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Could this be? The government manipulating oil to help their cronies? See this vid, it maybe true. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbakN7SLdbk
Moved from the Ancient Mysteries & Alternative History forum. It seems to be more appropriate for the conspiracies section.
theres no shortage of oil...just an over-supply of market manipulation ...the cartels and futures traders; have run the price up artificially...the consumer is the only hope for the elite..all their other investments have showed minimal gain...the consumer is being gouged because we are dependable...and needy
It's never going to run out. We may outpace its production at some point in the distant future, but it replenishes.
http://www.agiweb.org/geotimes/nov02/NN_oil.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin
http://www.agiweb.org/geotimes/nov02/NN_oil.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin
Well stated Unlimited...very well stated. It was short, sweet and smack on the mark. 
QUOTE(Celumnaz @ Jun 6 2007, 08:07 AM) [snapback]1711496[/snapback]
It's never going to run out. We may outpace its production at some point in the distant future, but it replenishes.
http://www.agiweb.org/geotimes/nov02/NN_oil.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin
http://www.agiweb.org/geotimes/nov02/NN_oil.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin
Yah , it replenishes, but lets say you find two acres land with oil underneath, once you drill it out , it takes hundreds and hundreds of years to restore that. So we are losing oil at an expodential rate.
Thank you waspie, I am rather new to the forum.
QUOTE(Waspie_Dwarf @ Jun 6 2007, 12:26 PM) [snapback]1711456[/snapback]
Moved from the Ancient Mysteries & Alternative History forum. It seems to be more appropriate for the conspiracies section.
is there all that oil? that's debatable.
is oil infinite? no.
do the oil companies take advantage of consumers ? you bet !
should we move to alternative fuel sources ? without a doubt. that would sting the oil companies , make us less Dependant on oil and give us a fuel safer and cleaner for the environment. all a positive.
is oil infinite? no.
do the oil companies take advantage of consumers ? you bet !
should we move to alternative fuel sources ? without a doubt. that would sting the oil companies , make us less Dependant on oil and give us a fuel safer and cleaner for the environment. all a positive.
I agree totally, we need to invest in more research. Billions need to be invested, but where is the money going to come from? Seems like the mega corporations have more control (Money) to influence people in the government possibly and big oil is making way more money than any other types of business's. If this video is actually true, its a travesty to let people who barely make a living suffer while the oil barons get mega wealthy. <shakes head in a disgusting manner>.
QUOTE(Lt_Ripley @ Jun 6 2007, 05:30 PM) [snapback]1711971[/snapback]
is there all that oil? that's debatable.
is oil infinite? no.
do the oil companies take advantage of consumers ? you bet !
should we move to alternative fuel sources ? without a doubt. that would sting the oil companies , make us less Dependant on oil and give us a fuel safer and cleaner for the environment. all a positive.
is oil infinite? no.
do the oil companies take advantage of consumers ? you bet !
should we move to alternative fuel sources ? without a doubt. that would sting the oil companies , make us less Dependant on oil and give us a fuel safer and cleaner for the environment. all a positive.
There is no oil shortage, there are lakes and seas of oil remaining untouched but if there is no need to pump it up because we already have enough oil for another 40 years of consumption then why drill for more and lower the price and damage the oil cartels profit margin?
If you had a year’s supply of beer stashed in your garage why would you go down the shops and purchase more?
Its all to do with the socialist green agenda and the accompanying economy that’s supporting it, environmentally friendly energy alternatives are very profitable to there owners as the renewable source of energy is free to the energy supplier so their overheads will only be for the electrical and mechanical infrastructure and it’s maintenance.
Does your telephone require adaptation to use Solar power electricity? or perhaps the light bulb wont work on Tidal power electricity?
Maybe we would have to import solar and sea power if our energy consumption went up.
If you had a year’s supply of beer stashed in your garage why would you go down the shops and purchase more?
Its all to do with the socialist green agenda and the accompanying economy that’s supporting it, environmentally friendly energy alternatives are very profitable to there owners as the renewable source of energy is free to the energy supplier so their overheads will only be for the electrical and mechanical infrastructure and it’s maintenance.
Does your telephone require adaptation to use Solar power electricity? or perhaps the light bulb wont work on Tidal power electricity?
Maybe we would have to import solar and sea power if our energy consumption went up.
The trick to it is, is to have an energy source that is limitless and non polluting. What can this energy be? http://amasci.com/freenrg/hudson.txt
What you have to do is you have to take a radio frequency transmitter and you
have to resonance frequency tune the superconductor to match the frequency of
the wire. [More likely tune the wire to match the superconductor]. So the
wire now is oscillation with its electron waves exactly the same as the
superconductor. At that point the electronic pair can go on the
superconductor with no push at all. Because electrons are continually moving
over here on the wire and they are seeking the path of least resistance. And
so when you have them in perfect synchronization with the superconductor they
go on with no push at all as pairs.
Now this takes a little explaining because one spin one half electron plus one
spin one half electron are two particles. Yet when these two particles become
perfectly paired as mirror images of each other they lose all particle aspects
and they become nothing but pure light. This doesn't make sense either, does
it? But that's the way it is. Spin one half plus spin one half gives you
spin one which now is pure light. Trust me it is so. So they can't go on as
individual electrons, they go on as light.
Now the crazy thing about electrons is that one electron can exist in one
space time and if it moves to another space time it gives off light or absorbs
light. It's moving from one space time to another. Now we have light, which
is two electrons. Light doesn't exist in any space time. You can put 50
billion lights all in the same space time and it is OK.
Now we don't have a conductor. A conductor you put electricity on the wire,
you got to take the electricity off or it won't flow. You've got to ground
it, right? With a super conductor it's not. It can go on and go on and go on
and go on...and it doesn't have to come off. Now if you want to take it off
you have to put a wire next to it and you have to resonance frequency tune the
wire to match the superconductor. And when it's in perfect harmony you apply
a voltage and poof off goes the energy.
So if you literally can make a superconductor that stretches from Portland to
New York City and you put energy on over here for two or three or four days.
You don't have to take it off over there. It's ok you can keep putting it in.
And when they want it in New York they can resonance frequency tune the wire,
apply voltage and suck it out. It gets a free ride from Portland all the way
to New York. On this quantal wave of the superconductor, as light not
electricity.
How do you measure it if it has no voltage in it? How is it possible to get a
machine that can measure this light? And guess what, it can't be done. Cause
every piece of instrumentation man has ever figured out always uses a
differential it must reflect and yet a superconductor has no voltage. You
literally start the superconductor flowing by applying a magnetic field. It
responds to the magnetic field by flowing light inside of it and building a
bigger Meissner field around it.
You can put your magnet down and walk away. You come back a hundred years
later and it is still flowing exactly the same as when you left. It doesn't
ever slow down. It excludes, not 99.9999, it excludes 100.000000 of all
external magnetic fields. There is absolutely no resistance in the sample; it
is perpetual motion. It runs for ever and ever and ever and ever.
What you have to do is you have to take a radio frequency transmitter and you
have to resonance frequency tune the superconductor to match the frequency of
the wire. [More likely tune the wire to match the superconductor]. So the
wire now is oscillation with its electron waves exactly the same as the
superconductor. At that point the electronic pair can go on the
superconductor with no push at all. Because electrons are continually moving
over here on the wire and they are seeking the path of least resistance. And
so when you have them in perfect synchronization with the superconductor they
go on with no push at all as pairs.
Now this takes a little explaining because one spin one half electron plus one
spin one half electron are two particles. Yet when these two particles become
perfectly paired as mirror images of each other they lose all particle aspects
and they become nothing but pure light. This doesn't make sense either, does
it? But that's the way it is. Spin one half plus spin one half gives you
spin one which now is pure light. Trust me it is so. So they can't go on as
individual electrons, they go on as light.
Now the crazy thing about electrons is that one electron can exist in one
space time and if it moves to another space time it gives off light or absorbs
light. It's moving from one space time to another. Now we have light, which
is two electrons. Light doesn't exist in any space time. You can put 50
billion lights all in the same space time and it is OK.
Now we don't have a conductor. A conductor you put electricity on the wire,
you got to take the electricity off or it won't flow. You've got to ground
it, right? With a super conductor it's not. It can go on and go on and go on
and go on...and it doesn't have to come off. Now if you want to take it off
you have to put a wire next to it and you have to resonance frequency tune the
wire to match the superconductor. And when it's in perfect harmony you apply
a voltage and poof off goes the energy.
So if you literally can make a superconductor that stretches from Portland to
New York City and you put energy on over here for two or three or four days.
You don't have to take it off over there. It's ok you can keep putting it in.
And when they want it in New York they can resonance frequency tune the wire,
apply voltage and suck it out. It gets a free ride from Portland all the way
to New York. On this quantal wave of the superconductor, as light not
electricity.
How do you measure it if it has no voltage in it? How is it possible to get a
machine that can measure this light? And guess what, it can't be done. Cause
every piece of instrumentation man has ever figured out always uses a
differential it must reflect and yet a superconductor has no voltage. You
literally start the superconductor flowing by applying a magnetic field. It
responds to the magnetic field by flowing light inside of it and building a
bigger Meissner field around it.
You can put your magnet down and walk away. You come back a hundred years
later and it is still flowing exactly the same as when you left. It doesn't
ever slow down. It excludes, not 99.9999, it excludes 100.000000 of all
external magnetic fields. There is absolutely no resistance in the sample; it
is perpetual motion. It runs for ever and ever and ever and ever.
QUOTE(zimbob @ Jun 7 2007, 02:45 AM) [snapback]1712629[/snapback]
There is no oil shortage, there are lakes and seas of oil remaining untouched but if there is no need to pump it up because we already have enough oil for another 40 years of consumption then why drill for more and lower the price and damage the oil cartels profit margin?
If you had a year’s supply of beer stashed in your garage why would you go down the shops and purchase more?
Its all to do with the socialist green agenda and the accompanying economy that’s supporting it, environmentally friendly energy alternatives are very profitable to there owners as the renewable source of energy is free to the energy supplier so their overheads will only be for the electrical and mechanical infrastructure and it’s maintenance.
Does your telephone require adaptation to use Solar power electricity? or perhaps the light bulb wont work on Tidal power electricity?
Maybe we would have to import solar and sea power if our energy consumption went up.
If you had a year’s supply of beer stashed in your garage why would you go down the shops and purchase more?
Its all to do with the socialist green agenda and the accompanying economy that’s supporting it, environmentally friendly energy alternatives are very profitable to there owners as the renewable source of energy is free to the energy supplier so their overheads will only be for the electrical and mechanical infrastructure and it’s maintenance.
Does your telephone require adaptation to use Solar power electricity? or perhaps the light bulb wont work on Tidal power electricity?
Maybe we would have to import solar and sea power if our energy consumption went up.
Personally, I believe that the oil on Earth is pretty much finite. I don't know how much there is but, I'm sure there is a limit on it. I think that we will eventually reach a point where is it takes more energy to get what's left out than it is worth but, I don't think that we are all that close to it as of yet. I am not a geologist though, so I could be wrong here.
As for the present "shortage", I think that it is most likely a manufactured shortage. I don't see what the incentive is to produce more when you make more money for producing less!?! We haven't had a new refinary built in the United States in something like forty years. Most companies invest their proffits back into the companys Research and Development. I think that it was Exxon that recently cleared a cool 9 billion in profit for one quarter! How much of that money went into building new refinaries? None. How much of that went into alternative forms of energy? They say a lot, I say I haven't seen anything yet.
Before we get all heated up about running out of oil, what about those oil fields in Alaska that we've locatd but haven't drilled the first drop out of?
As for the present "shortage", I think that it is most likely a manufactured shortage. I don't see what the incentive is to produce more when you make more money for producing less!?! We haven't had a new refinary built in the United States in something like forty years. Most companies invest their proffits back into the companys Research and Development. I think that it was Exxon that recently cleared a cool 9 billion in profit for one quarter! How much of that money went into building new refinaries? None. How much of that went into alternative forms of energy? They say a lot, I say I haven't seen anything yet.
Before we get all heated up about running out of oil, what about those oil fields in Alaska that we've locatd but haven't drilled the first drop out of?
QUOTE(Lord Umbarger @ Jun 7 2007, 12:16 AM) [snapback]1712801[/snapback]
Personally, I believe that the oil on Earth is pretty much finite. I don't know how much there is but, I'm sure there is a limit on it. I think that we will eventually reach a point where is it takes more energy to get what's left out than it is worth but, I don't think that we are all that close to it as of yet. I am not a geologist though, so I could be wrong here.
As for the present "shortage", I think that it is most likely a manufactured shortage. I don't see what the incentive is to produce more when you make more money for producing less!?! We haven't had a new refinary built in the United States in something like forty years. Most companies invest their proffits back into the companys Research and Development. I think that it was Exxon that recently cleared a cool 9 billion in profit for one quarter! How much of that money went into building new refinaries? None. How much of that went into alternative forms of energy? They say a lot, I say I haven't seen anything yet.
Before we get all heated up about running out of oil, what about those oil fields in Alaska that we've locatd but haven't drilled the first drop out of?
As for the present "shortage", I think that it is most likely a manufactured shortage. I don't see what the incentive is to produce more when you make more money for producing less!?! We haven't had a new refinary built in the United States in something like forty years. Most companies invest their proffits back into the companys Research and Development. I think that it was Exxon that recently cleared a cool 9 billion in profit for one quarter! How much of that money went into building new refinaries? None. How much of that went into alternative forms of energy? They say a lot, I say I haven't seen anything yet.
Before we get all heated up about running out of oil, what about those oil fields in Alaska that we've locatd but haven't drilled the first drop out of?
Yah , it replenishes, but lets say you find two acres land with oil underneath, once you drill it out , it takes hundreds and hundreds of years to restore that. So we are losing oil at an expodential rate.
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So we are losing oil at an expodential rate.
well, yeah. No matter how much there really is, there pretty much has to be a limit on it. As the old saying goes, you can only go to the well so many times. All resources are finite on a finite world. Like harvesting all the corn in the field, you can plant more but, if you eat it faster than it grows, sooner or later, you're going to go hungry.
Oil Quiz- http://www.theoildrum.com/node/2636#more
QUOTE(Lord Umbarger @ Jun 7 2007, 01:16 AM) [snapback]1712801[/snapback]
Personally, I believe that the oil on Earth is pretty much finite. I don't know how much there is but, I'm sure there is a limit on it. I think that we will eventually reach a point where is it takes more energy to get what's left out than it is worth but, I don't think that we are all that close to it as of yet. I am not a geologist though, so I could be wrong here.
As for the present "shortage", I think that it is most likely a manufactured shortage. I don't see what the incentive is to produce more when you make more money for producing less!?! We haven't had a new refinary built in the United States in something like forty years. Most companies invest their proffits back into the companys Research and Development. I think that it was Exxon that recently cleared a cool 9 billion in profit for one quarter! How much of that money went into building new refinaries? None. How much of that went into alternative forms of energy? They say a lot, I say I haven't seen anything yet.
Before we get all heated up about running out of oil, what about those oil fields in Alaska that we've locatd but haven't drilled the first drop out of?
As for the present "shortage", I think that it is most likely a manufactured shortage. I don't see what the incentive is to produce more when you make more money for producing less!?! We haven't had a new refinary built in the United States in something like forty years. Most companies invest their proffits back into the companys Research and Development. I think that it was Exxon that recently cleared a cool 9 billion in profit for one quarter! How much of that money went into building new refinaries? None. How much of that went into alternative forms of energy? They say a lot, I say I haven't seen anything yet.
Before we get all heated up about running out of oil, what about those oil fields in Alaska that we've locatd but haven't drilled the first drop out of?
Have you been to Alaska? I just got back from there.
It'd be a far greater crime to pollute and destroy the untouched wilderness there than to go drill oil so some fat American can drive two blocks to get a big gulp or watch 30 minutes of Everybody Loves Raymond on his HDTV.
--Jaylemurph
QUOTE(tyler t. @ Jun 8 2007, 08:43 PM) [snapback]1715652[/snapback]
Yah , it replenishes, but lets say you find two acres land with oil underneath, once you drill it out , it takes hundreds and hundreds of years to restore that. So we are losing oil at an expodential rate.
Why did you repeat the same post? I say we tap the Alaskan fields for all they are worth.
QUOTE(jaylemurph @ Jun 12 2007, 12:19 PM) [snapback]1720765[/snapback]
Have you been to Alaska? I just got back from there.
It'd be a far greater crime to pollute and destroy the untouched wilderness there than to go drill oil so some fat American can drive two blocks to get a big gulp or watch 30 minutes of Everybody Loves Raymond on his HDTV.
--Jaylemurph
It'd be a far greater crime to pollute and destroy the untouched wilderness there than to go drill oil so some fat American can drive two blocks to get a big gulp or watch 30 minutes of Everybody Loves Raymond on his HDTV.
--Jaylemurph
There are ways to do it safely and for right now oil moves our econmy. If prices get much higher our economy will eventually collapse. Other better, cheaper fuels are still decades away for real everyday use.
QUOTE(Eric Raven The Skeptic @ Jun 12 2007, 01:28 PM) [snapback]1720780[/snapback]
There are ways to do it safely and for right now oil moves our econmy. If prices get much higher our economy will eventually collapse. Other better, cheaper fuels are still decades away for real everyday use.
Only because of the oil cartels.
I get your point, but I just don't buy the "clean ways to get oil" schtick, especially not in a place like Alaska. I don't see much in American culture worth saving that's worth destroying Alaskan wilderness.
--Jaylemurph
yah Jaylemurph has a point. I don't know why people are even thinking of drilling Alaska. Its just ruining the environment. Go drill in Texas, all thats there is steers and queers lol im just joking all u Texans......
QUOTE(Eric Raven The Skeptic @ Jun 12 2007, 12:28 PM) [snapback]1720780[/snapback]
right now oil moves our econmy.
...and so do drugs.
From a man who experienced the Soviet Union's economic collapse-
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2007/Colla...Orlov1feb07.htm
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2007/Colla...Orlov1feb07.htm
Jay, you really need to get out once in a while lol. I guess if I lived where you do I would feel the same way. There is some awesome places in the USA that would blow your mind. The thing is about the video, they are putting natural gas BACK into the ground on wells they have already drilled. Brilliant huh?
QUOTE(jaylemurph @ Jun 12 2007, 08:14 PM) [snapback]1721060[/snapback]
Only because of the oil cartels.
I get your point, but I just don't buy the "clean ways to get oil" schtick, especially not in a place like Alaska. I don't see much in American culture worth saving that's worth destroying Alaskan wilderness.
--Jaylemurph
I get your point, but I just don't buy the "clean ways to get oil" schtick, especially not in a place like Alaska. I don't see much in American culture worth saving that's worth destroying Alaskan wilderness.
--Jaylemurph
PPL are to greedy to allow such cheap things humans have a natural urge to be powerful
QUOTE(Unlimited @ Jun 6 2007, 01:54 PM) 
theres no shortage of oil...just an over-supply of market manipulation ...the cartels and futures traders; have run the price up artificially...the consumer is the only hope for the elite..all their other investments have showed minimal gain...the consumer is being gouged because we are dependable...and needy
Just as we were manipulated to believe the US are after Iraqi war for oil, we are being manipulated to believe that money is the reason fr so much greed. The rabbit hole has no ending, the onion skins keep on coming.
What I mean is, the conspiracy over oil is only part of the equation used against humanity to gain riots when times. When you realize how much you have been duped into paying over the top taxes, you may get angry. This anger is needed for them to throw deeper control over humanity as they will not be able to hold back the new barrage of scandals and operational leaks from entering the public mind. 2008 has been predicted as the next wave of global organizational scandals. A lot deeper than last years rife of rat droppings our institutions let go of.
They have no choice but to allow the release of info against them. So the price fixing, is not just to consolidate companies, but to set you up. Namely, Americans. I don't know why, don't believe it much, but it is news that has been repeated most often as a future wind up end game solution thingy, towards global shutdown..
rioting over money then industrial slowdown, then martial law, then the real big stuff....No point going further, this is a topic on crude oil and the so called financial greed myths.
They never intended to rule us in the future. They already do and have done even before they copied and altered the concept of religions, kings and queens into the Northern hemisphere. So they already control. USA has always been an open dictatorship. More so than Russia, would you believe?
QUOTE(Lt_Ripley @ Jun 6 2007, 01:30 PM)
do the oil companies take advantage of consumers ? you bet !
should we move to alternative fuel sources ? without a doubt. that would sting the oil companies , make us less Dependant on oil and give us a fuel safer and cleaner for the environment. all a positive.
should we move to alternative fuel sources ? without a doubt. that would sting the oil companies , make us less Dependant on oil and give us a fuel safer and cleaner for the environment. all a positive.
Interesting ideas...
Oil companies take advantage of consumers?
How is that...the most highly taxed, regulated, and restricted companies in America, who make nominal profits per gallon of gas (the best managed, ExxonMobil, draws about 8 cents a gallon profit)...are taking advantage of consumers?
Alternative fuels...stinging the oil companies?
Let me ask you, when alternative fuels are something that is being invested in on a large scale, and seriously researched (which they are now, by the way), where do you think the talent, the know how, the money, and the ability to create them will come from?
Yes...the oil companies.
QUOTE(Essene @ Jun 6 2007, 12:18 AM)
Could this be? The government manipulating oil to help their cronies? See this vid, it maybe true. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbakN7SLdbk
It not only could be, it very likely is. Here in Oklahoma and Texas we have more oil still in the ground than does Saudi Arabia. Why don't we use it? It's deep and expensive to extract and the land surface is owned by people who don't want oil wells on their property, especially if they don't get royalties. It's just a matter of cost.
The war in Iraq is not about OUR oil; it is about controlling other countries access to oil. Geo-politics, power and control are the name of the game.
Doug
QUOTE(Essene @ Jun 6 2007, 01:18 AM)
Could this be? The government manipulating oil to help their cronies? See this vid, it maybe true. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbakN7SLdbk
No, it couldn't be, and it isn't. There has never been a shortage of oil. Another youtube intelligence exhibition.
There is only foreign oil dependence (for transparently obviuous reasons), and that of course means that we are at the whim of OPEC and their production rates, which they can change at a moment's notice, and thus, drive the price of crude up.
Harvesting our own vast resources is the essential and first step to energy dependence, lower prices (by a long shot), and the ability to stick it to the Middle East in a huge way, as well as making our already robust economy a massively active and enviable one across the planet.
Someone metioned Alaska. Did you know that the vast majority of Alaskans want oil production in their state, and they know that it can be done without any adverse environmental effects? They do indeed! They know full well what it will do for their state, and the country as a whole.
Some of the best engineeering minds are employed by our oil companies. The problem is, due to a certain long-term mentality in Congress, and a bunch of regulations put forth under the influence of a minority...they are not permitted to do what they know how, and are trained to do. Some oil companies are not even investing much at all in alternative energy sources. Know why? Because they, as businessmen, see clearly the writing on the wall.
Allow them to harvest crude reserves and increase refining capabilites, and you'll see money pouring in and research and development being done on alternative sources of energy. As it stands, the oil companies must bend to market pressures, and do what keeps them viable. People wonder why ExxonMobil is profictable.?
It's because they're investing a small amount in R&D on alternative sources and are using their management skills to capitalize on the market that exists. They know full well that we're talking decades until alternative energy sources are a viable thing to develop, and that oil is the engine of the world's economy, and will be until we have far sighted leadership that understands how we get away from OPEC.
When that happens...you can be assured that a company like ExxonMobil will be at the forefront of funding alternative energy source research and development.
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