a while back their was a topic started and some how BOB LEZAR was mentioned, several people went on to say how LEZAR was a phony without giving any detail. so my question is to you all who say he's a phony how do you know? he had a w-2 form from the department of naval intelligence how did he get that?

Just going by the few interviews i've seen the man, if he's phony...then he's one of the most convincing bullsh*t artists i've seen.

Bob Lazar on Area 51

I watched a documentary in which he was interviewed sometime back. The reporter went on to say that after checking out Bob Lazars credentials by calling previous Universities he had studied at and places he had worked, nobody had ever heard of him. When confronted with this, Bob said "they are trying to erase my history, and make me into a non-person" (or words to that effect)

Here's Stanton Friedman's take on Bob Lazar. Now, Stanton Friedman actually is a physicist and due to his education can readily see Mr. Lazar's rather copious short comings (ie, he doesn't know what he's talking about physics-wise).

Also, at the end of Mr. Friedman's statement there's a link to a critique of Mr. Lazar's "physics" by Dr. David Morgan. I have to agree with Stanton Friedman and Dr. Morgan on this one...Lazar's claims are BUNK.

whu is bob lazer?

no...please not another bob lazar thread...

no seriously now who is bob lazer???

Read this link.

I havn't gone completely through the the links, but i'm a little familiar with this Friedman character. Let say he's correct & Lazar is a big time fraud...

Correct me if i'm wrong here but arn't they basically working towards the same cause, to expose this whole UFO phenomenon to the world?

some say friedman wants to cover it up?..lazar is a lawn boy i think...he just wants to be left alone...

Well, I get the impression that Mr. Friedman is sincerely trying to expose what he sees as UFO reality. Although I don't always agree with everything Mr. Friedman thinks, I have respect for his position. As for Mr. Lazar, I suspect he was simply out for his 15 minutes of fame. When you look closely at Lazar it flat out screams *con man*.

thanks lilly now i know what there talking about.

this thread should be closed...there are huge bob lazar; spelling correct... threads available...he's just a waste of time and a debunkers delight..

Robert Lazar is the Believers worst nightmare. I don't know one believer that does not wish "He never happened!" He has done no small damage 'to the cause'.
I agree w/Unlimited on this one - not so much to close the thread - but it should be combined w/the other Bob Lazar recent thread.

BTW: Unexplained Mysteries has a wonderful feature: SEARCH: --- Use it to SEARCH: ROBERT LAZAR or BOB LAZAR. I am POSITIVE you will come up w/enough posts to cure your insomnia!

The only problem with that is, with newer folks, the OLD threads don't give them a chance to discuss it. If they do post on the older threads, they are accused of 'threadromancy'. If they post new topics, so they can discuss it as well, they are told to read the old ones.

It doesn't seem quite fair to expect everyone to be familar with the topics that have been around for a while.

mabee you should ask them http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/19/pg1/srtpages

are there still belivers in E.T ?

Stan Friedman trys to debunk everybody, i think his on somebody's payroll, he tried the same thing with Philip Corso and it sounded rediciolous. Friedman talks about LOS ALAMOS national labortory having no record of LAZAR but a 1982 phone book had lazar listed as a physict? Friedman says the schools lazar claimed to have attended have no record of lazar? so los alamos is hiring guys off the street? because lazar was listed as a los alamos physcit in the 80s now he's not, you do the math

Better to do the physics. Regardless of what anyone thinks about the guy, Mr. Lazar's physics simply don't stand up to scientific scrutiny.

As I have stated before in another thread of the CON-Robert Lazar. Being in the Phone Directory of Los Alamos means nothing. I have a friend in Nevada that has a Light Bulb supply Company. He is in the current Los Alamos Directory. He doesn't work there - he simply supplies some specialty bubls that they need. Yet you will find him in their directory. So I guess that pretty much shoots that down, now doesn't it?
See here is the problem w/ Robert Lazar:

A. He claimed he went to M.I.T.
Yet there is zero record of him ever attending there.
Yet and this is the strangest of all: Robert Lazar doesn't remember when he graduated from there!
Yet he NEVER had the GPA to meet M.I.T. standard for going there!
Yet there are zero Year Books w/him in it!
Yet there are zero Science Papers published by him. <-- This is important.
So put those ALL together and well - 'sounds like a lie to me.;

Do I really need to go on? I can also give clear LOGIC as to how he NEVER worked at Area 51 as well.....

So you shoot down M.I.T. - you shoot down Area 51 - Shot down Los Alamos - what's left:
Robert Lazar is a liar that was trying to make/get some attention. It backfired and now he wants to be left alone! For clear reasons - he even knows he's been busted!

Dude just use some basic Analytical Investigative Reasoning Skills....

good work, so explain why LEZAR was in the newspaper as being physcist when they interviewd him in the 80s? explain that one!

Um LOL! U R kidding - right? Please tell me U R not serious in asking this.....? <-- Yes I'm serious about that.

no im not kidding, why did they have an interview with lezar BEFORE HE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS STUFF in 1982 where it says he was a los alamos psychist?

Well, first of all, his name is LazAr.

I'm not sure who LAZER is or his position in ufology, but he has a groovy, space-age name.

--Jaylemurph

Please get me the name of the newspaper. I am going to e-mail them and ask if they actually checked his credentials, or just took "his word for it."

I have already addressed the Los Alamos Directory - A friend who lives in Los Vegas sells them Light Bulbs and he is in th directory. I guess he too could claim to be Physics Major. I mean he's in the directory, right! That's the logic that is being presented.

He certainly did NOT graduate from M.I.T., as he claimed. <-- First major lie.
He did not take Element 115 from Area 51. <-- Second big lie.

So with just those two right there - why is he even to be believed???

Plus anyone that has any serious working knowledge has clearly stated: Bob Lazar is a liar. He does NOT know what he is talking about. So who's word am I going to take? That of a liar or those who actually have degrees and know what they are talking about??

My way to tell if someone is a phony, is i research them and if they try to make any money of their claims thats pretty much a dead give away.
If they have nothing to gain but to inform you on something they might just be telling the truth.
You can also tell in their speech patterns if their crazy or not.

The flaw w/that in this field - some do it for the $$$ and some honestly make their claims to try to get attention in hopes of making $$$ - some never make it beyond the 15 min. of fame.

What about the ones that have been going on coast to coast for 10 years,
and still don't make any money.

How do you know they are not getting paid?
Some times becoming an "expert" - has other "benifits".

I think he's a fraud, but your right, if he is, he's damn talented at it, because he does sound quite convincing.

Oh well, if people /sound/ convincing, then they must be true.
Or, you know, actors.
Or just good liars.
Or mentally ill.

--Jaylemurph

"Bob LAZER."

Yes!

--Jaylemurph

well i saw the newspaper cliping in a video i saw, where the newspaper had an article of him demonstrating something and it said he was a los alamos pyschist, this was in the early 80s before he came out with all this stuff, no i dont have it for you to email to anybody

Lilly,

Is there anything that you believe in or are you here to debunk everything? I do not think I have read one post from you that supports some unexplained mysteries. I may be wrong but nothing you have posted I have read is in any way supported, unless its the moon landings being geniune.

You said you were over 50 and female? Are you and MID husband and wife? You guys are two peas in a pod.

You know, there are already /numerous/ Bob "Lazer" (I'm calling him that from now on) threads. USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION!
And they all flash this W-2 like it says "official secret scientist" on it.
I still think he was a janitor.

--Jaylemurph

yea yea jaylemurph, that still dosent explain why he was in the newspaper as a los alamos psycist in the early 80s, anybody with any common sense knows that the government can make you not graudate from a school that you graduated from

Perhaps, but did the government also "mind wipe" Mr. Lazar? I ask this because his knowledge of even basic physics is sorely lacking.

I'm with Jaylemurph on this one, I think Mr. Lazar was probably a janitor or a handy man.

No they can't - that is about the sillest thing I've read! (Not Graduate)

Let's see:
They would have to erase ALL teachers AND students memories of him.
They would have to recall ALL Year Books.
They would have to recall ALL Science Journals of Published Papers. (Of which he has ZERO Published Papers. This is also very seriously strange and wrong.)
.... Personal Libraries
.... Public Libraries.
................................. Right!! You do not think someone would just notice this a little bit??

Not to mention - Bob Lazar cannot even tell you when he graduated from M.I.T.!! Think about that - he doesn't remember.
In fact his GPA - from the schools he DID attend, didn't even have the required GPA to get into M.I.T. - so how in hell did he go there, when he didn't even meet the min. GPA?

I've already answered the Newspaper - they likely didn't check his "title" - so IF you get me the Newspaper I will honestly write them and ask. I bet the answer is, "NO.. they just took his word for it." That would be a pretty safe bet.

So Lazar pulled off a short term con-job, to get some attention - then when people actually did background checks on him - he FAILED them.... ALL of them.

There are only 2 pieces that can be explained very easily away, without even much effort. All that shows for his 'story' is a W2 form that is anything but 'clear' in what he did there. The ID Badge - which is clearly FAKE, because he would so be in Jail for posting an actual security badge on the net. Not to mention that there is no way in hell he could 'just walk out of Area 51 with a supposed E-115. That would be like saying, "I walked into Fort Knox and took 1 Bar of Gold." I'm sure you would believe that! Umm, maybe you would!!??

Or like my friend that sells them Light Bulbs - he might of sold them containers for storage.

To add to the others exemples as of why he's obviously a fraud: He cannot discuss basic physic.

Hence why I believe he is a fraud.

There is nothing wrong with explaining the apparently unexplained.
That way effort can be diverted to real mysteries, of which they are plenty.
Everyone seems to be arguing that he was a real resident.
All his theories are rubbish and do not work, if he s for real, why not start up with a private funding organisation and make anti grav tech, etc.
If he could put A theory into practise, he may recieve some credibility.

If Lillly and Mid are having a baby, that is gonna be one smart cookie. I want to be the child. Have you two been getting together with some of that Merlot combo I saw discussed in another thread?

Actually, there's quite a bit that I hold as verifiable (I'm an empiricist). However, there's not really all that much that I hold true via belief/faith alone. For example, I think that UFOs (some of them at least) constitute a real unexplained mystery. However, do I claim to know what UFOs are by using some type of belief system, no. BTW, I've personally witnessed a UFO (the main reason why I'm here...what's yours?).



Supports what? Do you mean supports some explanation that's based on speculation alone? If this is what you're getting at then, yeah, you're correct.



Actually, I've posted supporting explanations involving celestial phenomena, unknown animals, various science topics and of course the moon landings.



I've never even had the pleasure of meeting MID (it would be a real hoot to have a couple of beers with him and get him to talking about Apollo!). As for the "peas in the pod"...maybe it's because we're both from the "old school" of thought?

Hell, if I could have a baby it would constitute a real scientific miracle! I'm 55 and no longer even possess the anatomical part necessary for that. Besides, both MID and I have already raised our offspring.

Oh, my kids (19 and 21) are both really "smart cookies"! I'm looking forward to grandchildren someday.

Lazar is a fake, and it has been proven, so why to people still try and convince people otherwise. Some believers will believe anything, and its a shame, considering that there are many good cases out there that need investigating.

Thats funny, cause hearing him talk was what convinced me he's a fraud. A schoolkid would spot that he's making it all up as he goes along.

i never said lazar wasnt a fake i just wanted to know everybody's reasons for saying he's a fraud and i said that in my first post! and most of you have made valid points stating that his knowledge of pyshics isnt good, which i wouldnt know myself. I also find it odd myself that he went to pierce junior college then clamed to have gone to MIT and CAL-TECH.

on the flipside of that is this, i find it weird that los alamos monitor newspaper states that Lazar, "a physicist at the Los Alamos Meson Physics Facility". As far as the W-2 form, saying he was a janitor or something of that nature is cute, but i can assure you that if he was doing some job of that sort at los alamos he wouldnt have a W-2 form from the UNITED STATES NAVAL INTELLIGENCE, they would have a contract with a janitoral company or a contract with somebody else who was doing a minual job like that, therefore a guy doing janitoral work, handyman work, or a cook at the labatory wouldnt get paid by the united states naval intelligence, they'd get paid by whoever they really work for. people who clean up a police presinct dont get paid by the police department.

also about his education, its also odd that you can't even find a birth record on him, so lets not pretend like if the government felt he was talking too much they couldnt make him not exist anymore, they've done it before and thats no conspiracy. TO THE GUY WHO SAID HE HAD A FRIEND THAT DELIVERED LIGHT CLUBS TO S4, i can assure you that your friend isnt listed as a scientist at los alamos. for many years they denied lazar even worked at los alamos from 89 to 94 when serveral people who worked at los alamos said they remember lazar, why did they deny him in the first place?

But I hope you understand that the "Gov" couldn't erase all that data, from Teachers, Students and all Year Books. I mean come on. If he went here and I heard about this and that 'he never went here', I'd show my own Year Book - "see he's right here". Wouldn't be that hard to find confirmation. Not that hard at all. So this is LIE #1. They didn't erase 'his education', that is just about as desperate as he could have gotten to hide the fact that this actually didn't happen. Not that the gov took his 'life away'.

Do you know anything about Sub-Cons? I guess not. W-2 would come from who you sub-con too. There are a few companies/agencies that I work for as a sub-con. But I get W-2's because of the NDP's and such, I have to be an actual "employee' of theirs. Which is fine w/me. So yes, I could 'prove' that I 'work' here, but in all honesty - I'm still a sub-con. Also notice it doesn't say: "UNITED STATES NAVAL INTELLIGENCE - it says:

United States Department of Naval Intelligence
Washington, D.C. 20038.

then in the Box: Name of State: Nevada.




Until we filed for our son's Social Security Card - he didn't have a Birth Certificate Either. Why, the hospital screwed up and it wasn't sent in. Talk about a major frustration. Plus if he was born at home w/a mid wife or something, it could be very likely that he doesn't have one. My mother-in-law is into genealogy. When she has asked extended families for basic information, a few of that generation of them found they had no Birth Cert. You learn a lot digging into genealogy. This is not at all uncommon. My brother who is 5 years younger then me, didn't find out he didn't have a B. Certificate until his mid 40's! So ya this happens and it's no 'gov conspiracy', just sloppy paper work that does indeed happen.



See here is the problem. U R using Lazar's story as "proof text". U cannot do that.
Why, there are too many Red Flags of Lies. See once you begin to see possible lies - you then have to honestly become skeptical and look at the whole of the claims. If one or two clear lies are being seen, then you have to suspect the rest and investigate it to see. If you are going on his claims as "good" - or the author that is doing this you are not being objective. You are going down the path of BIAS... Not a good path to walk.
So you actually have to go out and do some research on your own to validate or disprove his story. Not someone that is writting a book about him to make $$ about the mystery of Robert Lazar. My friend is indeed in the directory. So they know who to call for the special light bulbs that they need. It's not just "employees" book. It's who you call when you need: (Person/Item) - contact: Name - Phone Number.

If you're going to take the word of "experts" and "authorities" then
you would have to go along with the idea that there is no validity
to any paranormal subject whatever.

If you don't think the government (or anyone else) covers up
certain paranormal issues then what are you doing on a site
like this? Lazar's statement that his history was tampered with
seems plausible to me.

Friedman is a likely disinfo source in my opinion. He worked for
many years within the military-industrial complex for corporations
like GE, Westinghouse, GM, TRW and others. It seems unlikely
to me that he could just walk away from this community and
begin speaking openly about issues that are known to be
considered top secret unless he was actually still working
in accordance with the government's agendas.

I attended 2 colleges and my picture does not appear in the year book of either one. I simply didn't show up for the yearbook photo sessions
because I didn't care to be in the yearbook. Does that mean I really didn't attend those schools?



I agree up to a point. But, everyone lies sometimes. Everyone. People also lie on resumés. That doesn't mean everything they say is a lie. If it did, then it would apply to you too because everyone lies sometimes. I think it's likely that Lazar embellished his resumé at some point. Probably to get the job at Groom Lake. If he admits that now they could prosecute him because it's a federal offense to lie on a government job application. BUt, that doesn't mean that he didn't see what he says he saw there.