But is your name there in the Year Book - w/no picture?
......... See like you I didn't either. But my name IS in the year books, w/the exception of Community College.
Plus do you have friends that remember you there?
Plus do you have teachers that remember you there?

See Robert Lazar has no friends from or even classmates that remember him - or any teachers. This is in itself just a 'tad strange'.

Plus M.I.T. graduates have Published Works as part of their graduation requirements. I've checked this out rather carefully w/some friends that DID attend M.I.T.

So as a friend says, "The math isn't adding up." - Then you have his Area 51 walk out w/Element 115. This too is pure fabrication and obvious lie.

Then you have REAL scientists that listen to him and go, "Wtf is he talking about? He's not even 1/2 right, let alone 1/4 right!"

All we have to go on is a W-2 form for $900.00 and a fake ID badge to 'validate' his 'story'. That's all.

PS: TENKAY -
I've written an e-mail to the paper that you listed asking if indeed they verified Robert Lazars job and title or did they just 'take his word for it'? I would suggest that you do exactly the same thing.
It's a very safe bet, after talking w/a friend of mine that is a reporter for a local News Radio Station - that they didn't check him out. They simply took his word for it.
But please - e-mail and/or write the newspaper and find out also.

to add my two cents to the year book deal. out of 12 years of schooling i'm only in one yearbook which was my first grade class after that i'm not in any yearbooks and there is no listing of my name in any yearbook after period. no name with out a picture. i hated to get my pic made so i can belive that part of it. not saying i belive ol bob but i can see how he wouldn't be in a year book because there were a lot of kids in my classes that did the same thing i did. just my two cents

Bob "Lazer" doesn't remember what year he graduated M.I.T.
Let me repeat that: he worked for 2-3 years to get an advanced degree from an Ivy League school and COULDN'T EVEN REMEMBER WHEN IT HAPPENED.

--Jaylemurph

Three words.... Money making scheme

All those things that's said "There's no record of him at this school" then "They tried to wipe me from the earth " is BS. His just trying to convince people into his crap. He really is a fake

as i said before lazar could be lying, but people talk about lazar as a fraud with much conviction and their facts really arent that solid.just because somebody dosent show up as being listed as going to a certain school dosent cut it with me. most of all you guys information comes from STAN FRIEDMAN and let me tell you whats odd about Friedman, one minute Friedman claims he's a physicist/ufologist which i'm not denying, but on the other hand he goes out of his way to try debunk anybody who comes out with information saying that they were on a government project or actually worked for the government, he's done it with about 4 people that i know of, he did it with philip corso and it sounded ridicolous the main argument that he used against corso was how eisenhower didnt like corso that much so why would he get the clerance to do this and that. see JJBREEN you said Then you have REAL scientists that listen to him and go, "Wtf is he talking about? He's not even 1/2 right, let alone 1/4 right!" and Friedman is that scientist your talking about, im not 100% sure that he has afflications with the government but its pretty likely he's a smoke n mirrors guy, and rikitiki said that friedman worked at serveral military industrial complexs which i didnt know myself, i just knew the guy goes out of his way to try to debunk serveral people

they denied lazar ever working at los alamos until former employees that worked their said they remeber lazar, then they admitted that he did work at los alamos, whats their too hide? see im not a naive guy, but its certain things about lazar thats just too hard to explain away. im not by any means a physicist, but its also odd that german physcist who saw a tape of lazar support his theorys about the propulsion system of flying saucers.

lazar isnt very popular now but there was a time when this guy talked way to much not to know a little something.

Well Tenkay - I wish you the best of luck w/your interest in Robert Lazar.

I leave this thread with this:

"Who is the bigger fool, the fool or the one following the fool?" Obi-wan to Han Solo.

jibreen! U a starwars fan then???

Umm - maybe that would make a great Unexplained Mystery Topic! LOL!!

I guess that counts out primary school lectures.

But the fact that extraterrestrials have manipulated our DNA is a remote possibility ...

rofl...

Sorry Emma couldn't resist that one

Bob Lazar is a joke.

A real physicist, Dr. David Morgan, takes a look at some of Lazar claims and his element 115.

http://www.theufoportal.com/frame.asp?url=...s=Ufo&s=Ufo

Bobs saucer is going nowhere...

Dont be putting down starwars!!!!! Unless you want to make it personal! lol

Yeah I remember that W-2 form. The fact is no one really knows. He very well could have worked at area 51.

Friedman likes to say there is no record of him at collage. well records are very easy to remove. He may not have finished and still went on to work. A friend of mine was working for years at Fords in the design dept. having gotten her degree from the art school I went too . I thought she had graduated. Come to find out she didn't and it could have cost her her job ( Fords let her finish) But I know plenty of people who never finished their educations in lieu of job offers that were too good to pass up.

The main problem with Mr. Lazar still stands...his basic knowledge of physics is lacking. Take a look here at an analysis of Lazar's claims by Dr. David Morgan (PhD in Physics):

If true and this Bob Bazzar turns out to be one of these fraudulent ass holes and i'm certain theres quite a few of them out there pumping out disinformation, can only be making it harder and harder for the 'genuine scientists/researchers' when they try go public.

I have to admit though when looking at it closer in some his interviews he does kind of have that smirky smart ass so long as i'm talking the talk/walking the walk and making a sh*t loads of money from my bullsh*t & the suckers out there are buying it look on his face.

Bazzar

Wow, you really do have a very creative way with words...I would've just said that he looked like a con man.

Your description gets the point across much better though!

Thanks Lilly.

Emma pretty much hit the bullseye about him...although i'm not quite sure about that school kid remark.

Well, I'm damned!

Husband and wife, huh? Two peas in a pod...

I must say I consider that a compliment! Lil's a hell of a smart gal (I can't keep up with her...)!

You know, I'm surprized that Jj hasn't jumped all over this one!

A---------B A B Y....!?


Let's see, what'd she say....



A couple beers, or some of that Merlot! (well, on second thought, we'll stay away from the merlot, given the intimation associated with that....egad!)...but yes, I think we're both probably from that "old school"...shouldn't be "old school", actually...I should hope that a strongly founded scientifically saturated educational experience would provide capabilities in rational, critical thought that could cut through alot of the baloney that is put forth...even today.

I'm may be kidding myself...but a little beer helps with the process too (always helped me)!!! She's right. We've never met...but it'd be a hoot. I'd have to have Jj along...so we could get him drunk and have fun with him!!!

(p.s....I'll take my meds, Jj!)

Not only that, but apparently psyche101 is our progeny (BTW, he never got me a Mother's Day gift...anything for Father's Day MID?). He must have "sprung full blown" from one of those bottles of Merlot...I recall neither the delivery nor the conception!

Frankly, all this makes about as much sense as Mr. Lazar's physics...must be true then!

I saw the video, I think he maybe telling the truth. I have been trained to tell if a person lies. It has to do with eyes. If a person shifts their eyes as you look at them (your perspective) to the right and down as they answer a question (which is to their left) they are telling the truth. If they shift their eyes to left and down as you look at them they are lying (which is their right). I may have it backward, its been so long since I learned of this but is easy to test. From what I can tell Lazar is telling the truth. I could be wrong, he maybe a good at lying but unless he knows the technique I believe he is telling the truth and even then it would be hard to deceive anyone as it would take a lot of mental concentration to do it to deceive. In the interview he seemed relaxed and answered all question with his eyes shifting to the right and down as one looks toward him which means he was telling the truth totally.

That was so not a put down.

I'm not trained to scope out human deception or behavioral patterns Essene, so i can't comment too much on that, but good points.
Although the eyes did look very shifty.
But it's that cheeky smirk he has on his face when he talks, kind of of gives him that just humped the neighbour's cat look.
As i said at the start of the thread i havn't seen much of him, maybe two or three interviews.

Not a thing for Father's Day...

But I don't recall anything either pertaining to conception or delivery or any of that. I can't believe the wine had anything to do with it, though.
Maybe it was an alien implant thing. Maybe we were abducted, so naturally, we don't remember anything about it...???

He kinda looks like Bill Gates, you know the dwebe look. I saw the video and I knew right away he was not lying as I was watching it. I think I have some info on him someplace, I will have to find it and share with you guys and dolls.

If he's not lying, he has some serious psychological needs.

--Jaylemurph

You could be right, but then again until you have proof he is a nut case that don't matter. This is a typical ploy by some to discredit a person (call him a nut and no one will believe him). Just because he states something that is to fantastic to believe don't mean he is crazy. His name did show up in a phone book that the TV news people found gives some credence to his story that he did work at the place he said he saw these things and they still deny he never worked there. Can you say conspiracy? I knew you could!!!

Actually it usually does. Lazar has never given any credible information. Smoke and mirrors.

Perhaps calling him crazy is a bit unfair.
Bob "Lazer" discredits himself with his ignorance of actual physics and lame attempts at having an Ivy League degree.
These far outweigh his claim he was a government physicist.
No need to involve conspiracies or evil government tactics.

--Jaylemurph

This guy Morgan who puts down Lazar states he knows what gravity is (nobody absolutely knows what gravity is, its all theory). " There are currently two main theories about gravity. The "wave" theory which states that gravity is a wave, and the other is a theory which includes "gravitons", which are alleged sub-atomic particles which perform as gravity, which by the way, is total nonsense.

These statements by Lazar are "total nonsense". There is only ONE currently accepted theory of gravity: General Relativity. In GR, gravity is described as a distortion of spacetime, not as a particle or a wave. There are phenomena known as "gravitational waves" which exist in GR, but this does not seem to be what Lazar is talking about. Lazar says that gravity IS a wave. It isn’t a wave. The "gravitons" which he speaks of are a feature of QUANTUM gravitational theories, and I think they require a little explanation.////"
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Graviton
Composition: Elementary particle
Interaction: Gravity
Status: Hypothetical
Mass: 0
Mean lifetime: Stable
Electric charge: 0
Spin: 2

In physics, the graviton is a hypothetical elementary particle that mediates the force of gravity in the framework of quantum field theory. If it exists, the graviton must be massless (because the gravitational force has unlimited range) and must have a spin of 2 (because gravity is a second-rank tensor field).

Gravitons are postulated because of the great success of the quantum field theory (in particular, the Standard Model) at modeling the behavior of all other forces of nature with similar particles: electromagnetism with the photon, the strong interaction with the gluons, and the weak interaction with the W and Z bosons. In this framework, the gravitational interaction is mediated by gravitons, instead of being described in terms of curved spacetime like in general relativity. In the classical limit, both approaches give identical results, including Newton's law of gravitation.[1][2][3]

However, attempts to extend the Standard Model with gravitons run into serious theoretical difficulties at high energies (processes with energies close to or above the Planck scale) because of infinities arising due to quantum effects (in technical terms, gravitation is nonrenormalizable.) Some proposed theories of quantum gravity (in particular, string theory) address this issue. In string theory, gravitons (as well as the other particles) are states of strings rather than point particles, and then the infinities do not appear, while the low-energy behavior can still be approximated by a quantum field theory of point particles. In that case, the description in terms of gravitons serves as a low-energy effective theory.

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1 Gravitons and models of quantum gravity
2 Gravitons and experiments
3 Is gravity like the other forces?
4 See also
5 References



[edit] Gravitons and models of quantum gravity
When describing graviton interactions, the classical theory (i.e. the tree diagrams) and semiclassical corrections (one-loop diagrams) behave normally, but Feynman diagrams with two (or more) loops lead to ultraviolet divergences; that is, infinite results that cannot be removed because the quantized general relativity is not renormalizable, unlike quantum electrodynamics. In popular terms, the discreteness of quantum theory is not compatible with the smoothness of Einstein's general relativity. These problems, together with some conceptual puzzles, led many physicists to believe that a theory more complete than just general relativity must regulate the behavior near the Planck scale. Superstring theory finally emerged as the most promising solution; it is the only known theory with finite corrections to graviton scattering at all orders.

String theory predicts the existence of gravitons and their well-defined interactions which represents one of its most important triumphs. A graviton in perturbative string theory is a closed string in a very particular low-energy vibrational state. The scattering of gravitons in string theory can also be computed from the correlation functions in conformal field theory, as dictated by the AdS/CFT correspondence, or from Matrix theory.

An interesting feature of gravitons in string theory is that, as closed strings without endpoints, they would not be bound to branes and could move freely between them. If we live on a brane (as hypothesized by some theorists) this "leakage" of gravitons from the brane into higher-dimensional space could explain why gravity is such a weak force, and gravitons from other branes adjacent to our own could provide a potential explanation for dark matter. See brane cosmology for more details.

Some proposed quantum theories of gravity do not predict a graviton.


[edit] Gravitons and experiments
Detecting a graviton, if it exists, will prove rather problematic. Because the gravitational force is so incredibly weak, it is only recently that experiments to verify directly the existence of gravitational waves could even have been conceived. Gravitational waves may be viewed as coherent states of many gravitons, much like the electromagnetic waves are coherent states of photons; finding gravitons will thus be comparable to finding individual photons. Meanwhile, projects that should find the gravitational waves, such as LIGO and VIRGO, have only been running for a few years (as of 2007).


[edit] Is gravity like the other forces?
Some question the analogy which motivates the introduction of the graviton. Unlike the other forces, gravitation plays a special role in general relativity in defining the spacetime in which events take place. Because it does not depend on a particular spacetime background, general relativity is said to be background independent. In contrast, the Standard Model is not background independent. In other words, general relativity and the standard model are incompatible. A theory of quantum gravity is needed in order to reconcile these differences. Whether this theory should itself be background independent, or whether the background independence of general relativity arises as an emergent property is an open question. The answer to this question will determine whether gravity plays a "special role" in this underlying theory similar to its role in general relativity
Here is Lazars theory: http://www.grantchronicles.com/lazar.htm //// Here is a good link to study: http://amasci.com/freenrg/tors/

I know what gravity is. There are simple proofs for it.
If you're going to refuse to belief basic principals of science, then I don't think we have much to actively discuss.

--Jaylemurph

Actually, quite a bit is known about gravity. Yes, there's likely quite a bit more we don't yet know. However, this is not to imply that we know *nothing* simply because we don't know *everything*.

Einstein on gravity: "the more remote the body the less the gravity"; "the gravitation between two bodies is proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them"; "gravitation cannot be held responsible for people falling in love."

Apparently, Dr. Einstein had a sense of humor too.

This is the point I find at times, Lilly truly strange. Some people will try to work around the realities of gravity w/catch words - theory, hypothesis and once, we really do not understand it at all.

Which when I read these I go, HUH? For a people that really do not understand this at all - we really have some fantastic math to use it to the fullest w/our space program in slingshots and such of our satilites and robots. Amazing the exactness this math works w/something that we do not fully understand!

Cool, you know about gravity. What is the speed of gravity? Is it instantaneous or less. Speed of light by chance? Less than the speed of light? I would appreciate your opinion.

Yes, there are certainly aspects of gravity that are a bit *mysterious*.

Here's a really cool link to the Astronomy Cafe's site all about gravity...enjoy!

Great link, thanks. But I still don't know what the speed of magnetic's/ gravity is. Any educated guess of the speed? I know, that's a tough one right? Ok, here is one maybe someone can answer. What is the field that emanates from a magnet vs gravity, are they the same? Also, could it be that a living cell has magnetic properties and have a coherence with other cells instantaneously? Just curious on any input here on that subject.

Ok, I'll give this a shot.

What is the speed of gravity?

So far it appears that Einstein may be correct on this one, read here. However, there are many who dispute these findings (that's how it works in science).

Is gravity and magnetism the same thing?

No, gravity and magnetism aren't the same force, they are different, separate forces. Gravity acts between any two objects with mass regardless of what they are made of. Magnetism depends on specific properties of the objects involved, it depends on what is going on with the electrons composing the material in question.

Do living cells have magnetic properties?

Well, sort of (if I understand what you're getting at here). See this link for some interesting research.

Cool links Lilly.

Which gave me the idea that to make himself sound like he knows what he's talking about, all Bazar had to do is educate himself online and he's ready to rock'n roll(hence the missing credentials)


Just a thought.

Frankly, I think Mr. Lazar could have made his story a bit more believable by studying up on his physics. Also, he might have seemed more credible if he said that he was 'shown the door' at Area 51 before the scientists told him their conclusions about the "alien flying saucers" propulsion method. Instead, he tried to look like he knew all sorts of stuff by BSing the physics and telling a good story. The guy has *con artist* written all over him.

Wouldn’t the government have ‘disappeared’ this guy long ago, if he was the real deal? Just wondering

Umm, yes - he would have been put into JAIL - no questions asked. IF he did indeed to the things he so claimed, he would have violated so many security protocols it's not even funny.

If the government had put him in jail, all that he stated would be known as true so what they did was discredit him so no one would believe him. Here is another nut job (most will think) but check this out. John Searl. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-O7WNvKSvY...ted&search= http://www.opensourceenergy.org/_layouts/a...yer2.asp?vID=24

Im sorry but i just HAD to chime in on this one:You a HUMAN,living in this primitive world,where electricty was just taking off a hundred years ago,where THESE computers(!)now claim to be so advanced.You HUMAN,are trying to say YOU have the answers for harnising gravity waves?So when bob lazar says it,it dosent sound like your HUMAN interpretation of how things SHOULD work.(funny,i see the space program still popping off rockets,huh?)If your Human brain COULD figure it out,why would they need reverse engineering anyway?And discredidting a guy you know nothing of...well,let me say this:He is lucky to be alive for blabbing about stuff he took an oath to NEVER tell.Bob was never a hack,NEVER.When someone sets out to destroy your reputation,it dosent take much,not if your the govt.Not that bobs here to defend himself,but he is still working in the science field,and does indeed keep a low profile.I know i would.I believe he is still at www.unitednuclear.com possibly reading this thread...lolClick to view attachment

Oh, oh, oh!

I can play the picture game, too!



Oh noes!
They're coming to take me away.

--Jaylemurph

Oh no...more of the "foolish primitive humans" *stuff*.

Please click.

Hey Lilly, the quote from link sounds like something that would come straight out of the bible according to L. Ron Hubbard.

I agree with this posters view. Most in this forum are way to skeptical, it reminds me of the inquisition of the past. If one speaks out and god forgive them, they will be burned at the stake. Its the same here in a manner of speaking, people are being verbally burned at the stake because what they think is not what the doctrine states. Anything out of the norm is heresy to most here. Look outside the box your in and most of you MAY learn a bit more. Till you test the theories for your self, you really don't know the truth. Oh but of course government doctrine is always right. <cough cough, bulchit>.

Balderdash! You're just as free to post your opinion here as others are to post theirs. I seriously doubt that any inquisitors will show up at your house and carry you off to a dungeon to spend the night on the rack! However, be advised that if you choose to say that this or that is "factual" or "scientifically supported", then you're correct that there are those here who will call on you to show the irrefutable evidence in support of your claims. This is generally known as rationally discussing a topic.



What? The topics being covered here are without a doubt "out of the norm". As for looking outside of the box and learning something...once again, show me the definitive evidence of something, even something considered *way out there*, and I'll be more than glad to change my opinion. As an empiricist this is exactly how I function. Example: when I first heard of Bob Lazar I concsidered his claims to be quite possible (actually I was rather excited by the possibility that he was genuine). However, as more and more came out (especially his interview containing his *creative* physics) I came to the conclusion that he was not genuine. I arrived at this conclusion by thinking for myself. No one, not the government, not even my friends or family told me what to think. Frankly, even if anyone did try and tell me what to think they'd be hard pressed (snowball in Hell) to carry it through!

It's actually becoming quite sad how many people, when given thoughts that don't agree, how easily they become offended and start the name calling and such. Debate the issues and questions, not the person character that is aksing them! There are so many flaws in Robert Lazar story that the best they can come up with is:

1 and only 1 W-2 form for $900.00. <--- that it!
A newspaper article that more then likely didn't check out his credintials because they didn't see then, the need to.
A bogus ID badge.
A listing in the Los Alamos Directory <-- which by the way, to my knowledge, has never been made public. (I could be wrong - but I've never seen it posted anywhere.)

That's it... no character references, no M.I.T. teachers or fellow students that he went to class with. There are transcripts, but nothing of note worthyness - except valid confirmation that he didn't even have the min. G.P.A. to get into M.I.T. <-- think about that. There is no record of him going to M.I.T. because he didn't, because he didn't have the min. G.P.A. to get in! When you look at the basic facts w/just some solid - Common Sense, Critical Thinking Skills - his claim simply doesn't add up.

Then you get people that ARE in the know of what Robert Lazar tries to talk about - they laugh at him.

There is nothing credible about this guy, nothing.

Then there are no Published Papers from his supposed time at M.I.T. <-- this is no small missing matter. NO - the government could NOT make these "ALL just vanish". They would have to recall every periodical out there: Public Library, Professional Libraries, Private Libraries and so on. You do not rationally think this would NOT be noticed or draw attention. All publications that had "Robert Lazar's Name on it" would not create a "RED FLAG" for a lot of people? Really come on, be real!

We could even address how bogus his claim that he "just walked out of Area 51 w/some "element 115"", this is pure fantasy on his part. Would some easily believe him if he walked out of Fort Knox w/a bar or two of gold?

Well,gee,with all your "facts"and your "credintials",and your endless supply of "information"all of wich is more then "official"I cant see how anyone who dosent see things your way could ever get a fair shake.(screw fair,who needs it.)

So ok - address any and all of my points about Robert Lazar's claim.

Show me in my points where there are 'flaws' - or where you can rationalize them away with some valid logic. Please, I welcome it.