Hamas Kindergarten Graduation Ceremony (requires Quicktime to watch)

Footage was taken just a few days ago. Truely sad and sickening of the child abuse religion does on innocent children. These poor kids are being brainwashed into following a blood thristy religion.

Sick, sick, sick. But you know, terrorists just need a hug from a liberal, and they'll put down their guns and start planting flowers.

Their loftiest aspiration is to die for Allah???!!! Poor children caught up in the web of war and Allah. This is truely scary stuff. Hamas may be a fanatical militant faction but when they have kindergartens and TV shows you got to wonder just how actually mainstream it is. The obsession all Muslims and especially ones of this type have with Allah is just frightening.

I now know why the christian Taliban is gearing up with "Jesus Camps". This is one of those occasions where they simply drop an explosive on the school during the graduation ceremony, so as to save the future from the blood thirsty programmed children. It can't be a bad thing, because they're living to die in the name of Allah. Send them early, so they can get on with living in paradise, free of the blood of their victims on their young hands.

They don't need a hug, They need help though.

Condemning really does nothing. It's an exercise in futility. People like Kratos may have good intentions but they will do nothing to help solve this problem if all they intend to do is point out the few whom are doing wrong amongst a religion with billions of followers. There are far too many doing good or living normal lives using that religion that outweigh those who are doing bad. Their holy book does have messages of hate within it, but it is pointless to condemn the religion since only a few act on this message. The Faith cannot be gotten rid of, all that can be done is to embrace those with the faith and to hope that we can get along peacefully. There are issues in the countries that these men live that are leading them to become suicide bombers for their faith. These issues need to be tackled, not the faith.

I think you are missing the point of your own speech. The faith is what compells the actions of more than a few. Indoctrinating young minds to become killers, creates a mind that, when it is grown, believes violence and bloodshed is pleasing to god. The excuse it is not the faith, is ridiculous. When, if it wasn't for the faith that inspires the violence, the children wouldn't then think it a glory to the god of the faith, to be murderers in his name.

Those issues are the faith.

1 billion+ followers means nothing to me when it's a bloody thristy and hateful mythology.

How many of those billions resort to thristing for blood or hate?

All of them support it, if they call themselves muslim... For it's in their holy book.

It's still part of the mythology.

How many children grow up to be suicide bombers when raised with the muslim faith? not a majority. Not even close. It is only when inequality strikes these people that they tend to lash out in violence and become suicide bombers. Does it matter what faith they believe in? isn't this a natural human reaction? Gangs are formed in the united states for this very same reason. They are the poor of society, and they want more for themselves. They'll break laws, they'll kill, they'll sacrifice of themselves to make sure that "their own" is provided for.

Now there are some that are intolerant, but guess what, that comes from humanity, not from a religion. there will always be intolerance, doesn't matter what religions exist. The problem we have is that the leaders of society are the one's that appear to be the most intolerant and most greedy.

I don't think that the Muslim religion supports suicide bombers. BUT since the Muslim world has not spoken out again and again LOUDLY condemning these kinds of acts they are complicit in what is happening.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas
They are not a few extremists, Hamas are the majority party in the PNA. I know also that it because of the state of Israel they are doing this, they don't want them there. This radicalism will only get worse. This situation is not really about faith it's about wanting their land back, political reasons, belief in Allah just gives them comfort when they do die. Why did the state of Israel get made back in the 1950's? Whose idea was this? Didn't they realise what it would produce? Hate, war, terror or was it a case of 'seemed like a good idea at the time?'

Well, with respect to the terrorist muslim organizations, one would have to look at where they exists in the world:Link

I was wrong in previous posts when I credited Islam being the 3rd populace faith on the planet, thanks to a bad source. So in point of fact Islam is the 2nd most populace religion. (If this table is true) In a world of billions of people, and given the radical terrorist muslim organizations listed in the first link, it promises to be more than a "few" that are murderers ready to kill the world in the name of allah.

Amen.

Another brilliant example of Europe starting the mess and then washing their hands of it and leaving it the rest of the world to sort out.

I'm not quite sure what the main reason was to put Israel into that region. Perhaps guilt/pity for the Jews, after what happened to them in the Holocaust?

It's too late to do anything about Israel though, If we take them out now the place may only get worse as they would see that we would bend to their violence.




You have to understand that by "few", I'm talking about a percentage of the faith. That there are more who are doing good or living normal lives with the muslim religion than those doing bad with it.

But like Kratos said, they are supporters of that violence, it is in the Koran.
Unless they speak out against the violence perpetuated by their own spiritual brethren, they are silent accomplices to it.
Just like the Vatican and Hitler.

And it is the faith that compells that good behavior in the name of allah. Those gentle souls aren't the issue in the muslim terrorism equation. The ones that claim the faith compells their strapping up with explosives and sacrificing themselves, so as to murder innocence, that they see as evil, is. And those are the ones you kill. Whether they are women, men or children. Because you haven't a clue what programming truly means to a young mind, until you see a child draw down with an automatic weapon, and that killer look in their eye, with the full intention of sending you right straight to hell. When you see that, you realize you are no longer looking at a child, because children are precious innocence living for a future, that doesn't include automatic weapons in tiny hands. But when you see a child ready to kill you, you know that somewhere along the line, humanity lost its way. Thinking that instilling a sense of murder, into a young precious mind, is the way to win a war in the name of the faith that seeks to rule it, using their own future generations, in the process. And when you kill that child. When you see their flesh and bone explode from the wound your own automatic rifle makes in a tiny chest, you know then that you've lost your way as well. Because you just destroyed a baby, because you had to, if you expected to be the one that survives the encounter with a terrorist, that was all of 8 years old.

I don't feel they support the people who are suicide bombers, but they merely understand it. I understand it too. I understand gang members and I understand Jihadists.

I also understand that the problem isn't them, it's the society that creates them. Yes society not religion creates them. There are those who stand by and condemn these people for their actions but do nothing to help these people. These people who join up as jihadists or join up as gang members, they are the one's who are opressed in society. They have nothing to lose, So if there is a reward they can get for their actions, tangible or not, they'll do whatever it takes to get it. break whatever laws, kill however many innocents that stand in there way.

And It doesn't matter, because rewarding themself is worth the suffering of others. Most humans think this way, it just depends on how far down this path you're willing to go. clearly, these disenfranchsied men are at a point that they feel that even the death of the innocent is acceptable. Condemn them all you want, until the opressed are freed from the opressors, this will always occur.

Aww! Lil terrorsits!


Pfft. Yeah, a hug with a bayonet. Do you honestly think either of them would want peace with the other?

It reminds me of an old Disney cartoon made in the early 40s about Hitler's Youth in Kindergarten.Deja Vu Its so similair to whats happening now, its scary.The children will believe what they are told until they pass it on. It's a vicious cycle.

Jihadists are gang members?!
Because they are poor and oppressed.
Yeah, that's why Osama is filthy rich.

There is a difference between western gang members, and islamic extremists. Those that you call oppressed in islam, that join terrorist organizations, are living in a country ruled by muslim law. Iraq , Afghanistan, Iran, just three examples. If they're oppressed, they're oppressed by their own ignorance, because many extremists are illiterate. So then it becomes the Imam's they trust, to communicate not only the koran, but the will of compliance to the muslim government. So if they're fighting, as you say, because they're disenfranchised, they should strap up and step into the halls of power in their own muslim countries, and detonate themselves, so as to free themselves and their people, from the true oppressors. Muslim law rules these countries. They've been killing one another for centuries, because of the politic among their own. It's a theocracy that we're talking about here, so the excuse that it's not the faith that compells the behavior, is weak, when the faith is what rules the land of the people that believe slaughter and sacrifice of self, is required by god to free a country from the Western influence. They're killing us, because they wish to remain oppressed under muslim law. Religion is nothing without it's people. And when people slaughter other people, in the name of their faith, I'll take them at their word that it's their faith that this is necessary, as opposed to those that like to say it's not the case, when the terrorists explode, to prove that it is.

Osama is the leader. do know you any gang leaders that are poor? the rich will get the poor to do the dirty work for them.

LOL. So the structure being the same means they are are the same thing?
So the glass pyramids outside the Louvre are as great wonders as the great stone ones in Egypt?
Similarities don't mean things are the same.
Gangs are driven by poverty, and are usually joined by choice.
Jihadists are driven by religious commandments, and a fervent belief in them, and are usually indoctrinated from birth and thus born into madness, as evidenced by the video that is the subject of this thread.

many of these gang members are born into poverty. These drug dealers recruit 10 and 11 year olds to push drugs on their classmates, when they witness bullets hailing, snitches murdered, gang members thriving, that lifestyle becomes a part of them, they can be just as indoctrinated as a muslim youth can be with their faith. Wealth to the poor can look just as glamorous as 100 virgins to the Jihadists.

Jihadists are driven by their religion, that's where they get their reward. However, you realize not all muslims do this, the one's that do it are either fanatical or are desparate. You'll never get rid of the religion, you have to try and get rid of the reasons to become suicide bombers. You can't condemn the religion for these people.

Indeed, and well said NHN. Every act committed by those indoctrinated into the violent aspect of islam, is for reward in the name of allah. Promises of virgins after death, martyrdom among their people so that their pictures adorn the countryside on what amount to recruitment posters, glorifying their sacrifice in the name of the faith. People are the faith! An illiterate claimed credit for the koran, claiming it channeled to him by god. Yet another gods breath declaring it is the supreme deity in the world. And people holding faith that is true, are what makes islam what it is today. And those that murder themselves and others in the name of it, are doing it because of their commitment of body,mind and soul, to the faith.

Faith, never blew up a bus in Israel. People that held faith it was gods will , did. Just like in this country. Christianity never executed an abortion doctor. Those claiming to be christian, with a scoped rifle, did. They interpreted their faith to mean it was in keeping with being an honorable servant of christ, to break the 6th commandment because the sacrifice of their life, to prison, was necessary for the "greater good." The only difference in that sick scenario , with regard to muslim extremists, is the god ideology that compels the terrorism. There are many good christians in this world that are pro-choice. The faith doesn't compel them to murder people, or speak hate and claim later to be tolerant. Then there are others, not like that. The same goes for islam. It's the faith in the heart of the believer, that they must act in such depraved anti-social ways, because they hold faith it is gods will and it's not their duty to question, but to obey.

How many Jihadists would be willing to sacrifice themselves if they had decent homes to go back to?

Those who lead the extremists would still be preaching the same message, but to a smaller audience if they couldn't get a hold of the oppressed whom make up the bulk of their suicide bombers.

Again, getting rid of the religion is not what should be done, we need to get rid of the reasons for people to do violence in the name of the religion. We have to get down to the main reason they would want to kill other people in this world. what their exact definition of an infidel is. The United states wasn't concerned with Terrorism until recently. What changed about America that would lead these people to target us?

The religion is the reason.
War is part of their scripture.
So to get rid of the reasons to kill innocents, you have to get rid of the religion.
And your reasons for kids joining gangs is wrong. The primary motivation is they have their sense of "belonging" fulfilled. Money has nothing to do with why kids join gangs. Hence, why it isn't just poor kids joining gangs, but kids from all classes.

Plenty of them. Osama bin laden's family is rich as hell and yet he commands islamic terror around the world. Many of the 9/11 murderers were college educated and had a decent life.

Reasons to do violence should be stopped... I agree... Sadly in Islam... Their religion is their reason... Islam breaks up the world into war zones and islam land... Islam's goal is to take over the world one way or another.

Infidel is anybody who is not muslim and/or not submitted to islam to be a second class citizen.

You should also note that it's just not America that was attacked... Countries around the world today are fighting muslims and have been attacked by islam.

Belonging is a part of it, no doubt. they want be part of a group that has power, because being poor they had none.

The religion is why they do specifically what they do. get rid of the religion though and many of the opressed will still look for a way to fight out of their problems. And there will always be someone who will look to take advantage of those opressed for their own goals.

Condemning their religion will do nothing to solve the problems with the religion. a War with these people will only strengthen their cause. The only thing that can be done is to embrace them, and listen to the pleas of the opressed among them.

We give them a reason to want to become suicide bombers, we need to fix the problems that turn them to jihad. The religion is a part of it, and there will be those who continue to manipulate the people still in the extremists army after we've tried to help, but to ignore the opressed and allow the extremists to scoop them up and add to their ranks is a mistake that will haunt us.

Those condemning the faith of muslims, do you have any realistic solutions, or are you merely here to whine about this faith, instead of doing something to try and help those who follow this faith?

No, we don't give them any other reason to become bombers other than being born free, outside of the madness of Islam. They hate us for that one reason alone. To think otherwise is just opening yourself up to worse things, the political equivalent of dropping the soap in the prison shower.
Yeah, I got three solutions.
1) Absolute extermination.
2) Try and convert every one of them to something like Buddhism.
3) The silent majority of Muslims, the ones that stand by and watch the bombings now, and are thereby silent accomplices, could stand up and cry with one voice: "This is not our religion!" and help the rest of the world hunt down the Jihadists. But that isn't going to happen, since making war on the infidel is an explicit command of Allah.

And this makes their parents proud.....how sad..

To address your points/solution. 1.) Big mistake! Absolute extermination is impossible. Even effecting a campaign to try, would engender the moderate muslim population inhabiting much of the world, to revolt due to the genocide of their people. Imagine trying then to make your way to work and having IUD's explode on the way. Or a suicide bomber stepping into a Starbucks, when it's packed by pedestrians on their way to work, at morning rush Manhattan.

Ideally, one would take the hydras heads off, in the silence of night. In other words, abduct the radical Imams that engender the radicalism, cut their heads off, off camera of course, and disappear the remains. Every new "head" that appears, then disappears. Without having a body to grieve, the martyrdom is out the window. To have Imam's disappearing all over Iraq and Afghanistan, would then engender a panic because the radicals would have no leadership to turn to.

2.) LOL I appreciate a sense of humor.

3.) We're still waiting for that. In the meantime, perhaps christians, jews and others that disagree with the radicals in their respective faiths, could set the standard. And then perhaps human rights campaigners could campaign for the muslims that don't abide with the terrorists, to stand and say as much. Rather than being intimidated to silence, in hot regions, because they fear being abducted and destroyed by their own people, for having dared.

Bum... I can't get the thing to play on my pooter.

that is what war does to people. we give out kids war toys and teach them to hate as well. we have kids all over the world like this yet you only point out muslims. just shows how myopic you are.

sad that the british video of brit kids beating a muslim kid was taken off google videos. too embaressing.

Deng Ghol was just six years old when he was forced to live with a rebel army in Sudan, Africa after his father was killed and his mother kidnapped. Seven years later, Ghol has been set free and is about to make the transition from battlefield soldier to classroom student.

"I am very happy I am going to have an education. I hope it will help me trace my abducted mother," Ghol said. He is one of more than 2,600 boys between the ages of eight and 18 who have been set free and handed over to the United Nation's Children's Fund (UNICEF). UNICEF is busy moving kids away from battle zones and returning them to their families.


Child soldiers of the rebel Sudanese army get ready to give up their guns.

Kids on the Battlefield
Every day all over the world, children are being used as soldiers. Some carry rifles when they are as young as eight years old. Even though 2,600 child soldiers have just been set free in Sudan, as many as 300,000 more remain in parts of Africa and south Asia.

"If you look here, you will see children in uniform, children who know how to drill, children who are not afraid of handling guns. This is an army; this is no place for a child," said Martin Dawes, a UNICEF spokesman.

Settling Back Into Life
Sudan's main rebel army released the boy soldiers as part of a promise it made to UNICEF last year. The southern rebel army has fought government soldiers in a civil war in the north African country since 1983. UNICEF is now at work trying to help the kid soldiers readjust to society. For some of them, that means reuniting with their families. Others are orphans and need homes. Former soldiers also need schooling and counseling.

"I am happy today, and if my parents were alive, they would be happy to see me getting an education," said Paulina Kwol, a 15-year-old who has fought with the rebel army since he was 10. Carol Bellamy, head of UNICEF, said the U.N. will continue working until there are no more child soldiers left in the world. "Only a global movement can make this stop," she said.

http://www.timeforkids.com/TFK/news/story/...,100948,00.html

That isn't possible. Extremists are like bacteria, all it takes is for a single to survive and that one will produce an entire generation of others; then each of those will do the same.