remember the name of the city. It's been a long time since I was on my Grandmothers knee. I had totally forgotten about the EMET/MET part! What a blast from the past! I assume that you also realise that some speculate that it might have been the original inspiration for Mary Shelley's Frankenstein?

In a slightly less on topic vein, I once read this book when I was a teenager called "Diaspora". I forget the authers name but, a good yarn nonetheless. In the story, the Israelis had moved to a space colony after Israel had been destroyed by an arab nuclear attack. The computer that controled the space stations functions was named "Golom".

trulies23, Atah Ivrie??? (are you Jewish?)

I was just wondering if you were or just have an interest in Jewish/Yiddish folklore?
Ever heard of the Shmeer, a worm that eats holes through rocks?
The Zvi, the bird whose egg burst and drowned 40 villages?
How about ducks growing from trees!?!?

Yep, I got a steady dose of these stories growing up. It explains a lot about me today!!!

Not practising per say just part of my heritage. But like you I find the mythos and stories filled with such wonderful imagery.
In fact not as a plug, but I used the Shmeer in my novel which was just published. If you wish to know about it just e-mail a private message, don't want to be acused of spaming here. :-)
As I said, for the other fellow, I never intended to get into Masonry here, which I can see, since he adamantly denies any association of the O.T.O and Alchemy and Hermetic beliefs with Masonry, would be like trying to discuss religion with a Televangelist. Totally pointless since he has already made up his mind on every aspect of the subject and will fall back on quoting this and that over and over to make the same point. I suppose he would deny that Albert Pike's Morals and Dogma has nothing to do with Hermeticism and the ancient mystery religion's beliefs and practises, too, saying that Pike was some sort of Lone Ranger on the lunatic fringe of Masonry who no modern Mason finds credible today. Or maybe it wasn't on his reading list? That Rudolph Steiner was excumunicated from Masonry, too.

But enough about what Masonry is or isn't.

What I was getting at was already stated in my response. And yes, the wikipedia as usual is partially correct, but summoning the Scarlet Women or the Whore of Babylon was only half the working. Further research documented by Parson’s own diaries in the N.Y. public library, clearly states that his intention was the creation of a Moonchilde to bring in the new Aeon.


Robert Anton Wilson’s the Cosmic Trigger Vol. I lightly touches on the true highest secret rituals and their relationship to the symbolic language of Alchemy. However, he shies away from spelling it out clearly.
Even the late RAW, who I respect very much for his eclectic knowledge of history, mythos, quantum physics and Hermeticism, was reluctant to state the hidden code so that anyone could understand it in one simple reading. Although he did state quite simply that once you realize that the sex act is the ultimate key, the veil will drop and you’ll have one of those Eureka-like peak experiences.
I was hoping someone here would jump into the fray and give their take on it.:-)

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