This has been on before but its been awhile......This is one of my top ten MAKES YOU WONDER videos....

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6...34101&q=ufo

Great video.

nice find the14u2cee, it looks like a floating grey ball thats keeping up with an f16

That's why i think its a good one, notice the shadow as well.......

Interesting. I hadn't noticed the shadow until you pointed it out. It certainly lends some credibility to the video being real. At first I was wondering if it could be a plane in the distance, but I guess it'd be bigger (the object looks farther away before dropping into the clouds). I doubt another plane would just dip in to the clouds like that anyway.

It's hard to really say what is real in these's video's, I wish for once we had something with a little more credit......

At first i was thinking that it was a part of the plane that came of but it stays up and matches the speed of the plane to long then just decide's to dip into the cloud's...

I'm starting to doubt that will ever happen. I get caught up in UFO at times, and aliens and what not, but there never seems to be much of anything to get me to believe in an extraterrestial presence.

I know there's definitely UFO's in the sky at times, but I don't think we're any closer to understandig them then we were many thousands of years ago.

Interesting

I happen to agree but i also think we are along ways off from really knowing what these's are Lefty, I believe some of the UFO's are government plane's, But yet we can't explain everything with a top serect excuse.....

True. I've seen enough UFO clips and pictures to know it's unlikely they are all secret government projects. At the same time though, it's awfully difficult for me to jump to the conclusion there are aliens responsible for this activity. It very well could be, but I can't come to that conclusion based on what is currently out there.

I know Lefty, It does make you wonder what they are for real......I happen to think we are not alone myself, But i don't understand why they wont make contact with us if the want to keep coming here, Why hide unless they fear what we will do.....

Your exactly right, put yourself in there position,if they can sensor our TV program's, 90% of them are us killing or torturing them in many ways. If we were to find them on there Planet and TUNE in to there show's and see them mostly killing us.....i dont think i would want to make contact either.... Except to maybe Hmmmm Do it in secret?

I think it's more then that really, Think about the germ's we carry here on Earth maybe they have no way to fight these's..People are very dirty and we have a habit of killing or fighting what we don't understand, Also we can't accpet people who look different then what we think they should, How are we going to accept a whole race of creature's unlike ourselve's......

And then my other theory........What if there already here....

What if they are..They have not let us know they have landed so they must want to just be left alone, But i really don't think they are here, I do not buy into the shift shaping theory at all.....

You're right 14, this one is a classic that I remember from my chilhood. I would have to say that this is my favorite UFO video of all time. It pre-dates CGI, is reasonably clear and makes a nice manuever. Throw in the shadow cast upon the clouds that object makes and this is one hell-of-a-video!

I dont know if anyone has tried this yet but where i live its awfully dark at night, and when im not busy i go outside with a lawn chair, sit back and get comfortable and look straight up into the star's, and just about everytime time i can find a couple of those star's moving, now of course im not saying that there alien spaceships but once in a while i catch one that that's moving say....east to west then from nowhere this (dot) i call them, for no reason and on a dime, heads north or south, no turn or curve just as if you were drawing a line, stop and head the other way.....

i know some of them are plane's or satilites that i see but the one's that turn like that....Just make me wonder....

Moe wonders why these aliens never drive land vehicles.

nice find..the truths out there....

This video is from a documentary, it is showing a recreatation of the event. It is not the actual footage of the event, it is stock footage of a F-16 with the 'UFO' added in as a CGI effect.

You're kidding me! That's very disappointing, do you have a link or something that I can read a little bit more about it? I just can't believe this!!!

how do you know this?.. got any proof?...

I do know that it is from a documentary but its not cgi as far as i remember. But just in case i will do some background...

Hey antigravity, Unlimited, the14u2cee,

I don't mean to be 'coy', but since this 28 sec clip is CLEARLY from a 'Documentary' and you guys are advocating that this is the "Footage" of the real thing (UAP), then you should know what 'Documentary' it is from and advocate the film and film makers merits and sources!

I'm only pointing out that this 'Footage' is a recreation of a reported film and is not the actual film showing an actual UAP.

I thought it looked fake. The way it goes into the clouds looks cery dodgy!

The UFO dosent follow the line path it was going when it is behind the clouds, and at first it appears from nowhere after the first cloud also. Makes me wounder why they would change position while they not in the cameras view, if it is not a big coincidence. But I belive this one is faked Look when it is befind the second cloud, the UFO clearly changes possition.

Whoah now, I think your statement was much more bold than anything we said. I just said that I liked the clip, you said that it was fake (cgi'd), and we were just asking where you heard that. I did a yahoo search myself didn't find anything, maybe you recall a website or something.

It's from a Documentary about UFOs, and is a recreation not actual footage.

I guess I have do all the Homework here for everybody, so here goes. The Documentary is called "The Secret KGB UFO Files". It aired on TNT Sept. 13, 1999, and is Hosted by Roger Moore.

Fate Magazine wrote an article about this 'dubious' Documentary in Jan. 1999, that details how the majority of the Documentary was 'Hoaxed' including that no-one has been able to verify the 'Footage' as being actual declassified footage from the Minstry of Defense and the article 'challenges' TNT to provide documentation to verify the footage, of course that never happened.

http://www.zamandayolculuk.com/cetinbal/kgbufosearch.htm

nice one lost shamen. It looks fake anyway.

Do Russians even fly F-16s? I thought that was an american plane. Russians have MIGs or something like that.

Good point; I'd assumed the caption was in error because, as you point out, Russians have their own airplanes. If this was actually presented as a 'Russian F-16' (I didn't listen to the sound track) then it was nonsense from the start.

It doesn't look like the same footage to me, you can clearly make out a saucer shape on there picture, the video i put up look's nothing like the caption of the picture they have.......or am i missing something? I looked for the documentary but could not find it..
I think you found the wrong one....Also, im not a plane expert but the video i put up and the picture they have on there page the plane's are clearly diffrent

Here is an mig-25.... here is a F-16...

"And then my other theory........What if there already here.... "
How did you find out, o earthling?

LOL
...just a thought.....

Here's another one....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7ANCjDRduSM

What your missing is the fact that there are multiple "clips" shown on the Documentary and the ones shown just happen to be two that are not the exact 'clip' you posted.



Did you look at the FATE magazine, Jan. 1999 edition that had the article about the 'Documentary' that aired on TNT?



Of course they are different because you are looking at two different 'screen shots' of two different 'clips' that appear in the 90 minute 'Documentary'.

I read the article but its still just them saying its possible its fake,( Which everyone that posts on UM knows very well how the skeptics and nonbeliever's are). The caption of the picture they have is cleary different from the clip i added but the multible picture/clips is dooly noted...

I must say though, looking at the author of the report he does have some credibility behind him as a UFO investigator, If he is talking about the same video clip then i must think a little bit harder on deciding rather to believe that it was the real thing....

http://www.ufoevidence.org/researchers/detail59.htm

J. Antonio Huneeus

That's all well and good Shaman, but where in the article does it call into suspect 14u2cee's video? The article clearly states that the videos in which they had their suspitions were the KGB video (everyone knows that's fake) and MIG gunmen video which seemed to have surfaced out the woodwork. I can tell you for a fact that 14u2cee's posted video has been around for ages, I remember it from my childhood.

Every UFO show is bound to feature at least a few clips that are fake.I guess your philosophy is that a couple bad apples spoil the whole bunch. Why don't you just admit that you don't really know for a fact that 14u2cee's video has been debunked. You'll feel much better for it.

I have tried to find the correct documentary that he was speaking of but i do not see the exact clip, I believe i stated that this clip is one that make's me wonder, it look's like no CGI or special effects to me...

Come on... it's right here.

"As for the MIG gun-camera footage, I was initially enthusiastic. The script indicated it was duly declassified footage from the Ministry of Defense. But in view of the show's lack of honesty, its authenticity must be questioned. Again, no researchers in Russia or elsewhere ever heard of this footage prior to the TNT broadcast. Declassification procedures in the U.S. and Russia are always accompanied by copious correspondence. It's fairly simple to show official evidence of declassified documents or material. I challenge the producers to put it on their website if they have it. Until they do, the gun-camera footage must also be considered dubious."






Well that's truely amazing considering NO-ONE else has ever seen or heard of it before the Sept. 13, 1999 airing on TNT!




That's not 'my philosophy', my philosophy is that Bunk Bogus Fake Hoaxes should be exposed for what they are and actuall footage, reports, pictures of UAP should be pointed out.





What do you mean admit I don't know for a fact that the video hasn't been debunked? I'm telling you right now that the video is bunk. It's stock footage with a really cheap and cheesy CGI 'UFO' added in.

Here Jim Oberg points out that another clip from the same program is actually stock footage of a NASA SRB rocket re-qualification test from 1987-8, that the show represented as 'Secret Russian Rocket tests'!

"Except -- one sequence of scenes purporting to be "Declassified Soviet top secret footage" of their rocket tests, which actually showed NASA Space Shuttle SRB re-qualification test footage from 1987-8 (you can see the SRB in its horizontal test position during the test firing). This misrepresentation seemed typical of the rest of the show,"

http://www.csicop.org/cmi/reviews/TNT-KGB.html

Yep, too bad that original posted video is not the MIG gunman video or else you'd have yourself a half-way decent case. If you observe the very article that you submitted, the pictures from the MIG gun-camera clip show a completely different UFO (and quite fake looking) as compared to the video that we are discussing in this topic. Again, you're getting these two videos confused with each other.




wrong again Shaman, they were refering to the MIG-gun camera video which suspiciously surfaced at around the time of the production of this documentary. The topic video has at least been around since the early eighties if not earlier.




You haven't shown anything concrete that debunks the video we are discussing. All your article says is that KGB and MIG video are most likely fakes and I agree whole-heartedly. It does not say that every UFO video featured on this documentary is fake, that the conclusion that you've jump to.




That's your opinion, you've still yet to show us anything that backs up your claims of CGI related to this video. The two other videos, yes, but not this video.

No I'm not confusing anything. I've already explained to the OP that the two clips are NOT one and the same, both appear in the SAME Documentary.






No it has NOT. The 'MIG gun-camera' footage is being refered to collectively as the three or four clips that were shown in the Documentary which are allegedly 'Declassified' from the Ministry of Defence.

Have you ever seen gun-camera footage? Not one of the clips in the 'HOAXumentary' even show gun-camera footage they show STOCK FOOTAGE that are not from the gun-cameras! They are Bunk.

Here is the other clip posted on youtube from the same 'HOAXumentary'.

http://video.google.com/url?docid=-4468185...R9_J37_m7bom8EQ

Note its still Roger Moore Talking and he clear states "This final piece of footage..." that is because the 'HOAXumentary' showed multiple clips that were collectively being refered to as the 'declassified MIG gun-camera footage'.

First let me start off by saying i have no clue if the video clip i posted is real or not.....My opinion, Which i must say is worth a nickel(LOL) is that the clip i posted look's like it has NOT been altered in anyway, and it look's like a real object* note i said OBJECT* not alien ufo because i have no idea of what it actually is......
Second, im only disbuting the fact that the picture's of the clips on the page you put up to disprove or debunk the video are not the same.

The caption on the video should say (UFO caught on KGB film from MIG filming an F-16 )

Here's a little bit more i found of the clip but a little longer with some other stuff but its in french and i dont understand french..And i must add this is not Roger Moore...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ySdX3eEeOA

The one i posted is on here and the one that look's fake were you can make out a disc shaped UFO is on here as well.. They try to zoom in on the F-16 and the object next to it but its still just an object..

Again is it real? And here is one for lost_shaman, im sure you will find this clip amusing.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkK5mx33Kmg

I never said that the screenshot on the link is showing this exact clip. What I said was that this clip is from the video 'The Secret KGB UFO Files' hosted by Roger Moore.

Here is a link to The Secret KGB UFO Files on you tube that includes this clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JgnwXuUh4...ted&search=

The Video is broken into parts , here is the next part that continues with this clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhVvHyGd_B0...ted&search=

I agree its in the video, I just dont agree that it has been inhanced nor been played with by photoshop or CGI. Now the other two i dont believe look genuine at all, but the clip i posted make's me wonder, and i dont know if i stated before or not but i have my doubts about 99.9% of the video's on any of these site's but.......there are a few like this one that i cant explain away as easily as yourself or other's can by stating that there fake or munipulated by computers or any other type of human interferrence.
Remember my opinion is worth about a nickel.....

Here is a side by side comparison from the two clips from 'The Secret KGB UFO Files' that IMO show the same CHEAP CGI 'UFO' effect. In fact it looks like it was done using MS Paint!




I've seen a very similar CHEAP CGI effect used before, in another UFO Documentary about "Secret NAZI UFOs"! It too looked like it was done with MS Paint!

Here you can clearly see the tactic of these Psuedo-Documentaries, they have taken a piece of Stock Footage and added in an Uber-Cheesy CHEAP looking CGI 'UFO'.



http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6...the+third+reich

Thanks for the side by side, i still have my doubts but im always Happy to agree to disagree

Looks like a dark triangle craft.

See more in my first signature link, all triangles, mostly daytime and flaring in hover.
My signature link to youtube has videos of the triangle craft flaring in hover in daytime sky.

Another page has all dark ones in hover in daytime.
Another page has two suspended in a daytime sky.

http://airlinemusic.mysite.com/triangle/index.html

This is from a video called "The Secret KGB UFO Files " and the camera is in a Mig 25 and was intercepted by the f-16. google search the title and by it from Amazon and see the whole thing for yourselves like I have its a good video. Imho I think its really there but what it is I have no Idea or proof its from here or somewhere else.