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GoddessWhispers
"The soul is in itself a most lovely and perfect image of God. " St. John of the Cross


Consciousness as God


From Science to God


To many, the statement "I am God" rings of blasphemy. God, according to conventional religion, is the supreme deity, the almighty eternal omniscient creator. How can any lowly human being claim that he or she is God?

When the fourteenth-century Christian priest and mystic Meister Eckhart preached that "God and I are One" he was brought before Pope John XXII and forced to "recant everything that he had falsely taught." Others suffered a worse fate. The tenth-century Islamic mystic al-Hallãj was crucified for using language that claimed an identity with God.

Yet when mystics say "I am God," or words to that effect, they are not talking of an individual person. Their inner explorations have revealed the true nature of the self, and it is this that they identify with God. They are claiming that the essence of self, the sense of "I am" without any personal attributes, is God.

The contemporary scholar and mystic Thomas Merton put it very clearly:

If I penetrate to the depths of my own existence and my own present reality, the indefinable am that is myself in its deepest roots, then through this deep center I pass into the infinite I am which is the very Name of the Almighty.

"I am" is one of the Hebrew names of God, Yahweh. Derived from the Hebrew YHWH, the unspeakable name of God, it is often translated as "I AM THAT I AM."


"I am the infinite deep
In whom all the worlds appear to rise.
Beyond all form, forever still.
So am I. "Ashtavakra Gita



Similar claims appear in Eastern traditions. The great Indian sage Sri Ramana Maharshi said:

"I am" is the name of God… God is none other than the Self.

In the twelfth century, Ibn-Al-Arabi, one of the most revered Sufi mystics, wrote:

If thou knowest thine own self, thou knowest God.

Shankara, the eight-century Indian saint, whose insights revitalized Hindu teachings, said of his own enlightenment:

I am Brahman… I dwell within all beings as the soul, the pure consciousness, the ground of all phenomena... In the days of my ignorance, I used to think of these as being separate from myself. Now I know that I am All.

This sheds new light on the Biblical injunction "Be still, and know that I am God." I do not believe it means:: "Stop fidgeting around and recognize that the person who is speaking to you is the almighty God of all creation." It makes much more sense as an encouragement to still the mind, and know, not as an intellectual understanding but as a direct realization, that the "I am" that is your essential self, the pure consciousness that lies behind all experience, is God.

This concept of God is not of a separate superior being, existing in some other realm, overlooking human affairs and loving or judging us according to our deeds. God is in each and every one of us, the most intimate and undeniable aspect of ourselves. God is the light of consciousness that shines in every mind.

I Am the Truth

Identifying God with the light of consciousness brings new meaning and significance to many traditional descriptions of God.

Whatever is taking place in my mind, whatever I may be thinking, believing, feeling or sensing, the one thing I cannot doubt is consciousness. Consciousness is my only absolute, unquestionable truth. If the faculty of consciousness is God, then God is the truth.

The same applies to other people. The only thing I do not doubt about you is that you are conscious and have your own interior world of experience. I can doubt your physical form–indeed, modern physics tells me there is nothing really there, no material thing, that is. All that I perceive of you is a projection in my mind. I can doubt what you say. I can doubt your thoughts and feelings. But I do not doubt that "in there" is another conscious being like myself.

Like God, consciousness is omnipresent. Whatever our experience, consciousness is always there. It is eternal, everlasting. (Continues)



"When I say "I am," I do not mean a separate entity with a body as its nucleus. I mean the totality of being, the ocean of consciousness, the entire universe of all that is and knows." Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
















mako
HMMM, just as Shadow-Hill puts a little of herself in everything she creates as an artist, it stands to reason that the Creator put a little of himself/herself/itself (we Deists need to come up with a pronoun to cover a non-sexual being) into each of creation...so yes he/she/it is part of all of us. yes.gif
GoddessWhispers
((HUGS)) wub.gif I knew a Deist would appreciate this article.

I think it puts into perspective those that say of themselves, I am goddess , or I am god.
I have met women that call themselves, goddess worshipers, at the pagan gatherings wiccan friends invite me to attend with them, and that is something these ladies say of themselves often. "I am goddess!" An affirmation, that they say helps them connect with the spirit in all the universe. Seeing themselves and everyone, as cells in her great body, of all power.

I certainly can appreciate the feeling they have in something that resonates in such a way. So I thought this topic would be quite fitting in that respect, and maybe will resonate with others as well. original.gif
RadicalGnostic
Right on target with the John of the Cross quote. original.gif

Peace,

RadicalGnostic
RadicalGnostic
QUOTE(mako @ Jun 7 2007, 12:10 PM) [snapback]1713644[/snapback]
(we Deists need to come up with a pronoun to cover a non-sexual being)


Indeed we do. I use Divine Source or Divine Parent...

Peace,

RadicalGnostic
Lt_Ripley
QUOTE(mako @ Jun 7 2007, 03:10 PM) [snapback]1713644[/snapback]
HMMM, just as Shadow-Hill puts a little of herself in everything she creates as an artist, it stands to reason that the Creator put a little of himself/herself/itself (we Deists need to come up with a pronoun to cover a non-sexual being) into each of creation...so yes he/she/it is part of all of us. yes.gif



I suggest either IT or The Big Fig Newton

take your pick.


and I agree we are all IT.

linked-image
Oo-ee, gooey, rich and chewy inside.
Golden, flaky, tender cakey outside.
Wrap the inside in the outside.
Is it good?
Darn Tootin' Doin' the Big FIG NEWTON, the big FIG NEWTON
Mme Mel
The genesis/eden scriptures being quoted lately have god referring to god's-self in the plural. I've seen learned papers mention that "elohim" ought to be plural. And one quote implying that both man and woman were made in the elohim's image. How about "they" for these progenitors?
brave_new_world
The best thread Goddesswhispers has ever posted thumbsup.gif

An excerpt from the same article:

Unlike the God I rejected as a youth, God as the light of consciousness neither conflicts with my scientific leanings, nor does it run counter to my intuition and reason. Indeed, it points toward an ultimate convergence of science and religion. By convergence I mean more than just a reconciliation between two different worldviews. Various people have traced parallels and areas of similarity between science and spirituality–the way that quantum theory, for example, is like some Buddhist, Hindu or Taoist teachings on the nature of reality. Or in the way that Old Testament teachings seem to predict recent scientific discoveries. These resemblances are certainly intriguing, but I believe we are heading toward a far more profound convergence–a true synthesis of the two in a single, all-embracing worldview.

GoddessWhispers
QUOTE(brave_new_world @ Jun 9 2007, 11:23 AM) [snapback]1715760[/snapback]
The best thread Goddesswhispers has ever posted thumbsup.gif

Wait!
It's early, yet! tongue.gif

And thanks Ripley! I'll have weird visuals for quite awhile, next time someone mentions god or "it". laugh.gif Figgy, baby!

brave_new_world
QUOTE(Lt_Ripley @ Jun 9 2007, 04:59 AM) [snapback]1715334[/snapback]
I suggest either IT or The Big Fig Newton

take your pick.
and I agree we are all IT.

linked-image
Oo-ee, gooey, rich and chewy inside.
Golden, flaky, tender cakey outside.
Wrap the inside in the outside.
Is it good?
Darn Tootin' Doin' the Big FIG NEWTON, the big FIG NEWTON


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THAT BIG FIG IS SO FUNNY!@! "HI I'M BIG FIG!" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA WELL IF GOD IS ALL THAN GOD IS CERTAINLY BIG FIG!@!
M.A.D
didn't jesus say we must find the man and woman in our selfs in order to reach god our father?
lava
QUOTE(GoddessWhispers @ Jun 7 2007, 07:03 PM) [snapback]1713628[/snapback]
"The soul is in itself a most lovely and perfect image of God. " St. John of the Cross


Consciousness as God


From Science to God
To many, the statement "I am God" rings of blasphemy. God, according to conventional religion, is the supreme deity, the almighty eternal omniscient creator. How can any lowly human being claim that he or she is God?

When the fourteenth-century Christian priest and mystic Meister Eckhart preached that "God and I are One" he was brought before Pope John XXII and forced to "recant everything that he had falsely taught." Others suffered a worse fate. The tenth-century Islamic mystic al-Hallãj was crucified for using language that claimed an identity with God.

Yet when mystics say "I am God," or words to that effect, they are not talking of an individual person. Their inner explorations have revealed the true nature of the self, and it is this that they identify with God. They are claiming that the essence of self, the sense of "I am" without any personal attributes, is God.

The contemporary scholar and mystic Thomas Merton put it very clearly:

If I penetrate to the depths of my own existence and my own present reality, the indefinable am that is myself in its deepest roots, then through this deep center I pass into the infinite I am which is the very Name of the Almighty.

"I am" is one of the Hebrew names of God, Yahweh. Derived from the Hebrew YHWH, the unspeakable name of God, it is often translated as "I AM THAT I AM."
"I am the infinite deep
In whom all the worlds appear to rise.
Beyond all form, forever still.
So am I. "Ashtavakra Gita



Similar claims appear in Eastern traditions. The great Indian sage Sri Ramana Maharshi said:

"I am" is the name of God… God is none other than the Self.

In the twelfth century, Ibn-Al-Arabi, one of the most revered Sufi mystics, wrote:

If thou knowest thine own self, thou knowest God.

Shankara, the eight-century Indian saint, whose insights revitalized Hindu teachings, said of his own enlightenment:

I am Brahman… I dwell within all beings as the soul, the pure consciousness, the ground of all phenomena... In the days of my ignorance, I used to think of these as being separate from myself. Now I know that I am All.

This sheds new light on the Biblical injunction "Be still, and know that I am God." I do not believe it means:: "Stop fidgeting around and recognize that the person who is speaking to you is the almighty God of all creation." It makes much more sense as an encouragement to still the mind, and know, not as an intellectual understanding but as a direct realization, that the "I am" that is your essential self, the pure consciousness that lies behind all experience, is God.

This concept of God is not of a separate superior being, existing in some other realm, overlooking human affairs and loving or judging us according to our deeds. God is in each and every one of us, the most intimate and undeniable aspect of ourselves. God is the light of consciousness that shines in every mind.

I Am the Truth

Identifying God with the light of consciousness brings new meaning and significance to many traditional descriptions of God.

Whatever is taking place in my mind, whatever I may be thinking, believing, feeling or sensing, the one thing I cannot doubt is consciousness. Consciousness is my only absolute, unquestionable truth. If the faculty of consciousness is God, then God is the truth.

The same applies to other people. The only thing I do not doubt about you is that you are conscious and have your own interior world of experience. I can doubt your physical form–indeed, modern physics tells me there is nothing really there, no material thing, that is. All that I perceive of you is a projection in my mind. I can doubt what you say. I can doubt your thoughts and feelings. But I do not doubt that "in there" is another conscious being like myself.

Like God, consciousness is omnipresent. Whatever our experience, consciousness is always there. It is eternal, everlasting. (Continues)
"When I say "I am," I do not mean a separate entity with a body as its nucleus. I mean the totality of being, the ocean of consciousness, the entire universe of all that is and knows." Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj



hay

Muhyiddin Ibn Arabi is one of the greatest savant in Islamic history. Since you mentioned his name and what he said about self, i'd like to make one point clear.

in the heart of ego/self, there are 19 vices. in Islam, therefor in Sufism, people spend their lifetime to purify their egos. to purifying ego kinda means making those vices turn into virtues. cos once they start to become lighter -from absolute dark- they turn into their opposites. Tasavvuf (practise of Islam) gives certain teachings to do that.

purifying the ego has levels. it is like steps taking ego to a lighter state in time. when it is completely purified then knowing it is knowing who created you.
so, if someone believes he knows Almighty before he go through this --lifetime process-- he would be fooling himself. that would be his ego (of vices) telling that he knows the Creator. yet it is not possible to know it if person still has vices like hate, jealousy, ignorance....etc

Ibn-Arabi did purified his ego. therefor he was selfless, which means he didnot have freewill anymore. therefor he knew the creator cos he acted under the command of divinewill.




i like the way you feel. but this could be a tricky point because we still have egos.
i hope i made my point clear without making people offended. if i did, please forgive me. it is not what i am wishing for.

thank you for your time



boorite
Alan Watts called it "the supreme identity."
Leonardo
Each of us is a being. To presume that we are all, at our core, one being is simply to replace our self-evidence with an illusion. Be happy being and dream not dreams of godhead but live to experience through being.

I will admit, it is a wonderful illusion, the dream of this communion of being, but for me, happiness is in simply being myself. I am not god and would not wish to be, for then I would not be.

Yes, I'm feeling a bit philosophical today tongue.gif
GoddessWhispers
We would never have noticed that Leo. tongue.gif Glad you let it all out in this thread though. Very nice. original.gif

And no offense here Lava, I appreciate your adding to the thread the insight of ego and the steps of it's purification , in this way. It always helps when someone knows the subject personally, to add to it's content in that way. It makes it more real than a simple copy/paste sharing of an article in itself, which is used simply to afford a new topic for discussion. I thank you very much for taking the time. original.gif
Inner Space
QUOTE(GoddessWhispers @ Jun 7 2007, 03:03 PM) [snapback]1713628[/snapback]
[b]"The soul is in itself a most lovely and perfect image of God. " St. John of the Cross


This sheds new light on the Biblical injunction "Be still, and know that I am God." I do not believe it means:: "Stop fidgeting around and recognize that the person who is speaking to you is the almighty God of all creation." It makes much more sense as an encouragement to still the mind, and know, not as an intellectual understanding but as a direct realization, that the "I am" that is your essential self, the pure consciousness that lies behind all experience, is God.

This concept of God is not of a separate superior being, existing in some other realm, overlooking human affairs and loving or judging us according to our deeds. God is in each and every one of us, the most intimate and undeniable aspect of ourselves. God is the light of consciousness that shines in every mind.


Awesome thread GW, simply awesome!!!
GoddessWhispers
It was my privilege, IS. I am glad that it spoke to you. original.gif



(A sharing from Sri Chinmoy wub.gif )





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Be Happy

Be happy!
You will grow into God’s greatest blessing, His highest pride.

Be happy!



Yesterday’s world wants you to enjoy its surrendering breath.
Today’s world wants you to enjoy its surrendered breath.
Tomorrow’s world wants you to enjoy its fulfilling breath.


Be happy!
Be happy in the morning with what you have.
Be happy in the evening with what you are.

Be happy!


Do not complain. Who complains? The blind beggar in you.
When you complain, you dance in the mire of ignorance.
When you do not complain, all conditions of the world are at your feet,
and God gives you a new name: aspiration.
Aspiration is the supreme wealth in the world of light and delight.



Be happy!

Do you want never to be poor? Then be happy.
Do you want ever to be great? Then be happy.


Be happy!
You will get what you like most.
You will get what you like best.


Be happy!
God sees in you His aspiring creation.
His transforming realization, His illumining revelation,
and His fulfilling manifestation.


Be happy!


Be happy!



God sees in you another God.
God sees you as another God.
God sees you and Him as one.


Sri Chinmoy



Realisation By:Sri Chinmoy
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