QUOTE(Barek Halfhand @ Jun 11 2007, 05:19 AM) [snapback]1718240[/snapback]
it's the full version of the one Ms Cyqe has circled.....you may want to ask her........B
I am asking you BF!! I dont see anything dear..
Full Version: an EVP
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I am asking you BF!! I dont see anything dear..
QUOTE(JustNormal @ Jun 11 2007, 12:24 AM) [snapback]1718245[/snapback]
I am asking you BH!! I dont see anything dear..
why are you asking me? ...she circled something I simply added the full version of the picture she circled ...that defeats the whole purpose if I keep helping....remember Mr Halfhand may not always be here .......BHalfhandshuffle:Ministry-Jesus built my hotrod
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RBKTo5K14M
QUOTE(hazzard @ Jun 9 2007, 02:02 AM) [snapback]1715620[/snapback]
EVPs are most likely created by interference from nearby items that emit noise on low-level frequencies, such as CB radios or through cross modulation. This background noise is recorded, and replayed. If something "interesting" is heard, the sound sample is isolated, filtered, enhanced, and otherwise changed as much as necessary in order to make the "interesting" sounds into something vaguely intelligible. And when I say vaguely, boy do I mean it!
Another possible explanation is that people may have used old tapes, knowingly or not, for EVP sessions, and that the voices they hear come from previous recording "bleeding through".
Not even to mention that now that the phenomenon has a number of devoted followers some hoaxers have probably entered the fray.
Additionally, some of the "voices" people believe have been caught on tape are likely fueled by human natures propensity to try to make sense out of random patterns, called pareidolia, in this case, noise. The face on Mars, "the man in the moon" hearing messages on records played in reverse and Electronic Voice Phenomena are examples of pareidolia.
To bad that Meek and ONeil, Spiricom, who promised direct two-way communication with the dead, never made it. How cool would it be to call up my dead grandfather, but then again, this is exactly what keeps this idea of EVP alive.....The -What if.....
Another possible explanation is that people may have used old tapes, knowingly or not, for EVP sessions, and that the voices they hear come from previous recording "bleeding through".
Not even to mention that now that the phenomenon has a number of devoted followers some hoaxers have probably entered the fray.
Additionally, some of the "voices" people believe have been caught on tape are likely fueled by human natures propensity to try to make sense out of random patterns, called pareidolia, in this case, noise. The face on Mars, "the man in the moon" hearing messages on records played in reverse and Electronic Voice Phenomena are examples of pareidolia.
To bad that Meek and ONeil, Spiricom, who promised direct two-way communication with the dead, never made it. How cool would it be to call up my dead grandfather, but then again, this is exactly what keeps this idea of EVP alive.....The -What if.....
Mr Hazzard
Long time no speak ....Hope all's well with you ?.
At this stage i'm wondering if you're on some kind of retainer with Wikipedia and evertime someone looks up pareidolia ...you get a little commission from it
As i have stated before many times with you ....Your arguments against EVP are not valid and can be easily shot down one by one....Including doing experiments with Brand new tapes (a must for any true researcher) , trials being carried out in Faraday cages to eliminate stray transmissions......Decca and PYE Engineers did this in the late 70s or early 80s and captured over 200 voices on a Tape being recorded Inside a Faraday cage.
I have said it before but i will say it again.....If anyone doubts that EVP is not real ....TRY IT YOURSELF .....if you dare
.The "Valid" verifiable research that has been carried out on EVP is very easy to find and a quick google will turn up loads of evidence. I'm not saying here that pareidola and strays dont account for any EVPs ...i'm sure they do . This doesn't negate the fact that EVP is a very real phenomena
Bogey
QUOTE(JustNormal @ Jun 11 2007, 12:22 AM) [snapback]1718243[/snapback]
LOL Not sure why, but I have always called him that..I have a sense there is an F in his real name or I am dyslexic one or the other...You are bad!!! 
oh I thought it was a typo....AND my (fake) initials have been B.F. Halfhand as a homage to a favorite MASH charactor; "B.F. Pierce"......QUOTE(Bogeyman @ Jun 11 2007, 08:07 AM) [snapback]1718574[/snapback]
Mr Hazzard
At this stage I'm wondering if you're on some kind of retainer with Wikipedia and evertime someone looks up pareidolia ...you get a little commission from it ....
Yes another broken record he IS......At this stage I'm wondering if you're on some kind of retainer with Wikipedia and evertime someone looks up pareidolia ...you get a little commission from it ....
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Including doing experiments with Brand new tapes (a must for any true researcher) , trials being carried out in Faraday cages to eliminate stray transmissions......Decca and PYE Engineers did this in the late 70s or early 80s and captured over 200 voices on a Tape being recorded Inside a Faraday cage.
Faraday cages you say?......interesting Bogey, alas I have elected to maintain a low tech example of "do it yourself" paranormal investigator, but it is comforting to know that there is data vailable from controlled experiments such as the ones the Decca & PYE researchers carried out.......B
Here's a good EVP experiment that was carried out by Marcello Bacci in Italy......As far as i know he is still doing this
http://www.worlditc.org/h_01_bacci_special_report.htm
http://www.worlditc.org/h_01_bacci_special_report.htm
QUOTE(JustNormal @ Jun 11 2007, 12:22 AM)
LOL Not sure why, but I have always called him that..I have a sense there is an F in his real name or I am dyslexic one or the other...You are bad!!!
oh I thought it was a typo....AND my (fake) initials have been B.F. Halfhand as a homage to a favorite MASH charactor; "B.F. Pierce"......
Ahhh Ok, I was not aware of your homepage name BF LOL
LOL Not sure why, but I have always called him that..I have a sense there is an F in his real name or I am dyslexic one or the other...You are bad!!!
oh I thought it was a typo....AND my (fake) initials have been B.F. Halfhand as a homage to a favorite MASH charactor; "B.F. Pierce"......
Ahhh Ok, I was not aware of your homepage name BF LOL
Source : Victor Zammit
Controlled experiments rule out stray radio signals
Later Colin Smythe published Voices from the Tapes in which there are four pages of photos showing different participants in Bander's later experiments. These were carried out under the strictest control conditions. On one occasion EVP experiments were conducted in soundproof studios to filter out stray broadcasts. In the space of 27 minutes some 200 voices were received.
Comments from observers quoted in Bander's book include Ken Attwood, Chief Engineer of Pye, who stated:
I have done everything in my power to break the mystery of the voices without success; the same applies to other experts. I suppose we must learn to accept them (Bander 1973:132).
Dr Brendan McGann, Director of the Institute of Psychology Dublin, said:
I have apparently succeeded in reproducing the phenomena. Voices have appeared on a tape which did not come from any known source (Bander 1973:132).
A.P. Hale, Physicist and Electronics Engineer, stated:
In view of the tests carried out in a screened laboratory at my firm, I can not explain what happened in normal physical terms (Bander 1973:132).
Sir Robert Mayer LL.D., D.Sc., Mus.D. concluded:
If the experts are baffled, I consider this is a good enough reason for presenting the Voice Phenomena to the general public (Bander 1973:132).
Ted Bonner of Decca and RTE said:
This is no trick. This is no gimmickry; this is something we have never dreamed of before (Bander 1973:106).
The Pye Laboratory tests conducted by Colin Smythe and Peter Bander prior to the publication of Breakthrough were set up and paid for by the Editor-in-Chief of England's The Sunday Mirror.
Ronald Maxwell, a reporter for The Sunday Mirror, had supervised the tests and had prepared a three page feature article with photographs which was very supportive of them. He was delighted that the electronics experts chosen by the newspaper had verified that the voices were genuine and that no trickery or fraud was employed.
However at the last minute the extremely important article was stopped without explanation by the Editor-in-Chief who refused to have the story in the paper. As Peter Bander put it:
The experiment which had been arranged and paid for by The Sunday Mirror had yielded results which did not please the man at the top (Bander 1973:68).
Maxwell and Cyril Kersh, the features editor, tried again a week later. This time they had collected information and statements from leading scientists including Mr Peter Hale. Again the Editor-in-Chief refused to publish it (Bander 1973:68).[b][/b]
Controlled experiments rule out stray radio signals
Later Colin Smythe published Voices from the Tapes in which there are four pages of photos showing different participants in Bander's later experiments. These were carried out under the strictest control conditions. On one occasion EVP experiments were conducted in soundproof studios to filter out stray broadcasts. In the space of 27 minutes some 200 voices were received.
Comments from observers quoted in Bander's book include Ken Attwood, Chief Engineer of Pye, who stated:
I have done everything in my power to break the mystery of the voices without success; the same applies to other experts. I suppose we must learn to accept them (Bander 1973:132).
Dr Brendan McGann, Director of the Institute of Psychology Dublin, said:
I have apparently succeeded in reproducing the phenomena. Voices have appeared on a tape which did not come from any known source (Bander 1973:132).
A.P. Hale, Physicist and Electronics Engineer, stated:
In view of the tests carried out in a screened laboratory at my firm, I can not explain what happened in normal physical terms (Bander 1973:132).
Sir Robert Mayer LL.D., D.Sc., Mus.D. concluded:
If the experts are baffled, I consider this is a good enough reason for presenting the Voice Phenomena to the general public (Bander 1973:132).
Ted Bonner of Decca and RTE said:
This is no trick. This is no gimmickry; this is something we have never dreamed of before (Bander 1973:106).
The Pye Laboratory tests conducted by Colin Smythe and Peter Bander prior to the publication of Breakthrough were set up and paid for by the Editor-in-Chief of England's The Sunday Mirror.
Ronald Maxwell, a reporter for The Sunday Mirror, had supervised the tests and had prepared a three page feature article with photographs which was very supportive of them. He was delighted that the electronics experts chosen by the newspaper had verified that the voices were genuine and that no trickery or fraud was employed.
However at the last minute the extremely important article was stopped without explanation by the Editor-in-Chief who refused to have the story in the paper. As Peter Bander put it:
The experiment which had been arranged and paid for by The Sunday Mirror had yielded results which did not please the man at the top (Bander 1973:68).
Maxwell and Cyril Kersh, the features editor, tried again a week later. This time they had collected information and statements from leading scientists including Mr Peter Hale. Again the Editor-in-Chief refused to publish it (Bander 1973:68).[b][/b]
thanks Bogey ...I did read the the preceeding link about the Bacci experiments...
the strict labratory conditions outlined in that study are pretty hard to dispute.....I think from now on I will be looking for old valve type radios from the 50s in the antique shops
http://www.worlditc.org/h_01_bacci_special_report.htm
the strict labratory conditions outlined in that study are pretty hard to dispute.....I think from now on I will be looking for old valve type radios from the 50s in the antique shops
http://www.worlditc.org/h_01_bacci_special_report.htm
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A résumé of the acoustic events as perceived from the recorded tape follows:
t = 00 sec Bacci switches off the radio.
Silence.
t = 11 sec The modulated whistles start (sounds similar to those of whip lashes) and the conventional recurrent signal similar to a vortex of air starts to be felt.
t = 21 sec A voice starts to be heard among the whistles.
t = 44 sec The voice finishes but the whistles and the vortex continue to be heard.
t = 50 sec The whistles finish.
t = 56 sec The vortex finishes.
Silence.
t = 109 sec A new vortex starts to be heard.
t = 127 sec Faint male voice in the background that seems to reply to Mario Festa’s comment "Siete grandi!" (You are great!)
t = 140 sec End of vortex and end of contact.
Silence.
t = 00 sec Bacci switches off the radio.
Silence.
t = 11 sec The modulated whistles start (sounds similar to those of whip lashes) and the conventional recurrent signal similar to a vortex of air starts to be felt.
t = 21 sec A voice starts to be heard among the whistles.
t = 44 sec The voice finishes but the whistles and the vortex continue to be heard.
t = 50 sec The whistles finish.
t = 56 sec The vortex finishes.
Silence.
t = 109 sec A new vortex starts to be heard.
t = 127 sec Faint male voice in the background that seems to reply to Mario Festa’s comment "Siete grandi!" (You are great!)
t = 140 sec End of vortex and end of contact.
Silence.
Hey Barek, do you know what else I can use to listen to this with? That will show a 'timer' at the bottom like the videos do? a number count of position within the tape? I hear squawks at the beginning (about 5 secons in) and there is the slightest voice near the end but sounds like someone in another room. I do also here... I dunno... maybe I 'feel'... somekind of 'pulse' or 'thump' through out... could be just your mic and the air against it perhaps...dunno. but would be curious to know what an EVP is?? Is it a type of sound file?
Ack...I see the post before mine where it high lites the numbers but still... I'd like to 'see them roll by' as I listen too if you can tell me what to use other then Quicktime (which is what I think this launched in when I clicked ur link)?
Ack...I see the post before mine where it high lites the numbers but still... I'd like to 'see them roll by' as I listen too if you can tell me what to use other then Quicktime (which is what I think this launched in when I clicked ur link)?
I havent finished reading all these yet nor have I found that image that was mentioned above that someone circled something in...but will finish later. For now, for the sound 'sperts out here...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj-DWJE7Y2Y
Its a wonderful thing to watch anyway, but... pls comment if there's anything new in the static/ or in the tone of the notes that you can hear. I'd love to know. You might have to watch it a few times. I watched it three before I could see anything. I wont say more as I hope to hear what you guys see/hear.
Its a wonderful thing to watch anyway, but... pls comment if there's anything new in the static/ or in the tone of the notes that you can hear. I'd love to know. You might have to watch it a few times. I watched it three before I could see anything. I wont say more as I hope to hear what you guys see/hear.
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